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New Pentagon figures released to NPR show that since the United States invaded Iraq, officers have kicked out far more troops for having behavior issues that are potentially linked to post-traumatic stress disorder than they did before the war.

The numbers raise troubling questions about how the military is handling mental-health issues.

NPR has reported that servicemen and women who come home with serious mental-health problems, such as PTSD, often can't get the medical treatment they need.

And some commanders, in fact, have kicked troubled troops out of the military instead of trying to help them.

Until now, NPR reports have included anecdotal evidence, because the Pentagon has not released detailed statistics.

Rise in Personality Disorder and Misconduct Dismissals

NPR asked the U.S. Army and the U.S. Marine Corps to disclose how many troops have been discharged by their commanders in recent years and why.

The Marine Corps has not provided statistics.

But an Army chart, which NPR recently received, shows that since the United States invaded Iraq:

— Commanders have discharged almost 20 percent more soldiers for "misconduct" than they did in the same period before the war;

— Commanders have discharged more than twice as many soldiers for "drug abuse" (a subset of the "misconduct" category);

— Commanders have discharged almost 40 percent more soldiers for "personality disorder."

In all, the Army has kicked out more than 28,000 soldiers since the war in Iraq began on the grounds of personality disorder and misconduct.

Those statistics "trouble me," says Stephen Xenakis, a psychiatrist and retired brigadier general who used to help run the Army medical system.

"It raises questions," he says. "Are we doing the right thing by the soldiers?"

Behaviors Linked to PTSD

Xenakis and other mental-health specialists who work with the military say the Army's statistics seem to corroborate what many former soldiers and Marines have told NPR.

Those servicemen's and women's records show that after they came home from Iraq or Afghanistan, and were diagnosed with PTSD or other mental health disorders, they started breaking Army rules and, in some cases, the law — from not showing up for formation and going AWOL, to using illegal drugs.

Xenakis and other specialists say those kinds of behaviors are common among soldiers with mental disorders like PTSD.

"That's exactly how those problems would show up," Xenakis says. "Drinking, drugs ... (the soldiers) medicate themselves. They say 'Why should I keep my uniform all starched and neat when I just buried two of my buddies?'"

Yet, the troops NPR has interviewed had trouble getting intensive medical treatment. Instead, their commanders discharged them for "misconduct," which means the soldiers lost some or all of their military benefits.

The Army chart obtained by NPR — showing increased rates of "misconduct" and especially "drug abuse" — is consistent with those anecdotal accounts.

Personality Disorder: 'Deeply Stigmatizing Diagnosis'

Some mental-health specialists are especially worried that commanders and military medical staff are abusing the diagnosis of "personality disorder," which commanders have used to discharge some soldiers who were also diagnosed with PTSD.

Psychiatrist Jonathan Shay, who has been studying combat veterans for more than 20 years at the Department of Veterans Affairs and other institutions, criticizes the use of personality disorder partly because it's a "deeply stigmatizing diagnosis," he says.

Shay says that when the military diagnoses soldiers with personality disorder, it is saying, in effect, that fighting in the war didn't cause their mental health problems.

"It's saying, in essence, you're rotten and have been rotten since childhood," he says.

If true, Shay wonders, why didn't Army doctors diagnose such a serious and deep-rooted psychological ailment when they were recruiting the prospective soldier?

Avoiding Paying Disability Benefits?

Shay says the Army's statistics, showing that discharges for "personality disorder" have increased in recent years by almost 40 percent, suggest that the military may be abusing the diagnosis because doing so is convenient.

Under the Army's rules, it takes a commander months to expel soldiers on the grounds that they can't function due to PTSD — and the military has to pay the soldier disability benefits.

But if a psychiatrist diagnoses a solider with a "personality disorder," the base can discharge him or her in less than two weeks without paying any disability.

"It troubles me that it appears that sometimes, mental-health professionals are ready to be the willing servants of the command," Shay says.

He worries that military doctors are telling commanders, in effect, "'If you want me to get this kid out quickly, I'll do it. It doesn't matter how much I have to bend my own conscience or bend the facts to do it.'"

NPR submitted requests to five spokesmen at the Pentagon and U.S. Army to interview a top official about these issues. These requests were not granted.

Medical specialists who reviewed the statistics stress that the Army's numbers don't prove that commanders are getting rid of soldiers who developed mental-health problems in the war. But they say the figures should prompt the military to do much more research.

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Originally Posted by yuji22:

In the interest of the safety of members who have been threatened on this BB, should the US military be contacted ?

so lame . . . your estrogen levels must be sky high

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:

In the interest of the safety of members who have been threatened on this BB, should the US military be contacted ?

 

My Dear Auntyman,

 

Only a true blue mudhead could think its acceptable to denigrate someone's military service (specifically in a combat zone of some kind).

 

Are you making fun of people diagnosed with PTSD? A serious issue which men who have more balls in a single testicle than you'll ever hope to suck in a lifetime of trying?

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:

In the interest of the safety of members who have been threatened on this BB, should the US military be contacted ?

You would be one of those they'd be interested in,especially since your Communist leaning Govt seem to be in the business of getting rid of those against their ideals...plus the drug thingy they seem to have,goin on.

cain
Originally Posted by JoKer:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

In the interest of the safety of members who have been threatened on this BB, should the US military be contacted ?

 

My Dear Auntyman,

 

Only a true blue mudhead could think its acceptable to denigrate someone's military service (specifically in a combat zone of some kind).

 

Are you making fun of people diagnosed with PTSD? A serious issue which men who have more balls in a single testicle than you'll ever hope to suck in a lifetime of trying?

Your mental state needs to be examined.

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

In the interest of the safety of members who have been threatened on this BB, should the US military be contacted ?

so lame . . . your estrogen levels must be sky high

 

Only on a Guyanese coolie forum could think its ok to put down the military and particularly men and women who suffer from PTSD.

 

I'm not even half the man as those who suffer from PTSD as part of their tremendous sacrifices so auntymen like yujji could make fun of them behind a computer screen.

FM

Your are threatening members here.  

 

No one is making fun of any servicemen or women. Service to one's country is the greatest of deed. What is disturbing is what you post here and it calls your mental state into question.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Your are threatening members here.  

 

No one is making fun of any servicemen or women. Service to one's country is the greatest of deed. What is disturbing is what you post here and it calls your mental state into question.

 

You think its acceptable to attack my military record? Where's yours auntyman?

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Your are threatening members here.  

 

No one is making fun of any servicemen or women. Service to one's country is the greatest of deed. What is disturbing is what you post here and it calls your mental state into question.

That Joker went over, took a few pot shots and drugged up kids, then returned and want to rule the world.  What a joker, no pun intended.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Your are threatening members here.  

 

No one is making fun of any servicemen or women. Service to one's country is the greatest of deed. What is disturbing is what you post here and it calls your mental state into question.

That Joker went over, took a few pot shots and drugged up kids, then returned and want to rule the world.  What a joker, no pun intended.

 

Are you kidding me?

FM
Originally Posted by JoKer:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Your are threatening members here.  

 

No one is making fun of any servicemen or women. Service to one's country is the greatest of deed. What is disturbing is what you post here and it calls your mental state into question.

 

You think its acceptable to attack my military record? Where's yours auntyman?

Based on your post, you are irrational. I have made it clear that service to one's country is the greatest of deed. I never attacked your record. What I call into question if your current mental state. Your threats and abusive language combined with your attacks on Hindus is quite evident and that is unacceptable.

 

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by JoKer:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Your are threatening members here.  

 

No one is making fun of any servicemen or women. Service to one's country is the greatest of deed. What is disturbing is what you post here and it calls your mental state into question.

 

You think its acceptable to attack my military record? Where's yours auntyman?

Based on your post, you are irrational. I have made it clear that service to one's country is the greatest of deed. I never attacked your record. What I call into question if your current mental state. Your threats and abusive language combined with your attacks on Hindus is quite evident and that is unacceptable.

 

 

Typical auntyman posting. Come back when you have something worthwhile.

FM
Originally Posted by JoKer:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Your are threatening members here.  

 

No one is making fun of any servicemen or women. Service to one's country is the greatest of deed. What is disturbing is what you post here and it calls your mental state into question.

That Joker went over, took a few pot shots and drugged up kids, then returned and want to rule the world.  What a joker, no pun intended.

 

Are you kidding me?

No antiman, you are  clown, a pathologically disturbed one at that.

FM
Originally Posted by JoKer:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by JoKer:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Your are threatening members here.  

 

No one is making fun of any servicemen or women. Service to one's country is the greatest of deed. What is disturbing is what you post here and it calls your mental state into question.

 

You think its acceptable to attack my military record? Where's yours auntyman?

Based on your post, you are irrational. I have made it clear that service to one's country is the greatest of deed. I never attacked your record. What I call into question if your current mental state. Your threats and abusive language combined with your attacks on Hindus is quite evident and that is unacceptable.

 

 

Typical auntyman posting. Come back when you have something worthwhile.

Come back when you seek mental assistance. Do it quick.

FM
Originally Posted by JoKer:

Who is dis lungeera Paul Chandra?

 

 

Farouk Samaroo:

 

No wonder the Democrat party in Queens rejected you---you are a gullible and naive little boy!hahahaha

 

Paul Chandra is the fake name the Rev Al handle  used to register on gni---Chandra paul is my favorite player---so reverse that and you get Paul Chandra.hahahaha

 

 

RE: ALEXI RAMOTAR

 

Farouk--didn't you claim Rev Al was Alexi Ramotar ? Now you believe he is the fake name he registered under---Paul Chandra ?

 

YOU ARE A NAIVE, GULLIBLE BOY FAROUK SAMAROO---NO WONDER THE QUEENS DEMOCRAT PARTY HAVE REJECTED YOU AND TREATED YOU LIKE $HIT.

 

By the way Farouk--yuji is right---that stint in Afghanistan seems to have mentally F****d up your mind---seek treatment little boy.

 

Rev

FM
Originally Posted by JoKer:

I must really be bothering you mudheads here daily

We worry about your mental state. Seek help and do it quick. You did your country the greatest good. I salute all servicemen and women.

 

You degrade yourself on this forum with your vile and offensive posts and you should seek mental assistance at the earliest opportunity.

FM
Originally Posted by JoKer:

Oh looky, the auntyman cavalry has arrived


Take a good look at that Farouk Samaroo photo folks!

 

100% HOMOSEXUAL LOOK!

 

People who like labelling other as homos are LATENT HOMOSEXUALS!

 

You can't hide Farouk Samaroo---look in the mirror.

 

Rev

 

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by JoKer:

I must be getting under somebody's skin dere

Pure antimanishness.

 

If I do post nonsense, how come ayuh suh concerned about "nonsense"???

FM
Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by JoKer:

LMAO LMAO


lllllllllll

 

 

OK Folks:

 

Check out the waxed eyelahes on Farouk Samaroo above.

 

100% HOMOSEXUAL!

 

Rev

100% antiman.

FM

This man served his country in a combat zone; while the only combat little ladies like rev, yugee and baseman get close to is cheerleading drug lords running murder-for-hire protection rackets with the tiefman PPP

 

the estrogen rush on this thread is phenomenal . . . must to avoid

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:

No wonder this man who needs to seek mental assistance uses gay terminology in most of his posts.

 

Listen Joker, come out of your closet. Be yourself, we will not judge you. But please, seek the mental health assistance that you so badly need. It must be very tough after the democrat party kicked you to the curb and a judge threw the book at you. You will get over it.


Please seek the mental help that you so badly need.

 

 


Folks who are latent homosexuals---try to hide their homosexuality by berating others---labelling them as antiman.

 

TAKE A LOOK AT FAROUK SAMAROO---100% HOMOSEXUAL--PHOTOS DON'T LIE

 

Rev

FM
Originally Posted by redux:

This man served his country in a combat zone; while the only combat little ladies like rev, yugee and baseman get close to is cheerleading drug lords running murder-for-hire protection rackets with the tiefman PPP

 

the estrogen rush on this thread is phenomenal . . . must to avoid

 

Dem bais really really like dat pitcha

FM
Originally Posted by JoKer:
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Dem bais really really like dat pitcha


There is no crime in being a homosexual Joker! It is not a sin. You are a child of god.

 

 

But why does a latent homosexual like you Farouk Samaroo label others as antimen ? The reason you do so is you are trying to cover up who you really are--GAY!

 

Check out Farouk Samaroo's photos folks---check his eyelashes---100% HOMO---now folks why does Farouk label others antiman ?

 

Rev

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:

In the interest of the safety of members who have been threatened on this BB, should the US military be contacted ?

 Creep, go fu..k your self. I would bitch slap your pathetic ass for being an  annoyance and I have never was remotely near a combat zone. You are enough of a buzzing ghat to make one one want to step on your behind.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

In the interest of the safety of members who have been threatened on this BB, should the US military be contacted ?

 Creep, go fu..k your self. I would bitch slap your pathetic ass for being an  annoyance and I have never was remotely near a combat zone. You are enough of a buzzing ghat to make one one want to step on your behind.

 

I never thought that people attack military service records. Of all the things to attack a person over, I wouldn't have guessed this. I know people whose lives were destroyed by PTSD and these pieces of cow shyte can make fun of them just for a cheap thrill.

FM
Originally Posted by JoKer:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

In the interest of the safety of members who have been threatened on this BB, should the US military be contacted ?

 Creep, go fu..k your self. I would bitch slap your pathetic ass for being an  annoyance and I have never was remotely near a combat zone. You are enough of a buzzing ghat to make one one want to step on your behind.

 

I never thought that people attack military service records. Of all the things to attack a person over, I wouldn't have guessed this. I know people whose lives were destroyed by PTSD and these pieces of cow shyte can make fun of them just for a cheap thrill.

To date, not a single person attacked your military record. You call posters antimen and threaten other people here. You attack hunduism the oldest religion in the world.

 

There is a vast difference in attacking your vile and indecent posts and someone attacking your military record. You are so messed up mentally that you cannot even make a sensible differentiation. Post any proof here of someone who attacked your record.

 

It seems that you have a very low self esteem since your are quick on your feet to attack and call other posters antimen and gay and using vile words to describe hindus.   You now try to cloud the facts by claiming that people are attacking your military record. Read my posts here.

 

Listen, the democrat party kicked you to the curb and the judge threw the book at you but that is no excuse to come here and attack other people in the hope that you will get a thrill of it.

 

You have a lot of issues. You claim to be a muslim in an effort to stat a Hindus vs Muslim divide when in fact you are a confirmed catholic. There is nothing wrong with Islam, it is a religion of peace and you will gain tremendous strength if you so wish.

 

I am a hindu and find that your anti hindu posts fill of hate on this BB is totally unacceptable. Now let us get the facts straight. 


This is a political discussion forum and if you cannot stand the heat, stay away from the kitchen.

FM

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