I once had a debate with a fellow Kaieteur News columnist, Stella Ramsaroop, over the question whether Raphael Trotman (then PNC parliamentarian), Khemraj Ramjattan (then PPP parliamentarian) and Sheila Holder (then WPA parliamentarian) should resign their seats seeing that they left their respective parties and were sitting as individual, independent members of the House (see my column, “What is Moral Judgement”, November 6, 2005).
Stella passed moral judgement on the trio pontificating on the moral obligation to resign from their respective parties from which they were made parliamentarians. For Stella, it was the morally right thing to do.
In my response I wrote, “One of the great debates in philosophy is the triangular disagreement on what is morally right and morally wrong between Hume on the one hand, Kant on the other… and Jeremy Betham.”
Using the texts of those three philosophers, I asked Stella to define what is morally right and morally wrong in life. It is outside the scope of this column to regurgitate the thinking of these three philosophers on the subject.
Suffice it to say, my point in that column fourteen years ago, was and still is that is it virtually impossible to delineate neatly, finely and persuasively what constitutes moral values or ethical standards. When you talk about morality, doesn’t context automatically come into the picture?
There is a court case that should be described as one of the most mysterious writs ever filed in the history of Guyanese litigation. Two private citizens want the court to compel the Opposition Leader and GECOM to request the first degree qualification of presidential candidate, Irfaan Ali.
The writ was filed by the special assistant to Minister Khemraj Ramjattan, Dianne Rajkumar, and another person, so obviously there is a political angle clearly present in the decision to litigate. The writ is bizarre for three reasons.
First, it should originate with someone who has more substantial locus standi –either one or all of Ali’s election opponents or the Chief Election Officer. Why two private individuals?
Secondly, why must the court compel the Opposition Leader to see Ali’s first degree and for what purpose? Why can’t the Opposition tell the court that he is not interested in seeing the paper?
Thirdly, the controversy is dead and gone because Ali now has a doctorate from a top university recognised by the world. There can no longer be any legal process anywhere in the world that can be resorted to abrogate his doctorate. He is now a qualified person.
I know a former media personality in 1996 got into UG without the required five CXCs through the initiative of David De Caires.
As a member of the Board of the Faculty of Social Sciences, I demanded to see her entry requirement but the then Dean, Bradley Soloman (deceased), refused. She did her economics degree and went on to do her Master’s.
Her UG entry requirement controversy is dead and gone. She has a Master’s from a recognised British University that will get her a job right here in Guyana.
The court case by the personal assistant to Minister Ramjattan is designed to invoke in people the question of moral propriety of Irfaan Ali, which Ali should laugh about and continue laughing until he grows old.
Which person in Guyana with authority, with power, with status, with money, has moral propriety? What is moral propriety? How do you define it? How do you measure it?
The rest of this column will end with questions, which I leave with my readers. I am not going to answer them. If Ali’s moral standing is open to questioning, what about those who sign contracts involving Guyana’s future and the contracts were horrendously lop-sided? Are they fit to be in government?
A substantial number of people feel Burnham was a dictator. Should people elect politicians to rule the nation when those politicians were close to Burnham and see him as a hero?
Do Indian and African politicians possess moral propriety to qualify them to be in government when they openly preach race hate? Racism is an uncivilised instinct. A person lacks moral propriety if he/she fills the atmosphere with race hate.
Since 1957, almost 99 percent of our top politicians have been preaching the rhetoric of race. Should we accept in society persons who have no moral character in how they treat their employees and these mistreatments are openly published?
For example, the workers have to buy their own toilet paper and hand soap. But these perpetrators are always seen at the cocktail circuit of the embassies. My advice to Ali is to tell his detractors to debate these questions.
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frankly I do not give a rats ass about any politician qualifications, as long as they do a good job
Former Member
Ramjattan is desperately clutching at straws. He (through his staff) is asking Ali to make a disclosure about academic qualifications which has no bearing on how he governs while he has disclosed that he will not disclose the details of his agreement with Granger regarding the revised Cummingsburg agreement which has a greater influence on how the 'Coalition' governs.
Good article by FK. These anti koolie dogs will stop at nothing to hurt Koolie.
Former Member
Hey hey hey...Freddie gat wan point yasuh. Nuff a dem is Critchlow Labour Collge slip in UG wid 0 CXC. CLC is de place foh empowah dem mattie...is de same set who gee abie de aile contract...is too much Agus skool dunce like Labba in dem big wuk position. Hey hey hey. When yuh tun 28 yuh can get in UG without CXC...hey hey hey.
Former Member
Labba posted:Hey hey hey...Freddie gat wan point yasuh. Nuff a dem is Critchlow Labour Collge slip in UG wid 0 CXC. CLC is de place foh empowah dem mattie...is de same set who gee abie de aile contract...is too much Agus skool dunce like Labba in dem big wuk position. Hey hey hey. When yuh tun 28 yuh can get in UG without CXC...hey hey hey.
It doan mattaif dem perform well.
Some people neva had appatunity when dem young. Nuh be so hard pon people man.
Fun what its worth Irfan is as smart as he scampish 🙂
Katahar posted:Labba posted:Hey hey hey...Freddie gat wan point yasuh. Nuff a dem is Critchlow Labour Collge slip in UG wid 0 CXC. CLC is de place foh empowah dem mattie...is de same set who gee abie de aile contract...is too much Agus skool dunce like Labba in dem big wuk position. Hey hey hey. When yuh tun 28 yuh can get in UG without CXC...hey hey hey.
It doan mattaif dem perform well.
Some people neva had appatunity when dem young. Nuh be so hard pon people man.
Fun what its worth Irfan is as smart as he scampish 🙂
Irfaan Ali is a crook favored by Jagdeo because he is a fellow crook. Is this what Guyana has become--fake this , fake that and fake defence of the fake this and that? To begin Ali faked a degree from a non-existent university on the West Coast ? This is outright fraud. Cheddi Jagan would have kicked him out of the party for this but Jagdeo cudddled him. Subsequent to the fake degree he apparently bought a bunch of online diplomas. Then there is the UWI "doctorate". I have been reliably informed that the circumstances surrounding that degree are under investigation by the Principal's office at St. Augustine. Anyone with knowledge of how graduate schools work would know that something fishy happened in this case. Stay tuned.
Labba posted:Hey hey hey...Freddie gat wan point yasuh. Nuff a dem is Critchlow Labour Collge slip in UG wid 0 CXC. CLC is de place foh empowah dem mattie...is de same set who gee abie de aile contract...is too much Agus skool dunce like Labba in dem big wuk position. Hey hey hey. When yuh tun 28 yuh can get in UG without CXC...hey hey hey.
There is a difference between being admitted with alternative qualifications and outright fraud. Irfaan Ali has a a fake degree from a non-existent school, which he used to get acceptance to an Indian school. This is not the same as people getting into UG with diplomas from CLC.
Dave posted:I once had a debate with a fellow Kaieteur News columnist, Stella Ramsaroop, over the question whether Raphael Trotman (then PNC parliamentarian), Khemraj Ramjattan (then PPP parliamentarian) and Sheila Holder (then WPA parliamentarian) should resign their seats seeing that they left their respective parties and were sitting as individual, independent members of the House (see my column, “What is Moral Judgement”, November 6, 2005).
Stella passed moral judgement on the trio pontificating on the moral obligation to resign from their respective parties from which they were made parliamentarians. For Stella, it was the morally right thing to do.
In my response I wrote, “One of the great debates in philosophy is the triangular disagreement on what is morally right and morally wrong between Hume on the one hand, Kant on the other… and Jeremy Betham.”
Using the texts of those three philosophers, I asked Stella to define what is morally right and morally wrong in life. It is outside the scope of this column to regurgitate the thinking of these three philosophers on the subject.
Suffice it to say, my point in that column fourteen years ago, was and still is that is it virtually impossible to delineate neatly, finely and persuasively what constitutes moral values or ethical standards. When you talk about morality, doesn’t context automatically come into the picture?
There is a court case that should be described as one of the most mysterious writs ever filed in the history of Guyanese litigation. Two private citizens want the court to compel the Opposition Leader and GECOM to request the first degree qualification of presidential candidate, Irfaan Ali.
The writ was filed by the special assistant to Minister Khemraj Ramjattan, Dianne Rajkumar, and another person, so obviously there is a political angle clearly present in the decision to litigate. The writ is bizarre for three reasons.
First, it should originate with someone who has more substantial locus standi –either one or all of Ali’s election opponents or the Chief Election Officer. Why two private individuals?
Secondly, why must the court compel the Opposition Leader to see Ali’s first degree and for what purpose? Why can’t the Opposition tell the court that he is not interested in seeing the paper?
Thirdly, the controversy is dead and gone because Ali now has a doctorate from a top university recognised by the world. There can no longer be any legal process anywhere in the world that can be resorted to abrogate his doctorate. He is now a qualified person.
I know a former media personality in 1996 got into UG without the required five CXCs through the initiative of David De Caires.
As a member of the Board of the Faculty of Social Sciences, I demanded to see her entry requirement but the then Dean, Bradley Soloman (deceased), refused. She did her economics degree and went on to do her Master’s.
Her UG entry requirement controversy is dead and gone. She has a Master’s from a recognised British University that will get her a job right here in Guyana.
The court case by the personal assistant to Minister Ramjattan is designed to invoke in people the question of moral propriety of Irfaan Ali, which Ali should laugh about and continue laughing until he grows old.
Which person in Guyana with authority, with power, with status, with money, has moral propriety? What is moral propriety? How do you define it? How do you measure it?
The rest of this column will end with questions, which I leave with my readers. I am not going to answer them. If Ali’s moral standing is open to questioning, what about those who sign contracts involving Guyana’s future and the contracts were horrendously lop-sided? Are they fit to be in government?
A substantial number of people feel Burnham was a dictator. Should people elect politicians to rule the nation when those politicians were close to Burnham and see him as a hero?
Do Indian and African politicians possess moral propriety to qualify them to be in government when they openly preach race hate? Racism is an uncivilised instinct. A person lacks moral propriety if he/she fills the atmosphere with race hate.
Since 1957, almost 99 percent of our top politicians have been preaching the rhetoric of race. Should we accept in society persons who have no moral character in how they treat their employees and these mistreatments are openly published?
For example, the workers have to buy their own toilet paper and hand soap. But these perpetrators are always seen at the cocktail circuit of the embassies. My advice to Ali is to tell his detractors to debate these questions.
If Freddie Kissoon would like a lesson on right and wrong any Guyanese from say Lusignan or Buxton could provide it because morality is about society's norms and values. This is why the candidacy of Ali is frightening because if his "crookishness" is now the norm then the future of the country is bleak.
Former Member
Totaram posted:Irfaan Ali is a crook favored by Jagdeo because he is a fellow crook. Is this what Guyana has become--fake this , fake that and fake defence of the fake this and that? To begin Ali faked a degree from a non-existent university on the West Coast ? This is outright fraud. Cheddi Jagan would have kicked him out of the party for this but Jagdeo cudddled him. Subsequent to the fake degree he apparently bought a bunch of online diplomas. Then there is the UWI "doctorate". I have been reliably informed that the circumstances surrounding that degree are under investigation by the Principal's office at St. Augustine. Anyone with knowledge of how graduate schools work would know that something fishy happened in this case. Stay tuned.
De ting is I dont care if he not educated ..but he is a skyamp on many levels and dat is me issue wid he
But me being pragmatic still tink wid all.dem tiefin ppp manage de ecanamy bettah dan pnc, which is really not saying much.
But man de PNC bereft of ideas..like wtf!
Former Member
Katahar posted:De ting is I dont care if he not educated ..but he is a skyamp on many levels and dat is me issue wid he
But me being pragmatic still tink wid all.dem tiefin ppp manage de ecanamy bettah dan pnc, which is really not saying much.
But man de PNC bereft of ideas..like wtf!
Actually, that is saying a hell of a lot about how incompetent the PNC is.
Former Member
ksazma posted:Katahar posted:De ting is I dont care if he not educated ..but he is a skyamp on many levels and dat is me issue wid he
But me being pragmatic still tink wid all.dem tiefin ppp manage de ecanamy bettah dan pnc, which is really not saying much.
But man de PNC bereft of ideas..like wtf!
Actually, that is saying a hell of a lot about how incompetent the PNC is.
Hey dem in bed together..nah.fool.yuhself
ksazma posted:Katahar posted:De ting is I dont care if he not educated ..but he is a skyamp on many levels and dat is me issue wid he
But me being pragmatic still tink wid all.dem tiefin ppp manage de ecanamy bettah dan pnc, which is really not saying much.
But man de PNC bereft of ideas..like wtf!
Actually, that is saying a hell of a lot about how incompetent the PNC is.
That the PPP managed the economy better than the Coalition is a fallacy. Have a look at the numbers and you will see that the economy grew by approx. 14% over the term of the incumbent government. Moreover, unemployment dropped slightly and , according to Transparency International, corruption was significantly reduced. Add to that the start of a new and significant oil and gas industry and the Coalition has a record to make a strong case for reelection. The coalition is not bereft of ideas. Much has been achieved in its first term and much more will be achieved rapidly in its second term. Trading Granger for Ali would be a terrible mistake but all indications are that it would not happen. What would be the message to Guyanese and about Guyanese if a man with fake qualifications is elected president? It is partly because of this that March 2 will very likely see the reelection of the coalition.
Former Member
Bai Tolaram, we will find out just over a week.
I man not arguing Guyanese politics as I used to because Guyana is too polarized. No more constructive discussion on Guyana but you are forgetting to admit what Granger did and it was raping the constitution, disregard for the NCV, illegally appointing a GECOM chairman etc.
It depends on which side of the political fence you are.
The people will decide. We shall see.
Sean, for one to know that they have to be able to read, understand, use logic and other difficult functions.
Former Member
The formula is simple. If the PPP wins, it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins, the PNC rigged the elections. We are already seeing some moves that suggest that the rigging has begun. We will know for sure in due course. Another thing we is know for sure is that if the PNC rigs and the Coalition 'wins', then Guyana will sink further into a despotic state.
AMEN!!!!!
ksazma posted:The formula is simple. If the PPP wins, it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins, the PNC rigged the elections. We are already seeing some moves that suggest that the rigging has begun. We will know for sure in due course. Another thing we is know for sure is that if the PNC rigs and the Coalition 'wins', then Guyana will sink further into a despotic state.
Read what you wrote as it betrays a badly biased mindset: if the PPP wins , it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins: they rigged.
Former Member
ksazma posted:The formula is simple. If the PPP wins, it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins, the PNC rigged the elections. We are already seeing some moves that suggest that the rigging has begun. We will know for sure in due course. Another thing we is know for sure is that if the PNC rigs and the Coalition 'wins', then Guyana will sink further into a despotic state.
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Bai Dave, I am cautiously optimistic for Election Day in light of the voter suppression allegations.
We shall see. I have a red shirt handy to wear on election day. I even have my own voting booth in my house for the one PPP vote here. PNC rass can't rig in my house ! 
I man declaring an early PPP election victory. Hopefully DJ will accept defeat rass if not then we are in for days of waiting for official results.
Let we see if Volda's people show up for night shift.
Sean posted:Bai Tolaram, we will find out just over a week.
I man not arguing Guyanese politics as I used to because Guyana is too polarized. No more constructive discussion on Guyana but you are forgetting to admit what Granger did and it was raping the constitution, disregard for the NCV, illegally appointing a GECOM chairman etc.
It depends on which side of the political fence you are.
The people will decide. We shall see.
Brother Sean, it is Totaram , not Tolaram. Tolaram is me Mamoo from tap side. On the court cases you mentioned: the appointment of the GECOM chair was unconstitutional as per CCJ ruling and Granger acted accordingly, eventually appointing Justice Singh. The NCM case is more complicated. As you know, it also went to the CCJ, which ruled that 33 was the required number of votes but the court refused to set a date for the elections. With these two cases and several others Granger always expressed his respect for the courts. For those who liken him to Burnham they can't be more wrong. I remember the PNC flag being flown on the Court of Appeals building during Burnham's despotic rule. Now that was a clear signal of disrespect for the rule of law. Although Granger apparently likes Burnham's ideology, unlike Burnham, he is not a dictator. As you mentioned, the Guyanese people will decide on March 2. From my perspective, a government headed Granger is preferable to one headed by Ali.
Totaram posted:Katahar posted:Labba posted:Hey hey hey...Freddie gat wan point yasuh. Nuff a dem is Critchlow Labour Collge slip in UG wid 0 CXC. CLC is de place foh empowah dem mattie...is de same set who gee abie de aile contract...is too much Agus skool dunce like Labba in dem big wuk position. Hey hey hey. When yuh tun 28 yuh can get in UG without CXC...hey hey hey.
It doan mattaif dem perform well.
Some people neva had appatunity when dem young. Nuh be so hard pon people man.
Fun what its worth Irfan is as smart as he scampish 🙂
Irfaan Ali is a crook favored by Jagdeo because he is a fellow crook. Is this what Guyana has become--fake this , fake that and fake defence of the fake this and that? To begin Ali faked a degree from a non-existent university on the West Coast ? This is outright fraud. Cheddi Jagan would have kicked him out of the party for this but Jagdeo cudddled him. Subsequent to the fake degree he apparently bought a bunch of online diplomas. Then there is the UWI "doctorate". I have been reliably informed that the circumstances surrounding that degree are under investigation by the Principal's office at St. Augustine. Anyone with knowledge of how graduate schools work would know that something fishy happened in this case. Stay tuned.
Totaram you are stuck in the past. This time na lang time when Jorgon would rig election so that his mattie B. Benn can defeat Balram Singh. The man won his election fair and square or should I say in Irfan's case he won dark and round. But same thing the man beat out everyone like Bolt at the Olympics.
Former Member
Comrade Granger lead Coalition wit win big Marc 2. Green dance on all street all Guyana. Corruption PPP complainers say rig but 36 seat no care. All people will back on work for all better living. Comrade Naganootoo will president if comrade Granger not will more.
Former Member
CumRod Zara, I will present you with a Dhall Ghotney and a box of tissues after a Massive PPP landslide victory in just over a week.
I understand that you are living in a fantasy world but people are allowed to fantasize. I hope that your CumRods Nagamotooa and Moses enjoy their retirement.
PNC will NEVER allow a Kulie as President, They made sure of that in their Cummingsburd accord.
Prashad posted:Totaram posted:Katahar posted:Labba posted:Hey hey hey...Freddie gat wan point yasuh. Nuff a dem is Critchlow Labour Collge slip in UG wid 0 CXC. CLC is de place foh empowah dem mattie...is de same set who gee abie de aile contract...is too much Agus skool dunce like Labba in dem big wuk position. Hey hey hey. When yuh tun 28 yuh can get in UG without CXC...hey hey hey.
It doan mattaif dem perform well.
Some people neva had appatunity when dem young. Nuh be so hard pon people man.
Fun what its worth Irfan is as smart as he scampish 🙂
Irfaan Ali is a crook favored by Jagdeo because he is a fellow crook. Is this what Guyana has become--fake this , fake that and fake defence of the fake this and that? To begin Ali faked a degree from a non-existent university on the West Coast ? This is outright fraud. Cheddi Jagan would have kicked him out of the party for this but Jagdeo cudddled him. Subsequent to the fake degree he apparently bought a bunch of online diplomas. Then there is the UWI "doctorate". I have been reliably informed that the circumstances surrounding that degree are under investigation by the Principal's office at St. Augustine. Anyone with knowledge of how graduate schools work would know that something fishy happened in this case. Stay tuned.
Totaram you are stuck in the past. This time na lang time when Jorgon would rig election so that his mattie B. Benn can defeat Balram Singh. The man won his election fair and square or should I say in Irfan's case he won dark and round. But same thing the man beat out everyone like Bolt at the Olympics.
His selection was engineered by his crooked friend Bharrat. This was a gift to Granger as will be borne out on March 2.
Former Member
Totaram posted:Sean posted:Bai Tolaram, we will find out just over a week.
I man not arguing Guyanese politics as I used to because Guyana is too polarized. No more constructive discussion on Guyana but you are forgetting to admit what Granger did and it was raping the constitution, disregard for the NCV, illegally appointing a GECOM chairman etc.
It depends on which side of the political fence you are.
The people will decide. We shall see.
Brother Sean, it is Totaram , not Tolaram. Tolaram is me Mamoo from tap side. On the court cases you mentioned: the appointment of the GECOM chair was unconstitutional as per CCJ ruling and Granger acted accordingly, eventually appointing Justice Singh. The NCM case is more complicated. As you know, it also went to the CCJ, which ruled that 33 was the required number of votes but the court refused to set a date for the elections. With these two cases and several others Granger always expressed his respect for the courts. For those who liken him to Burnham they can't be more wrong. I remember the PNC flag being flown on the Court of Appeals building during Burnham's despotic rule. Now that was a clear signal of disrespect for the rule of law. Although Granger apparently likes Burnham's ideology, unlike Burnham, he is not a dictator. As you mentioned, the Guyanese people will decide on March 2. From my perspective, a government headed Granger is preferable to one headed by Ali.
I totally disagree and I said before, I prefer not to argue about the elections and await for free and fair election results. I always believe in a fair fight and will respect the results regardless of who wins in an internationally recognized free and fair election.
Former Member
Sean posted:Totaram posted:Sean posted:Bai Tolaram, we will find out just over a week.
I man not arguing Guyanese politics as I used to because Guyana is too polarized. No more constructive discussion on Guyana but you are forgetting to admit what Granger did and it was raping the constitution, disregard for the NCV, illegally appointing a GECOM chairman etc.
It depends on which side of the political fence you are.
The people will decide. We shall see.
Brother Sean, it is Totaram , not Tolaram. Tolaram is me Mamoo from tap side. On the court cases you mentioned: the appointment of the GECOM chair was unconstitutional as per CCJ ruling and Granger acted accordingly, eventually appointing Justice Singh. The NCM case is more complicated. As you know, it also went to the CCJ, which ruled that 33 was the required number of votes but the court refused to set a date for the elections. With these two cases and several others Granger always expressed his respect for the courts. For those who liken him to Burnham they can't be more wrong. I remember the PNC flag being flown on the Court of Appeals building during Burnham's despotic rule. Now that was a clear signal of disrespect for the rule of law. Although Granger apparently likes Burnham's ideology, unlike Burnham, he is not a dictator. As you mentioned, the Guyanese people will decide on March 2. From my perspective, a government headed Granger is preferable to one headed by Ali.
I totally disagree and I said before, I prefer not to argue about the elections and await for free and fair election results. I always believe in a fair fight and will respect the results regardless of who wins in an internationally recognized free and fair election.
Bhai, is 7 political parties bank up to challenge 1 - If its a fair fight, PPPC will trash their Arss left, right and centre.
APNU get a good trashing at the LGE .. and this election will be a massive massive victory for PPPC.
Totaram posted:ksazma posted:The formula is simple. If the PPP wins, it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins, the PNC rigged the elections. We are already seeing some moves that suggest that the rigging has begun. We will know for sure in due course. Another thing we is know for sure is that if the PNC rigs and the Coalition 'wins', then Guyana will sink further into a despotic state.
Read what you wrote as it betrays a badly biased mindset: if the PPP wins , it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins: they rigged.
You seems NOT to have an knowledge of Guyana and certainly none of the Barbaric PNC history, tactics, philosophy and general animalistic behavior!!!
Former Member
Nehru posted:Totaram posted:ksazma posted:The formula is simple. If the PPP wins, it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins, the PNC rigged the elections. We are already seeing some moves that suggest that the rigging has begun. We will know for sure in due course. Another thing we is know for sure is that if the PNC rigs and the Coalition 'wins', then Guyana will sink further into a despotic state.
Read what you wrote as it betrays a badly biased mindset: if the PPP wins , it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins: they rigged.
You seems NOT to have an knowledge of Guyana and certainly none of the Barbaric PNC history, tactics, philosophy and general animalistic behavior!!!
Nah worry with he Skont.. he is Christmas blow blow...
check out sean thread, he hiring
Dave posted:Sean posted:Totaram posted:Sean posted:Bai Tolaram, we will find out just over a week.
I man not arguing Guyanese politics as I used to because Guyana is too polarized. No more constructive discussion on Guyana but you are forgetting to admit what Granger did and it was raping the constitution, disregard for the NCV, illegally appointing a GECOM chairman etc.
It depends on which side of the political fence you are.
The people will decide. We shall see.
Brother Sean, it is Totaram , not Tolaram. Tolaram is me Mamoo from tap side. On the court cases you mentioned: the appointment of the GECOM chair was unconstitutional as per CCJ ruling and Granger acted accordingly, eventually appointing Justice Singh. The NCM case is more complicated. As you know, it also went to the CCJ, which ruled that 33 was the required number of votes but the court refused to set a date for the elections. With these two cases and several others Granger always expressed his respect for the courts. For those who liken him to Burnham they can't be more wrong. I remember the PNC flag being flown on the Court of Appeals building during Burnham's despotic rule. Now that was a clear signal of disrespect for the rule of law. Although Granger apparently likes Burnham's ideology, unlike Burnham, he is not a dictator. As you mentioned, the Guyanese people will decide on March 2. From my perspective, a government headed Granger is preferable to one headed by Ali.
I totally disagree and I said before, I prefer not to argue about the elections and await for free and fair election results. I always believe in a fair fight and will respect the results regardless of who wins in an internationally recognized free and fair election.
Bhai, is 7 political parties bank up to challenge 1 - If its a fair fight, PPPC will trash their Arss left, right and centre.
APNU already getting a good trashing at the LGE .. and this election will be a massive massive victory for PPPC.
The LGE was ages ago under very different conditions. It was the seeming success there that emboldened Jagdeo to conspire with Charandass and others to move the non-confidence motion. You will note that the turn out in the LGE was very low and should not have been taken as an indicator of what would happen in a general election. Moreover, the NCM has galvanized the Coalition vote. Granger correctly observed at one of his rallies that Region 4 will decide the election. Have a look of at the demographics of that area and you will stop your silly talk about "trashing and massive victory'.
Former Member
Totaram posted:Dave posted:Sean posted:Totaram posted:Sean posted:Bai Tolaram, we will find out just over a week.
I man not arguing Guyanese politics as I used to because Guyana is too polarized. No more constructive discussion on Guyana but you are forgetting to admit what Granger did and it was raping the constitution, disregard for the NCV, illegally appointing a GECOM chairman etc.
It depends on which side of the political fence you are.
The people will decide. We shall see.
Brother Sean, it is Totaram , not Tolaram. Tolaram is me Mamoo from tap side. On the court cases you mentioned: the appointment of the GECOM chair was unconstitutional as per CCJ ruling and Granger acted accordingly, eventually appointing Justice Singh. The NCM case is more complicated. As you know, it also went to the CCJ, which ruled that 33 was the required number of votes but the court refused to set a date for the elections. With these two cases and several others Granger always expressed his respect for the courts. For those who liken him to Burnham they can't be more wrong. I remember the PNC flag being flown on the Court of Appeals building during Burnham's despotic rule. Now that was a clear signal of disrespect for the rule of law. Although Granger apparently likes Burnham's ideology, unlike Burnham, he is not a dictator. As you mentioned, the Guyanese people will decide on March 2. From my perspective, a government headed Granger is preferable to one headed by Ali.
I totally disagree and I said before, I prefer not to argue about the elections and await for free and fair election results. I always believe in a fair fight and will respect the results regardless of who wins in an internationally recognized free and fair election.
Bhai, is 7 political parties bank up to challenge 1 - If its a fair fight, PPPC will trash their Arss left, right and centre.
APNU already getting a good trashing at the LGE .. and this election will be a massive massive victory for PPPC.
The LGE was ages ago under very different conditions. It was the seeming success there that emboldened Jagdeo to conspire with Charandass and others to move the non-confidence motion. You will note that the turn out in the LGE was very low and should not have been taken as an indicator of what would happen in a general election. Moreover, the NCM has galvanized the Coalition vote. Granger correctly observed at one of his rallies that Region 4 will decide the election. Have a look of at the demographics of that area and you will stop your silly talk about "trashing and massive victory'.
Eh eh .. your writing looks like Vish, is he your twin buddy
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Vish is taking after school lessons since he fell back after joining GNI. He uncle helping he at GNI.
Sean posted:Vish is taking after school lessons since he fell back after joining GNI. He uncle helping he at GNI.
Who is Vish and who is his uncle? This thread is about morality and Irfaan Ali's fake qualifications. Care to comment?
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That for you to find out bai. Jealousy is a very bad thing. Ali has his accreditation as Doctor from UWI. Why don’t you go and ask them. Don’t make a fool of yourself.
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Totaram posted:ksazma posted:The formula is simple. If the PPP wins, it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins, the PNC rigged the elections. We are already seeing some moves that suggest that the rigging has begun. We will know for sure in due course. Another thing we is know for sure is that if the PNC rigs and the Coalition 'wins', then Guyana will sink further into a despotic state.
Read what you wrote as it betrays a badly biased mindset: if the PPP wins , it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins: they rigged.
I am basing my observation on historical data. It is none other than the PNC's fault that all general elections as well as the bogus 1978 Referendum conducted while they were the government were deemed rigged. The PPP can't boast of that stellar rigging record.
Sean posted:That for you to find out bai. Jealousy is a very bad thing. Ali has his accreditation as Doctor from UWI. Why don’t you go and ask them. Don’t make a fool of yourself.
Jealousy ? No, the question is about morality of a candidate for the highest office in the land having a degree from a non-existent university. Cheddi Jagan was the the most ethical leader ever. Is this what has become of his party? How is this acceptable to anyone with a conscience?
ksazma posted:Totaram posted:ksazma posted:The formula is simple. If the PPP wins, it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins, the PNC rigged the elections. We are already seeing some moves that suggest that the rigging has begun. We will know for sure in due course. Another thing we is know for sure is that if the PNC rigs and the Coalition 'wins', then Guyana will sink further into a despotic state.
Read what you wrote as it betrays a badly biased mindset: if the PPP wins , it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins: they rigged.
I am basing my observation on historical data. It is none other than the PNC's fault that all general elections as well as the bogus 1978 Referendum conducted while they were the government were deemed rigged. The PPP can't boast of that stellar rigging record.
If this is what you meant you surely stated it clumsily. Indeed the plebiscites you mention were rigged but the following: "The formula is simple. If the PPP wins, it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins, the PNC rigged the elections" suggests a pronouncement on the outcome of the March 2 vote.
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Totaram posted:ksazma posted:Totaram posted:ksazma posted:The formula is simple. If the PPP wins, it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins, the PNC rigged the elections. We are already seeing some moves that suggest that the rigging has begun. We will know for sure in due course. Another thing we is know for sure is that if the PNC rigs and the Coalition 'wins', then Guyana will sink further into a despotic state.
Read what you wrote as it betrays a badly biased mindset: if the PPP wins , it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins: they rigged.
I am basing my observation on historical data. It is none other than the PNC's fault that all general elections as well as the bogus 1978 Referendum conducted while they were the government were deemed rigged. The PPP can't boast of that stellar rigging record.
If this is what you meant you surely stated it clumsily. Indeed the plebiscites you mention were rigged but the following: "The formula is simple. If the PPP wins, it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins, the PNC rigged the elections" suggests a pronouncement on the outcome of the March 2 vote.
They are one and the same. Everything doesn't need to be spelt out. We are not litigating in a courtroom.
ksazma posted:Totaram posted:ksazma posted:Totaram posted:ksazma posted:The formula is simple. If the PPP wins, it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins, the PNC rigged the elections. We are already seeing some moves that suggest that the rigging has begun. We will know for sure in due course. Another thing we is know for sure is that if the PNC rigs and the Coalition 'wins', then Guyana will sink further into a despotic state.
Read what you wrote as it betrays a badly biased mindset: if the PPP wins , it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins: they rigged.
I am basing my observation on historical data. It is none other than the PNC's fault that all general elections as well as the bogus 1978 Referendum conducted while they were the government were deemed rigged. The PPP can't boast of that stellar rigging record.
If this is what you meant you surely stated it clumsily. Indeed the plebiscites you mention were rigged but the following: "The formula is simple. If the PPP wins, it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins, the PNC rigged the elections" suggests a pronouncement on the outcome of the March 2 vote.
They are one and the same. Everything doesn't need to be spelt out. We are not litigating in a courtroom.
They are not one and the same. Some are in the past and one is on March 2, 2020. To make the statement you made about a future event does betray a biased mindset.
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Totaram posted:ksazma posted:Totaram posted:ksazma posted:Totaram posted:ksazma posted:The formula is simple. If the PPP wins, it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins, the PNC rigged the elections. We are already seeing some moves that suggest that the rigging has begun. We will know for sure in due course. Another thing we is know for sure is that if the PNC rigs and the Coalition 'wins', then Guyana will sink further into a despotic state.
Read what you wrote as it betrays a badly biased mindset: if the PPP wins , it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins: they rigged.
I am basing my observation on historical data. It is none other than the PNC's fault that all general elections as well as the bogus 1978 Referendum conducted while they were the government were deemed rigged. The PPP can't boast of that stellar rigging record.
If this is what you meant you surely stated it clumsily. Indeed the plebiscites you mention were rigged but the following: "The formula is simple. If the PPP wins, it is legitimate. If the Coalition wins, the PNC rigged the elections" suggests a pronouncement on the outcome of the March 2 vote.
They are one and the same. Everything doesn't need to be spelt out. We are not litigating in a courtroom.
They are not one and the same. Some are in the past and one is on March 2, 2020. To make the statement you made about a future event does betray a biased mindset.
Perhaps you don't understand what 'if' connotes.
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