The problem is that Granger in power now, all this focus on Jagdeo is just slop can crew distraction strategy from the piss poor job pnc is doing running the country into the ground. 

tit for tat continues with the expats on GNI

What has Grainjah done since becoming the strong man? 50% raises, sport up, watching Guyana spiraling down, institute and extreme policy of racism and marginalization against the coolies?

Drugb posted:

The problem is that Granger in power now, all this focus on Jagdeo is just slop can crew distraction strategy from the piss poor job pnc is doing running the country into the ground. 

And jagdeo wants to be in power and you trying to stop debate on what a loser he is will be your attempt to not discuss his sordid record.

skeldon_man posted:

What has Grainjah done since becoming the strong man? 50% raises, sport up, watching Guyana spiraling down, institute and extreme policy of racism and marginalization against the coolies?

True. What did Jagdeo do?  Give himself a huge pension, keep Burnham's dictatorial constitution, rampant victimization of blacks, Guyana descend into the worst income inequality that it has ever seen, engage in the most sordid corrupt, condone the use of para militias run by druglords, and encourage extra judicial killings rather than advocating for a reform of the criminal justice system.

It really doesn't look as if either party can hold themselves to be better than the other.

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

The problem is that Granger in power now, all this focus on Jagdeo is just slop can crew distraction strategy from the piss poor job pnc is doing running the country into the ground. 

And jagdeo wants to be in power and you trying to stop debate on what a loser he is will be your attempt to not discuss his sordid record.

That's 3 years from now, currently Granger is accountable. The focus should be on him and his accomplishments, not a has been like Jagdeo.

It is obvious that you pnc supporters are using Jagdeo to distract from the performance of the PNC crooks in office. 

Drugb posted:

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That's 3 years from now, currently Granger is accountable. The focus should be on him and his accomplishments, not a has been like Jagdeo.

It is obvious that you pnc supporters are using Jagdeo to distract from the performance of the PNC crooks in office. 

Let me give you a civics lesson. As Leader of the Opposition and as an MP Jagdeo is as much part of the governance of Guyana as is Granger. When last I checked Guyana at least went through the pretense of being a democracy and I have yet to see that any one is attempting to prevent Jagdeo from running his mouth.

So yes Jagdeo's record is just as relevant as is Grangers' and BOTH should be held up for scrutiny.

caribny posted:

Let me give you a civics lesson. As Leader of the Opposition and as an MP Jagdeo is as much part of the governance of Guyana as is Granger. When last I checked Guyana at least went through the pretense of being a democracy and I have yet to see that any one is attempting to prevent Jagdeo from running his mouth.

So yes Jagdeo's record is just as relevant as is Grangers' and BOTH should be held up for scrutiny.

Nonsense, Jagdeo has not been in power since 2011. You folks are using him as an excuse for Granger's incompetency. Granger and the PNC has all the power with the majority in parliament. The PPP and Jagdeo are in effect toothless in any impact they can have in parliament as it pertains to passing laws, budget etc. So shut your lying trap. 

To dumb coolies Jagdeo is still in power...he is their God.

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Let me give you a civics lesson. As Leader of the Opposition and as an MP Jagdeo is as much part of the governance of Guyana as is Granger. When last I checked Guyana at least went through the pretense of being a democracy and I have yet to see that any one is attempting to prevent Jagdeo from running his mouth.

So yes Jagdeo's record is just as relevant as is Grangers' and BOTH should be held up for scrutiny.

Nonsense, Jagdeo has not been in power since 2011..

We can debate as to whether he was in power between 2011 and 2015 and the ease that Ramotar was dumped after he lost the 2015 election suggests to all HONEST people that he in fact was in charge. Even in the 2015 election, where he was NOT the presidential candidate, his voice was so loud that one can be forgiven for thinking that he was.

Jagdeo is part of the governance structure and is very loud and vocal with his screams of "black man a starve ahbe".  And he is vigorously preparing in the background to be president again in 2020. The recent tour being part of this.

Now I know that he embarrasses you as you cannot defend him but this is the reality. Jagdeo remains a vital part of Guyanese politics and therefore should be held to the SAME scrutiny that we hold Harmon up to (he being the de facto head of the coalition government).

cain posted:

To dumb coolies Jagdeo is still in power...he is their God.

Are you a dumb collie? Cause apparently you believe he is still in power.  Now I once again caution you about using this derogatory word to describe our people.  You don't have the right to do so. 

caribny posted:

We can debate as to whether he was in power between 2011 and 2015 and the ease that Ramotar was dumped after he lost the 2015 election suggests to all HONEST people that he in fact was in charge. Even in the 2015 election, where he was NOT the presidential candidate, his voice was so loud that one can be forgiven for thinking that he was.

Jagdeo is part of the governance structure and is very loud and vocal with his screams of "black man a starve ahbe".  And he is vigorously preparing in the background to be president again in 2020. The recent tour being part of this.

Now I know that he embarrasses you as you cannot defend him but this is the reality. Jagdeo remains a vital part of Guyanese politics and therefore should be held to the SAME scrutiny that we hold Harmon up to (he being the de facto head of the coalition government).

 

Meanwhile this thread is evidence of the distraction of focus from Granger to Jagdeo. Tell us exactly what Granger is doing to fix the issues that now face Guyana. Why is he not showing leadership in solving economic, social and criminal matters? Of course you can't argue that this is Jagdeo's job. 

Drugb posted:

cain posted:

To dumb coolies Jagdeo is still in power...he is their God.

Are you a dumb collie? .

Jagdeo destroyed Guysuco and instead of blaming him for that they run to him every time he opens his mouth and engages in some cuss down rant.

They should be asking him why did he destroy Guysuco, making it easy for the PNC to shut it down in revenge for what the PPP did to Guymine.  No. They genuflect, kiss his toes, get high from fumes that they ingest from carrying his slop.

And like you they rush to his defense by not wanting to discuss his record, out of fear of what such a discussion would reveal that he is no different from Harmon.

caribny posted:

Jagdeo destroyed Guysuco and instead of blaming him for that they run to him every time he opens his mouth and engages in some cuss down rant.

They should be asking him why did he destroy Guysuco, making it easy for the PNC to shut it down in revenge for what the PPP did to Guymine.  No. They genuflect, kiss his toes, get high from fumes that they ingest from carrying his slop.

And like you they rush to his defense by not wanting to discuss his record, out of fear of what such a discussion would reveal that he is no different from Harmon.

Nonsense, sugar production was never viable after the removal of EU subsidies. There was no destroying of Guysuco as it was never a viable business after EU subsidies were lost. Jagdeo wasted money on Skeldon on advice from Booker Tate. But it was not his decision, a decision made by the PPP majority in parliament. This is what happens when govt try to run business. 

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Jagdeo destroyed Guysuco and instead of blaming him for that they run to him every time he opens his mouth and engages in some cuss down rant.

They should be asking him why did he destroy Guysuco, making it easy for the PNC to shut it down in revenge for what the PPP did to Guymine.  No. They genuflect, kiss his toes, get high from fumes that they ingest from carrying his slop.

And like you they rush to his defense by not wanting to discuss his record, out of fear of what such a discussion would reveal that he is no different from Harmon.

Nonsense, sugar production was never viable after the removal of EU subsidies. There was no destroying of Guysuco as it was never a viable business after EU subsidies were lost. Jagdeo wasted money on Skeldon on advice from Booker Tate. But it was not his decision, a decision made by the PPP majority in parliament. This is what happens when govt try to run business. 

The Skeldon Factory was the brainchild of Jagdeo, not Booker Tate. This was revealed in the COI into the Sugar Industry. Booker Tate advised him to fire the Chinese contractor but he didn't listen because the kickbacks in his pocket were big from the Chinese. The factory would have been working a lot better today if they had hired experienced contractors from Brazil or India. Companies who knew how to build sugar factories. Instead we are saddled with this US $200 million goadie that is probably worth more as scrap iron than as a sugar factory.

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...ed-guysuco-woes-coi/

Drugb,is like Bibiski never get it right defending BJ,they concoct too many nancy stories.

Mars posted:

The Skeldon Factory was the brainchild of Jagdeo, not Booker Tate. This was revealed in the COI into the Sugar Industry. Booker Tate advised him to fire the Chinese contractor but he didn't listen because the kickbacks in his pocket were big from the Chinese. The factory would have been working a lot better today if they had hired experienced contractors from Brazil or India. Companies who knew how to build sugar factories. Instead we are saddled with this US $200 million goadie that is probably worth more as scrap iron than as a sugar factory.

 

We have to excuse you slop can boys who like to rewrite history. Even on their website Booker Tate takes pride in stating their role with Skeldon factory.

http://www.booker-tate.co.uk/p...odernisation-guyana/

GUYANA

Skeldon Sugar Modernisation

Background

The Guyana Sugar Corporation (GuySuCo) approached Booker Tate in 2000 to assist them in developing their sugar industry with the intention of increasing sugar production, lowering operating costs and thereby improving profitability. Booker Tate carried out a viability and expansion study which recommended developing sugar production in the east of the country where agricultural conditions were more favourable than in the west. This resulted in GuySuCo deciding to construct a new cane sugar factory at the Skeldon Sugar Estate, in the Berbice region of Guyana and the Skeldon Sugar Modernisation Project was realised.

Project Scope

The overall scope of the project included the construction of an 8 400 tonne cane/day sugar factory as well as the development of around 5 000 ha of surrounding land to provide a consistent supply of high quality cane.

Technical

One of Booker Tate’s roles as the Client’s Representative was to provide a comprehensive and detailed factory specification which incorporated latest designs and technologies. The overall factory design was undertaken by a Chinese design institute and approved by Booker Tate.

Factory equipment was sourced from suppliers worldwide, including China, United Kingdom, South Africa, Sweden, USA and France.

The factory has the capacity to crush 1.5 million tonnes of cane and produce around 150 000 tonnes of VHP sugar. Included in the factory design is a cogeneration plant which allows the factory to generate 10 MW of electricity into the national grid, and provide a much needed stable power supply for the region.

Booker Tate’s role included the monitoring of construction progress and ensuring quality standards of workmanship were maintained.

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• 2000 GuySuCo approached Booker Tate for assistance with sugar industry development Booker Tate carries out viability and expansion study
• 2005 GuySuCo begins construction of a new cane sugarfactory and cogeneration plant at Skeldon Sugar Estate
• 2007 Skeldon Sugar Modernsation Project nears completion
• 2008 Factory was commissioned

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The design of the factory is not the contractor. Design is done by an architectural firm, Dum Dum.

"The government ignored advice from the company’s manager, Booker Tate to fire controversial Chinese contractor, CNTIC, according to the report of the Commission of Inquiry (CoI) into the industry."

Mars posted:

The design of the factory is not the contractor. Design is done by an architectural firm, Dum Dum.

 

"The government ignored advice from the company’s manager, Booker Tate to fire controversial Chinese contractor, CNTIC, according to the report of the Commission of Inquiry (CoI) into the industry."

Yuh rass running fuh cover now, you claimed that skeldon was Jagdeo brain child. Where is the evidence of this? Booker tate was the ones who recommended it after they were approached by the GOG.

Drugb posted:

Mars posted:

The design of the factory is not the contractor. Design is done by an architectural firm, Dum Dum.

 

"The government ignored advice from the company’s manager, Booker Tate to fire controversial Chinese contractor, CNTIC, according to the report of the Commission of Inquiry (CoI) into the industry."

Yuh rass running fuh cover now, you claimed that skeldon was Jagdeo brain child. Where is the evidence of this? Booker tate was the ones who recommended it after they were approached by the GOG.

Skeldon was Jagdeo's pet project Clown. He approached Booker Tate for help in expanding the sugar industry, not the opposite. The final decision was in Jagdeo's lap and he selected the Chinese contractor contrary to Booker Tate's advice. Even your own "evidence" that you posted shows who made the decision to build the Skeldon Goadie. You so dumb, you don't even understand what you posted.

Go read again and understand this time. The decision to build Skeldon was Guysuco's (under instructions from the brainchild, Jagdeo), not Booker Tate.

"The Guyana Sugar Corporation (GuySuCo) approached Booker Tate in 2000 to assist them in developing their sugar industry with the intention of increasing sugar production, lowering operating costs and thereby improving profitability."

"This resulted in GuySuCo deciding to construct a new cane sugar factory at the Skeldon Sugar Estate, in the Berbice region of Guyana and the Skeldon Sugar Modernisation Project was realised."

cain posted:

To dumb coolies Jagdeo is still in power...he is their God.

Why do they still call him president when he is an EX, like de wife he booted out de bedroom.

Mars posted:

Skeldon was Jagdeo's pet project Clown. He approached Booker Tate for help in expanding the sugar industry, not the opposite. The final decision was in Jagdeo's lap and he selected the Chinese contractor contrary to Booker Tate's advice. Even your own "evidence" that you posted shows who made the decision to build the Skeldon Goadie. You so dumb, you don't even understand what you posted.

Go read again and understand this time. The decision to build Skeldon was Guysuco's (under instructions from the brainchild, Jagdeo), not Booker Tate.

 

"The Guyana Sugar Corporation (GuySuCo) approached Booker Tate in 2000 to assist them in developing their sugar industry with the intention of increasing sugar production, lowering operating costs and thereby improving profitability."

 

"This resulted in GuySuCo deciding to construct a new cane sugar factory at the Skeldon Sugar Estate, in the Berbice region of Guyana and the Skeldon Sugar Modernisation Project was realised."

 

Looks like you still struggling to validate your claim that this was Jagdeo pet project. Extrapulating Guysuco as Jagdeo etc etc. Keep up the good work in excellent slop can duties. 

Drugb posted:

Mars posted:

Skeldon was Jagdeo's pet project Clown. He approached Booker Tate for help in expanding the sugar industry, not the opposite. The final decision was in Jagdeo's lap and he selected the Chinese contractor contrary to Booker Tate's advice. Even your own "evidence" that you posted shows who made the decision to build the Skeldon Goadie. You so dumb, you don't even understand what you posted.

Go read again and understand this time. The decision to build Skeldon was Guysuco's (under instructions from the brainchild, Jagdeo), not Booker Tate.

 

"The Guyana Sugar Corporation (GuySuCo) approached Booker Tate in 2000 to assist them in developing their sugar industry with the intention of increasing sugar production, lowering operating costs and thereby improving profitability."

 

"This resulted in GuySuCo deciding to construct a new cane sugar factory at the Skeldon Sugar Estate, in the Berbice region of Guyana and the Skeldon Sugar Modernisation Project was realised."

 

Looks like you still struggling to validate your claim that this was Jagdeo pet project. Extrapulating Guysuco as Jagdeo etc etc. Keep up the good work in excellent slop can duties. 

I notice the Piss Pot putting a strain on your goadie and you gave up.

All the evidence points against your theory that Booker Tate was to blame, now you're shifting to Guysuco. Jagdeo being the head of government was the man ultimately in charge of making a US$160 million decision for the government owned Guysuco and the future of the country's economy. This was one of the largest projects undertaken in Guyana and yes it was Jagdeo's pet project. Everyone else but you knows that and it was exposed at the COI into the sugar industry. Jagdeo wanted to consolidate his voting base in Berbice so he came up with a plan to expand the sugar industry since he knew that the Berbice sugar workers were strong PPP supporters. The stupid fool chose a Chinese firm who had no experience in building sugar factories contrary to the advice of Booker Tate. There were companies from Brazil and India with experience in building sugar factories but the kickback in Dr. Doom's pocket was too large for him to turn down the Chinese. Now we're stuck with a big old piece of Chinese iron just good enough for scrap metal and millions in loans to pay back for it.

Drugb posted:

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Nonsense, sugar production was never viable after the removal of EU subsidies. .. 

If you think that this reflects well on Jagdeo you are mistaken.  Jagdeo EXPANDED the sugar industry instead of managing the transition to something else.  So how you scream that Dr. Fake was this great steward of the economy.

Jagdeo landed Guyana with a company that is majorly indebted and which has swallowed hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies.  This money would have been better spent switching to other crops and encouraging the development of an agro industrial base.

Now you can discuss why Grace Kennedy is a much larger agro industrial company than anything that Guyana has.

Drugb posted:

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Looks like you still struggling to validate your claim that this was Jagdeo pet project. Extrapulating Guysuco as Jagdeo etc etc. Keep up the good work in excellent slop can duties. 

I know that Jagdeo's slop is now your drug of choice but you begin to look silly when you scream that Skeldon wasn't his pet project.  TK and others warned him about this and he screamed and ranted and wailed, and of course Guysuco has swallowed well over US$ half a billion when one totals subsidies, as well as loans. Skeldon alone swallowed US$200 million.

 

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Bookers Tate didn't select the Chinese contractors and in fact left a Guysuco in reasonable shape. In 2016 sugar production was LOWER than it was under Hoyte!   This after hundreds of millions of dollars (US) was squandered, with NOTHING to show for it.

But for high gold prices and remittances Jagdeo would have crashed the Guyana economy. In fact between 2000-2006 the economy was STAGNANT. It was growing when Hoyte left it. It was only gold which rescued Guyana as those prices soared after then.

Drugb posted:

cain posted:

To dumb coolies Jagdeo is still in power...he is their God.

Are you a dumb collie? Cause apparently you believe he is still in power.  Now I once again caution you about using this derogatory word to describe our people.  You don't have the right to do so. 

Haul your ass. I guess putagee isn't derogatory eh? I have a nice pic of you as a proud coolie to prove it..just wait till I get to my comp.