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Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by cain:
 

70? I thought was only 7.

Only 7 not enticing enough bai.

 

This 70 virgins has been misused by both Muslims and non-Muslims alike when the source of it came from something much more romantic. The Prophet was asked by on of his companions about how beautiful his (companion's) wife would be in heaven to which the Prophet replied "72 times the beauty of the moon". Somehow that number got infiltrated into some Muslim literature and hence the birth of the 72 virgins references. Or 70 as quoted by Tola or 7 by Cain. There is hope though. It looks like the number is going down. Hopefully it gets to zero and these folks will not care to kill since there are no virgin prizes.

You are telling a white lie here. Paradise in Muslim theology does insinuate sexual bliss and the 72 or whatever number of  providential full breasted eternal virgins to the eternal erection of men has a long history in various traditions. It is hard to explain this away as a mere reference to  a wife's beauty as you did above. It is clearly not religiously or intellectually healthy.

FM
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by TI:

Sorry, too late. Already hijacked.

after Israel slaughter Palestinian children and the West say it is acceptable, many Muslims support violence to prove their point. They say it is acceptable too.

I agree. Both those ME groups kill. U read accounts of the jewish state from ancient times, one only can marvel at their barbarism. The Babylonians, the Medes, the Persians, the Greeks, the Ottamans, the Romans. Now they are united under one religion. Ever wonder why they still killing each other.

Christians killing mattee too bai.

In the Middle east Christians are the most peaceful. 

I don't think one can quantify that. Neither in whole nor in part.

How so? Christians are a minority in the ME. They are not fightin wid nobody dere.......

Exactly. So as a percentage of the population, are their actions greater or lesser? One cannot really tell without some additional data. Peaceful has different meanings.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by cain:
 

70? I thought was only 7.

Only 7 not enticing enough bai.

 

This 70 virgins has been misused by both Muslims and non-Muslims alike when the source of it came from something much more romantic. The Prophet was asked by on of his companions about how beautiful his (companion's) wife would be in heaven to which the Prophet replied "72 times the beauty of the moon". Somehow that number got infiltrated into some Muslim literature and hence the birth of the 72 virgins references. Or 70 as quoted by Tola or 7 by Cain. There is hope though. It looks like the number is going down. Hopefully it gets to zero and these folks will not care to kill since there are no virgin prizes.

You are telling a white lie here. Paradise in Muslim theology does insinuate sexual bliss and the 72 or whatever number of  providential full breasted eternal virgins to the eternal erection of men has a long history in various traditions. It is hard to explain this away as a mere reference to  a wife's beauty as you did above. It is clearly not religiously or intellectually healthy.

I don't read the same literature on Islam as you do bai so you are free to your own beliefs. I will stick to mine which I am very comfortable with.

FM
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:

Peaceful from my point of view is that there are no christian militant groups there for example killing their own people.

 

There are no christian militants or extremists claiming land and beheading anyone etc.

 

Dat what i mean by peaceful.

If you go by that definition, you will have to agree that the US and Russia are the two least peaceful people since they have the greatest military and have demonstrated the ability and willingness to shock and awe other people. Is that still your definition of peaceful bai?

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:

Peaceful from my point of view is that there are no christian militant groups there for example killing their own people.

 

There are no christian militants or extremists claiming land and beheading anyone etc.

 

Dat what i mean by peaceful.

If you go by that definition, you will have to agree that the US and Russia are the two least peaceful people since they have the greatest military and have demonstrated the ability and willingness to shock and awe other people. Is that still your definition of peaceful bai?

Russia is generally a secular country as is the US. There are no true "Christian armies" they are also not guided by religious ideology, would you agree?

 

There are other reasons, I can give you why the US and Russia Army thing is not what I am getting at but I will let you respond.

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by TI:

Sorry, too late. Already hijacked.

after Israel slaughter Palestinian children and the West say it is acceptable, many Muslims support violence to prove their point. They say it is acceptable too.

I agree. Both those ME groups kill. U read accounts of the jewish state from ancient times, one only can marvel at their barbarism. The Babylonians, the Medes, the Persians, the Greeks, the Ottamans, the Romans. Now they are united under one religion. Ever wonder why they still killing each other.

Christians killing mattee too bai.

Sure, Christainity came out of the Jewish faith. Would u expect any different. The Catholic church took it up and look how many people gat enslaved.

 

God doan need religion.

 

S
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:

Peaceful from my point of view is that there are no christian militant groups there for example killing their own people.

 

There are no christian militants or extremists claiming land and beheading anyone etc.

 

Dat what i mean by peaceful.

If you go by that definition, you will have to agree that the US and Russia are the two least peaceful people since they have the greatest military and have demonstrated the ability and willingness to shock and awe other people. Is that still your definition of peaceful bai?

Russia is generally a secular country as is the US. There are no true "Christian armies" they are also not guided by religious ideology, would you agree?

 

There are other reasons, I can give you why the US and Russia Army thing is not what I am getting at but I will let you respond.

Nonetheless, they are still Christians. The anti-Muslim and pro Christian messages written on those missiles before they were unleashed on Iraqis at the onset of the war in 2003 were written by Christians.  

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

 

God doan need religion.

 

Correction bai. God doan need nothing.

Well, that is the problem.

 

My Holy Book seys God doan want His prized creation to honour false gods. He took Abraham out of Shinar and the worship of Baal to give a whole nation of people that will praise and honour Him. That was an event in Sinai, when God came down from high heaven to talk to HIS anointed.

S
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

 

God doan need religion.

 

Correction bai. God doan need nothing.

Well, that is the problem.

 

My Holy Book seys God doan want His prized creation to honour false gods. He took Abraham out of Shinar and the worship of Baal to give a whole nation of people that will praise and honour Him. That was an event in Sinai, when God came down from high heaven to talk to HIS anointed.

My belief is that God is our Creator and Protector. He is our Sustainer and Cherisher. We need Him while He does not need anything from us. That is why it baffles me that Muslims feel the need to defend Allah.

 

اŲ„Ų„Ų‘Ų‡Ų Ų„اŲŽ ØĨŲŲ„ŲŽŲ€Ų‡ŲŽ ØĨŲŲ„اŲ‘ŲŽ Ų‡ŲŲˆŲŽ اŲ„Ų’Ø­ŲŽŲŠŲ‘Ų اŲ„Ų’Ų‚ŲŽŲŠŲ‘ŲŲˆŲ…Ų Ų„اŲŽ ØŠŲŽØĢŲ’ØŪŲØ°ŲŲ‡Ų ØģŲŲ†ŲŽØĐŲŒ ŲˆŲŽŲ„اŲŽ Ų†ŲŽŲˆŲ’Ų…ŲŒ Ų„Ų‘ŲŽŲ‡Ų Ų…ŲŽØ§ ŲŲŲŠ اŲ„ØģŲ‘ŲŽŲ…ŲŽØ§ŲˆŲŽØ§ØŠŲ ŲˆŲŽŲ…ŲŽØ§ ŲŲŲŠ اŲ„ØĢŲŽØąŲ’ØķŲ Ų…ŲŽŲ† Ø°ŲŽØ§ اŲ„Ų‘ŲŽØ°ŲŲŠ ŲŠŲŽØīŲ’ŲŲŽØđŲ ØđŲŲ†Ų’ØŊŲŽŲ‡Ų ØĨŲŲ„اŲ‘ŲŽ ØĻŲØĨŲØ°Ų’Ų†ŲŲ‡Ų ŲŠŲŽØđŲ’Ų„ŲŽŲ…Ų Ų…ŲŽØ§ ØĻŲŽŲŠŲ’Ų†ŲŽ ØĢŲŽŲŠŲ’ØŊŲŲŠŲ‡ŲŲ…Ų’ ŲˆŲŽŲ…ŲŽØ§ ØŪŲŽŲ„Ų’ŲŲŽŲ‡ŲŲ…Ų’ ŲˆŲŽŲ„اŲŽ ŲŠŲØ­ŲŲŠØ·ŲŲˆŲ†ŲŽ ØĻŲØīŲŽŲŠŲ’ØĄŲ Ų…Ų‘ŲŲ†Ų’ ØđŲŲ„Ų’Ų…ŲŲ‡Ų ØĨŲŲ„اŲ‘ŲŽ ØĻŲŲ…ŲŽØ§ ØīŲŽØ§ØĄ ŲˆŲŽØģŲØđŲŽ ŲƒŲØąŲ’ØģŲŲŠŲ‘ŲŲ‡Ų اŲ„ØģŲ‘ŲŽŲ…ŲŽØ§ŲˆŲŽØ§ØŠŲ ŲˆŲŽØ§Ų„ØĢŲŽØąŲ’ØķŲŽ ŲˆŲŽŲ„اŲŽ ŲŠŲŽØĪŲŲˆØŊŲŲ‡Ų Ø­ŲŲŲ’ØļŲŲ‡ŲŲ…ŲŽØ§ ŲˆŲŽŲ‡ŲŲˆŲŽ اŲ„Ų’ØđŲŽŲ„ŲŲŠŲ‘Ų اŲ„Ų’ØđŲŽØļŲŲŠŲ…Ų

 

Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory). Qur'an 2:255

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:

Did you say full breasssessessess? shit, lemme think this over.......

it is the walking around part with an eternal booner part that bothers me. I do need some "down" time!

This is hilarious bai.

 I've heard of the destruction of a storm, the power of a storm but never the tenting of the storm. HAHAHAHA!!!

cain
Last edited by cain

I have a Muslim buddy and when I go to his place he takes time with his family to do the prayers and he told me as long as you make the Friday noon prayer the rest can.. go long dah side...so to speak. He spoke of the Muslims believing in Jesus, something that's we don't usually hear.

The banna then comes to my place has a couple shots a rum, light up a couple spliff and we chill out with the tunes.

 

My religion rocks.

 

 

cain
Last edited by cain
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

 

God doan need religion.

 

Correction bai. God doan need nothing.

Well, that is the problem.

 

My Holy Book seys God doan want His prized creation to honour false gods. He took Abraham out of Shinar and the worship of Baal to give a whole nation of people that will praise and honour Him. That was an event in Sinai, when God came down from high heaven to talk to HIS anointed.

When he came from high Heaven, did me use a 747 or Cupid wings?????

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

 

God doan need religion.

 

Correction bai. God doan need nothing.

Well, that is the problem.

 

My Holy Book seys God doan want His prized creation to honour false gods. He took Abraham out of Shinar and the worship of Baal to give a whole nation of people that will praise and honour Him. That was an event in Sinai, when God came down from high heaven to talk to HIS anointed.

When he came from high Heaven, did me use a 747 or Cupid wings?????

Would u like to find out soon?

S
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

 

God doan need religion.

 

Correction bai. God doan need nothing.

Well, that is the problem.

 

My Holy Book seys God doan want His prized creation to honour false gods. He took Abraham out of Shinar and the worship of Baal to give a whole nation of people that will praise and honour Him. That was an event in Sinai, when God came down from high heaven to talk to HIS anointed.

When he came from high Heaven, did me use a 747 or Cupid wings?????

Would u like to find out soon?

Is a simple question, if you dont kno say so.  Bera nancy prapa sweet.

Nehru
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:

Peaceful from my point of view is that there are no christian militant groups there for example killing their own people.

 

There are no christian militants or extremists claiming land and beheading anyone etc.

 

Dat what i mean by peaceful.

If you go by that definition, you will have to agree that the US and Russia are the two least peaceful people since they have the greatest military and have demonstrated the ability and willingness to shock and awe other people. Is that still your definition of peaceful bai?

Russia is generally a secular country as is the US. There are no true "Christian armies" they are also not guided by religious ideology, would you agree?

 

There are other reasons, I can give you why the US and Russia Army thing is not what I am getting at but I will let you respond.

Nonetheless, they are still Christians. The anti-Muslim and pro Christian messages written on those missiles before they were unleashed on Iraqis at the onset of the war in 2003 were written by Christians.  

That is a reach Kszama you are trying to say that these armies and the politicians that employ them are somehow controlled by Christian institutions this is a complete fallacy, This is where your argument falls apart.

 

The Russians are the same they also write christian messages on their missiles? This is a huge leap you are making here. These same armies have muslims that are members. Very Very different situation.

 

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Chief:

You are not representing me, you are not representing our noble Prophet Muhamad (uwbp), you are not representing Islam, when you as a Muslim decide to murder and kill, all because of your sick mind and heart.


This is pure evil what happened in Paris yesterday. I love my prophet to dust but he will never react how these fools are behaving.

 

 

Thank you for saying this since members of islam are really hurting that sect.

FM
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:

Peaceful from my point of view is that there are no christian militant groups there for example killing their own people.

 

There are no christian militants or extremists claiming land and beheading anyone etc.

 

Dat what i mean by peaceful.

If you go by that definition, you will have to agree that the US and Russia are the two least peaceful people since they have the greatest military and have demonstrated the ability and willingness to shock and awe other people. Is that still your definition of peaceful bai?

Russia is generally a secular country as is the US. There are no true "Christian armies" they are also not guided by religious ideology, would you agree?

 

There are other reasons, I can give you why the US and Russia Army thing is not what I am getting at but I will let you respond.

Nonetheless, they are still Christians. The anti-Muslim and pro Christian messages written on those missiles before they were unleashed on Iraqis at the onset of the war in 2003 were written by Christians.  

That is a reach Kszama you are trying to say that these armies and the politicians that employ them are somehow controlled by Christian institutions this is a complete fallacy, This is where your argument falls apart.

 

The Russians are the same they also write christian messages on their missiles? This is a huge leap you are making here. These same armies have muslims that are members. Very Very different situation.

 

Not at all HM_Redux. There has not been a Muslim army since the time of Muhammad or quite close after his death. When Aisha took up arms against the supporters of Ali in 656 CE, it was about politics and not religion. All the battles following that to today are for political reasons and not technically Muslim although they are claimed to be. So it is not a stretch to make the argument that all we have now are Muslim fighters no different from Christians, Hindus, Jewish, etc. fighters. The Reverend Hagee among other pastors have been collecting money so re-migrate Jews to Israel for the sole intent of having half of them killed by Palestinians so the other half can become Christians when Jesus returned. They believe that the sooner this happens, the sooner Jesus returns. Sure they are not screaming "Jesus Lives" like the terrorists are yelling "Allahu Akbar" but their actions are way more religious oriented than any of these terrorists are who always associate their actions with resisting western influence and presence in Muslim lands - all political and not religious like the re-migration drive of Hagee and his other co-sponsors.

FM
Originally Posted by Django:

http://www.godallah.com/

 

Kaz... what is your take with the explanation of

Allah.

Simplistic. Its intent seem to be for non-Muslim consumption. Allah is the name used to refer to God in Muslim teachings and is indeed a proper noun. Arabic speaking people of other faiths also refer to God as Allah. There are also some documents showing some aborigines in Australia using a variant of that same word in their rituals also. While not recorded as being used by everyone in the world, Muslims believe that it is the same God that everyone throughout history knew as God.

FM
Originally Posted by cain:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:

Did you say full breasssessessess? shit, lemme think this over.......

it is the walking around part with an eternal booner part that bothers me. I do need some "down" time!

This is hilarious bai.

 I've heard of the destruction of a storm, the power of a storm but never the tenting of the storm. HAHAHAHA!!!

There was a time when people used to tell Stormy that he was too uptight. He was also begged to spend time on the Social forum. That Stormy still exist but mostly for serious intelligent discussions. The new Stormy has become a bit jovial and indulging. Not a bad move on his part.

FM
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by Django:

http://www.godallah.com/

 

Kaz... what is your take with the explanation of

Allah.

The husband of Allit-the queen goddess Mohammad removed from the Kaba with the other idols. But he set the Blackstone(Lingam) on the outer edge of the cube-shaped kaba, so that the hajji can kiss the stone as they filed by one by one.   

Or you can go with Sagga-bai's explanation here Django.

FM
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by RiffRaff:

all bunk!

No. I strongly disagree with you. 

 

What he transcribed is not incorrect-somewhere in the Koran, Moses has to be mentioned. Then, what is written in Genisis(by Moses) cannot be discounted.   

Except that Biblical scholars don't believe that Moses wrote all of what the preachers preach that he wrote. Biblical scholars accept that the authors are unknown in many of the books although they attribute the authorship of some of the first five books of the Old Testament to Ezra.

FM

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