He was under pressure not to intervene by joining the coalition. They said it is not their fight. Even now the brother of the dead pilot and those speaking for his rather large tribe say it is not their fight.

As I often noted, this is an Islamic world with competing interpretations of Islam in conflict. Muslim sects have been at war for centuries and do not feel inclined to call a global council and decide it is allowable to have different views as long as a secular rights plan is decided on.

 

But that does not happen because of the farcical view of all sides that Islam is incorrigible and the other person's interpretation of it is flawed.Further, there is universal rejection of law grounded in reason outside the Koran.

 

ISIS grew out of the space allowed it by SUNNI tribes. 35 thousand do not grow to over come 16 million that easily. The Sunni tribes feel they are getting back at the Shia.Again it is a civil war within the religion expressing it self in the barbarism we see.

 

Christian states fought Hitler and Hirohito to the annihilation of the ideology of the Reich and Japan.These states were all united with one goal despite having different religious interpretation of creed. ISIS is no less corrupt or anti others than Hitler or Hirohito. There is no uproar in the muslim world against their barbarity. Turkey won't help the Kurds on their borders even if they could. Saudis are silent and they should have a lot to say. Iran is opportunistic and see this struggle as to their advantage.

 

While they are disunited in how to approach barbarity in their midst there is lots of finger pointing to the infidel west that as the source of their problems.  

 

The only thing jingoistic in all this is the idea that there is not a worm in the core of Islam and interpretations of islam. There is absolute rejection that the text here can ever inform horrific acts as these people are doing. Well, those who do these crimes say so.

Which general population?  

Btw, look at the idiocy of Jordanian actions....Al Quaeda is fighting ISIS for control, so Jordan executed Al Quaeda operatives, hehehe, pretty smart! I always say Fullahs are a smart bunch

Did you read the part where I lost my mom to my dad? I wonder if this was before or after I buss my brother's head with a brick.

 

"Well! Is the gentleman right or wrong in seying so. He even went on to say Eve was in East Africa and Adam went there to re-claim her from Cain. He brought her back in the vicinity of the Garden of Eden."

Your belief that I care if it is Islam or Christianity or any religion there would be a difference! They are all corrupt anti modern tomes. Christianity is redemptive in that it does not evoke as incorrigible its Numbers and Leviticus precepts. They admit it does not serve our modern reality.

 

I am in a tizzy that we do not gass their behinds because that is what they would do to us if the get a chance. I, at this moment, have no restriction as to the methodology for removing these human vermin from our midst. If napalm helps, take it out of storage just make sure that they are gone.

 

The reality is the modern world cannot let them live. Be it today or tomorrow or next year, they are going to be killed. That is their reality. It is not an islamic thing, It is the awful way in which muslims refuse to accept that their religion can produce these demon spawn. Well, it did, these came off the muslim street. Note well I did not say this cannot come out of another religion or even a secular creed predicating some sort of genetic superiority. I am saying that now, this is an example of human degeneracy and the source is a religion.

there you have it

 

essentially, ISIS/ISIL is the barbaric Sunni frankenstein deployed in a tactical war between Muslim states/tribes in the Levant

 

they are not on track to [re]establish any Caliphate . . . let us not overstate

...unleashed by the elimination of Saddam Hussein...don't forget that.

My problem with this reaction is why did it not happen when they were doing it to the Yadzis?

I do not know that you decide that these are Muslims or not. They lived their entire lives in a Muslim state and are of a Muslim culture and tradition. These are Sunnis from the region. Bhagdadi is Jordanian. You cannot disown them because they turned bestial.

 

ISIL does not have me anyplace than it has you. Get on a plane and Karimulla would not evoke less of a cavity search than me with a christian name. You are brown like me and a suspect whether you like it or not. I cannot forget after 9/11 I was in a bagel shop and wore a skull cap made of jeans fabric and the owner saying he dont care for Muslims. Do you think you would have fared better? Get real. ISIS is a disease and all of us are affected by it.

Muslim or not, there has to be a way to get rid of them

Send the women soldiers after those fag boys.

Who says anyone want to get rid of them? 

You may think this is a cause for fun and your irony is what disgusts most. They are there because the west let them. The Muslim world cannot stop them. They will be stopped and then your irony which is in a way support for then, will turn to complaint that the infidel west is killing Muslims. Raqqa and Mosul will be dust worse than Dresden was in WWII and in less time and more completely. Millions will die. And as I said there will be a general rending of clothes and a wailing on sackcloth as to the horrible infidel west defiling muslim lands!

Utter rubbish kari.

You want for me to come over there and beat you up nuh? hehehe I'll bring the other two who you and chief been fighting with a while back,with me to assist in picking you up.

thousands anonymous (mostly muslim) have been butchered by these blood cultists without comparable "reaction" . . . why is that surprising given the standards of barbarism in the region's wars?

 

this one was given the Hollywood treatment . . . why?

 

in a word, "symbolism" . . . this guy is from a well-known family and, as a pilot in the Royal Jordanian Air Force, directly connected to the prestige of Jordan's ruling elite

Bro, the west will have to go in. Presently, we do not have a heart for it and the present administration is not pushing it. But the republicans are going to hammer the democrats on foreign policy failure and drum up the call to arms. If another bush gets in the bombs will fall. If Ms Clinton gets in, she may not have any choice either. Anyway you look at it those fellows have an expiration date.

       
       
The operatives who were executed today by Jordan were from Al Qaeda in Iraq which is now merged with ISIS. So they didn't execute the wrong people. However, they have to up the ante in the fight against ISIS. It looks like all the countries in that region are sitting around waiting for the U.S. to do the heavy lifting. The pilot's execution should be a wake up call for them.

The West doesn't want ISIS stopped.

ISIS is essential to their economic and security interests.  Also Israel's interest.

And it was the symbolism of the Kurds dying by the thousands on the mountains in the cold at Christmas that got the no fly zone up in Iraq. It is momentum here with the mustard gassing by Saddam that pushed us into Iraq. The reasons offered officially may be spurious but the drive to disarm him and to search every basement in the state for WMD was all a part of the ritual to war. The Neocons may also have other reasons but Saddam was ISIS of the era and not an innocent. Note in the past you only have to insult a duke to start a world war!

 

There is a march to war here and it is coming. Whatever the reasons that catalyzes  it,  the moment it is already a done deal in the minds of most. The plans are being drawn up, the arsenal inventoried and the equipment are being moved into place. Even the logistics is already mapped out. We are waiting the moment and that moment is inevitable as rain.

 

 

 

 

Storm, you dodged the response to your untruth denying the big helping hand the Sunni tribes gave the U.S. in helping to turn the tide in 2006. This is not unlike the helping hand given in Afghanistan to keep the Taliban at bay. 

 

You our seem to miss the point that iSIL is comprised of all the Generals, Colonels, former Ministers and leaders of Saddam's regime who joined with Al Qaeda in Iraq (and later split from them) whom GW Bush helped pushed out when he gave a mulligan to Shiite Maliki. How do you think they got all those oil sales after capturing the oil fields? They don have Al Qarda's international reach or ambitions. This is why Obama made the varsity comment in referring to ISIL. We're fighting a larger war and now Jordan's tribes have joined the tribal warfare there. 

 

You our know little of the types of warfare going on in the Middle East. You know little of the dynamics there and what US troops can and cannot do. You don't seem to understand the history there. I respect your atheism and belief in US military frightening prowess, but you disrespect reality 

, history and truth. Why?

Reuters report

 

In early February, al Qaeda’s central leadership announced that it had severed ties with the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), an affiliate in Iraq and Syria. This step came at some cost of reputation for al Qaeda, but it will serve al Qaeda’s interests far better than maintaining a relationship with an affiliate that subverted al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri and damaged the terrorist group’s image. Now that ISIS is disowned, its own reputation is in peril, with potentially devastating consequences. In the weeks and months to come, the United States would be wise to use the rift between al Qaeda and ISIS to promote its own interests in Syria and Iraq.

 

 

The move wasn’t particularly surprising: over the years, there have been many signs that the relationship between al Qaeda Central (AQC) and the group’s strongest, most unruly franchise was strained.

 

That is the conspiracy machine in motion. ISIS is a threat to Lebanon, Jordon, The dictators in the gulf states, Iran and the Saudis and the Turks. The Israelis are also in their path given they have eyes on the Golan heights and have already infiltrated the Sinai. Even Egypt is not immune. They are seeding  the anger of all the disaffected of the region from Gaza to Yemen so this is not to the benefit of Israel.

 

There is no security to interests for any either. I am sure the cavity searches and the money lost to crank calls to airplanes and airport with ISIS signature does not mean we are safer. These people are as a virus and viral infection are easily spread. No one is safe and no one's economic interest is furthered by these people

Do you really know American politics? Do you know Jeb Bush's proclivity on actions in the Mid-East or Hillary's?

 

it's not about the American public's stomach or lack thereof for a major Mid-East engagement. It's about getting the Arabs to right their civil wars. The British in the early 1900s set the stage with the boundaries they drew. g W Bush added fuel and Obama is smart about dousing this Fire.

 

this is much ado about nothing for us Americans. The Europeans will have more of the crap from these copycat jihadists. Stop being so smart pants about events there.

indeed! ISIS offered to bargain the release of Sajida al-Rishawi for the Japanese man executed in the video released last week

I missed nothing. You chose that as a refutation to something that was not necessary. I am not blank to the fact the US left them arms hoping they will secure their interest in a unitary state. That those arms are now in the hands of ISIS means they ( whatever Sunni collective composing it) capitulated for a reason and morphed into ISIS and I stated the reason; internecine tribal war.

 

I am not interested in detailing the minutia of what is what was  going since I am not interested in fabricating an excuse or placing the blame of their origination on the west rather than squarely where it belongs. I care for what they are...a disease needing a cure and there is only one and we already have it

 

You presume too much also as to my understanding of the region but that is the convenient refuge; appeal to superior knowledge supposedly predicating events unknown that buttresses arguments unmade.

 

And yes I respect US military might because it is fearsome and indeed dreadful. They have not used their full range of armaments against any to date and that would not be a discretion by t he other side had they these weapons at their disposal.

 

I also have no qualms that in the end all will be right with the world. Out of the debris will come the same backward creed doing to itself and attempting to do to the world what it has always done.

I am quite sure I am informed as you are on what is the reality in the US.  Jeb is a conservative republican with some left wing beliefs but he cannot tilt out of the conservative zone in this election to gain the nomination much less win. The republicans, are gearing up to leverage foreign policy failures on the democrats and they will use Obama supposed failure to arm some nebulous western leaning Syrian group as instrumental to the growth of ISIS and the other fringe groups. Democrats also will tilt to the use of force.

 

Where in the world is there a righting of Lybia or Syria or Iraq without international intervention? Yemen is also in this mix. There is no rational element in any of these states and all are cascading as Somalia did into ethnic factionalism and religious fanaticism.

 

Europe will only move with the US  and NATO is for all intents and purpose facing the southern flanks of the Mediterranean as its source of worry other than Putin

not sure what the Kurds and other pretexts have to do with my post . . . i was simply placing your "yadzis" lament in context

 

but since you went there . . . i could not disagree more with your comparison of Saddam with a non-state actor like ISIL

I have lost the connection between the various comments. What exactly are we discussing now?

.......that Storm knows little about (a) US politics, and (b) the Middle East.

Me beatin up kari

or is it you are again touting you supposed great wisdom in these things as a refutation to what I stated? In any event. I am sure this is a Muslim on Muslim struggle with various interpretations of Islam and that the US would be needed to broker the struggle not the quarrel by wiping out ISIL.

Oh rass..I thought stormy was about to say "wipe out the Muslims"

 

Dats when fite would bruk out.

I don't how all y'all people manage to get cavity searches. I agree that we have less freedom at the airports than we used to and I do miss them. I also agree that we can all thank the terrorists for taking away that freedom. But while I only travel a few times per year I don't feel that I am looked at with any real suspicions. In fact on my lady trip through Reagan National my family and I went right by through the prescreen entry shoes on and all. We don't even have pre screen documents. Anyway y'all can keep y'all cavity searches to y'all selves.

You worrying me here with dat trip banna.

Meant to write last trip bai. Damn iPhone auto correct shit.

symbolism that started a war...these may be trans state actors but they are part and parcel of the same internecine struggle between Shia and Sunni and the are fighting for and because of policies in a state. Those sunnis will say they represent are are representatives of Iraq their name withstanding.