13 views and yet no  one can offer up some help here?

D2 posted:

13 views and yet no  one can offer up some help here?

I was a city bai pardnah. I know nothing about rice cultivation. I would think Nehru but he is more is a canecuttah. Sorry.

ksazma posted:

D2 posted:

13 views and yet no  one can offer up some help here?

I was a city bai pardnah. I know nothing about rice cultivation. I would think Nehru but he is more is a canecuttah. Sorry.

Suh you neva had fu chase yellow plantains from eating up the young rice in a b-r-e? Nehru dont know his back sides from his front sides!

D2 posted:

When farmers smooth the rice fields with a big log to plant the little tufts of rice...what was the process called...is it  "henga"...ie dem boys a henga the field meaning they are smoothing it?

Henga is hindi word for harrow.

check the links.

http://hindi-english.org/index...ate&direction=ES

http://hamariweb.com/dictionar...onary.aspx?eu=harrow

I used to say they rake the fields.

the thing about creoles it is takes words from one language and reprocess it to  adorn another and often with a different meaning. I want to know what is the word for the process of dragging a log behind a tractor to smooth out a field for the workers to hand plant rice.

I checked with the Indian side of my family...they tell me words like beyari, beya and henga might be connected to rice planting.  Beyari migh be related to the planting of the rice in the small wet field and beyari might refer to what you are asking about....but these people are not sure.

To prepare a field to grow rice you first plough the fields, that's call the first cut - length wise, then you plough in the second cut in the opposite that is width wise. You then wait for the rains or pump water to flood the fields, next step is use a chipper then the "henga' [berbician, east coast folks say drag] is a round wood to drag to smooth out before shai the 'garai'. Garai is prepare by soaking the paddy for 12 to 18 hours before spreading it out about 4 to 6 inches to germinate shoots about quarter to half inch long. The garai is 'shai' spread by hand from a 'jory' a bag carried on your shoulder or plane in water level of about 3 to 5 inches deep so with the buds/shoots it will grow out from under the water while most weeds and other seeds  cannot germinate and grow through the water leaving your field with less weeds.

Beya is a young rice plant that is raise in a nursery call a beyari then transplant in the fields by hand. The hand plant variety use to take up to six months to mature/reap but these days its just ninety to one hundred twenty days. I am not sure the variety grown currently can be hand plant. 

sachin_05 posted:

To prepare a field to grow rice you first plough the fields, that's call the first cut - length wise, then you plough in the second cut in the opposite that is width wise. You then wait for the rains or pump water to flood the fields, next step is use a chipper then the "henga' [berbician, east coast folks say drag] is a round wood to drag to smooth out before shai the 'garai'. Garai is prepare by soaking the paddy for 12 to 18 hours before spreading it out about 4 to 6 inches to germinate shoots about quarter to half inch long. The garai is 'shai' spread by hand from a 'jory' a bag carried on your shoulder or plane in water level of about 3 to 5 inches deep so with the buds/shoots it will grow out from under the water while most weeds and other seeds  cannot germinate and grow through the water leaving your field with less weeds.

Beya is a young rice plant that is raise in a nursery call a beyari then transplant in the fields by hand. The hand plant variety use to take up to six months to mature/reap but these days its just ninety to one hundred twenty days. I am not sure the variety grown currently can be hand plant. 

Thanks, I wanted to confirm an error I saw in a paper written by a creole linguist stating it means to plough. I thought it was to smooth the field. There are other words like "Karyian" for making a pile so the tractor trash the grains. There is also a word for the rice stalk after it is trashed. I forgot that. The cows used to eat it.   I also think the little dams used to keep the water level constant was called "maree" (the a pronounced a not ah") the shell of the rice also had a name...like Nehru favorite word except with a B ie "bussie".... see if you can think up some more I forgot. These are all re purposed words from Hindi...some retaining the same meaning and pronunciation but others pronounced differently and with different meaning.

D2 posted:

ksazma posted:

D2 posted:

13 views and yet no  one can offer up some help here?

I was a city bai pardnah. I know nothing about rice cultivation. I would think Nehru but he is more is a canecuttah. Sorry.

Suh you neva had fu chase yellow plantains from eating up the young rice in a b-r-e? Nehru dont know his back sides from his front sides!

D2, it's not yellow plantain. Yellow plantains are the ones that make their nests high up in the trees. The nest is like a weaver bird nest(long and hanging). Usually, the pair are together. The yellow plantains you are talking about are what we called dye neck or dye head. These have the size of the robin red breast in Guyana.

Before the tractor came with its harrow to rake and level the fields; I remember how my grand parents would take a plank and make slits and insert about 10 to 12 cutlasses like the metal tines on a  rake. They would then attach to the yolk of the steers to pull it up and down the ploughed fields to chip away at the lumps. They would also step on in it to add their weight. Most times the field would be flooded to soften the earth. 

Closest pic that I could find of  हेंगा फेरना [henga pherna]  ... to harrow or rake.

skeldon_man posted:

D2 posted:

ksazma posted:

D2 posted:

13 views and yet no  one can offer up some help here?

I was a city bai pardnah. I know nothing about rice cultivation. I would think Nehru but he is more is a canecuttah. Sorry.

Suh you neva had fu chase yellow plantains from eating up the young rice in a b-r-e? Nehru dont know his back sides from his front sides!

D2, it's not yellow plantain. Yellow plantains are the ones that make their nests high up in the trees. The nest is like a weaver bird nest(long and hanging). Usually, the pair are together. The yellow plantains you are talking about are what we called dye neck or dye head. These have the size of the robin red breast in Guyana.

these have the size of robins and are dark but with bright yellow breasts. They swarm. I think you are right. My mother has an amerindian name for the birds that makes hanging baskets over the creeks that looks almost like toucans. will have to ask her later today.

Mitwah posted:

Before the tractor came with its harrow to rake and level the fields; I remember how my grand parents would take a plank and make slits and insert about 10 to 12 cutlasses the  the metal tines on a  rake. They would then attach to the yolk of the steers to pull it up and down the ploughed fields to chip away at the lumps. They would also step on in it to add their weight. Most times the field would be flooded to soften the earth. 

Closest pic that I could find of  हेंगा फेरना [henga pherna]  ... to harrow or rake.

 

I never knew ploughing meant the same thing. I saw the above as a kid.

D2 posted:

skeldon_man posted:

D2 posted:

ksazma posted:

D2 posted:

13 views and yet no  one can offer up some help here?

I was a city bai pardnah. I know nothing about rice cultivation. I would think Nehru but he is more is a canecuttah. Sorry.

Suh you neva had fu chase yellow plantains from eating up the young rice in a b-r-e? Nehru dont know his back sides from his front sides!

D2, it's not yellow plantain. Yellow plantains are the ones that make their nests high up in the trees. The nest is like a weaver bird nest(long and hanging). Usually, the pair are together. The yellow plantains you are talking about are what we called dye neck or dye head. These have the size of the robin red breast in Guyana.

these have the size of robins and are dark but with bright yellow breasts. They swarm. I think you are right. My mother has an amerindian name for the birds that makes hanging baskets over the creeks that looks almost like toucans. will have to ask her later today.

Though these yellow plantains do not make their nests in residential areas, they do come around residential areas and feed on the bananas, mangoes, and guavas. I have seen them in our backyard.

D2, खेत जोतना [khēta jōtanā] is ploughing. They sometimes referred to rice field as Kheti, jōtanā is the verb to plough. I am forgetting a lot of these words..

I remember those plows and bending down pulling beeyas from the beeyari to be planted in the fields.

sachin_05 posted:

To prepare a field to grow rice you first plough the fields, that's call the first cut - length wise, then you plough in the second cut in the opposite that is width wise. You then wait for the rains or pump water to flood the fields, next step is use a chipper then the "henga' [berbician, east coast folks say drag] is a round wood to drag to smooth out before shai the 'garai'. Garai is prepare by soaking the paddy for 12 to 18 hours before spreading it out about 4 to 6 inches to germinate shoots about quarter to half inch long. The garai is 'shai' spread by hand from a 'jory' a bag carried on your shoulder or plane in water level of about 3 to 5 inches deep so with the buds/shoots it will grow out from under the water while most weeds and other seeds  cannot germinate and grow through the water leaving your field with less weeds.

Beya is a young rice plant that is raise in a nursery call a beyari then transplant in the fields by hand. The hand plant variety use to take up to six months to mature/reap but these days its just ninety to one hundred twenty days. I am not sure the variety grown currently can be hand plant. 

Bai, you brought back lots of Bachpan memories. The little 1 foot wide dams that separate the fields were called मेढ़ [mēṛha] / [mēṛhi]. 

thanks bais. Me larn something here.  

Ok guys, what is the sheaves of trashed rice stalks called? I know there is a name for it but I forgot.

D2 posted:

Ok guys, what is the sheaves of trashed rice stalks called? I know there is a name for it but I forgot.

As kids we use to go play in the 'straw' around the karyian...but I think the old timers use to call it porah..

sachin_05 posted:

D2 posted:

Ok guys, what is the sheaves of trashed rice stalks called? I know there is a name for it but I forgot.

As kids we use to go play in the 'straw' around the karyian...but I think the old timers use to call it porah..

Correct. That's what we called it. After dad was done, we jumped into the Porah and played.  

sachin_05 posted:

D2 posted:

Ok guys, what is the sheaves of trashed rice stalks called? I know there is a name for it but I forgot.

As kids we use to go play in the 'straw' around the karyian...but I think the old timers use to call it porah..

Bachpan kee yaaden ke bahut saare ! Lot's of childhood memories. We called it pairaah.. for paddy the word is dhaan.

What rice was called?

Mitwah posted:

sachin_05 posted:

D2 posted:

Ok guys, what is the sheaves of trashed rice stalks called? I know there is a name for it but I forgot.

As kids we use to go play in the 'straw' around the karyian...but I think the old timers use to call it porah..

Bachpan kee yaaden ke bahut saare ! Lot's of childhood memories. We called it pairaah.. for paddy the word is dhaan.

What rice was called?

Me thinks Chaawal

Chaaval is the correct spelling.

Mitwah posted:

sachin_05 posted:

D2 posted:

Ok guys, what is the sheaves of trashed rice stalks called? I know there is a name for it but I forgot.

As kids we use to go play in the 'straw' around the karyian...but I think the old timers use to call it porah..

Bachpan kee yaaden ke bahut saare ! Lot's of childhood memories. We called it pairaah.. for paddy the word is dhaan.

What rice was called?

Uncle Ben's!

Hay...I think we got most of the words. Someone should summarize it for the researchers so they do not get it wrong in their journals. I hope we covered most of the missing Indo Creole contribution to the language used in planting and reaping rice.

D2 posted:

Hay...I think we got most of the words. Someone should summarize it for the researchers so they do not get it wrong in their journals. I hope we covered most of the missing Indo Creole contribution to the language used in planting and reaping rice.

Hey man, thanks for asking!  I learned something new!

Me nevuh hear bout dem tings y'all talkin bout. The only rice I know is cook up rice, fry rice, shine rice....

Mars posted:

Me nevuh hear bout dem tings y'all talkin bout. The only rice I know is cook up rice, fry rice, shine rice....

My parents toiled in the fields to produce rice which they sold to the Rice Marketing Board to supply you lazy town folks.    

Mars posted:

Me nevuh hear bout dem tings y'all talkin bout. The only rice I know is cook up rice, fry rice, shine rice....

Lazy ass rice 🍚 eater!😁

Mars posted:

Me nevuh hear bout dem tings y'all talkin bout. The only rice I know is cook up rice, fry rice, shine rice....

That is the great thing about living in a multi-ethnic society. If there is interest, one can learn about the other.

Reminds me of an incident in the 60s. My parents planted rice as usual every year. Dad had his carpenter day job to build houses in the Onverwagt Housing Scheme. When it was rice reaping time, myself and 6 siblings were in school, and Mom arranged with the combine driver to harvest the rice. The guy said women were not allowed on the combines, that it's bad luck. Mom said 'to hell with your rules, I'm paying you to do a job and I'm staying on this combine till my rice is harvested.' The guy shut up and did his job. She was a kickass woman!    

I remember 'kicking" paddy barefoot...ask me to do it now

Riff can you please kick some paddy barefooted?

Hey D2 seeing we r into words here is one for you. Donovan (69's singer) did a song called Hurdy Gurdy man. Have you ever seen a Hurdy Gurdy up close or played one?

cain posted:

Riff can you please kick some paddy barefooted?

At the mill they dried the rice on hot concrete to extract the moisture. To ensure uniform drying they would drag a special rake down the concrete making rows turning the paddy.  Others would simply line up side by side and walk dragging their feet into the paddy making rows and turning it in the process. That is what he is talking about.

How bout the question above?

cain posted:

Hey D2 seeing we r into words here is one for you. Donovan (69's singer) duda song called Hurdy Gurdy man. Have you ever seen a Hurdy Gurdy up close or played one?

 

Celtic instrument. Like the sound. I never had one up close to play it  up but lots of irish folk singers use it. I see them in the summer at the fairs and farmers market. Sounds like bagpipes.

By the way...got a Breedlove D25 off craigslist for 400. My Alvarez artist which was a similar cut away fell off its stand and snapped its headstock. Second one that broke that way in a year. My martin fell that way last year. Had that one factory repaired. I am repairing the Alvarez by by self. Too cheap to waste money on it but too pretty to throw away.

What kind of a slack person you are with your guitars eh?

I can do without the sound of that instrument neither the sound of bagpipes.

My son just got his Ludwig drum set..I will have to visit him soon.

D2 posted:

cain posted:

Riff can you please kick some paddy barefooted?

At the mill they dried the rice on hot concrete to extract the moisture. To ensure uniform drying they would drag a special rake down the concrete making rows turning the paddy.  Others would simply line up side by side and walk dragging their feet into the paddy making rows and turning it in the process. That is what he is talking about.

My parents got all of us to help in this process. I had an exciting childhood! The entire village admired my hardworking family and realized how we got so rich.   

D2, incidentally, in the early 70s, a white woman from York Univ., Toronto, went to my village to do research and later wrote a book about my village and its people, describing how they got rich from rice planting and cattle rearing.