AFC involvement.

WATACK!! DG, THANKS FOR POINTING OUT THE PROBLEM.

The problem is their economic marginalization by the PPP who saw the demise and liquidation of their primary industry and has begun a systematic scheme to install business there with no connection or involvement of the people there or where they are mere hirelings.

What were the conditions during the PNC rule from 1964 to 1992?

you go and stew on that if it bothers you. I am concerned with Ramotar sitting on OMAI board and knowing the sale of the industry to that company for pittance. I care about jagdeo agreeing to the resale for 46 millions when that was what OMAI promised to invest.

Instead they sold at that profit four years later and someone had to be watching or watching and getting kickbacks as it played out. NICIL is yet to tell us what happened to other properties of the company.

I am wondering about what is replacing the industry. If there is any equity afforded lindeners in these subsidized industries ie the two timber company, and other industries merely implanted in the community with intent to extract worth rather than be a part of the community.

I am concerned that lindeners do not simply drag logs to block roadways but organize themselves into social economic consortium that wouid block the implanting of others in their community with no regard for their long standing need to be a part of any development and resource give aways.

Let me tell the truth.  Between 1964 up to around 1980 Linden was one of the richest parts of Guyana.  I remember visiting there in 1980 after G/twn had already begun to fall into an economic morass.  I was surprised about how economically bouyant Linden was.

Mismanagement of the bauxite industry by the PNC led the town to fall into an economic morass FROM WHICH IT HAS NEVER recovered.  Indeed when bauxite workers protested against Burnham they were teargassed and gunned down.  It appears as if nothing ever changes when we see the PPP resorting to the same tactics.

Sam Hinds was a very popular man in Linden during the 80s as he stood up to the Burnham dictatorship,  Sadly he becme a stooge under the PPP, which hasnt even given him the courtesy of allowing him to join them.  He remains in that PPP bantustan that Cheddi set up for AfroGuyanese to ensure that they will never have serious input into the PPP.  Civic has ceased to exist and yet Sam Hinds remains outside of the PPP.

No wonder a town which (togther with Buxton) was virulently anti Burnham and suffered for it now hates the PPP with equal intensity....and is suffering for it.

And for those who claim that the PPP did lots for Linden I look forward to data showing new industries and new job opportunitites.  Instead Lindeners have had to flock to the gold fields and the timber lands to find work as BOSAI employs only a tiny fraction of those who were employed by Guymine.

Seeing this the PPP is determined not to privatize Guysuco, despite its tremendous losses and its gross mismanagement.  They know full well that those in the sugar belt will suffer the same fate as those in the bauxite mines when private owners reduce payroll, shut down unprofitable operations and mechanize activities to reuce labor costs.

Being objective and circumspect are major hurdles for you.

Important to remember.

I lived at McKenzie, as I mentioned on the forum.

Certain members within the AFC agitation group have realized their folly and callous disregard for facts and have quietly backed away.

This guy is devious. In his own roundabout way is he advocating more violence? 

And if you did you would know that Linden was a prosperous town well through the 70s.  It began to collapse when Guybau became Guymine and Burnham micro managed it.

You mean the PPP killing more black people?  Note that the only deaths and injuries have been at the hands of the police who we seen talking to some one in G/twn before the let loose their reign of terror.

What is interesting is that none of you have been able to show a video with police having to duck from objects being tghrown at them, thus having to shoot to protect themselves.  Clearly the violence started with the police.

What is interesting about your response is the seeming objection to Lindeners being more involved in determining what happens in that town.  Why does this offend you I wonder?

Encore...2002-2006.  He was one of those daily/weekly celebrants on this site when Indians were killed. "Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it".

stormborn, AKA D2, was not celebrating that as indeed at the time he was a reluctant PPP supporter who used to argue with me about my claims of PPP/Indo elite racism against blacks.

You at the time were castigating AfroGuyanese as being no different from the warlords of Rwanda and Congo, claiming that we are dirty, uneducated, lazy, and unable to provide for ourselves.

The people who celebrated that have long ceased to post.  Indeed one of them admitted that he was being forced to drink PPP milk and felt angry with himself for being so desperate.

Maybe you have both evolved from that time.

If Burnham was alive and occupied the Presidency, none of the Black Lindeners would have protested because Burnham would send in the GDF under Granger to riddle them down with bullets. That is what I liked about Forbes - a no nonsense President who was consistent. Forbes must be cussing some of the lazy blackman of Linden from his grave saying that they don't know how good they got it.

It is interesting how you are defending someone else when your own house is crumbling in the sands. 

That was meant for Caribjiny

Speak for yourself. We can't show videos if there is none. The violence began with the protestors pelting the police with objects and refusing to leave the bridge. The police read them their rights. Should there have been killings? I don't think so at all. And that is why we will have an enquiry to find out the circumstances etc.  

Correct and correct.

I live at McKenzie from the mid-1940's

The problem with your thinking is that under Burnham Lindeners DID protest and he did shoot them down.  That town then became the hotbed of anti Burnham activity from which emerged many AfroGuyanese who organized against his dictatorship, working with others including the PPP and the WPA, and fought for free and fair elections.

But too locked in your hatred of blacks that you conveniently forgot this fact.

And you didnt leave in the 60s?

a not so closeted Burnham admirer . . .

ahmmm . . . for the record, is your cheerleading confined to crackdown ("riddle them down") pun Blackman, or across the board?

Funny that the only videos that you display FREQUENTLY show the police calmiy standing up.

But I guess you cant show crowd PHYSICAL violence before the police attacked them because you cant show what DID NOT happen.

In 1978 Burnham went to Linden and told the people " Do you want a coolie government?" And the people booed Jagan and said Noooo! Burnham and you lot are a bunch of racists. 

Oh yes I note his love for Burnham.  No wonder he endorses similar behavior from Jagdeo and Ramotar.

It is immaterial when I left McKenzie.

Similarly, it is a non-issue when you left Guyana.

The physical violence was precipated by the pelting of objects. Who pelted them at the police? Who refused to leave the bridge? Go find out.

And every year Jagdeo used to go and yell "you all want black man rule", and the crowd boos.  Janet used to warn about "splitting the vote to allow a PNC victory".  Clearly she meant that Indos should all vote PPP or "black man gun rule" aimed at driving fear down their spines.

Really daily you display that PPP=PNC.  They both appealed to their masses' insecurity to further their own nefarious goals.

But of course you dont seem to question why a multiracial society should be ruled by one race.

So how come you cant show it?  This is 2012 so clearly the technology was there if indeed this happened.

And so the police attempted to kill them because they refuse d to move.  This is one thing that the numerous videos that the PPP has provided shows.

Problem though is that civilized societies dont operate this way.

not disputing the 34 yr old account, but . . . were you there?

and . . . your takeaway is that the generations of Blackman ("you lot") are "a bunch of racists"

hmmm . . .?

Burnham did engage in bottom house anti Indian race baiting as does the PPP engage in anti black race baiting today.

PPP=PNC.

I was there. But that does not matter. You refer to Blackman. The only Blackman I know was Carl Blackman who was the editor of the Chronicle and he was my friend. 

which is my point . . . I asked him whether he was there since many, like Baseman, have denied that such things occur @ PPP bottom house meetings and, absurdly, ask for proof . . . video/audiotape and/or 'notarized' 1st hand accounts, smh

Well, I don't know nor I deny anything.  What I would say, the PPP "bottom house" did not go too well as they lost their majority while the PNC constituency came out in "support" of the AFC but voted PNC.  Talk about "bottom-house".

What is your point? Be specific. No one is interested in giving you notarized anything. As Papa Hoyte would say this give and take all comes with the 'cut and thrust' of politics. So there. 

This is meant for Redux.

Quite telling . . . smh

BTW, the rest of your post is irrelevant.

Banna, I hear, I am not there, so who am I to deny.  What I say is relevant as it's circumstantial evidence that the PNC seemed to have been more effective, if it did happen.  You may find it irrelevant as it tells you what you may not like to hear or admit.  But regardless how you chose to see it or not, we know what we see and you cannot change that fact.