"Without elaborating, Jagdeo added, “We know about the stealing, the stealing took place on a massive scale but that’s not the only reason we are in opposition today and we need to fix those too.”

Stealing was a reference to the PPP/C claim that the 2015 general election was rigged.

Suh why Jagdeo use the word "stealing" instead of "rigging"

sentence well crafted,depends on  it's analysis.

Looks like VVP called SN to correct the interpretation.

Django posted:

"Without elaborating, Jagdeo added, “We know about the stealing, the stealing took place on a massive scale but that’s not the only reason we are in opposition today and we need to fix those too.”

Stealing was a reference to the PPP/C claim that the 2015 general election was rigged.

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Suh why Jagdeo use the word "stealing" instead of "rigging"

sentence well crafted,depends on  it's analysis.

Looks like VVP called SN to correct the interpretation.

Y'all must always listen to VVP.  The man couldn't be that dumb.

VVP posted:

 

 

Y'all must always listen to VVP.  The man couldn't be that dumb.

I've been waiting to see how Jagdeo resolves this.

Where's Priya Manickchand?  Frank/Anil would make a good presidential candidate for the PPP.  Frank would win with popularity.  Let's gear up for 2020!! 

alena06 posted:

Where's Priya Manickchand?  Frank/Anil would make a good presidential candidate for the PPP.  Frank would win with popularity.  Let's gear up for 2020!! 

What is Frank popular for?  At least everyone respects Anil for his brains!  I have never seen any position advocated by Frank.  Pls share if you have.

VVP posted:

alena06 posted:

Where's Priya Manickchand?  Frank/Anil would make a good presidential candidate for the PPP.  Frank would win with popularity.  Let's gear up for 2020!! 

What is Frank popular for?  At least everyone respects Anil for his brains!  I have never seen any position advocated by Frank.  Pls share if you have.

Frank has spearheaded and implemented numerous initiatives as Sports Minister - he was capable of much more but was assigned the Sports Ministry.  He has served the PPP tirelessly, for many years and has an unblemished record. Anil is no doubt smart, but I think Frank connects better with the average Guyanese and that is a key advantage. Last elections campaign he worked with Jagdeo and Ramotar in meeting face to face with the people and connecting with them all over Guyana. 

alena06 posted:

Where's Priya Manickchand?  Frank/Anil would make a good presidential candidate for the PPP.  Frank would win with popularity.  Let's gear up for 2020!! 

Manickchand, Sam Hinds, and others are Civic.  Not PPP.

alena06 posted:

VVP posted:

alena06 posted:

Where's Priya Manickchand?  Frank/Anil would make a good presidential candidate for the PPP.  Frank would win with popularity.  Let's gear up for 2020!! 

What is Frank popular for?  At least everyone respects Anil for his brains!  I have never seen any position advocated by Frank.  Pls share if you have.

Frank has spearheaded and implemented numerous initiatives as Sports Minister - he was capable of much more but was assigned the Sports Ministry.  He has served the PPP tirelessly, for many years and has an unblemished record. Anil is no doubt smart, but I think Frank connects better with the average Guyanese and that is a key advantage. Last elections campaign he worked with Jagdeo and Ramotar in meeting face to face with the people and connecting with them all over Guyana. 

The entire population knows of and respects Anil's brains even people who are not PPP.  He makes the current AG looks like a jackass which he is.

Anthony is an "emotional" choice.  He is not ready for prime time.

Anil and Basil is like Day and night!!!!!!!!!!!! Basil night since he is a Jumbie!!!!!!!!!

VVP posted:

Django posted:

"Without elaborating, Jagdeo added, “We know about the stealing, the stealing took place on a massive scale but that’s not the only reason we are in opposition today and we need to fix those too.”

Stealing was a reference to the PPP/C claim that the 2015 general election was rigged.

---

 

Suh why Jagdeo use the word "stealing" instead of "rigging"

sentence well crafted,depends on  it's analysis.

Looks like VVP called SN to correct the interpretation.

Y'all must always listen to VVP.  The man couldn't be that dumb.

Mr. Gilbakka, you saw this right?

VVP posted:

VVP posted:

Django posted:

"Without elaborating, Jagdeo added, “We know about the stealing, the stealing took place on a massive scale but that’s not the only reason we are in opposition today and we need to fix those too.”

Stealing was a reference to the PPP/C claim that the 2015 general election was rigged.

---

 

Suh why Jagdeo use the word "stealing" instead of "rigging"

sentence well crafted,depends on  it's analysis.

Looks like VVP called SN to correct the interpretation.

Y'all must always listen to VVP.  The man couldn't be that dumb.

Mr. Gilbakka, you saw this right?

Yes, I did. But I'm waiting for Mr Jagdeo himself to clarify exactly what he meant. In my mind there is some ambiguity since he called upon the party delegates to honestly examine what they did that contributed to loss of power. Anyway, it's not a big issue for me.  

Gilbakka posted:

VVP posted:

VVP posted:

Django posted:

"Without elaborating, Jagdeo added, “We know about the stealing, the stealing took place on a massive scale but that’s not the only reason we are in opposition today and we need to fix those too.”

Stealing was a reference to the PPP/C claim that the 2015 general election was rigged.

---

 

Suh why Jagdeo use the word "stealing" instead of "rigging"

sentence well crafted,depends on  it's analysis.

Looks like VVP called SN to correct the interpretation.

Y'all must always listen to VVP.  The man couldn't be that dumb.

Mr. Gilbakka, you saw this right?

Yes, I did. But I'm waiting for Mr Jagdeo himself to clarify exactly what he meant. In my mind there is some ambiguity since he called upon the party delegates to honestly examine what they did that contributed to loss of power. Anyway, it's not a big issue for me.  

Why wait for Jagdeo to clarify when it is stated clearly that "Stealing was a reference to the PPP/C claim that the 2015 general election was rigged."  I thought it was a big issue for you...never mind.

VVP posted: 

  

Why wait for Jagdeo to clarify when it is stated clearly that "Stealing was a reference to the PPP/C claim that the 2015 general election was rigged."  I thought it was a big issue for you...never mind.

You know, VVP, after rereading and ruminating on those disputed lines of Mr Jagdeo's I am now admitting that I misinterpreted them. And I withdraw the associated comments.

So, Mr Jagdeo was talking about massive stealing of votes, a matter which he urged congress delegates to consider in an honest assessment of why the PPP lost power. Why then was he silent on the burning issues of corruption and cronyism under the PPP regime?

I know I'm now raising a marabunta nest, but right here in this forum some PPP supporters openly said "yes, dem thief lil bit but de country was progressing" or words to that effect. In my opinion, if the PPP leadership is unwilling to take the bull by the horns, admit some wrongdoings and take steps to prevent recurrence if they regain power, I for one shall be disappointed.

Gilbakka posted:

VVP posted: 

  

Why wait for Jagdeo to clarify when it is stated clearly that "Stealing was a reference to the PPP/C claim that the 2015 general election was rigged."  I thought it was a big issue for you...never mind.

You know, VVP, after rereading and ruminating on those disputed lines of Mr Jagdeo's I am now admitting that I misinterpreted them. And I withdraw the associated comments.

So, Mr Jagdeo was talking about massive stealing of votes, a matter which he urged congress delegates to consider in an honest assessment of why the PPP lost power. Why then was he silent on the burning issues of corruption and cronyism under the PPP regime?

I know I'm now raising a marabunta nest, but right here in this forum some PPP supporters openly said "yes, dem thief lil bit but de country was progressing" or words to that effect. In my opinion, if the PPP leadership is unwilling to take the bull by the horns, admit some wrongdoings and take steps to prevent recurrence if they regain power, I for one shall be disappointed.

Gill,

Unfortunately, many grass root Guyanese think it is okay for politicians to be corrupt.  I am sure you talk to many.  This needs to change, people need to understand how corrupt governments hurt them...mostly the poor people.

I would find it difficult to believe the PPP would change.  

Jagdeo cannot run again for the Presidency.  He is stifling a younger party leader from gaining some experience in Leadership.

VVP posted:

Gill,

Unfortunately, many grass root Guyanese think it is okay for politicians to be corrupt.  I am sure you talk to many.  This needs to change, people need to understand how corrupt governments hurt them...mostly the poor people.

I would find it difficult to believe the PPP would change.  

A whole generation or two in Guyana have grown up to believe that corruption is as natural as breast milk. I had hoped for a clean break from that cycle shortly after APNU+AFC took command of the country but there is ample evidence to show that I hoped against hope. Sometimes I want to slap my head for investing so much of my finite time on Guyana politics. Science fiction might give me some happiness in my old age.

Gilly, you seriously was hoping for a clear break with the PNC?? I mean no insult but that is no different than thinking a Drunk will not ask for a drink tomorrow.

No wonder people see Corruption as business as usual.

BJ is clearly the most popular politician in the PPP, if not Guyana.  He needs to use his clout not only to safeguard the fortunes of the party, the supporters and the nation as a whole.  His best contribution to the people would be grooming a few young successors who will take the mate and give the people choices.

We idolized CBJ and saw no one else until he died.  This should not be the model, biology should not have to impose succession planning!

VVP posted:

Gill,

Unfortunately, many grass root Guyanese think it is okay for politicians to be corrupt.  I am sure you talk to many.  This needs to change, people need to understand how corrupt governments hurt them...mostly the poor people.

I would find it difficult to believe the PPP would change.  

Mr VVP, it's not as simple as that.  In the AFC, we carried that mantra in all earnest to the people in 2011, and it did not work.

The two main races of Guyana are consumed by ethnic insecurity and gravitate to the two poles as a means of protection.  It's not about who is more or less corrupt, not in Guyana.  And this is not as issue only of Guyana, but it is a very strong for in Guyana (talk to Caribj).

Only the PPP and PNC can bring about the change Guyana needs, it has to be those two.  No funny business 3rd-rail party as you suggested with ABC, CIA, etc on another thread will work!  That may sound nice on paper, but it's not a realistic scenario and dead on arrival!

With the loss by the PPP, Granger and the PNC have an historic opportunity to demonstrate to the people of Guyana that ethnicity will not be paramount.  They have partially squandered that opportunity with the way their AFC contingent was handled and the way certain senior PPP Indian Civil Service officials were handed.

The real test however, will come in 2020 when elections are held.  In a perverse way, the greatest opportunity will be presented to the PNC in a losing scenario.  If they lose and decide not to revert to the much feared old tactics and peacefully take a back seat, the pressure will be on the PPP to run a clean and more accountable Govt.  Ethno-centric politics will begin to fray at the edges.

The PNC are the ones with the key being they are the one with control over the security forces.  The other heroes, again in a perverse way, could be the GDF should the leadership not allow that institution to become an instrument of oppression once again.

The people of Guyana will respond in a unifying way should they believe their votes, will and fears are fully appreciated and respected by the political machinery and the key institutions and define and provide that sense of nationhood.

You may claim to know the technocratic complexities of the inner workings of Govt, but that is not, and never was, the issue.  You clearly do not know the workings of the minds of the people of Guyana.

If you want a lesson on where knowledge of the inner workings of Govt don't matter, but understanding the fears and insecurity of the people and reaching into their minds, think Donald Trump!  He has provided the world a lesson on what really matters!

ba$eman posted:

VVP posted:

Gill,

Unfortunately, many grass root Guyanese think it is okay for politicians to be corrupt.  I am sure you talk to many.  This needs to change, people need to understand how corrupt governments hurt them...mostly the poor people.

I would find it difficult to believe the PPP would change.  

With the loss by the PPP, Granger and the PNC have an historic opportunity to demonstrate to the people of Guyana that ethnicity will not be paramount.  They have partially squandered that opportunity with the way their AFC contingent was handled and the way certain senior PPP Indian Civil Service officials were handed.

 

Never heard the PNC used any phrase they are "solidifying their base" [if iam wrong point it out] their base numbers  alone can't make them win at the polls,hence they are a more inclusive party.

The current  PPP party  is pushing divisions in the country by using the their mantra of "solidifying their base" what  message is that sending to the people on the other side of the fence ?

Why the onus should be on the PNC and not the current PPP,

Granger extend the olive branch to the PPP,so far no serious response from them,

the reasons why Baby Kong thinks he have all the answers to make Guyana a better place.

Guyana will be a doomed place if the people does show the two pea of the same pod who holds the power.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

alena06 posted:

Where's Priya Manickchand?  Frank/Anil would make a good presidential candidate for the PPP.  Frank would win with popularity.  Let's gear up for 2020!! 

Manickchand, Sam Hinds, and others are Civic.  Not PPP.

So they are like the Dalits in the hierarchy.

ba$eman posted:

VVP posted:

Gill,

Unfortunately, many grass root Guyanese think it is okay for politicians to be corrupt.  I am sure you talk to many.  This needs to chanresistante need to understand how corrupt governments hurt them...mostly the poor people.

I would find it difficult to believe the PPP would change.  

Mr VVP, it's not as simple as that.  In the AFC, we carried that mantra in all earnest to the people in 2011, and it did not work.

The two main races of Guyana are consumed by ethnic insecurity and gravitate to the two poles as a means of protection.  It's not about who is more or less corrupt, not in Guyana.  And this is not as issue only of Guyana, but it is a very strong for in Guyana (talk to Caribj).

Only the PPP and PNC can bring about the change Guyana needs, it has to be those two.  No funny business 3rd-rail party as you suggested with ABC, CIA, etc on another thread will work!  That may sound nice on paper, but it's not a realistic scenario and dead on arrival!

With the loss by the PPP, Granger and the PNC have an historic opportunity to demonstrate to the people of Guyana that ethnicity will not be paramount.  They have partially squandered that opportunity with the way their AFC contingent was handled and the way certain senior PPP Indian Civil Service officials were handed.

The real test however, will come in 2020 when elections are held.  In a perverse way, the greatest opportunity will be presented to the PNC in a losing scenario.  If they lose and decide not to revert to the much feared old tactics and peacefully take a back seat, the pressure will be on the PPP to run a clean and more accountable Govt.  Ethno-centric politics will begin to fray at the edges.

The PNC are the ones with the key being they are the one with control over the security forces.  The other heroes, again in a perverse way, could be the GDF should the leadership not allow that institution to become an instrument of oppression once again.

The people of Guyana will respond in a unifying way should they believe their votes, will and fears are fully appreciated and respected by the political machinery and the key institutions and define and provide that sense of nationhood.

You may claim to know the technocratic complexities of the inner workings of Govt, but that is not, and never was, the issue.  You clearly do not know the workings of the minds of the people of Guyana.

If you want a lesson on where knowledge of the inner workings of Govt don't matter, but understanding the fears and insecurity of the people and reaching into their minds, think Donald Trump!  He has provided the world a lesson on what really matters!

You made this argument before and I must say it is reasonable.

The flaw is that you think Guyanese people are resistant to change.  History has shown that under the right conditions people will choose what is better for them.  Education is the thing that gets it done.  

Why do you think Rodney was successful in getting a following from both races?

Why do you think FDR was able to provide hope to the people of America immediately after assuming the Presidency?

Why do you think Bloomberg was able to win the mayor race 3 times in overwhelming Democrat NYC.

People are people they make the best choice they believe will further their interest when given the choice.

It already expected that under CURRENT condtions black will not show up to vote for the PNC in 2020.  They will stay home and let the PPP win.

VVP posted:

ba$eman posted:

Mr VVP, it's not as simple as that.  In the AFC, we carried that mantra in all earnest to the people in 2011, and it did not work.

The two main races of Guyana are consumed by ethnic insecurity and gravitate to the two poles as a means of protection.  It's not about who is more or less corrupt, not in Guyana.  And this is not as issue only of Guyana, but it is a very strong for in Guyana (talk to Caribj).

Only the PPP and PNC can bring about the change Guyana needs, it has to be those two.  No funny business 3rd-rail party as you suggested with ABC, CIA, etc on another thread will work!  That may sound nice on paper, but it's not a realistic scenario and dead on arrival!

With the loss by the PPP, Granger and the PNC have an historic opportunity to demonstrate to the people of Guyana that ethnicity will not be paramount.  They have partially squandered that opportunity with the way their AFC contingent was handled and the way certain senior PPP Indian Civil Service officials were handed.

The real test however, will come in 2020 when elections are held.  In a perverse way, the greatest opportunity will be presented to the PNC in a losing scenario.  If they lose and decide not to revert to the much feared old tactics and peacefully take a back seat, the pressure will be on the PPP to run a clean and more accountable Govt.  Ethno-centric politics will begin to fray at the edges.

The PNC are the ones with the key being they are the one with control over the security forces.  The other heroes, again in a perverse way, could be the GDF should the leadership not allow that institution to become an instrument of oppression once again.

The people of Guyana will respond in a unifying way should they believe their votes, will and fears are fully appreciated and respected by the political machinery and the key institutions and define and provide that sense of nationhood.

You may claim to know the technocratic complexities of the inner workings of Govt, but that is not, and never was, the issue.  You clearly do not know the workings of the minds of the people of Guyana.

If you want a lesson on where knowledge of the inner workings of Govt don't matter, but understanding the fears and insecurity of the people and reaching into their minds, think Donald Trump!  He has provided the world a lesson on what really matters!

You made this argument before and I must say it is reasonable.

The flaw is that you think Guyanese people are resistant to change.  History has shown that under the right conditions people will choose what is better for them.  Education is the thing that gets it done.  

Why do you think Rodney was successful in getting a following from both races?

Why do you think FDR was able to provide hope to the people of America immediately after assuming the Presidency?

Why do you think Bloomberg was able to win the mayor race 3 times in overwhelming Democrat NYC.

People are people they make the best choice they believe will further their interest when given the choice.

It already expected that under CURRENT condtions black will not show up to vote for the PNC in 2020.  They will stay home and let the PPP win.

VVP, don't throw in FDR, it's irrelevant for the Guyana situation.

Yes, Rodney did have a certain appeal.  I was a youth running behind him in front Guyana Stores.  We can theorize and project as he never really stood for election.  He also had a certain leftist appeal which found a following with UG youths.

The real more recent test was the AFC headed by an Indian and an Afro.  When the Afro was top of the ticket, the party pulled significant Afro votes.  In 2011 when an Indian was head of the ticket, Afros "went home" and Indian youths felt tricked!  I was with the AFC at that time and knew all the assumptions we made as far as ethnic voting and the AFC.  We were sorely disappointed.

As for the assumption of Blacks staying at home and "let the PPP win".  Well, my view, that's a pipe dream.  Race sensitivities will kick in and Blacks will protect the PNC power base as Oil will be in sight.  Blacks will not "let the PPP win", they never did, never will, they did not do in 1992 so forget it.  If the PNC loses, it will be with a competitive race and maybe the AFC and their supporters jump ship.

The PPP will have to bring in some Afros in leadership roles with appeal and trust in the Afro community and capable of ensuring them their interest and voice will have a place within any PPP Govt dialogue.  There are Blacks not too hot about the PNC as Indians not hot about the PPP.  This has always been the case however, everyone fell into line behind ethnicity when push come to shove.  This spirit is very much alive and well in Guyana today!

Maybe the PPP shoiuld consider a name change, and I would not advice they go the way of the Bharatiya Janata Party!!

The AFC was never seen as a viable alternative to the PPP and PNC.  Not many were willing to support a party that had no chance of winning.

Look at Trump, nobody bbelieved he could have won, but he was able to connect with the illiterates and won even though he lost LOL.

VVP posted:

The AFC was never seen as a viable alternative to the PPP and PNC.  Not many were willing to support a party that had no chance of winning.

Look at Trump, nobody bbelieved he could have won, but he was able to connect with the illiterates and won even though he lost LOL.

That was my point to you on Trump, it's not about knowing the technocratic workings of Govt but all to do with connecting with the people.  No entity or persons from overseas will parachute in and displace the PPP or the PNC.  Forget that!

For a time the AFC was seen as a viable alternative.  Maybe you did not see it because you were not part of it, but many did.  This is why they had pulled a lot in 2011.  I spoke to many Indians then, the older ones switched their votes last minute back to the PPP and they said it was due to the mistrust of the PNC and their constituency, not their liking of the PPP.

You are a joker to think that Trump won because the USA has 62 million illiterates.  If you do think so, then you have a rather contemptuous attitude towards a large swathe of America!  This is exactly why Hillary and her bunch of elitist lost!!  Then again, maybe this is why you think you or yours can parachute in and replace the PNC and PPP using "overt" methods!  It ain't going to happen!

ba$eman posted:

VVP posted:

 

The PNC are the ones with the key being they are the one with control over the security forces. 

Precisely for the reasons that you cite neither the PPP nor the PNC will move away from ethnic voting and ethnically based patronage.  Why? Because both think that its a waste of time to woo people from the other group. Yes they will work with some tokens to pretend that they have broad based appeal.

And in fact the last election was as polarized as ever and you know this. What made the difference was a huge increase in voter turn out on PNC strongholds.  Nagamootoo DID NOT bring Indian votes.  The Indian vote that APNU AFC got was a mainly G/T middle class Indian vote.  I don't think that this is Nagamootoo's constituency.

So in fact to many in the PNC the last election just proved that there is nothing that they can do to win a rural Indian vote.  Hence the prompt marginalization of the Nagamootoo faction of the AFC.

The top 10 vote getters in the recent PPP election were all Indian, or Indian identified people. So where in your little head do you see a reason for non Indians to trust them?   And in fact the pictures of the PPP convention could well have been taken in India, given the ethnic composition of the audience. Clearly disaffection with APNU AFC isn't leading to a new interest in the PPP among blacks.

One doesn't know what 2020 will bring. But what I do know is that it will be as racially polarized an election as any that Guyana has had since 1957!   The deciding factors will be who Amerindians support, and whether the PNC base make good their threat to stay home, feeling that APNU AFC are as bad as the PPP!

ba$eman posted:

 

You are a joker to think that Trump won because the USA has 62 million illiterates. 

And you are a joker who thinks that Trump is popular when in fact more than 65 million voted AGAINST him.

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

The PNC are the ones with the key being they are the one with control over the security forces. 

Precisely for the reasons that you cite neither the PPP nor the PNC will move away from ethnic voting and ethnically based patronage.  Why? Because both think that its a waste of time to woo people from the other group. Yes they will work with some tokens to pretend that they have broad based appeal.

And in fact the last election was as polarized as ever and you know this. What made the difference was a huge increase in voter turn out on PNC strongholds.  Nagamootoo DID NOT bring Indian votes.  The Indian vote that APNU AFC got was a mainly G/T middle class Indian vote.  I don't think that this is Nagamootoo's constituency.

So in fact to many in the PNC the last election just proved that there is nothing that they can do to win a rural Indian vote.  Hence the prompt marginalization of the Nagamootoo faction of the AFC.

 

The top 10 vote getters in the recent PPP election were all Indian, or Indian identified people. So where in your little head do you see a reason for non Indians to trust them?   And in fact the pictures of the PPP convention could well have been taken in India, given the ethnic composition of the audience. Clearly disaffection with APNU AFC isn't leading to a new interest in the PPP among blacks.

One doesn't know what 2020 will bring. But what I do know is that it will be as racially polarized an election as any that Guyana has had since 1957!   The deciding factors will be who Amerindians support, and whether the PNC base make good their threat to stay home, feeling that APNU AFC are as bad as the PPP!

You talk too much to ever hear anything.  You take one line of my post totally out of context.  I said this is the reason why the PNC is in the position to demonstrate that true democracy is possible.  If they do not revert to these old methods and concede gracefully, it will erode the ethnic security concerns.  You can bet, the PPP constituency will not tolerate anything from the PPP.  Both parties will always have a core base however, you will see the evolution of a swing component!

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

 

You are a joker to think that Trump won because the USA has 62 million illiterates. 

And you are a joker who thinks that Trump is popular when in fact more than 65 million voted AGAINST him.

That was not the point of my comment.  VVP insinuations are the US has 62 million illiterates!  And that is not counting Obama's inner-city illiterate welfare constituency who stuck with Hillary.

ba$eman posted:

 

You talk too much to ever hear anything.  You take one line of my post totally out of context.  I said this is the reason why the PNC is in the position to demonstrate that true democracy is possible.  If they do not revert to these old methods and concede gracefully, it will erode the ethnic security concerns.  You can bet, the PPP constituency will not tolerate anything from the PPP.  Both parties will always have a core base however, you will see the evolution of a swing component!

1. History has shown that the PPP constituency tolerate what ever the PPP elite tell them to tolerate.

2. The onus is on BOTH to change. One cannot change unless the other does, so why should it be only the PNC. As it is much of the PNC base fear that the party has been taken over by the Indo elites through corruption.

ba$eman posted:

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

 

You are a joker to think that Trump won because the USA has 62 million illiterates. 

And you are a joker who thinks that Trump is popular when in fact more than 65 million voted AGAINST him.

That was not the point of my comment.  VVP insinuations are the US has 62 million illiterates!  And that is not counting Obama's inner-city illiterate welfare constituency who stuck with Hillary.

You know the funny thing is studies show that welfare people DON'T vote!  That why there is not much political focus on that group.  In fact, it was Bill Clinton who first started to make their lives miserable with the Welfare to Work program.

Base you convincingly me daily that you don't know politics boi.

ba$eman posted:

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

 

You are a joker to think that Trump won because the USA has 62 million illiterates. 

And you are a joker who thinks that Trump is popular when in fact more than 65 million voted AGAINST him.

That was not the point of my comment.  VVP insinuations are the US has 62 million illiterates!  And that is not counting Obama's inner-city illiterate welfare constituency who stuck with Hillary.

Even Trump said that of he were to run for president he would run as a GOP as they are stupid.

Think of this. A bunch of working class people just voted to give billionaires unfettered power, and this becomes obvious even before they assume office.

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

 

You talk too much to ever hear anything.  You take one line of my post totally out of context.  I said this is the reason why the PNC is in the position to demonstrate that true democracy is possible.  If they do not revert to these old methods and concede gracefully, it will erode the ethnic security concerns.  You can bet, the PPP constituency will not tolerate anything from the PPP.  Both parties will always have a core base however, you will see the evolution of a swing component!

1. History has shown that the PPP constituency tolerate what ever the PPP elite tell them to tolerate.

2. The onus is on BOTH to change. One cannot change unless the other does, so why should it be only the PNC. As it is much of the PNC base fear that the party has been taken over by the Indo elites through corruption.

You are not only a racist, but a dumb ass!!

ba$eman posted:

 

You are not only a racist, but a dumb ass!!

Now you could have responded intelligently, explaining why you disagree with my analysis, but you resort to a personal attack.

Clear sign of a man who is losing the argument.

The PPP has people with BRAINS, the PNC gat DONKEY BRAINS.  End of story!!!!!!!!!!

VVP posted:

ba$eman posted:

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

 

You are a joker to think that Trump won because the USA has 62 million illiterates. 

And you are a joker who thinks that Trump is popular when in fact more than 65 million voted AGAINST him.

That was not the point of my comment.  VVP insinuations are the US has 62 million illiterates!  And that is not counting Obama's inner-city illiterate welfare constituency who stuck with Hillary.

You know the funny thing is studies show that welfare people DON'T vote!  That why there is not much political focus on that group.  In fact, it was Bill Clinton who first started to make their lives miserable with the Welfare to Work program.

Base you convincingly me daily that you don't know politics boi.

Don't play the fool, or maybe you cannot help yourself.  I was solely referring to YOUR comment that Trump won because of illiterate Americans.  So, you are referring to 62 Mil Americans as Illiterates.  Banna, you take yourself too seriously!

Welfare people voted in mass for Oba!

Clinton moving them from Welfare to Workfare made their lives miserable!  Banna, you are a joker, put lightly!

ba$eman posted:

VVP posted:

ba$eman posted:

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

 

You are a joker to think that Trump won because the USA has 62 million illiterates. 

And you are a joker who thinks that Trump is popular

Clinton moving them from Welfare to Workfare made their lives miserable!  Banna, you are a joker, put lightly!

Banna your statement above shows how little you know.  Seriously, you come here parroting stuff like you are some smart ass but it is clear you know nothing.

I don't have the time to waste.  Maybe Carinbny or D2 could school you on this.

Baselessman has no interests in  Guyana. He just like being a pesky gadfly looking for attention.