Granger needs to face the COI and come clean
Granger needs to face the COI and come clean
He should say...when Gajrag comes back and explain himself. Hopefully, the US grab his ass before that for crimes against humanity!
Special Report of the Walter Rodney Commission of Inquiry by Shaun Michael Samaroo : Granger was Army Liaison to GPF in Gregory Smith probe : – Says former Army Chief-of-Staff McLean
June 5, 2014
EX-ARMY Chief, Major General Norman McLean, yesterday named Brigadier David Granger as an Army Officer in liaison with the Guyana Police Force (GPF) when the police investigated former Army Sergeant Gregory Smith as a suspect in the bomb-blast assassination of world-renowned Guyanese scholar, Dr Walter Rodney.
Denying he personally was involved in the investigation against Smith, or that he took any responsibility to look into the matter of a soldier under his command allegedly involved in murder, during his testimony, McLean named Granger as one of the Army’s pointsmen in sharing Army information about Smith to the investigators.
What dark conspiracy lurked below the surface at the Guyana Defence Force when the world-renowned Guyanese scholar was assassinated?
That’s the question now confronting the Commission as the inquiry unfolds at the High Court building in Georgetown, with the Army’s role now dominating the probe.
The ex-Army Chief, responding to a question from Counsel Andrew Pilgrim, said “Yes, it’s possible” that a conspiracy happened within the Army without his (McLean) knowing about it, despite holding the post of Chief-of-Staff. Pilgrim asked McLean if such a conspiracy could happen among officers lower in rank, unknown to him, and he said “Yes, it’s possible,” noting that “rogue elements” existed in the ranks of the GDF.
Earlier in the day, Commission Chairman Sir Richard Cheltenham had to prompt McLean several times to answer questions, as McLean seemed reluctant to answer, or to verbally engage Counsel.
Emotions flared across the floor yesterday as the ex-Army Chief took to the witness box to testify, and got into a heated verbal exchange with Counsel Pilgrim, who is representing Dr Rodney’s widow, Patricia Rodney and the three Rodney children.
McLean repeated throughout his testimony, which lasted all day and was adjourned to an undetermined date, that he lacks knowledge or awareness of much of the information Counsel was seeking answers to from him.
To several of the questions, McLean said he did not know, was not aware, or could not remember. At other times he nodded his head or shook it from side to side, a grave expression on his face, and Commission Chairman Sir Cheltenham asked him a number of times to verbally answer the questions instead of responding non-verbally.
McLean got into a more verbal mood as the day pushed on, the room packed with Guyanese steeped in the history of Guyana, including former Army officers, senior media personnel, top Members of Parliament, including Opposition MP Moses Nagamootoo, and senior members of the Working People’s Alliance (WPA).
McLean warmed to the task of testifying, and even generated some laughter among the audience, as he joked and smiled at times. But he also faced questions with pensive, tense expressions on his face, with Commission Chairman Sir Cheltenham at one point noting that when Counsel posed certain questions, McLean would appear “to be not with us.” McLean appeared not to be interested in listening.
It took Counsel Pilgrim’s sharp, incisive questioning to rattle his cool, and to get him to answer questions with lengthy sentences.
McLean became particularly loquacious when Counsel asked him if he knew former Army Pilot, Gerry Gouveia may have been the pilot of an Army plane that flew ex-Army Sergeant Gregory Smith to the hinterland.
Witnesses have testified before the Commission that Army Sergeant Smith was involved in the bomb-blast assassination of Dr Rodney on June 13, 1980 in Georgetown, when a communications device exploded in the lap of the opposition political leader.
McLean denied knowing Smith, and said he heard of him being a soldier, but “he had deserted” the Army.
McLean indicated that he had very little interest in Smith, and did not particularly pursue the desertion case, despite Smith having had special overseas Army training.
Counsel Pilgrim’s peppery questions saw McLean become animated and heated in his exchanges. At one point, both Counsel and McLean resorted to raising their voices to angry pitch, to the point where Pilgrim addressed McLean as “Major”, and McLean, face red and body taut, pointed a wagging finger at Pilgrim, seated a few feet to his left outside the witness box at a table, and informed him “It’s Major General; I earned it!” Pilgrim duly apologised for the mishap.
Pilgrim, noting that McLean was responding that he did not know or was not aware of a lot of the information Counsel asked him, put it to him that he was outside the loop of a conspiracy in the Army, and asked if this was possible. “Yes, it’s possible,” McLean said, noting that the Army could harbour “rogue elements”.
McLean said he knew Gouveia well, and “mentored” him, but never knew about that particular plane trip at the time it took place. Questions from Counsel gleaned the information to the Commission, from McLean, that Gouveia told him in a private conversation “last week that he (Gouveia) had flown the plane.” McLean said he was not interested in hearing anything more, as “If he didn’t tell me that 34 years ago, why would I want to know about it now?”
Counsel Pilgrim indicated that Gouveia may testify to the Commission.
Counsel Selwyn Pieters intervened with an aggressive objection, noting that key documents should have been secured for the Commission’s task. A Canadian lawyer representing the local trade union movement at the Commission of Inquiry, Pieters, speaking in a tone that offended the Commission Chairman, who noted that Pieters seemed to want to “lecture” the Commissioners, asked the Commission to secure relevant supporting documents from the Army and Guyana Police Force to back up the claims of Counsel in questions they pose to the witness.
After several heated exchanges, Counsel for the Commission said efforts would be made to secure the documents from the Secretary of the Defence Board.
McLean was excused from the witness stand until such time as cross-examination into his testimony could be continued.
The Commission is scheduled to conclude its second sitting today, and resume later this month.
McLean denied any knowledge of the Guyana Defence Force Account Form that was tendered into evidence during the testimony of Joseph Hamilton that showed an Army Officer had handed over a number of guns and ammunition to the House of Israel religious sect. He denied any knowledge of either the handing over of the guns, or of the signatures on the form, but said that the guns and ammunition listed were standard Army weapons.
Pilgrim is to resume his cross-examination of McLean when the ex-Army boss takes the stand again, with interest high surrounding further questions about Granger’s role in the Army during the time Rodney was assassinated.
The Government of Guyana convened the Commission of Inquiry in answer to an international outcry, going on for 38 years, for a probe into the singular major political assassination in the history of the English-speaking Caribbean. Dr Rodney, a world-renowned scholar, died when a communications device exploded in his lap in Georgetown on June 13, 1980.
The Commission resumes today for the final day of its second sitting.
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‘Pilgrim, noting that McLean was responding that he did not know or was not aware of a lot of the information Counsel asked him, put to him that he was outside the loop of a conspiracy in the Army, and asked if this was possible. ‘Yes, it’s possible,’ McLean said, noting that the Army could harbour ‘rogue elements’
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What dark conspiracy lurked below the surface at the Guyana Defence Force when the world-renowned Guyanese scholar was assassinated? That’s the question now confronting the Commission as the inquiry unfolds at the High Court building in Georgetown, with the Army’s role now dominating the probe.
excerpts from the Guyana Chronicle
This statement from Granja former boss really concerns me.
Did Granja do any cover up on the Rodney thing?
Did Granja do any cover up on the Rodney thing?
didn't i already embarrass you (and kari) over dis antiman nonsense
wuh now, just because alyuh hide thick means that after 4-5 days it's OK for u to come back fuh mo licks wid the EXACT SAME shyte?
smh
Granger needs to face the COI and come clean
He should say...when Gajrag comes back and explain himself. Hopefully, the US grab his ass before that for crimes against humanity!
I agree we should have a Commission of Enquiry over the Roja Kahan period and let us get Gajraj on the stand.
But that does not liquidate the facts coming out on what the PNC did in the Rodney era including roles played by Mr. David Granger.
I wish if Mr. Granger can use the immunity offered by the Commission to clear his name.
Failure to clear his name will have longer term political ramification for his candidacy and for the PNC / APNU as whole.
Granger needs to face the COI and come clean
He should say...when Gajrag comes back and explain himself. Hopefully, the US grab his ass before that for crimes against humanity!
I agree we should have a Commission of Enquiry over the Roja Kahan period and let us get Gajraj on the stand.
But that does not liquidate the facts coming out on what the PNC did in the Rodney era including roles played by Mr. David Granger.
I wish if Mr. Granger can use the immunity offered by the Commission to clear his name.
Failure to clear his name will have longer term political ramification for his candidacy and for the PNC / APNU as whole.
Hey Hey Hey. Yu playin double role bai. Hey Hey Hey...
Granger needs to face the COI and come clean
He should say...when Gajrag comes back and explain himself. Hopefully, the US grab his ass before that for crimes against humanity!
I agree we should have a Commission of Enquiry over the Roja Kahan period and let us get Gajraj on the stand.
But that does not liquidate the facts coming out on what the PNC did in the Rodney era including roles played by Mr. David Granger.
I wish if Mr. Granger can use the immunity offered by the Commission to clear his name.
Failure to clear his name will have longer term political ramification for his candidacy and for the PNC / APNU as whole.
Hey Hey Hey. Yu playin double role bai. Hey Hey Hey...
@ Freedom House it's called "de smartness"
Granja was a big one in 1979. He was No. 2 in the army that belonged to Burnham and the PNC.
Granja was lead Military Liason to Burnhum, from PNC Part 1.
PNC Part 1 = PNC Part 2 = rigged election, mass corruption = unfit politicians.
Now they get this Yard fowl Tyrone Kemraj who ready to suck egg from even Granja BT.
how so very 'rev' of u . . . double down deh pan de ignar racism bai
we ah watch alyuh
TK do not let Rev know yuh Business like that.
Besides that Rev is a lie man too
He is a good Candidate for the PNC.
A Couple year ago ...
Rev claim Moses Driving a New Bentley in Guyana
Up to today Rev cant produce
the Picture of Moses and the Jumbie Bentley...
Yuh should try and get a PNC Card for Rev.
TK do not let Rev know yuh Business like that . . .
while runnin fuh he life, rev had a habit of waging 'aggressive war' against "TK" . . . juss like u
a stunt akin to pullin up yuh bukta and (simultaneously) backpedaling furiously
talk to abee some mo bout "tyrone" . . . we ah watch alyuh
Granger needs to face the COI and come clean
He should say...when Gajrag comes back and explain himself. Hopefully, the US grab his ass before that for crimes against humanity!
I agree we should have a Commission of Enquiry over the Roja Kahan period and let us get Gajraj on the stand.
But that does not liquidate the facts coming out on what the PNC did in the Rodney era including roles played by Mr. David Granger.
I wish if Mr. Granger can use the immunity offered by the Commission to clear his name.
Failure to clear his name will have longer term political ramification for his candidacy and for the PNC / APNU as whole.
And the truth of the PNC involvement with the Buxton/Agricola terrorists gangs who brought so much carnage to the mostly Indian population. Gajraj, the great national hero, did the correct thing in saving the nation from more calamity.
These gangs killed so many, then turned on themselves and threaten innocent people caught in their cross-fire.
Granja was lead Military Liason to Burnhum, from PNC Part 1.
PNC Part 1 = PNC Part 2 = rigged election, mass corruption = unfit politicians.
Now they get this Yard fowl Tyrone Kemraj who ready to suck egg from even Granja BT.
Isn't that telling from a wannabe minister! Is this the standards people need to get themselves accustomed to! That would be a new low, even for the worse of either the PPP or PNC.
Granja was lead Military Liason to Burnhum, from PNC Part 1.
PNC Part 1 = PNC Part 2 = rigged election, mass corruption = unfit politicians.
Now they get this Yard fowl Tyrone Kemraj who ready to suck egg from even Granja BT.
Isn't that telling from a wannabe minister! Is this the standards people need to get themselves accustomed to! That would be a new low, even for the worse of either the PPP or PNC.
What about if we mek TK a Bishop lile Edgehill .....or a Robbeye like House of Israel Rabbai Washington.....
The PNC can do that right away...... and mek TK a minister overnite,
Granja was lead Military Liason to Burnhum, from PNC Part 1.
PNC Part 1 = PNC Part 2 = rigged election, mass corruption = unfit politicians.
Now they get this Yard fowl Tyrone Kemraj who ready to suck egg from even Granja BT.
Isn't that telling from a wannabe minister! Is this the standards people need to get themselves accustomed to! That would be a new low, even for the worse of either the PPP or PNC.
What about if we mek TK a Bishop lile Edgehill .....or a Robbeye like House of Israel Rabbai Washington.....
The PNC can do that right away...... and mek TK a minister overnite,
I was not commenting on the merits of anyone dancing with the PNC or PPP, just on the language used.
Granja was lead Military Liason to Burnhum, from PNC Part 1.
PNC Part 1 = PNC Part 2 = rigged election, mass corruption = unfit politicians.
Now they get this Yard fowl Tyrone Kemraj who ready to suck egg from even Granja BT.
Isn't that telling from a wannabe minister! Is this the standards people need to get themselves accustomed to! That would be a new low, even for the worse of either the PPP or PNC.
Boy to really have to bring yuh evidence and come again, Me nah want be no Minister, me nah want nothing from no PNC, no AFC, no PPP.
I do not intend to go to any country that clean its own garbage or its crime.
You really trying to mix me up with someone else, keep trying.
I have my address on GNI, My email address is kishanbacchus@gmail.com, email me on your time and date and I will be there, try visiting and I will Buy you a drink and put the deamon you have in your head at peace.
When you done I will box you rass fuh lying on me, you weasel Baseman.
Only a weak wannabe like TK needs 5 handles to post one message.
Me and me alone can do my job.
Granja was lead Military Liason to Burnhum, from PNC Part 1.
PNC Part 1 = PNC Part 2 = rigged election, mass corruption = unfit politicians.
Now they get this Yard fowl Tyrone Kemraj who ready to suck egg from even Granja BT.
Isn't that telling from a wannabe minister! Is this the standards people need to get themselves accustomed to! That would be a new low, even for the worse of either the PPP or PNC.
Boy to really have to bring yuh evidence and come again, Me nah want be no Minister, me nah want nothing from no PNC, no AFC, no PPP.
I do not intend to go to any country that clean its own garbage or its crime.
You really trying to mix me up with someone else, keep trying.
I have my address on GNI, My email address is kishanbacchus@gmail.com, email me on your time and date and I will be there, try visiting and I will Buy you a drink and put the deamon you have in your head at peace.
When you done I will box you rass fuh lying on me, you weasel Baseman.
Only a weak wannabe like TK needs 5 handles to post one message.
Me and me alone can do my job.
Mr Sasenarine Singh at it again.
", those who forgets the pass are condemned to repeat it....
Obviously you forgot the past as you are repeating it, and with the same characters too!
And the truth of the PNC involvement with the Buxton/Agricola terrorists gangs
And yet people involved in these massacres are walking free, and there was never any investigation about who in the p0olice force was leaking info to the criminals in Buxton.
You all amaze while you put your heads into the same PPP lion which will gladly chomp it off.
Granger needs to face the COI and come clean
i am sorry granger did not put some bullets in your ass,then we will not be reading this shit
more information come out today that granger connected to the incident.
when the ppp done with graja not even afro guyanese will turn out and vote for him.
. . . when the ppp done with graja not even afro guyanese will turn out and vote for him.
look how dis panty-wearing, 2-head punk racist feel privileged to talk down to black people
Oops first client for the day is here, we got to go on the boat now.
Later fellow. Just remember, Granja is a FRAUD, political fraud.
Sentence of the day, REJECT THE PNC.
[www.inewsguyana.com]– Longstanding Aviation professional, Captain Gerald Gouveia will take the stand at the ongoing Walter Rodney Commission of Inquiry today (Thursday, June 25).
Gouveia has been accused of flying a military aircraft with Former Guyana Defence Force Member Gregory Smith to Kwakwani shortly after the Friday, June 13, 1980 death of Dr. Walter Rodney.
Smith is accused of giving Rodney a ‘walkie talkie’ which subsequently exploded, killing him.
According to Chairman of the Commission Sir Richard Cheltenham, the Commission has made a commitment to hear from Gouveia today, which it will not depart from.
Former Army Chief Norman Mclean had recently denied knowing that Gouviea, who is now the Chief Executive Officer of Roriama Airways, had made that alleged trip to Kwakwani.
He said he only learnt of that a few weeks ago during a conversation with Gouveia, who had told him them that he was to appear at before the Commission to answer to the allegations.
“I learnt of that for the first time six weeks ago during a conversation with Gerry Gouveia who told me that he had been asked to come and testify about flying that aircraft,” Mclean said then.
He claimed he did not seek to find out whether the allegations were true or not.
“If he didn’t tell me for 34 years, I don’t want to know now.”
It is not clear whether he has been subpoenaed or is coming on his own free will to testify.
The COI among other things will inquire who or what was responsible for the explosion that led to Rodney’s death, whether it was an accident or an act of terrorism and the role of some persons and agencies, if any, in his death.