el presidente is swearing him in tonight.
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Former Member
The new GECOM Chairman is not from BJ's list.
Former Member
Is this good, bad or indifferent?
Former Member
8:30PM is swear-in time.
I was about to ask the same question Ksa
Former Member
It's what I expected from the beginning and end with Granger's pick.
Granger mek 'e eyes pass BJ.
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Granger to swear in James Patterson as GECOM chairman
-unilateral decision made
October 19,2017
This story is developing and will be updated.
President David Granger is to swear in a Chairman of GECOM tonight, according to an advisory from the Ministry of the Presidency.
A decision was arrived at following a meeting between Granger and Opposition Leader, Bharrat Jagdeo today.
It comes after months of deadlock between the two over the choice. Stabroek News has been told that the person chosen is retired Justice James Patterson, 84. His name was not on the three lists submitted by Jagdeo. Sources say that Jagdeo did not agree with Pattersonâs name and it would in effect mean that Granger has made a unilateral decision. Patterson chaired the Commission of Inquiry into last yearâs prison fire that killed 17 prisoners.
President David Granger (right) and Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo during an earlier meeting on the GECOM Chairman.
Former Member
The slop can boys won once again as they impose dictatorship on he nation. Now our benevolent jackass pick an 84 year old who may not live to see 2020.
Former Member
The dude is 84 years old. Is there no one under 50 looking for work in Guyana? People at 84 are supposed to be retired and enjoying their retirement.
Former Member
What came of the COI that Patterson chaired last year?
Former Member
Granger didn't wasted a minute to swear in the new GECOM Chairman. This pick can go beyond any stretch of imagination where the next election stands. I am waiting to hear what Jagdeo have to say.
Today I had a discussion with my cousin and told him Granger have the power not pick the GECOM Chairman from the list Jagdeo submitted,not because the PPP did that,Granger is obliged to do so,he was mad with me,i told him the Constitution of Guyana gives too much power to the President.
I knew all along Granger will use this power and nominate some one of his own choice.The game begins from now to 2020.
Drugb posted:The slop can boys won once again as they impose dictatorship on he nation. Now our benevolent jackass pick an 84 year old who may not live to see 2020.
Me thinks you need to be more civil in your discourse,were you hanging out at the back of Stabroek Market,you live in first world country change some of your dirty habits.
Former Member
Drugb posted:The slop can boys won once again as they impose dictatorship on he nation. Now our benevolent jackass pick an 84 year old who may not live to see 2020.
The PNC won and it's not election yet. You have much to learn.
Former Member
Django posted:Today I had a discussion with my cousin and told him Granger have the power not pick the GECOM Chairman from the list Jagdeo submitted,not because the PPP did that,Granger is obliged to do so,he was mad with me,i told him the Constitution of Guyana gives too much power to the President.
I knew all along Granger will use this power and nominate some one of his own choice.The game begins from now to 2020.
Only problem is that this government had promised the Guyanese people that they will be different.
Cobra posted:Drugb posted:The slop can boys won once again as they impose dictatorship on he nation. Now our benevolent jackass pick an 84 year old who may not live to see 2020.
The PNC won and it's not election yet. You have much to learn.
Yugiski and Drugb are the "slow boy" and "dull boy"
ksazma posted:Django posted:Today I had a discussion with my cousin and told him Granger have the power not pick the GECOM Chairman from the list Jagdeo submitted,not because the PPP did that,Granger is obliged to do so,he was mad with me,i told him the Constitution of Guyana gives too much power to the President.
I knew all along Granger will use this power and nominate some one of his own choice.The game begins from now to 2020.
Only problem is that this government had promised the Guyanese people that they will be different.
True,
the people have to start a movement for Constitutional Amendments to reduce the power of the President,I have been saying this for awhile.
Former Member
Django posted:ksazma posted:Django posted:Today I had a discussion with my cousin and told him Granger have the power not pick the GECOM Chairman from the list Jagdeo submitted,not because the PPP did that,Granger is obliged to do so,he was mad with me,i told him the Constitution of Guyana gives too much power to the President.
I knew all along Granger will use this power and nominate some one of his own choice.The game begins from now to 2020.
Only problem is that this government had promised the Guyanese people that they will be different.
True,
the people have to start a movement for Constitutional Amendments to reduce the power of the President,I have been saying this for awhile.
Guyana needs a representative government where all can feel represented.
ksazma posted:Django posted:ksazma posted:Django posted:Today I had a discussion with my cousin and told him Granger have the power not pick the GECOM Chairman from the list Jagdeo submitted,not because the PPP did that,Granger is obliged to do so,he was mad with me,i told him the Constitution of Guyana gives too much power to the President.
I knew all along Granger will use this power and nominate some one of his own choice.The game begins from now to 2020.
Only problem is that this government had promised the Guyanese people that they will be different.
True,
the people have to start a movement for Constitutional Amendments to reduce the power of the President,I have been saying this for awhile.
Guyana needs a representative government where all can feel represented.
Correct,back to the Electoral System prior to the 1980 Constitution.
Former Member
Django posted:ksazma posted:Guyana needs a representative government where all can feel represented.
Correct,back to the Electoral System prior to the 1980 Constitution.
Minus the Burnham rigging.
ksazma posted:Django posted:ksazma posted:Guyana needs a representative government where all can feel represented.
Correct,back to the Electoral System prior to the 1980 Constitution.
Minus the Burnham rigging.
Very..very...true,bhai.
Former Member
Oh, it's rigging time again, you won't believe me/ I can see that faraway look in your eyes ....
If the 84-year-old man dies before 2020 Jagdeo will have to submit a new list.
I expected this outcome so it is not a surprise. Now, the ball is in Jagdeo's court not much he can do but have some demonstrations. No credibility in the international community so cannot get them to exert any pressure.
Here we go Again! 2020 will just be a sham.
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Granger to swear in James Patterson as GECOM chairman
-unilateral decision made
October 19,2017
This story is developing and will be updated.
President David Granger is to swear in a Chairman of GECOM tonight, according to an advisory from the Ministry of the Presidency.
A decision was arrived at following a meeting between Granger and Opposition Leader, Bharrat Jagdeo today.
How come BJ didnt make any noise after the meeting
Former Member
President David Granger has finally selected an individual to be appointed as the Chairman of the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) and the person will be sworn in tonight at State House.
News Room understands that Granger unilaterally appointed 84 â year old James Patterson â a former High Court judge, who is currently a legal advisor to the countryâs Attorney General. It should be noted that Pattersonâs name was not included in the third and final list which was submitted by Opposition Leader, Bharrat Jagdeo.
News Room was reliably informed that the Opposition Leader is not in agreement with the Presidentâs decision.
According to a statement from the Ministry of the Presidency, the swearing in will occur at 20:30hrs.
President Granger and the Leader of the Opposition Bharrat Jagdeo had moments ago met to discuss the matter.
Newsroom
Pointblank posted:Django posted:https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...+stabroeknewsguyana+[Stabroek+News%29
Granger to swear in James Patterson as GECOM chairman
-unilateral decision made
October 19,2017
This story is developing and will be updated.
President David Granger is to swear in a Chairman of GECOM tonight, according to an advisory from the Ministry of the Presidency.
A decision was arrived at following a meeting between Granger and Opposition Leader, Bharrat Jagdeo today.
How come BJ didnt make any noise after the meeting
Hold on lil bit. He gonna flap 'e lips soon.
Former Member
Excerpts from Inews.
The Opposition Leader is a press briefing after the meeting was held said that this was their plan from the inception, highlighting that it was a plan to frustrate him into folding by rejecting his nominees, but after he consistently provided names, lists after list, the âcharadeâ was ended and the President will now appoint someone of his own choosing.
Jagdeo said that he will take them to court and gave non cooperation.
Zed posted:Jagdeo said that he will take them to court and gave non cooperation.
Who the President ??
Django posted:Zed posted:Jagdeo said that he will take them to court and gave non cooperation.
Who the President ??
I thought you were gonna ask the banna for "proof"
Former Member
Gilbakka deplores Granger's unilateral decision. Non-cooperation is in order.
PPP embarks on non-cooperation with govt after Grangerâs unilateral appointment of GECOM Chairman
October 19, 2017
http://demerarawaves.com/2017/...t-of-gecom-chairman/
Opposition Leader, Bharrat Jagdeo said President David Granger has informed him that he has decided to appoint Retired Justice James Patterson as the next Chairman of the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM), sparking off a decision by the Peopleâs Progressive Party (PPP) to refuse to cooperate with the government.
âRight now this government will not get our cooperation on any issue until they start complying with our constitution,â Jagdeo told a news conference at Freedom House, his partyâs headquarters.
He said the PPPâs councillors at the Neigbourhood Democratic Council and Town Councils would not be lending its support to councillors in those districts and regions where his party has a majority.
Jagdeo added that the PPP has decided not to participate in a Border Committee meeting
Patterson is due to be sworn in by President Granger at State House Thursday night at 8:30.
Jagdeo said the appointment of Justice Patterson amounted to a conflict of interest because he was hired by the Granger-led administration to chair a Commission of Inquiry into the military and he is currently an advisor to the Minister of Legal Affairs and Attorney General. âIt seem as though the President has picked someone who is in the employ of the government,â he said.
Jagdeo said any time the seventh person- the Chairman of GECOM- is picked unilaterally violates collaboration and merely went through the process to appear democratic by instead frustrating the process.
âWhat we have here tonight is a fundamental assault on our democracy by an undemocratic corrupt cabal,â he said.
The Opposition Leader accused Granger of being a liar and someone who could not be trusted. âYou canât take him at face face valueâĶ At the heart of this presidency lies a very sinister nature,â he said.
Jagdeo said the unilateral appointment of Patterson is a part of a plan to rig the elections as had been the case between 1968 and 1992, adding that the PPP would have to again struggle for democracy. He said the international community and civil society would be apprised of moves to engage in electoral malpractices.
âThis is an attempt to take our country to the past and attempt to rig the next elections,â he said.
Former Member
Cobra posted:Excerpts from Inews.
The Opposition Leader is a press briefing after the meeting was held said that this was their plan from the inception, highlighting that it was a plan to frustrate him into folding by rejecting his nominees, but after he consistently provided names, lists after list, the âcharadeâ was ended and the President will now appoint someone of his own choosing.
I could have said if better, Mr Jagdeo. You get blindsided by the Americans, and now you get blindsided from Granger. When the America ambassador butt into GECOM's affair, you should know what's ahead. Stop you kissing and hugging up and get serious. Three strikes you're out. The PPP prospect of 2020 is dead.
Sad day for democracy in Guyana. The governing coalition does not uphold the constitution. They do not walk the talk. Guyana is about to slide back to the days of party supremacy and dictatorship. Why are they afraid of the will of the people ? I am waiting to see the reaction of the ABC countries .
Granger wore his Indian outfit and celebrated Diwali in style and then 'dig it up' in the Indians. Sad day for Guyana.
For the folks who were all out behind the coalition Government and did not see this coming, may your conscience be your guide.
Granger should be made to explain how he came about with his choice. Out of eighteen persons he found none to be worthy of that position but one ole goat he was able to find. I thought for sure the last list had a couple for the job.
I tell yall he get he eyes an pass BJ.
Victory for AS KISSERS and BATTY WASHERS!! Just for a minute think about if the PPP did this what the Namakaram Crabdaag would have said. That BLOOD SUCKING PARASITE is capable of selling his most prized possessions foe fame, wealth and power. He is dead but shame to close his eyes. The show Dead Man Walking was made from his story!!
Gilbakka posted:Gilbakka deplores Granger's unilateral decision. Non-cooperation is in order.
Passive resistance is in order. "With one foot in the grave " epic comes to mind.
cain posted:Granger should be made to explain how he came about with his choice. Out of eighteen persons he found none to be worthy of that position but one ole goat he was able to find. I thought for sure the last list had a couple for the job.
I tell yall he get he eyes an pass BJ.
President Granger is not a democrat. He idolizes President Burnham the dictator. Instead of winning the hearts of the Guyanese people through responsible governance, he is about to take away their democratic right to choose the government of their choice. This is not about Jagdeo , this is about the entire nation.
Granger need some lash.
84 year old person . Where are all the younger fellas. This is the type of move that makes this Governmebt looks stupid.
Former Member
Gilbakka posted:Oh, it's rigging time again, you won't believe me/ I can see that faraway look in your eyes ....
If the 84-year-old man dies before 2020 Jagdeo will have to submit a new list.
Brother Gil,
Rewind back and look at my warnings about President Granger and the potential of installing a dictatorship.
We need to read between the lines and the U.S ambassador gave his blessings about a week or so ago, in effect that Granger was acting in accordance to the constitution. That was a full endorsement and a green light for Granger to implement his rigging machinery.
This is one of the saddest days in Guyana's history. This decision takes Guyana back to pre 1992.
Oil will be flowing and the investors prefer an administration which can play according to their rules. Search GNI forums and D2 at some point in time had some very nice posts about oil and corruption. They ring true to this day.
There is no need for an election in 2020, Granger can announce the results tomorrow.
The PPP cannot do much as we look back into the history books. This will be another 30 years into the wilderness. Oil would have stopped flowing by then and Guyana would have retuned to a brutal dictatorship era with the people worse off than they are today.
News Outlet like KN and others will have to tow the line.
This is no longer about Bharat Jagdeo and the PPP but this is now about the future of Guyana and the return to rigging and dictatorship. Everyone will suffer, the only exception are politicians in the administration feeding at the oil trough.
The AFC has served their purpose and Granger no longer needs them. History is repeating itself. The AFC leadership can either tow the line or step aside, I believe that many in the AFC will tow the line.
Non cooperation from the PPP will mean nothing, we walked down that road already.
Priya and her other PPP friend insulted the US ambassador in his residence and guess who is now having the last laugh ?
Very, Very sad day for our country.
Yuji22
Former Member
BGMAN posted:cain posted:Granger should be made to explain how he came about with his choice. Out of eighteen persons he found none to be worthy of that position but one ole goat he was able to find. I thought for sure the last list had a couple for the job.
I tell yall he get he eyes an pass BJ.
President Granger is not a democrat. He idolizes President Burnham the dictator. Instead of winning the hearts of the Guyanese people through responsible governance, he is about to take away their democratic right to choose the government of their choice. This is not about Jagdeo , this is about the entire nation.
Granger missed a golden opportunity to galvanize the nation. He opted for the Dictatorship route.
yuji22 postedThis is one of the saddest days in Guyana's history
Priya and her other PPP friend insulted the US ambassador in his residence and guess who is now having the last laugh ?
Very, Very sad day for our country.
Yuji22
This is the gist of it.
cain posted:Django posted:Zed posted:Jagdeo said that he will take them to court and gave non cooperation.
Who the President ??
I thought you were gonna ask the banna for "proof"
Lol
Django posted:ksazma posted:Django posted:Today I had a discussion with my cousin and told him Granger have the power not pick the GECOM Chairman from the list Jagdeo submitted,not because the PPP did that,Granger is obliged to do so,he was mad with me,i told him the Constitution of Guyana gives too much power to the President.
I knew all along Granger will use this power and nominate some one of his own choice.The game begins from now to 2020.
Only problem is that this government had promised the Guyanese people that they will be different.
True,
the people have to start a movement for Constitutional Amendments to reduce the power of the President,I have been saying this for awhile.
I agree with you on the need for the people to start a movement to reduce the power of the president.
But, think about it. Immediately prior to having an executive president, did Guyana have a democracy? The answer to this simple question will shed light on what is needed?
From Stabroek
President David Granger has made a disastrous decision by unilaterally appointing a Chairman of the Guyana Elections Commission. In acting unilaterally the President has shredded to pieces what had been an involved engagement with the Leader of the Opposition Bharrat Jagdeo. The unilateral appointment has also defenestrated the Carter-Price formula for the selection of the Chairman which had been followed for the 1992 general elections onwards.
The Presidentâs decision has poisoned the political climate as evidenced by the PPP/Câs declaration yesterday of non-co-operation. It will also taint the manner in which the public perceives the conduct of the new Chairman, Justice James Patterson. He will be seen to be beholden to the President. This will cast a pall over election preparations.
Aside from the fact that at 84 the rigours of GECOM will be a severe challenge for Justice Patterson, there is also the prospect that this could necessitate a replacement in the period approaching elections and thereby presenting a prospect for a delay.
Further, the President cannot be oblivious to the public skepticism that the party he leads, the PNCR, which unashamedly rigged general elections in 1968, 1973, 1980 and 1985, is yet to establish its commitment to electoral democracy.
cain posted:Granger should be made to explain how he came about with his choice. Out of eighteen persons he found none to be worthy of that position but one ole goat he was able to find. I thought for sure the last list had a couple for the job.
I tell yall he get he eyes an pass BJ.
This is worrying and ominous. For those of us who lived through the PNC dictatorship and witnessed how Guyana slid into dictatorship, it is like dÃĐjà view.
this is a lesson for us all if we can discern what we need to learn from it. I hear all this talknabout constitutional change but no one has really addressed how we create a culture in the political elite of Guyana where the democratic spirit prevails over arrogance, avarice, ignorance, service for self or own, etc. Institutions are created by man. We think that they can guarantee freedom. They cannot. The human is the critical element! They can suck the substance out of institutions, laws, etc, leaving just a shell, a facade that does not fool the majority of people they rule, but gives the corrupt some respectability in the eyes of some.
Mitwah posted:Gilbakka posted:Gilbakka deplores Granger's unilateral decision. Non-cooperation is in order.
Passive resistance is in order. "With one foot in the grave " epic comes to mind.
I will collect you at the airport when you arrive so we can start. I need to learn from you about this passive resistance. I know that it was successfully used by Gandhi in India.
some friends tried to get me to go demonstrate in front of state house last night but I declined. Told then that we all old, like old bulls that can only shit on its tail.
Chief posted:Granger need some lash.
84 year old person . Where are all the younger fellas. This is the type of move that makes this Governmebt looks stupid.
What about all the other stupid moves previously? Are they of different type? What is the common element in them all?
Former Member
Very bad move by Granger! Not good for Guyana
Zed posted:Django posted:ksazma posted:Django posted:Today I had a discussion with my cousin and told him Granger have the power not pick the GECOM Chairman from the list Jagdeo submitted,not because the PPP did that,Granger is obliged to do so,he was mad with me,i told him the Constitution of Guyana gives too much power to the President.
I knew all along Granger will use this power and nominate some one of his own choice.The game begins from now to 2020.
Only problem is that this government had promised the Guyanese people that they will be different.
True,
the people have to start a movement for Constitutional Amendments to reduce the power of the President,I have been saying this for awhile.
I agree with you on the need for the people to start a movement to reduce the power of the president.
But, think about it. Immediately prior to having an executive president, did Guyana have a democracy? The answer to this simple question will shed light on what is needed?
Guyana never had a true Democracy,with rigging and one party rule, due to a slight ethnic majority support at the polls.Some of the Politicians used divisive methods in the multi ethnic society to stay in power, race based voting is encouraged,hopefully the Guyanese people will wake up and stop being sheep.
True Democracy is in the hands of the people,Guyanese wake up cast the divisive politicians in the Atlantic Ocean,a small nation with abundant resources can benefit all,choose political leaders who have the whole nation at heart and not the ones who are there to fatten their bank accounts and receive hefty pensions.
Former Member
As long as Granger has slop can carriers and the US behind him, he will continue to be a dictator. Once Guyana's oil is drained, he will be cast aside by his puppeteers in the West.
Drugb posted:As long as Granger has slop can carriers and the US behind him, he will continue to be a dictator. Once Guyana's oil is drained, he will be cast aside by his puppeteers in the West.
So Granger have immortality,too much slop in your head.
President picks Justice Patterson, 84, as GECOM Chair.
The only government official present was Minister of State Joseph Harmon.
October 20,2017
President David Granger yesterday unilaterally chose retired justice James Patterson, 84, to be Chairman of GECOM, rejecting a third list that had been submitted by Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo and plunging the country into its worst political crisis since APNU+AFC came to power in 2015.
Patterson was last night sworn in as the new Chairman of the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) hours after he was first contacted by Granger and just after Jagdeo declared a campaign of non-cooperation with the government over the decision. (See other story on page 4.) It would appear that the hasty swearing in was held to avoid a legal challenge. Patterson will be 87 when the next general elections are due in 2020.
âBeing desirous of fulfilling the requirements of the constitution and given the need to appoint a Chairman âĶand in light of the failure of the Leader of the Opposition to present me with a list that was not unacceptable I have decided that it would be in the publicâs interest to resort to the proviso in the Constitution Article 165 (2) which permits the President to act independently to appoint a person in the judicial category to be Chairman of the Guyana Elections Commission, that is a person who is presumptively fit and proper. I have accordingly appointed Justice James Pattersonâ, Granger told reporters during a ceremony at State House which did not see any appearance of Pattersonâs relatives or friends or members of coalition partner, the Alliance for Change (AFC). The ceremony got underway just after 8:30 pm, almost two hours after the Ministry of the Presidency sent out an urgent media advisory.
The swearing in of Patterson came two and a half hours after Granger met with Jagdeo informing him of the rejection of the list and his selection of Patterson.
On August 25, Jagdeo submitted a list comprising Joe Singh, a retired Guyana Defence Force Major General, who previously served as GECOM Chairman; former long-serving magistrate Krisndat Persaud; attorneys Teni Housty and Sanjeev Datadin; pilot and biodiversity advocate Annette Arjoon-Martins; and Adventist pastor and agriculturalist Onesi La Fleur.
GECOM has been without a Chairman since Dr. Steve Surujbally resigned in February this year. The search for a replacement in keeping with the Constitution began late last year.
In brief remarks after issuing the instrument of appointment, Granger urged all Guyanese to support the constitution of the full commission so that âwe can get on with the business of conducting Local Government elections and General and Regional elections in this countryâ.
He said too that Jagdeo during a meeting which started around 6pm was informed that the third list was unacceptable within the meaning of the constitution. He said that he paid careful attention to the ruling of the acting Chief Justice Roxane George in arriving at his decision to appoint Patterson.
An application was made to the Constitutional court by businessman Marcel Gaskin for declaratory orders on the meaning of Article 161(2), which provides for the appointment of the Chairman, in hopes of it providing clarity for the selection process. Justice George delivered her oral ruling in July and her written ruling last month.
Shortly
Contacted shortly after the swearing in ceremony had ended, AFC Executive member Khemraj Ramjattan appeared shocked that party leader Raphael Trotman did not put in an appearance and that Harmon was the only government official present. Stabroek News despite efforts was unable to make contact with Trotman.
Ramjattan however said that he was aware that Patterson was going to be appointed. âI donât know more than that except that the president did call the leader of the partyâ, he said.
Asked if he agreed with Pattersonâs appointment, Ramjattan said âI certainly would agree with the choice yes because it is the presidentâs choice and he didnât find it acceptable the other names and he found that one acceptable. Thatâs my opinion on the issueâ.
The government will be criticized for appointing Patterson who is 84 years old given that persons holding several constitutional offices were earlier this year sent home because of their age. Among them was former Chairman of the Police Complaints Authority (PSC) Justice Cecil Kennard who was in his late 70s.
Granger did not directly justify the appointment of the aged Patterson when asked. He stressed that government had to search after depending on Jagdeo for the last ten months to come up with a list that is not unacceptable. âWe have been searching as well and we feel that given his experience, he is a former Chief Justice of Grenada, he has long judicial service and we feel he is a fit and proper person. So it is important for the reason I have mentioned that we bring this search to an end and we get on with the business of governing Guyanaâ. Asked why the highly favoured and qualified Singh was not chosen, Granger responded âI am not prepared to discuss the individual qualities of the nominees. Taken as a whole the list was unacceptable and that is all I need to say in accordance with the constitutionâ.
Excellent
The President said that Patterson was an excellent choice given his long judicial service as well as integrity, impartiality and independence. âI think he is a person who is independent minded, he is impartial and I think he has all the qualities which we requireâ, he said.
Granger acknowledged that he never approached Patterson prior to the receipt of the third list and has not dragged out the process. Patterson would later inform reporters that he only became aware of his selection hours before the swearing in ceremony. âA few hours ago âĶI was never approached prior to tonightâ, he said when asked when he became aware that he was the chosen person. He went on to explain that Granger called him, made the offer and he accepted.
Granger stated that his search for a fit and proper person commenced after he realized that the list before him was unacceptable and that âwe could not go forward with that list. I would say from September over the four, five weeks we have been searchingâ.
Justice George ruled that the President is required to give reasons for deeming the names on the list as unacceptable.
However, Granger, when asked if he plans to give reasons why he rejected the third list responded âI have searched the constitution and the only reason I found âĶis that I am not obliged to appoint anybody who is not fit and properâ, he said before dismissing suggestions that the non-disclosure of reasons is not in keeping with the democratic principles. âI believe that it is in accordance with the constitutionâ, he stressed.
Granger added that after scrutinizing the third list he realized that it was unacceptable and he began a search for his own nominee in keeping with the constitution.
âI realized at that stage that after the submission of three lists that there was an intention on the part of the Leader of the Opposition to submit a list that is not going to be acceptableâ. He said that at one stage he considered approaching the matter differently that is, the establishment of the high level committee but âI donât have the authority to go outside of the constitution to initiate any sort of bipartisan search. It is entirely the Leader of the Oppositionâs responsibility and it would be unconstitutional of me to intrude on that process. He must do so and he has not done so over a period of over nine monthsâ.
The committee was to be established if the third list was found to be unacceptable. âThere is nothing in the constitution which authorizes me to do that and it would have been an error for me to proceed in that directionâ, he stressed.
He explained that during the meeting with Jagdeo he indicated âquite clearlyâ that he had a candidate in mind and said that Jagdeo was provided with Pattersonâs Curriculum Vitae.
Patterson told the media that though the job may be a demanding both he and the president thinks he is up to the task. Asked about the criticism of his age, he said that the president doesnât have an issue with his age and he pointed to the fact that one of the most fertile intellects in law, is US Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. A mere four months separate their ages. âShe would do 20 pushups at my age so I donât think it mattersâĶâ he said.
Asked if he can cope with the rigours of an elections period for 24 or 36 hours without little or no sleep, he responded âI have been a student at the bar you know and that is more damaging intellectually and otherwise than politicsâ.
He urged politicians to make an effort to fight for the unity of the country even as he described the state of affairs as âdishearteningâ. He was that he was never skeptical about accepting the position, pointing out that as a judge âyou encounter more difficult situations, more trying than thisâ. He said that his opinion of why he is the best person for the job does not matter. âIt is the selectorâs opinion that matters and he thinks that I am the best personâ, he said.
He could not say what his immediate priorities are.
Congratulations to the Slop Cyan Crew! Alyuh bad laka rass tho!
Former Member
Django posted:Drugb posted:As long as Granger has slop can carriers and the US behind him, he will continue to be a dictator. Once Guyana's oil is drained, he will be cast aside by his puppeteers in the West.
So Granger have immortality,too much slop in your head.
As long as he has people like you with one foot in the grave supporting him, he will ensure another 27 years of destruction. I don't follow how you can continue fetching pnc slop on this site, you must have bought a powerful respirator to block out the stench.
Drugb posted:Django posted:Drugb posted:As long as Granger has slop can carriers and the US behind him, he will continue to be a dictator. Once Guyana's oil is drained, he will be cast aside by his puppeteers in the West.
So Granger have immortality,too much slop in your head.
As long as he has people like you with one foot in the grave supporting him, he will ensure another 27 years of destruction. I don't follow how you can continue fetching pnc slop on this site, you must have bought a powerful respirator to block out the stench.
Unfortunately Sir,you are out of your mind.Django will be around for a while which is destined,you need to take closer introspection of thyself.
A INHUMAN BASTARD LIKE THE GADAHA IS NOT JUST A DICTATOR BUT HE IS WORST THAN A HO AT GAUMONT. THIS SHAMELESS DONKEY TOOK OVER A YEAR, WASTED DOCTOR JAGDEO TIME AND ENERGY BUT ALL ALONG KNEW HE WAS GOING TO APPOINT A RIGGER. AND I THOUGHT MUGABE WAS THE WORLDS MOST DANGEROUS IDIOT. I HAVE TO ADMIT I WAS WRONG BECAUSE THE GADAHA TAKES THE CAKE, THE WHOLE FRIGGIN CAKE!!!!
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Django posted:Drugb posted:Django posted:Drugb posted:As long as Granger has slop can carriers and the US behind him, he will continue to be a dictator. Once Guyana's oil is drained, he will be cast aside by his puppeteers in the West.
So Granger have immortality,too much slop in your head.
As long as he has people like you with one foot in the grave supporting him, he will ensure another 27 years of destruction. I don't follow how you can continue fetching pnc slop on this site, you must have bought a powerful respirator to block out the stench.
Unfortunately Sir,you are out of your mind.Django will be around for a while which is destined,you need to take closer introspection of thyself.
This is doubtful with your poor health habits and ill advised support of the corrupt pnc.
Bibi Haniffa posted:Congratulations to the Slop Cyan Crew! Alyuh bad laka rass tho!
So you are slop consumer too?
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The brother said that only Granger's opinion matters. The opinion of the Guyanese people doesn't matter. Sounds like how things were during Burnham's days.
Drugb posted:Django posted:Drugb posted:Django posted:Drugb posted:As long as Granger has slop can carriers and the US behind him, he will continue to be a dictator. Once Guyana's oil is drained, he will be cast aside by his puppeteers in the West.
So Granger have immortality,too much slop in your head.
As long as he has people like you with one foot in the grave supporting him, he will ensure another 27 years of destruction. I don't follow how you can continue fetching pnc slop on this site, you must have bought a powerful respirator to block out the stench.
Unfortunately Sir,you are out of your mind.Django will be around for a while which is destined,you need to take closer introspection of thyself.
This is doubtful with your poor health habits and ill advised support of the corrupt pnc.
How do you know what are my habits ?? You are a stupid fella and seem to predict what are other people's lifestyles,it's my choice and right to support whom i want,is it not the same for you ??
Banna haul your ass and go speak to lil children.
Django posted:Drugb posted:Django posted:Drugb posted:As long as Granger has slop can carriers and the US behind him, he will continue to be a dictator. Once Guyana's oil is drained, he will be cast aside by his puppeteers in the West.
So Granger have immortality,too much slop in your head.
As long as he has people like you with one foot in the grave supporting him, he will ensure another 27 years of destruction. I don't follow how you can continue fetching pnc slop on this site, you must have bought a powerful respirator to block out the stench.
Unfortunately Sir,you are out of your mind.Django will be around for a while which is destined,you need to take closer introspection of thyself.
Django, he seems to forget that longevity does not run in his family. He lost his father and his brothers when they still had more productive years. Dem seh those whom God wants to destroy He makes them crazy.
Mitwah posted:Django posted:Drugb posted:Django posted:Drugb posted:As long as Granger has slop can carriers and the US behind him, he will continue to be a dictator. Once Guyana's oil is drained, he will be cast aside by his puppeteers in the West.
So Granger have immortality,too much slop in your head.
As long as he has people like you with one foot in the grave supporting him, he will ensure another 27 years of destruction. I don't follow how you can continue fetching pnc slop on this site, you must have bought a powerful respirator to block out the stench.
Unfortunately Sir,you are out of your mind.Django will be around for a while which is destined,you need to take closer introspection of thyself.
Django, he seems to forget that longevity does not run in his family. He lost his father and his brothers when they still had more productive years. Dem seh those whom God wants to destroy He makes them crazy.
Something is definitely wrong with that fella,me thinks he gets too personal,rather than stick to the topics,always trying to belittle other posters.
The two AFC guys, Rumjaat and Nigamoto are now part and parcel of a Dictatorship Government. I say, the people MUST rise up, National strike, Country wide protest. Shut down the country for one day, civil resistance. Indians buy foreign exchange, book your flights out of Guyana, get your girl children overseas. This is all about the dominance of OIL.
If Guyanese do not rise up and Protest in large numbers NOW then they must not blame anyone or seek help from anyone!!!! Nothing comes easy and sitting on your asses will never bring PROGRESS!!!!
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Django posted:How do you know what are my habits ?? You are a stupid fella and seem to predict what are other people's lifestyles,it's my choice and right to support whom i want,is it not the same for you ?? Banna haul your ass and go speak to lil children.
What I can predict with certainty is that the stench of the pnc slop can will eventually be the end of you, no respirator can protect you from the inevitable. Not even lilmohan words of comfort or consuming black bigan daily will stave off the inevitable.
Django posted:Zed posted:Django posted:ksazma posted:Django posted:Today I had a discussion with my cousin and told him Granger have the power not pick the GECOM Chairman from the list Jagdeo submitted,not because the PPP did that,Granger is obliged to do so,he was mad with me,i told him the Constitution of Guyana gives too much power to the President.
I knew all along Granger will use this power and nominate some one of his own choice.The game begins from now to 2020.
Only problem is that this government had promised the Guyanese people that they will be different.
True,
the people have to start a movement for Constitutional Amendments to reduce the power of the President,I have been saying this for awhile.
I agree with you on the need for the people to start a movement to reduce the power of the president.
But, think about it. Immediately prior to having an executive president, did Guyana have a democracy? The answer to this simple question will shed light on what is needed?
Guyana never had a true Democracy,with rigging and one party rule, due to a slight ethnic majority support at the polls.Some of the Politicians used divisive methods in the multi ethnic society to stay in power, race based voting is encouraged,hopefully the Guyanese people will wake up and stop being sheep.
True Democracy is in the hands of the people,Guyanese wake up cast the divisive politicians in the Atlantic Ocean,a small nation with abundant resources can benefit all,choose political leaders who have the whole nation at heart and not the ones who are there to fatten their bank accounts and receive hefty pensions.
This deranged FOOL cannot help himself. What hogwash and Bullshit!!!!
Nehru posted:Django posted:Zed posted:Django posted:ksazma posted:Django posted:Today I had a discussion with my cousin and told him Granger have the power not pick the GECOM Chairman from the list Jagdeo submitted,not because the PPP did that,Granger is obliged to do so,he was mad with me,i told him the Constitution of Guyana gives too much power to the President.
I knew all along Granger will use this power and nominate some one of his own choice.The game begins from now to 2020.
Only problem is that this government had promised the Guyanese people that they will be different.
True,
the people have to start a movement for Constitutional Amendments to reduce the power of the President,I have been saying this for awhile.
I agree with you on the need for the people to start a movement to reduce the power of the president.
But, think about it. Immediately prior to having an executive president, did Guyana have a democracy? The answer to this simple question will shed light on what is needed?
Guyana never had a true Democracy,with rigging and one party rule, due to a slight ethnic majority support at the polls.Some of the Politicians used divisive methods in the multi ethnic society to stay in power, race based voting is encouraged,hopefully the Guyanese people will wake up and stop being sheep.
True Democracy is in the hands of the people,Guyanese wake up cast the divisive politicians in the Atlantic Ocean,a small nation with abundant resources can benefit all,choose political leaders who have the whole nation at heart and not the ones who are there to fatten their bank accounts and receive hefty pensions.
This deranged FOOL cannot help himself. What hogwash and Bullshit!!!!
Poor you,
too deep,refute what i have written,instead of calling someone deranged,may be you fit in that category.
Sixteen yrs i am GNI,haven't seen you wrote anything of substance,no ideas,nothing,just empty.
HAHAHA An idiot like you talking about substance. Stick to ASS KISSING and BATTY WASHING. You are GREAT at those functions!!!!
Nehru posted:HAHAHA An idiot like you talking about substance. Stick to ASS KISSING and BATTY WASHING. You are GREAT at those functions!!!!
Banna take a hike,same over and over,you are empty.
Meh neighba seh the truth does hut belly!!!!
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The outcome is not surprising. I said this would happen months ago. The dumb ass President appointing a dead man as FITand proper has to be the joke of the century!
ksazma posted:The brother said that only Granger's opinion matters. The opinion of the Guyanese people doesn't matter. Sounds like how things were during Burnham's days.
The shit is so high up Rumjhaaaaaatan nose the smell becomes normal!!!!!!!!!!!
VVP posted:The outcome is not surprising. I said this would happen months ago. The dumb ass President appointing a dead man as FITand proper has to be the joke of the century!
Funny but so TRUE. I do not want to toot my horn BUt I warned Carijb and Slop Can this will happen also. Caribj like the Namakaram, he very quiet hoping that this will go away.
ksazma posted:The brother said that only Granger's opinion matters. The opinion of the Guyanese people doesn't matter. Sounds like how things were during Burnham's days.
This is according to the constitution. The constitution makes him or any President, a dictator.
Time for shared government. The President comes from the winner of the electoral vote. The Prime Minister comes from the Opposition party.
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ksazma posted:The brother said that only Granger's opinion matters. The opinion of the Guyanese people doesn't matter. Sounds like how things were during Burnham's days.
Ramjattan turned out to be the biggest disappointment with these comments. He should have all least waited for the fire to cool down a bit before opening his mouth.
Moses seems to be playing this carefully with no comments from him so far.
Paging Chruchill.
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Bibi Haniffa posted:Time for shared government. The President comes from the winner of the electoral vote. The Prime Minister comes from the Opposition party.
Yes but only if the elections are free and fair.
yuji22 posted:ksazma posted:The brother said that only Granger's opinion matters. The opinion of the Guyanese people doesn't matter. Sounds like how things were during Burnham's days.
Ramjattan turned out to be the biggest disappointment with these comments. He should have all least waited for the fire to cool down a bit before opening his mouth.
Moses seems to be playing this carefully with no comments from him so far.
Paging Chruchill.
What if Moses turn out to be one to give us the No Confidence Motion. (Ok ok, that was wishful thinking!)
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Drugb posted:The slop can boys won once again as they impose dictatorship on he nation. Now our benevolent jackass pick an 84 year old who may not live to see 2020.
Why not. Jagdeo would impose an elected dictatorship over blacks if he had his way. Yes taking back Guyana for "his" people who he defined as rural people "we know who they are".
The way I see it Guyana has never had democracy and until we resolve our ethnic morass, it will never will. An ethnic census doesn't qualify for being called a democratic election.
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Bibi Haniffa posted:yuji22 posted:ksazma posted:The brother said that only Granger's opinion matters. The opinion of the Guyanese people doesn't matter. Sounds like how things were during Burnham's days.
Ramjattan turned out to be the biggest disappointment with these comments. He should have all least waited for the fire to cool down a bit before opening his mouth.
Moses seems to be playing this carefully with no comments from him so far.
Paging Chruchill.
What if Moses turn out to be one to give us the No Confidence Motion. (Ok ok, that was wishful thinking!)
Not going to happen for now.
It could possibly happen if Jagdeo is no longer the leader of the PPP. The PPP now has to quickly look beyond Jagdeo for 2020.
Politics is funny and ruthless business.
This is one of the few times we are all on the same page, except for Nehruski trying to fire up Django. Dam, I am not able to cuss anyone out, double dam.
This is the way we should all handle these instances, when we see wrong, speak out and not stand beside a person because, he is one ah we.
The Namakaram Crabdaag run in the corner hoping Harmon is not coming with his belt!! I would do the Japanese thing rather live in such SHAME BUT not that Namakaram. !!!!
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Bibi Haniffa posted:Time for shared government. The President comes from the winner of the electoral vote. The Prime Minister comes from the Opposition party.
How come you didn't mention that in 2007? If the PPP wins in 2020 that topic wouldn't interest you then either.
This is why Guyanese have a choice of two forms of dictatorship. Rigging by the party which purports to represent the second largest minority ethnic group.
Or an elected dictatorship by the party which purports to represent the largest minority group in alliance with the third largest minority.
When a party loses its supporters want shared governance. When it wins they don't.
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Chief posted:Granger need some lash.
84 year old person . Where are all the younger fellas. This is the type of move that makes this Governmebt looks stupid.
Anyone younger than 65 is irrelevant. This is why APNU/AFC will lose in 2020. Pity the PPP is also controlled by a dictator so they don't have any moral superiority to speak of.
The next election will be based in pure racial panic. I am saying so on 10/20/2017. The PPP can prevent this but Jagdeo's instincts are based on his anti black sentiments, so it will not.
caribny posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:Time for shared government. The President comes from the winner of the electoral vote. The Prime Minister comes from the Opposition party.
How come you didn't mention that in 2007? If the PPP wins in 2020 that topic wouldn't interest you then either.
This is why Guyanese have a choice of two forms of dictatorship. Rigging by the party which purports to represent the second largest minority ethnic group.
Or an elected dictatorship by the party which purports to represent the largest minority group in alliance with the third largest minority.
When a party loses its supporters want shared governance. When it wins they don't.
I was not in politics in 2007. And Guyana was a poor country then. With the prospects of oil on the horizon it would be a disaster if we have a dictatorship govt going forward - PPP or PNC.
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Bibi Haniffa posted:I was not in politics in 2007. And Guyana was a poor country then. With the prospects of oil on the horizon it would be a disaster if we have a dictatorship govt going forward - PPP or PNC.
One of the biggest shocks that Guyanese will face is that even after oil Guyana will still be poor. Cannot think of any oil dependent nation that is in a good way now, and many of them have more value added than Guyana will get in the interim. Look at T&T.
Few Guyanese will get jobs. The government will have more money to waste and the aged blacks or the corrupt Indians (depending on which party wins) will have more to squander. Income inequality will become even worse than it now is.
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Welcome to the curse of the rich. Guyana will the semblance of rich African states that are still dirt poor from greed and corruption. Baseman predicted this before he leaves.
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Prince posted:Welcome to the curse of the rich. Guyana will the semblance of rich African states that are still dirt poor from greed and corruption. Baseman predicted this before he leaves.
And if you think that Jagdeo would do better dream on.
If the PPP wins in 2020 the greedy elites will be a tiny minority of Indians.
In APNU/AFC manages to win (increasingly unlikely) it will be a tiny multi racial elite as PNC soup lickers grab their cut of the largesse.
The vast majority of Guyanese will see little benefit, and might even suffer as the rampant speculation of the oligarchs will drive up the cost of living. Barbados, St Lucia, Antigua, Trinidad, St Kitts, St Maarten and Tortola can no longer absorb them. Suriname and Venezuela are in a bad way so that is off as well.
Granger acknowledged that he never approached Patterson prior to the receipt of the third list and has not dragged out the process. Patterson would later inform reporters that he only became aware of his selection hours before the swearing in ceremony. âA few hours ago âĶI was never approached prior to tonightâ, he said when asked when he became aware that he was the chosen person. He went on to explain that Granger called him, made the offer and he accepted.
This seems to me is a lie
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That's absolutely lying from a former Judge. What do you expect he will do as Gecom chairman?
Well when they have Field Slaves in NA believing their every word you cannot blame the. a donkey riding donkey!!!!
Amral posted:Granger acknowledged that he never approached Patterson prior to the receipt of the third list and has not dragged out the process. Patterson would later inform reporters that he only became aware of his selection hours before the swearing in ceremony. âA few hours ago âĶI was never approached prior to tonightâ, he said when asked when he became aware that he was the chosen person. He went on to explain that Granger called him, made the offer and he accepted.
This seems to me is a lie
October 20,2017
"Contacted shortly after the swearing in ceremony had ended, AFC Executive member Khemraj Ramjattan appeared shocked that party leader Raphael Trotman did not put in an appearance and that Harmon was the only government official present. Stabroek News despite efforts was unable to make contact with Trotman.
Ramjattan however said that he was aware that Patterson was going to be appointed. âI donât know more than that except that the president did call the leader of the partyâ, he said.
Asked if he agreed with Pattersonâs appointment, Ramjattan said âI certainly would agree with the choice yes because it is the presidentâs choice and he didnât find it acceptable the other names and he found that one acceptable. Thatâs my opinion on the issueâ.
Ramjattan knew Patterson will be picked,so the last minute he was informed,doesn't hold water.
Bibi Haniffa posted:Time for shared government. The President comes from the winner of the electoral vote. The Prime Minister comes from the Opposition party.
Mitwah posted:ksazma posted:The brother said that only Granger's opinion matters. The opinion of the Guyanese people doesn't matter. Sounds like how things were during Burnham's days.
This is according to the constitution. The constitution makes him or any President, a dictator.
mitts, I think it is the other way. The politician assumes office with certain aims/objectives and use the constitution to become a dictator if that is one of the aim. They forget the spirit of the constitution, its totality and use parts for their own selfish ambitions.
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Django posted:Amral posted:Granger acknowledged that he never approached Patterson prior to the receipt of the third list and has not dragged out the process. Patterson would later inform reporters that he only became aware of his selection hours before the swearing in ceremony. âA few hours ago âĶI was never approached prior to tonightâ, he said when asked when he became aware that he was the chosen person. He went on to explain that Granger called him, made the offer and he accepted.
This seems to me is a lie
October 20,2017
"Contacted shortly after the swearing in ceremony had ended, AFC Executive member Khemraj Ramjattan appeared shocked that party leader Raphael Trotman did not put in an appearance and that Harmon was the only government official present. Stabroek News despite efforts was unable to make contact with Trotman.
Ramjattan however said that he was aware that Patterson was going to be appointed. âI donât know more than that except that the president did call the leader of the partyâ, he said.
Asked if he agreed with Pattersonâs appointment, Ramjattan said âI certainly would agree with the choice yes because it is the presidentâs choice and he didnât find it acceptable the other names and he found that one acceptable. Thatâs my opinion on the issueâ.
Ramjattan knew Patterson will be picked,so the last minute he was informed,doesn't hold water.
The funny thing is all happen on one night to elect and swear in a chairman without a minute wasted. Jagdeo MUST accept and so the people MUST agree because he has the right and power to do so. Granger is not requesting that you accept his decision, he is ordering you to bow to his wishes.
Can Caricom intervene?
Amral posted:Can Caricom intervene?
Don't think so.
Even if they could, Granger followed the Constitution to a T.
GTAngler posted:Even if they could, Granger followed the Constitution to a T.
Please explain how.
Zed posted:GTAngler posted:Even if they could, Granger followed the Constitution to a T.
Please explain how.
Read the Constitution. In particular, Article 161 Sub Paragraph 2 on page 130.
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Django posted:
Ramjattan knew Patterson will be picked,so the last minute he was informed,doesn't hold water.
Granger had a senior moment. He told everyone but forgot to tell the person involved.
Btw I actually do think that Granger doesn't always have clarity of thought. He sometimes behaves as if he is day dreaming, not knowing what is going on around him.
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GTAngler posted:Zed posted:GTAngler posted:Even if they could, Granger followed the Constitution to a T.
Please explain how.
Read the Constitution. In particular, Article 161 Sub Paragraph 2 on page 130.
If he followed the constitution then no complaints can be made. It just indicates why the constitution has to be changed.
Its like the last US election. The results were to be based on the electoral college. The fact that Trump didn't win the popular vote is irrelevant and so those who complain about the electoral college are wasting their time.
So if the constitution allows Granger to do this then he is within his rights.
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Amral posted:Can Caricom intervene?
No. The secretariat isn't empowered to act against a head of state, and no head of state will act against another one.
Any GTAngler says that Granger can do this then he did nothing wrong.
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Bibi Haniffa posted:Time for shared government. The President comes from the winner of the electoral vote. The Prime Minister comes from the Opposition party.
You really really think so? I don't think so. Do you know what the trees said when the ax came into the forest? They said: "The handle was one of us." The Prime Minister was a tall tree in Freedom House Forest but is now Granger's ax handle, not so?
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caribny posted:Why not. Jagdeo would impose an elected dictatorship over blacks if he had his way. Yes taking back Guyana for "his" people who he defined as rural people "we know who they are".
Of course we expected you to support jackass Granger's dictatorship move. Now somehow you found a way to change the focus to Jagdeo who you claimed called the PPP a coolie people party, that is until I schooled you and exposed your wickedness. It was in fact the PNC who called the PPP a coolie people party during their campaign.
What is the process to change the Constitution then
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Private Sector Commission speaks up against Granger.
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Drugb posted:caribny posted:Why not. Jagdeo would impose an elected dictatorship over blacks if he had his way. Yes taking back Guyana for "his" people who he defined as rural people "we know who they are".
Of course we expected you to support jackass Granger's dictatorship move. Now somehow you found a way to change the focus to Jagdeo who you claimed called the PPP a coolie people party, that is until I schooled you and exposed your wickedness. It was in fact the PNC who called the PPP a coolie people party during their campaign.
The PPP is a jellyfish party of non-violence coolie. That's why PNC is the big bully, and Granger can tell Jagdeo to accept my decision. That's what I call a man with balls. Your noble Jagdeo has balls to play start boy to hug-up and kiss-up. There is no turning back, buddy. You can kiss PPP goodbye and cry to your heart desire.
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General changes can be made with a majority of votes.
However, the major changes require, as a minimum, sixty six percent of the MPs.
These aspects were in the new constitution when the PNC miraculously obtained more than sixty six percent of the MPs at the rigged elections, which started by Burnham in the election after independence.
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caribny posted:Amral posted:Can Caricom intervene?
No. The secretariat isn't empowered to act against a head of state, and no head of state will act against another one.
Any GTAngler says that Granger can do this then he did nothing wrong.
Granger had the upper hand all along when he was given the leeway to interpret who should be a "fit and proper person"
Article 161 (2) states, âSubject to the provision of paragraph (4), the Chairman of the Elections Commission shall be a person who holds or who has held office as a Judge of a court having unlimited jurisdiction in civil and criminal matters in some part of the Commonwealth or a court having jurisdiction in appeals from any such court, or who is qualified to be appointed as any such Judge, or any other fit and proper person, to be appointed by the President from a list of six persons, not unacceptable to the President, submitted by the Leader of the Opposition after meaningful consultation with the non-governmental political parties represented in the National Assembly.â
This gives him the authority to appoint a rigger.
Provided that if the Minority Leader fails to submit a list as provided, for the President shall appoint a person who holds or has held office as a judge of a court having unlimited jurisdiction in civil and criminal matters in some part of the Commonwealth or a court having jurisdiction in appeals from any such court or who is qualified to be appointed as any such judge.
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Drugb posted:This gives him the authority to appoint a rigger.
Provided that if the Minority Leader fails to submit a list as provided, for the President shall appoint a person who holds or has held office as a judge of a court having unlimited jurisdiction in civil and criminal matters in some part of the Commonwealth or a court having jurisdiction in appeals from any such court or who is qualified to be appointed as any such judge.
The president received a list from the Leader of the Opposition, hence the president was bound to select one or reject the entire list.
In that case the leader of the opposition can then submit another list.
In this specific instance, the president rejected the list of nominees and unilaterally appoint a person to the position.
From all legal positions, the president implemented his sole decision on this matter without any guidance from the constitution.
Also, the decision was based on what he-the president personally believes, not what the constitution outlines.
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Demerara_Guy posted:Drugb posted:This gives him the authority to appoint a rigger.
Provided that if the Minority Leader fails to submit a list as provided, for the President shall appoint a person who holds or has held office as a judge of a court having unlimited jurisdiction in civil and criminal matters in some part of the Commonwealth or a court having jurisdiction in appeals from any such court or who is qualified to be appointed as any such judge.
The president received a list from the Leader of the Opposition, hence the president was bound to select one or reject the entire list.
In that case the leader of the opposition can then submit another list.
In this specific instance, the president rejected the list of nominees and unilaterally appoint a person to the position.
From all legal positions, the president implemented his sole decision on this matter without any guidance from the constitution.
Also, the decision was based on what he-the president personally believes, not what the constitution outlines.
You missed these two words and it invalidates your argument. If Granger found the list to not fit the criteria, no judges or fit and proper person then he can appoint his own judge.
Provided that if the Minority Leader fails to submit a list as provided
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DrugB ... Reread the entire sections of the constitution on the selection of the Chairman.
Also of note, Granger must give his reasons for rejecting each member of the list. He did not do so.
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Demerara_Guy posted:DrugB ... Reread the entire sections of the constitution on the selection of the Chairman.
Also of note, Granger must give his reasons for rejecting each member of the list. He did not do so.
Our jackass Granger will make up a reason, there is no burden on him to justify the reason, he could merely say, "meh nah like dem rass".
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"Asked if he agreed with Patterson's appointment, Ramjattan said "I certainly would agree with the choice yes because it is the president's choice and he didn't find it acceptable the other names and he found that one acceptable. That's my opinion on the issue"Â.
Can someone please translate what Ramjattan stated here into English.
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This evening the AFC issued a statement fully supporting Granger and blaming BJ for the whole thing. The AFC has just nailed its own coffin.
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Drugb posted:caribny posted:Why not. Jagdeo would impose an elected dictatorship over blacks if he had his way. Yes taking back Guyana for "his" people who he defined as rural people "we know who they are".
Of course we expected you to support jackass Granger's dictatorship move. Now somehow you found a way to change the focus to Jagdeo who you claimed called the PPP a coolie people party, that is until I schooled you and exposed your wickedness. It was in fact the PNC who called the PPP a coolie people party during their campaign.
Of course I would expect you to defend Jagdeo the Indo dictator. Now he is screaming about taking Guyana back to the 60s. This is Jagdeo's "mo fiah" moment.
Now you are an infant so you don't know, but Guyana will not survive if the 60s comes back again.
Rohee called the PPP a coolie people party and said that Jagdeo was right to describe as such. He said its Indo supported and Indo led. Then we have Jagdeo screaming that "our base is in the rural areas, you know who they are". And then screaming "if you don't vote for the PPP GDF and GPF are going to rape and kill you". Then going into Amerindian areas and ranting that if the PNC wins they will kill all straight haired people.
When asked to prove that he wasn't a racist Jagdeo was unable to furnish proof. You see you cannot go to an intelligent person like Hughes and show pictures of Jagdeo pushing up against black women and then offer this as proof that he isn't racist. So he was unable to prove his point when he sued Kissoon because he called him an institutional racist.
Any way you are a person who screams that blacks are a bunch of criminal failures so can see why you cannot fathom why over 95% of Guyanese blacks think that he is a racist.
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Gilbakka posted:This evening the AFC issued a statement fully supporting Granger and blaming BJ for the whole thing. The AFC has just nailed its own coffin.
That coffin was nailed since 2015. The notion that there was significant cross ethnic voting is share nonsense.
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Drugb posted:.Also of note, Granger must give his reasons for rejecting each member of the list. He did not do soOur jackass Granger will make up a reason, there is no burden on him to justify the reason, he could merely say, "meh nah like dem rass".
Funny thing this. The PPP had 23 years to change the constitution and didn't want to do that. You see Burnham's constitution suited their purposes.
Now they ran and scream " we gun tek back Guyana to de 60s". Do they think that their supporters will benefit if this were to happen?
caribny posted:Drugb posted:caribny posted:Why not. Jagdeo would impose an elected dictatorship over blacks if he had his way. Yes taking back Guyana for "his" people who he defined as rural people "we know who they are".
Of course we expected you to support jackass Granger's dictatorship move. Now somehow you found a way to change the focus to Jagdeo who you claimed called the PPP a coolie people party, that is until I schooled you and exposed your wickedness. It was in fact the PNC who called the PPP a coolie people party during their campaign.
Of course I would expect you to defend Jagdeo the Indo dictator. Now he is screaming about taking Guyana back to the 60s. This is Jagdeo's "mo fiah" moment.
Now you are an infant so you don't know, but Guyana will not survive if the 60s comes back again.
Rohee called the PPP a coolie people party and said that Jagdeo was right to describe as such. He said its Indo supported and Indo led. Then we have Jagdeo screaming that "our base is in the rural areas, you know who they are". And then screaming "if you don't vote for the PPP GDF and GPF are going to rape and kill you". Then going into Amerindian areas and ranting that if the PNC wins they will kill all straight haired people.
When asked to prove that he wasn't a racist Jagdeo was unable to furnish proof. You see you cannot go to an intelligent person like Hughes and show pictures of Jagdeo pushing up against black women and then offer this as proof that he isn't racist. So he was unable to prove his point when he sued Kissoon because he called him an institutional racist.
Any way you are a person who screams that blacks are a bunch of criminal failures so can see why you cannot fathom why over 95% of Guyanese blacks think that he is a racist.
Why don't you shut your racist ass. You repeat the same shit over and over and hope that people will believe you. GNI has given you a long rope this forum has allowed you to spill racist hate.
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kp posted:Why don't you shut your racist ass. You repeat the same shit over and over and hope that people will believe you. GNI has given you a long rope this forum has allowed you to spill racist hate.
Oh yes discussing that Jagdeo is a racist, and couldn't prove that he wasn't is racist.
Now Jagdeo wants to take Guyana back to the 60s. If Granger had said that you all would be screaming "black man a kill ahbe".
But continue to be Jagdeo's slave.
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ksazma posted:"Asked if he agreed with Patterson's appointment, Ramjattan said "I certainly would agree with the choice yes because it is the president's choice and he didn't find it acceptable the other names and he found that one acceptable. That's my opinion on the issue"Â.
Can someone please translate what Ramjattan stated here into English.
Perhaps stating ....
"I must agree, 1,000,000,000 percent, or else ...."
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caribny posted:Drugb posted:Also of note, Granger must give his reasons for rejecting each member of the list. He did not do so
Our jackass Granger will make up a reason, there is no burden on him to justify the reason, he could merely say, "meh nah like dem rass".
Funny thing this. The PPP had 23 years to change the constitution and didn't want to do that. You see Burnham's constitution suited their purposes.
Now they ran and scream " we gun tek back Guyana to de 60s". Do they think that their supporters will benefit if this were to happen?
Major parts of the constitution require as a minimum sixty six percent of the MPs in parliament.
The current legislature has 33 members for the government and 32 for the opposition.
GTAngler posted:Zed posted:GTAngler posted:Even if they could, Granger followed the Constitution to a T.
Please explain how.
Read the Constitution. In particular, Article 161 Sub Paragraph 2 on page 130.
You might want to reread the constitution or get some one to help you understand what you are reading. These documents get complicated with all their paragraphs and proviso, etc. Also, refer to the chief justice recent written ruling or have some lawyer explain that to you. If you do not have it, Django might be able to get it for you. He seems able to find these.
Drugb posted:Demerara_Guy posted:Drugb posted:This gives him the authority to appoint a rigger.
Provided that if the Minority Leader fails to submit a list as provided, for the President shall appoint a person who holds or has held office as a judge of a court having unlimited jurisdiction in civil and criminal matters in some part of the Commonwealth or a court having jurisdiction in appeals from any such court or who is qualified to be appointed as any such judge.
The president received a list from the Leader of the Opposition, hence the president was bound to select one or reject the entire list.
In that case the leader of the opposition can then submit another list.
In this specific instance, the president rejected the list of nominees and unilaterally appoint a person to the position.
From all legal positions, the president implemented his sole decision on this matter without any guidance from the constitution.
Also, the decision was based on what he-the president personally believes, not what the constitution outlines.
You missed these two words and it invalidates your argument. If Granger found the list to not fit the criteria, no judges or fit and proper person then he can appoint his own judge.
Provided that if the Minority Leader fails to submit a list as provided
What happened to the decision of the Chief Justice? Of no validity?
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Zed posted:Drugb posted:Demerara_Guy posted:Drugb posted:This gives him the authority to appoint a rigger.
Provided that if the Minority Leader fails to submit a list as provided, for the President shall appoint a person who holds or has held office as a judge of a court having unlimited jurisdiction in civil and criminal matters in some part of the Commonwealth or a court having jurisdiction in appeals from any such court or who is qualified to be appointed as any such judge.
The president received a list from the Leader of the Opposition, hence the president was bound to select one or reject the entire list.
In that case the leader of the opposition can then submit another list.
In this specific instance, the president rejected the list of nominees and unilaterally appoint a person to the position.
From all legal positions, the president implemented his sole decision on this matter without any guidance from the constitution.
Also, the decision was based on what he-the president personally believes, not what the constitution outlines.
You missed these two words and it invalidates your argument. If Granger found the list to not fit the criteria, no judges or fit and proper person then he can appoint his own judge.
Provided that if the Minority Leader fails to submit a list as provided
What happened to the decision of the Chief Justice? Of no validity?
It does not address the freedom of the president to arbitrarily find a candidate unacceptable for frivolous reasons.
Zed posted:Drugb posted:Demerara_Guy posted:Drugb posted:This gives him the authority to appoint a rigger.
Provided that if the Minority Leader fails to submit a list as provided, for the President shall appoint a person who holds or has held office as a judge of a court having unlimited jurisdiction in civil and criminal matters in some part of the Commonwealth or a court having jurisdiction in appeals from any such court or who is qualified to be appointed as any such judge.
The president received a list from the Leader of the Opposition, hence the president was bound to select one or reject the entire list.
In that case the leader of the opposition can then submit another list.
In this specific instance, the president rejected the list of nominees and unilaterally appoint a person to the position.
From all legal positions, the president implemented his sole decision on this matter without any guidance from the constitution.
Also, the decision was based on what he-the president personally believes, not what the constitution outlines.
You missed these two words and it invalidates your argument. If Granger found the list to not fit the criteria, no judges or fit and proper person then he can appoint his own judge.
Provided that if the Minority Leader fails to submit a list as provided
What happened to the decision of the Chief Justice? Of no validity?
"The ruling by Chief Justice (ag), Roxanne George-Wiltshire, allows the President to unilaterally appoint a Chairman of the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM)but Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo believes the judgment only applies to future processes."
CJ ruling allows president to unilaterally appoint GECOM Chair in the future.
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Amral posted:
In this video clip I notice that old man Patterson was going to sign the document with the wrong end of the pen. Baap ray baap. Bungling begins. He might beat Basil.
Yuh notice that too eh
Who say we old ??? we still sharp and got good eyes.
Granger sign with he own pen rass. The man is a pro. Carry yuh own pen and use it. Show them who is boss
Drugb posted:Zed posted:Drugb posted:Demerara_Guy posted:Drugb posted:This gives him the authority to appoint a rigger.
Provided that if the Minority Leader fails to submit a list as provided, for the President shall appoint a person who holds or has held office as a judge of a court having unlimited jurisdiction in civil and criminal matters in some part of the Commonwealth or a court having jurisdiction in appeals from any such court or who is qualified to be appointed as any such judge.
The president received a list from the Leader of the Opposition, hence the president was bound to select one or reject the entire list.
In that case the leader of the opposition can then submit another list.
In this specific instance, the president rejected the list of nominees and unilaterally appoint a person to the position.
From all legal positions, the president implemented his sole decision on this matter without any guidance from the constitution.
Also, the decision was based on what he-the president personally believes, not what the constitution outlines.
You missed these two words and it invalidates your argument. If Granger found the list to not fit the criteria, no judges or fit and proper person then he can appoint his own judge.
Provided that if the Minority Leader fails to submit a list as provided
What happened to the decision of the Chief Justice? Of no validity?
It does not address the freedom of the president to arbitrarily find a candidate unacceptable for frivolous reasons.
What has to happen before the president exercise his right to appoint unilaterally? What is the process? That for me is the crucial issue. Many are missing that so as to assign blame. It takes two to discuss. If one of the parties has a particular outcome already decided on, then the other party is from day one at a disadvantage.
It is amazing that Granger is saying to the Guyanese people that these people on Jagdeo's three lists, or many accomplishments, are not 'fit and proper'. Does he not realize what Guyanese are thinking about themselves now with Granger's apparent definition of 'fit and proper'.
The rigging has started. Coolies will never learn that they cannot trust the blackman.
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Gilbakka posted:This evening the AFC issued a statement fully supporting Granger and blaming BJ for the whole thing. The AFC has just nailed its own coffin.
When you play with dogs, you are bound to get fleas. I am not saying that the PNC are dogs because the AFC would nailed their coffin by joining with the PPP too. The AFC most effective role was to be a disruptor to whoever was in office. They had enough votes to be a strong third force but they wanted to enjoy the fruits of the other two parties who have been in the struggle for more than half a century before their formation. Now they are irrelevant and emasculated.
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Gilbakka posted:Amral posted:In this video clip I notice that old man Patterson was going to sign the document with the wrong end of the pen. Baap ray baap. Bungling begins. He might beat Basil.
Plus Granger did not get up to shake Patterson's hand. Then it looked like Patterson was going to stay there and Granger told him 'guh sit dahsaide'
Demerara_Guy posted:ksazma posted:"Asked if he agreed with Patterson's appointment, Ramjattan said "I certainly would agree with the choice yes because it is the president's choice and he didn't find it acceptable the other names and he found that one acceptable. That's my opinion on the issue"Â.
Can someone please translate what Ramjattan stated here into English.
Perhaps stating ....
"I must agree, 1,000,000,000 percent, or else ...."
Reading what Rumjaat said, maybe he was drunk when he made that statement. He has to agree with Granger at all times. . He found that name acceptable, Where did that name come from???was it ever discussed???
Ramakant-P posted:The rigging has started. Coolies will never learn that they cannot trust the blackman.
so how come Corbin is your buddy friend?
Drugb posted:caribny posted:Amral posted:Can Caricom intervene?
No. The secretariat isn't empowered to act against a head of state, and no head of state will act against another one.
Any GTAngler says that Granger can do this then he did nothing wrong.
Granger had the upper hand all along when he was given the leeway to interpret who should be a "fit and proper person"
Article 161 (2) states, âSubject to the provision of paragraph (4), the Chairman of the Elections Commission shall be a person who holds or who has held office as a Judge of a court having unlimited jurisdiction in civil and criminal matters in some part of the Commonwealth or a court having jurisdiction in appeals from any such court, or who is qualified to be appointed as any such Judge, or any other fit and proper person, to be appointed by the President from a list of six persons, not unacceptable to the President, submitted by the Leader of the Opposition after meaningful consultation with the non-governmental political parties represented in the National Assembly.â
This gives him the authority to appoint a rigger.
Provided that if the Minority Leader fails to submit a list as provided, for the President shall appoint a person who holds or has held office as a judge of a court having unlimited jurisdiction in civil and criminal matters in some part of the Commonwealth or a court having jurisdiction in appeals from any such court or who is qualified to be appointed as any such judge.
Exactly why the constitution needs to be amended. He can refuse lists to his heart's content and then thumb his nose and put whomever he chooses, which is exactly what he did.
Zed posted:GTAngler posted:Zed posted:GTAngler posted:Even if they could, Granger followed the Constitution to a T.
Please explain how.
Read the Constitution. In particular, Article 161 Sub Paragraph 2 on page 130.
You might want to reread the constitution or get some one to help you understand what you are reading. These documents get complicated with all their paragraphs and proviso, etc. Also, refer to the chief justice recent written ruling or have some lawyer explain that to you. If you do not have it, Django might be able to get it for you. He seems able to find these.
I need help understanding? I said he used and followed the constitution to a T. Why don't you explain what Granger did wrong then? The only thing wrong here is the constitution itself.
GTAngler posted:Zed posted:GTAngler posted:Zed posted:GTAngler posted:Even if they could, Granger followed the Constitution to a T.
Please explain how.
Read the Constitution. In particular, Article 161 Sub Paragraph 2 on page 130.
You might want to reread the constitution or get some one to help you understand what you are reading. These documents get complicated with all their paragraphs and proviso, etc. Also, refer to the chief justice recent written ruling or have some lawyer explain that to you. If you do not have it, Django might be able to get it for you. He seems able to find these.
I need help understanding? I said he used and followed the constitution to a T. Why don't you explain what Granger did wrong then? The only thing wrong here is the constitution itself.
You know that the alphabet starts at A and proceeds quite while until it gets to T. Same thing with the constitutional requirement. Reread what the constitution stipulates and what the Chief Justice ruled.
Please see my post about what granger has to do at the beginning of the process and when he can exercise his authority to unilaterally make a selection.
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Demerara_Guy posted:Major parts of the constitution require as a minimum sixty six percent of the MPs in parliament.
This being the PPP excuse. Well sit down and take Granger's choice now because he is NOT in violation of the constitution. All he needs to say is " I don't like the 18 selected" and he has satisfied the constitution. He is NOT obligated to chose from this if they don't meet his satisfaction.
The Carter arrangement set in place a mechanism where the president would chose from a list provided by the opposition, but this isn't baked into the constitution so isn't illegal.
So continue to make excuses for retaining the Burnham constitution.
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Zed posted:GTAngler posted:I need help understanding? I said he used and followed the constitution to a T. Why don't you explain what Granger did wrong then? The only thing wrong here is the constitution itself.
You know that the alphabet starts at A and proceeds quite while until it gets to T. Same thing with the constitutional requirement. Reread what the constitution stipulates and what the Chief Justice ruled.
Please see my post about what granger has to do at the beginning of the process and when he can exercise his authority to unilaterally make a selection.
Correct Zed.
The constitution is quite clear that the Leader of the Opposition must submit a list to the president from which a person should be chosen.
The only specific occasion that the president can name a person is when the Leader of the Opposition does not submit a list.
In all cases the Leader of the Opposition submitted a list.
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GTAngler posted:Exactly why the constitution needs to be amended. He can refuse lists to his heart's content and then thumb his nose and put whomever he chooses, which is exactly what he did.
People are of the impression that the Carter mechanism to insist that the GECOM be selected by the president from the list is the constitutional arrangement. Granger is NOT under any obligation to abide by this agreement.
All those who said NOTHING when Jagdeo refused to change the constitution, because it suited his purposes, need to sit up and learn their lesson.
Jagdeo operated from the premise that the PPP would never lose. Well they did and now the limitations of the constitution are being used against them.
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Appointed by the President from a list of six persons, not unacceptable to the President, submitted by the Leader of the Opposition after meaningful consultation with the non-governmental political parties represented in the National Assembly.â
Granger said the list isn't acceptable to him. The constitution doesn't say that he must justify his choice. All it says is that the list is unacceptable to the president.
They can carry this to court.
The PPP never thought that they would lose so didn't see why the constitution should be fixed. Clearly the PNC wasn't going to change their own constitution as they dreamed of the day when they would regain power.
So here we are and people can scream about why Granger isn't abiding by the Carter mechanism, but there is nothing that legally prevents him from refusing to do this.
Jagdeo will make better use of his time if he insists that an independent commission be established to change the constitution. On that he will have the support of most right thinking Guyanese. But he will NOT do this as he loves the constitution, because if he wins it serves his interests very well.
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Demerara_Guy posted:The constitution is quite clear that the Leader of the Opposition must submit a list to the president from which a person should be chosen.
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Please post where it says that Granger must chose from Jagdeo's list.
It specifically says that if the president doesn't think that the list is suitable, and note that all that is needed is the president to think that it isn't suitable, then he can chose his own, based on certain criteria.
Dragging up what the PPP did, in an era when they thought it impossible that they would ever lose an election, because of our ethnic demographics, is irrelevant.
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Ramakant-P posted:The rigging has started. Coolies will never learn that they cannot trust the blackman.
And the Indo KKK behavior of the PPP itself and of vast numbers of PPP supporters justifies why blacks cannot trust Indians either.
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caribny posted:Demerara_Guy posted:Major parts of the constitution require as a minimum sixty six percent of the MPs in parliament.
This being the PPP excuse. Well sit down and take Granger's choice now because he is NOT in violation of the constitution. All he needs to say is " I don't like the 18 selected" and he has satisfied the constitution. He is NOT obligated to chose from this if they don't meet his satisfaction.
The Carter arrangement set in place a mechanism where the president would chose from a list provided by the opposition, but this isn't baked into the constitution so isn't illegal.
So continue to make excuses for retaining the Burnham constitution.
1. Perhaps, you need to become conversant with the Guyana constitution.
2. Granger is in absolute violation of the constitution since he unilaterally elected the Chairman of GECOM.
3. The constitution does not give a president the authority say; "I do not like the listed candidates"; reject a list of nominees and then appoint unilaterally a GECOM chairman.
4. And regarding the constitution, study it again on the requirements for making those important changes. It requires, as a minimum, two-thirds of support of the MPs in parliament.
5. The provision were made by Burnham when he; miraculously; got more than two thirds of the MPs elected for his party.
6. Currently, PPP/C and PNCR/AFC has 52 and 53 seats respectively.
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caribny posted:Demerara_Guy posted:The constitution is quite clear that the Leader of the Opposition must submit a list to the president from which a person should be chosen.
Please post where it says that Granger must chose from Jagdeo's list.
It specifically says that if the president doesn't think that the list is suitable, and note that all that is needed is the president to think that it isn't suitable, then he can chose his own, based on certain criteria.
Dragging up what the PPP did, in an era when they thought it impossible that they would ever lose an election, because of our ethnic demographics, is irrelevant.
Take the time to read the Guyana constitution, c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y.
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Demerara_Guy posted:.1.
2. Granger is in absolute violation of the constitution since he unilaterally elected the Chairman of GECOM.
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If the leader of the opposition fails to submit a list as provided, meaning a list which includes people who the PRESIDENT thinks are suitable, then the president is free to make his choice.
1. The test is that the PRESIDENT needs to find these people suitable.
2. The President is under no obligation to state why he does NOT think that these people are suitable.
3. If no suitable people are submitted in the list than he can make his own selection.
This was crafted by Burnham and the PPP needs to remember this.
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Demerara_Guy posted:Take the time to read the Guyana constitution, c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y.
Time for you to furnish evidence that the president is forced to accept someone from a list furnished by the president. He is NOT. All this says is that the process must BEGIN with a list(s) submitted by the president. This was done.
Granger allowed 18 names, so more than the 6 stipulated. None were acceptable to him so he made his own choice.
You always scream about how nothing can be done about the constitution. I bet you all decide to that it should be changed now, given how much power this gives to the president.
caribny posted:Demerara_Guy posted:.1.
2. Granger is in absolute violation of the constitution since he unilaterally elected the Chairman of GECOM.
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If the leader of the opposition fails to submit a list as provided, meaning a list which includes people who the PRESIDENT thinks are suitable, then the president is free to make his choice.
1. The test is that the PRESIDENT needs to find these people suitable.
2. The President is under no obligation to state why he does NOT think that these people are suitable.
3. If no suitable people are submitted in the list than he can make his own selection.
This was crafted by Burnham and the PPP needs to remember this.
The PPP probably kept this in place because they never thought that the people would kick them out on their tiefin asses.
Zed posted:GTAngler posted:Zed posted:GTAngler posted:Zed posted:GTAngler posted:Even if they could, Granger followed the Constitution to a T.
Please explain how.
Read the Constitution. In particular, Article 161 Sub Paragraph 2 on page 130.
You might want to reread the constitution or get some one to help you understand what you are reading. These documents get complicated with all their paragraphs and proviso, etc. Also, refer to the chief justice recent written ruling or have some lawyer explain that to you. If you do not have it, Django might be able to get it for you. He seems able to find these.
I need help understanding? I said he used and followed the constitution to a T. Why don't you explain what Granger did wrong then? The only thing wrong here is the constitution itself.
You know that the alphabet starts at A and proceeds quite while until it gets to T. Same thing with the constitutional requirement. Reread what the constitution stipulates and what the Chief Justice ruled.
Please see my post about what granger has to do at the beginning of the process and when he can exercise his authority to unilaterally make a selection.
I asked you to explain. Apparently you still can't grasp what I am saying. I said he followed the CONSTITUTION as it is currently worded.
caribny posted:Demerara_Guy posted:Take the time to read the Guyana constitution, c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y.
Time for you to furnish evidence that the president is forced to accept someone from a list furnished by the president. He is NOT. All this says is that the process must BEGIN with a list(s) submitted by the president. This was done.
Granger allowed 18 names, so more than the 6 stipulated. None were acceptable to him so he made his own choice.
You always scream about how nothing can be done about the constitution. I bet you all decide to that it should be changed now, given how much power this gives to the president.
Good luck trying to explain it's the wording of the constitution and it's lack of imposing any restrictions to him that Granger used.
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caribny posted:Demerara_Guy posted:Take the time to read the Guyana constitution, c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y.
Time for you to furnish evidence that the president is forced to accept someone from a list furnished by the president. He is NOT. All this says is that the process must BEGIN with a list(s) submitted by the president. This was done.
Granger allowed 18 names, so more than the 6 stipulated. None were acceptable to him so he made his own choice.
You always scream about how nothing can be done about the constitution. I bet you all decide to that it should be changed now, given how much power this gives to the president.
I have provided the exact sections of the constitution many times on this specific topic which clearly stated that Granger's selection is in error and in violation of the process.
Again, the president can indeed appoint someone of his choice ONLY when the Opposition Leader does NOT submit a list of candidates.
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Mars posted:.The PPP probably kept this in place because they never thought that the people would kick them out on their tiefin asses.
The irony is that, with the PPP not sure of the inevitability of victory their behavior would have been no different. One can see the names that Jagdeo selected and a significant numbers of these suggest that he wasn't serious about the process.
Ryhaan Shah....a person who hates blacks with the same passion of the white supremacists!!!!!!!
Demerara_Guy posted:Zed posted:GTAngler posted:I need help understanding? I said he used and followed the constitution to a T. Why don't you explain what Granger did wrong then? The only thing wrong here is the constitution itself.
You know that the alphabet starts at A and proceeds quite while until it gets to T. Same thing with the constitutional requirement. Reread what the constitution stipulates and what the Chief Justice ruled.
Please see my post about what granger has to do at the beginning of the process and when he can exercise his authority to unilaterally make a selection.
Correct Zed.
The constitution is quite clear that the Leader of the Opposition must submit a list to the president from which a person should be chosen.
The only specific occasion that the president can name a person is when the Leader of the Opposition does not submit a list.
In all cases the Leader of the Opposition submitted a list.
It states "list not provided for". That doesn't mean no list. It means the list submitted did not meet Granger's criteria.
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Demerara_Guy posted:.I have provided the exact sections of the constitution many times on this specific topic
Let me summarize this.
1. The leader of the opposition must submit six names. If these are suitable to the president he selects one.
2. If not suitable to the president then he can make a unilateral decision.
3. He is under no obligation to state why the 6 are deemed unsuitable to him.
This isn't about submitting the names of suitable people. This about people suitable to the PRESIDENT.
You can read part of the constitution, interpret it as you wish, and then ignore the clause that Burnham stuck in to ensure control. But that doesn't change the facts.
This is a constitution which gives the president too much power and the silly PPP didn't change it because they thought that they would rule forever.
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GTAngler posted:.It states "list not provided for". That doesn't mean no list. It means the list submitted did not meet Granger's criteria.
Don't know why this fact escapes the PPP. NOW they will cease praising this constitution. I recall Jagdeo boasting that it was the best one in CARICOM.
Demerara_Guy posted:caribny posted:Demerara_Guy posted:Take the time to read the Guyana constitution, c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y.
Time for you to furnish evidence that the president is forced to accept someone from a list furnished by the president. He is NOT. All this says is that the process must BEGIN with a list(s) submitted by the president. This was done.
Granger allowed 18 names, so more than the 6 stipulated. None were acceptable to him so he made his own choice.
You always scream about how nothing can be done about the constitution. I bet you all decide to that it should be changed now, given how much power this gives to the president.
I have provided the exact sections of the constitution many times on this specific topic which clearly stated that Granger's selection is in error and in violation of the process.
Again, the president can indeed appoint someone of his choice ONLY when the Opposition Leader does NOT submit a list of candidates.
At first glance it would seem that way but the words "as provided for" are what make the difference and gave Granger an avenue out.
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caribny posted:Demerara_Guy posted:2. Granger is in absolute violation of the constitution since he unilaterally elected the Chairman of GECOM.
If the leader of the opposition fails to submit a list as provided, meaning a list which includes people who the PRESIDENT thinks are suitable, then the president is free to make his choice.
1. The test is that the PRESIDENT needs to find these people suitable.
2. The President is under no obligation to state why he does NOT think that these people are suitable.
3. If no suitable people are submitted in the list than he can make his own selection.
This was crafted by Burnham and the PPP needs to remember this.
Regarding your point 3. ... Incorrect and contrary to the constitution.
On this highlighted point above ... "If the leader of the opposition fails to submit..."
Your statement is incorrect.
The process is ...
1. Leader of the Opposition submit a list of candidates.
2. President review and accept one or rejects the entire list.
3. Leader of the Opposition resubmits list(s) and president can reject.
4. The ONLY time that the president can unilaterally appoint the GECOM chairman is when the Leader of the Opposition FAILS to submit a list.
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Zed posted:.What has to happen before the president exercise his right to appoint unilaterally? What is the process?
We can see that some of the names mentioned on Jagdeo's list were frivolous or even disrespectful. Not to say that all were but please don't fool yourself that Jagdeo didn't deliberately plan to provoke a crisis.
You need to stop looking for what a rational constitution would have, with checks and balances and understand that this constitution replaced a prior one. This constitution was to ensure that control remained within the soul domain of the president.
So Granger can say that he doesn't find the names submitted to be suitable. Has no obligation to say why. He can then move on to make his own unilateral decision.
In 1992 Guyanese were told that one of the first actions of the PPP was to change the constitution. 23 years later they did NOTHING, because they too liked concentration of power in the hands of the president.
The PPP just couldn't imagine a scenario where they would lose an election, given the ethnic demographics of Guyana. They didn't predict the implosion of the Indian population and a rapidly expanding mixed identified population, so a constitution giving outsized power to the president was to their liking.
Demerara_Guy posted:caribny posted:Demerara_Guy posted:2. Granger is in absolute violation of the constitution since he unilaterally elected the Chairman of GECOM.
If the leader of the opposition fails to submit a list as provided, meaning a list which includes people who the PRESIDENT thinks are suitable, then the president is free to make his choice.
1. The test is that the PRESIDENT needs to find these people suitable.
2. The President is under no obligation to state why he does NOT think that these people are suitable.
3. If no suitable people are submitted in the list than he can make his own selection.
This was crafted by Burnham and the PPP needs to remember this.
Regarding your point 3. ... Incorrect and contrary to the constitution.
On this highlighted point above ... "If the leader of the opposition fails to submit..."
Your statement is incorrect.
The process is ...
1. Leader of the Opposition submit a list of candidates.
2. President review and accept one or rejects the entire list.
3. Leader of the Opposition resubmits list(s) and president can reject.
4. The ONLY time that the president can unilaterally appoint the GECOM chairman is when the Leader of the Opposition FAILS to submit a list.
Incorrect. The list must be acceptable to the president. The Chief Justice made her ruling on this but I guess you know more legalese than the Chief Justice from your perch in the nursing home.
Demerara_Guy posted:caribny posted:Demerara_Guy posted:Take the time to read the Guyana constitution, c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y.
Time for you to furnish evidence that the president is forced to accept someone from a list furnished by the president. He is NOT. All this says is that the process must BEGIN with a list(s) submitted by the president. This was done.
Granger allowed 18 names, so more than the 6 stipulated. None were acceptable to him so he made his own choice.
You always scream about how nothing can be done about the constitution. I bet you all decide to that it should be changed now, given how much power this gives to the president.
I have provided the exact sections of the constitution many times on this specific topic which clearly stated that Granger's selection is in error and in violation of the process.
Again, the president can indeed appoint someone of his choice ONLY when the Opposition Leader does NOT submit a list of candidates.
to be appointed by the Presidentfrom a list of six persons, not unacceptable to the President, submitted by the Minority Leader
Former Member
Django posted:.to be appointed by the Presidentfrom a list of six persons, not unacceptable to the President, submitted by the Minority Leader
Now I understand the PPPs angst. They had 23 years to change Burnham's constitution and did NOTHING. Now this same constitution is being used against them they cry and wail.
Well Burnham did NOT intend anyone to head GECOM unless it was someone who he approved of and he deliberately put in place mechanisms to ensure that if the opposition didn't submit someone to his liking that he would have an alternate!
I remember D2 used to insist that the PPP adjust to the fact that shifting ethnic demographics increased the probability of an electoral loss. He insisted that the constitution be changed.
He was dismissed as an anti Indian racist amidst screams of "ahbe pan tap...cooolie man time now.....black man time done....blackman will never be president again".
Former Member
caribny posted:Now I understand the PPPs angst. They had 23 years to change Burnham's constitution and did NOTHING. Now this same constitution is being used against them they cry and wail.
For the umpteen times ...
1. It requires as a minimum of at least two-thirds of the MPs to support these major changes to the constitution.
2. Burnham implemented the conditions when he miraculously obtained more than two-thirds of the MPs in parliament.
3. And again, the PPP/C and the PNCR/AFC has 32 and 33 representatives.
Former Member
Demerara_Guy posted:caribny posted:Now I understand the PPPs angst. They had 23 years to change Burnham's constitution and did NOTHING. Now this same constitution is being used against them they cry and wail.
For the umpteen times ...
1. It requires as a minimum of at least two-thirds of the MPs to support these major changes to the constitution.
.
So cease whining about the Burnham constitution then. Granger did what is within his rights to do and I don't see why you have a problem with it.
Former Member
caribny posted:Well Burnham did NOT intend anyone to head GECOM unless it was someone who he approved of and he deliberately put in place mechanisms to ensure that if the opposition didn't submit someone to his liking that he would have an alternate!
Burnham has absolutely nothing to do with the formation of GECOM.
GECOM was established by an amendment to the constitution in 2000.
Former Member
Demerara_Guy posted:.GECOM was established by an amendment to the constitution in 2000.
Hmm. So it was Jagdeo who was the culprit. No shock given that he has the same dictatorial tendencies as did his mentor, Forbes Burnham.
Surely Jagdeo should then know that Granger can refuse the list and select who he wants, and without having to justify his actions.
I maintain that Jagdeo knew that Granger would fall into his trap which will have Jagdeo looking as if he cares about democracy.
Thanks for proving that Jagdeo is as dictatorial as Burnham was.
Former Member
caribny posted:Demerara_Guy posted:caribny posted:Now I understand the PPPs angst. They had 23 years to change Burnham's constitution and did NOTHING. Now this same constitution is being used against them they cry and wail.
For the umpteen times ...
1. It requires as a minimum of at least two-thirds of the MPs to support these major changes to the constitution.
So cease whining about the Burnham constitution then. Granger did what is within his rights to do and I don't see why you have a problem with it.
For the numerous times stated and what is clearly in the constitution ...
Granger did not follow the conditions of the constitution.
Former Member
Demerara_Guy posted:For the numerous times stated and what is clearly in the constitution ...
Granger did not follow the conditions of the constitution.
How so?
1. A list was furnished.
2. It wasn't satisfactory to the president
3. he then exercised his unilateral rights to make his own selection.
Try as hard as you might but these are the facts. If this was JAGDEO's constitutional amendment you should be familiar with it.
Now I know that Jagdeo thought at the time that he would be president for life (either directly or by selecting a stooge) so he didn't think of the possibility that one day some one might use this against him.
Former Member
caribny posted:Demerara_Guy posted:For the numerous times stated and what is clearly in the constitution ...
Granger did not follow the conditions of the constitution.
How so?
1. A list was furnished.
2. It wasn't satisfactory to the president
3. he then exercised his unilateral rights to make his own selection.
Try as hard as you might but these are the facts. If this was JAGDEO's constitutional amendment you should be familiar with it.
Now I know that Jagdeo thought at the time that he would be president for life (either directly or by selecting a stooge) so he didn't think of the possibility that one day some one might use this against him.
Yet again regarding your point 3. noted above ...
The president can ONLY appoint GECOM chairman, unilaterally, if the Leader of the Opposition DID NOT submit a list of candidates.
Demerara_Guy posted:caribny posted:Well Burnham did NOT intend anyone to head GECOM unless it was someone who he approved of and he deliberately put in place mechanisms to ensure that if the opposition didn't submit someone to his liking that he would have an alternate!
Burnham has absolutely nothing to do with the formation of GECOM.
GECOM was established by an amendment to the constitution in 2000.
GUYANA ACT NO. 2 OF 1980 CONSTITUTION OF THE CO-OPERATIVE REPUBLIC OF GUYANA ACT 1980
161.
(1) There shall be an Elections Commission for Guyana consisting of a Chairman and such other members as may be appointed in accordance with the provisions of this article.
(2) Subject to the provisions of paragraph (6), the Chairman of the Elections Commission shall be appointed by the President from among persons who hold or have held office as a judge of a court having unlimited jurisdiction in civil and criminal matters in some part of the Commonwealth or a court having jurisdiction in appeals from any such court or who are qualified to be appointed as any such judge.
(3) In addition to the Chairman, there shall be one member of the Commission (hereinafter referred to as a "representative member") in respect of every list of candidates which at the election next preceding the appointment of such member obtained not less that five seats in the Assembly: Provided that no appointment shall be made under this paragraph during the period of three months immediately following the date of an election held pursuant to the provisions of article 61.
(4) For the purposes of the preceding paragraph a list shall be regarded as having obtained a seat in the Assembly if a seat has been located to that list or if a person identified with that list has been elected in an electoral area established under article 160 (2).
(5) Subject to the provisions of paragraph (6), a representative member of the Commission shall be appointed by the President, acting, in the case of a member to be appointed in respect of the list in which the mane of the President was included as a Presidential candidate, in his own deliberate judgment, and in the case of any other member, in accordance with the advice of the person who, under such provisions may be made under article 63, has power to identify persons to fill casual vacancies among the seats of members of the national Assembly from the list in respect of which the member is appointed or, if a majority of the members of the Assembly who belong to that list notify the President th at he should act in accordance with the advice of some other member of the assembly who belongs to that list, in accordance with the advice of that member: Provided that if occasion arises for making an appointment while Parliament stands dissolved this paragraph shall have effect as if Parliament had not been dissolved.
(6) A person shall be disqualified for appointment as a member of the Commission if he is a public officer of an alien.
What is the above ???
Former Member
My statement ....
GECOM was established by an amendment to the constitution in 2000.
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Excerpt from GECOM web site ...
GECOM Source --- http://www.gecom.org.gy/elections_commission.html
Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM)
The Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) is the entity that is responsible for the administration and conduct of elections in Guyana. GECOM is headed by a Chairman and six Commissioners. GECOM is supported by core staff in its Secretariat. The work of the Commission is supplemented in its elections preparation and administration by thousands of temporary staff.
Issues Related to the Evolution of GECOM:
Prior to 1991, the Elections Commission was comprised of a Chairman who was appointed by the President and one member in respect of each political party, including the governmental party, which had not less than five seats in the National Assembly. The Chairman of this Elections Commission had to be a person who at the time was holding or had held office as a Judge of a Court having unlimited jurisdiction in civil and criminal matters in some part of the Commonwealth or a court having jurisdiction in appeals from any such court or who is qualified to be appointed as any such Judge. This Commission had a temporary life in that a member had to vacate office within three months of the date of the election for which he/she was appointed to be a commissioner. [See Article 161, Constitution of Guyana 1980.]
Electoral reform in Guyana started in 1990 and continued throughout the period preceding the 2001 General and Regional elections. During this process, the composition of the commission was changed in time for the management of the 1992 general elections. For the 1992 and 1997 elections, the Elections Commission was still a temporary institution constituted for each election. For example the Commission established by virtue of the Constitution Amendment Act No. 15 of 1995 had a limited life in that it only existed between the 12th December 1995 and the date of expiry of three months after the date of the General Elections of December 15, 1997.
The present GECOM was established in May 2000 by virtue of the Constitution (Amendment) Act No. 2 of 2000, which repealed and re-enacted article 161 of the Constitution on the basis of recommendations emerging from the Constitution Reform Commission that were ratified by Parliament. The re-enacted article 161 re-states the same mechanism for the appointment of the Commission as provided for since the 1992 general election but the Commission is now established as a permanent one. There is as yet no provision for a time limit or the period that commissioners are to serve. All of the powers which were previously exercised by or on behalf of the Minister responsible for the preparation for and administration of elections are now vested in the Commission.
See section 10 of the Election Laws (Amendment) Act No. 15 of 2000.
Appointment of the Chairperson and Commissioners:
Chairperson
The Chairman shall be a person who holds, has held or is qualified to hold the office of Judge of the High Court or the Court of Appeal or any other fit and proper person who is appointed from a list of six persons, who are not unacceptable to the President, submitted by the Leader of the Opposition after he has meaningfully consulted with the non-governmental political parties represented in the National Assembly. If the Leader of the Opposition does not submit such a list of persons then the President shall appoint a person who holds, has held or is qualified to hold the office of Judge of the High Court or the Court of Appeal. The current Chairman of the Commission was chosen by the President from a list of six persons submitted by the Leader of the Opposition.
[See Constitution (Amendment) Act No. 2 of 2000]
Members
In addition to the Chairman, the Constitution (Amendment) Act No. 2 of 2000 also provides for the appointment of six (6) members of the Commission in the following manner -
(a) Three (3) members appointed by the President, acting in his own deliberate judgement.
(b) Three (3) members appointed by the President acting on the advice of the Leader of the Opposition after he has meaningfully consulted the non-governmental opposition parties represented in the National Assembly.
Under the existing provisions, a non-Guyanese cannot be appointed as Chairperson or member of the Commission.
Former Member
Continuation and specific reference...
See section 10 of the Election Laws (Amendment) Act No. 15 of 2000.
Appointment of the Chairperson and Commissioners:
Chairperson
The Chairman shall be a person who holds, has held or is qualified to hold the office of Judge of the High Court or the Court of Appeal or any other fit and proper person who is appointed from a list of six persons, who are not unacceptable to the President, submitted by the Leader of the Opposition after he has meaningfully consulted with the non-governmental political parties represented in the National Assembly. If the Leader of the Opposition does not submit such a list of persons then the President shall appoint a person who holds, has held or is qualified to hold the office of Judge of the High Court or the Court of Appeal. The current Chairman of the Commission was chosen by the President from a list of six persons submitted by the Leader of the Opposition.
[See Constitution (Amendment) Act No. 2 of 2000]
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Note this specific part ...
If the Leader of the Opposition does not submit such a list of persons then the President shall appoint a person who holds, has held or is qualified to hold the office of Judge of the High Court or the Court of Appeal.
Former Member
Excerpt from the constitution
Source --- http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Con...Guyana/guyana96.html
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CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) ACT 1995
Act No. 15 of 1995
AN ACT to alter the Constitution in accordance with articles 66 and 164.
Enacted by the Parliament of Guyana: ââ
1. This Act may be cited as the Constitution (Amendment) Act 1995. Alteration of the Constitution.
2. During the period commencing on the date on which this Act comes into operation and ending on the date of the enactment of a new Constitution for Guyana or on the expiry of three months from the date of the next General Election, whichever is earlier, the Constitution shall have effect as if ââ
- for the article 161 the following article was substituted ââ
161.
- There shall be an Elections Commission for Guyana consisting of a Chairman and such other members as may be appointed in accordance with the provisions of this article.
- Subject to the provisions of paragraph (4), the Chairman of the Elections Commission shall be a person who holds or who has held office as a judge of a court having unlimited jurisdiction in civil and criminal matters in some part of the Commonwealth or a court having jurisdiction in appeals from any such court or who is qualified to be appointed as any such judge, or any other fit and proper person, to be appointed by the President from a list of six persons, not unacceptable to the President, submitted by the Minority Leader after consultation with the political parties represented in the National Assembly, other than the party to which the President belongs:
Provided that if the Minority Leader fails to submit a list as provided, for the President shall appoint a person who holds or has held office as a judge of a court having unlimited jurisdiction in civil and criminal matters in some part of the Commonwealth or a court having jurisdiction in appeals from any such court or who is qualified to be appointed as any such judge.
- In addition to the Chairman, there shall be six members of the Commission who shall be appointed in the following manner ââ
- three members to be appointed by the President, acting in his own deliberate judgment; and
- three members to be appointed by the President acting in accordance with the advice of the Minority Leader tendered after consultation with political parties represented in the National Assembly, other than the party to which the President belongs.
- A person shall be disqualified for the appointment as the Chairman or other member of the Commission if he is an alien.
- The Chairman or any other member of the Elections Commission shall vacate his office if any circumstances arise that, if he were not a member of the Commission, would cause him to be disqualified for appointment as such.
- The provisions of article 225 (which relate to removal from office) shall apply to the office of the Chairman or other members of the Elections Commission for the pur poses of paragraphs (4) and (6) of that article, the prescribed authority shall be the Prime Minister:
Provided that in the case of the members referred to in paragraph (3)(b), the Prime Minister shall consult the Minority Leader before tendering any advice to the President under article 225 (4).
- If, by reason of his illness, absence from Guyana, or suspension under article 225, the Chairman or any other member of the Elections Commission is unable to perform his functions as such, a temporary Chairman or other member, as the case may be, may be appointed in his place.
- The provisions of this article shall apply in relation to the appointment of a temporary Chairman or other member of the Elections Commission, and to a temporary Chai rman or other member appointed in accordance with this article, as they apply in relation to the Chairman or other member, as the case may be, of the Elections Commission in whose place he is appointed:
Provided that his appointment shall have effect only for the period ending when the person in whose place he has been appointed resumes his functions as, or ceases to be, the Chairman or other member, as the case may be, of the Commission.
Demerara_Guy posted:Continuation and specific reference...
See section 10 of the Election Laws (Amendment) Act No. 15 of 2000.
Appointment of the Chairperson and Commissioners:
Chairperson
The Chairman shall be a person who holds, has held or is qualified to hold the office of Judge of the High Court or the Court of Appeal or any other fit and proper person who is appointed from a list of six persons, who are not unacceptable to the President, submitted by the Leader of the Opposition after he has meaningfully consulted with the non-governmental political parties represented in the National Assembly. If the Leader of the Opposition does not submit such a list of persons then the President shall appoint a person who holds, has held or is qualified to hold the office of Judge of the High Court or the Court of Appeal. The current Chairman of the Commission was chosen by the President from a list of six persons submitted by the Leader of the Opposition.[See Constitution (Amendment) Act No. 2 of 2000]
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Note this specific part ...
If the Leader of the Opposition does not submit such a list of persons then the President shall appoint a person who holds, has held or is qualified to hold the office of Judge of the High Court or the Court of Appeal.
The list has to be acceptable by the President or he then has the option to choose his own judge.
Note this specific part...
"a list of six persons, who are not unacceptable to the President, "
Former Member
If the list is unacceptable, the Opposition Leader then needs to submit another list.
Only when the Opposition Leader has NOT submitted a list, then the president has the absolutely right to appoint a person.
Demerara_Guy posted:If the list is unacceptable, the Opposition Leader then needs to submit another list.
Only when the Opposition Leader has NOT submitted a list, then the president has the absolutely right to appoint a person.
If the Leader of the Opposition does not submit such a list of persons then the President shall appoint a person who holds, has held or is qualified to hold the office of Judge of the High Court or the Court of Appeal.
If the list does not meet all the requirements then the President can choose a judge on his own. The lists in this case were unacceptable to the President.
Former Member
Once again ...
Only when the Opposition Leader DOES NOT submit a list of candidates, then the president has the absolute right to appoint a person.
Demerara_Guy posted:Once again ...
Only when the Opposition Leader DOES NOT submit a list of candidates, then the president has the absolute right to appoint a person.
I know after you reach eighty years old, understanding gets a bit difficult so I'll break it down for you. English is not so tough after all.
This is the relevant clause from the Constitution. Read it as a whole and stop picking out one line at a time.
"The Chairman shall be a person who holds, has held or is qualified to hold the office of Judge of the High Court or the Court of Appeal or any other fit and proper person who is appointed from a list of six persons, who are not unacceptable to the President, submitted by the Leader of the Opposition after he has meaningfully consulted with the non-governmental political parties represented in the National Assembly. If the Leader of the Opposition does not submit such a list of persons then the President shall appoint a person who holds, has held or is qualified to hold the office of Judge of the High Court or the Court of Appeal."
The Chairman is appointed from a list of six persons
who are not unacceptable to the president and
who are submitted by the Leader of the Opposition and
after the relevant consultations.
If the list does not meet all the requirements, then the President has the option to choose his judge unilaterally. Granger found the lists unacceptable so he exercised his right, guaranteed by the Constitution, to unilaterally appoint the judge as the chairman.
Former Member
I take note how Mars and his other PNC friends are defending Granger's dictatorial actions. They can run but they cannot hide, their love for PNC is their right but the action of Granger is an unbearable stench.
Is Mars the new PNC slop carrier ?
yuji22 posted:I take note how Mars and his other PNC friends are defending Granger's dictatorial actions. They can run but they cannot hide, their love for PNC is their right but the action of Granger is an unbearable stench.
Is Mars the new PNC slop carrier ?
I have no affiliation with any political party in Guyana. I'm just trying to educate you dummies but most of you porters would rather go to your grave as ignars, kicking and screaming, swallowing the piss from the PPP cup daily.
Granger is simply following what is defined in the Constitution.
Former Member
You are no better that the worm Granger by failing to condemn his dictatorial actions.
Keep carrying the PNC slop, it looks and smells good on you.
yuji22 posted:You are no better that the worm Granger by failing to condemn his dictatorial actions.
Keep carrying the PNC slop, it looks and smells good on you.
I state what's correct and if you find that pill hard to swallow, then sip some PPP piss from the cup. It might make it easier going down. You porters are some of the worse smelling people around, especially the ones like you from the lower castes.
Former Member
My actions are honourable in condemning the Granger's dictatorial actions. Worms like you have failed to condemn those dictatorial actions. You can run but you cannot hide.
Keep fetching PNC slop, it looks and smells good on you.
Your rigging heroes are:
1. Burnham
2. Hoyte
3. Granger
You are in a company of riggers. It looks good and smells good on you. You will have a few ounces of credibility when you condemn the Dictator actions. Until then, you have none, zero, nada.
yuji22 posted:My actions are honourable in condemning the Granger's dictatorial actions. Worms like you have failed to condemn those dictatorial actions. You can run but you cannot hide.
Keep fetching PNC slop, it looks and smells good on you.
Your rigging heroes are:
1. Burnham
2. Hoyte
3. Granger
You are in a company of riggers. It looks good and smells good on you. You will have a few ounces of credibility when you condemn the Dictator actions. Until then, you have none, zero, nada.
If you feel that it is honorable for a porter to fetch the PPP piss pot, then more power to you. I have credibility because I analyze issues and come to the relevant conclusions based on the evidence before me. You blindly drink piss from the PPP and then spout your usual racist bilge. I can proudly say that I smell a lot better than you low caste porters.
Former Member
So when are you going to condemn Granger's dictatorial actions again ?
Just answer the question. Stop dancing like Michael Jackson.
yuji22 posted:So when are you going to condemn Granger's dictatorial actions again ?
I'm not a porter like you fetching the PPP piss pot and spouting nonsense. What the hell do you lower caste people eat every day to smell like that? Or is it the piss you drink that comes out in your pores?
Former Member
Come on now, answer the question.
Will you or will you not condemn Granger's dictatorial actions ?
It requires a staring answer. Stop dancing like Michael Jackson.
Come back to GNI with a few ounces of credibility when you can give a straight answer and stop Dancing like Michael Jackson.
I will be waiting for a straight answer. Speaks volumes about your credibility. You have every right to say no, at least GNI members will know where you stand.
yuji22 posted:Come on now, answer the question.
Will you or will you not condemn Granger's dictatorial actions ?
It requires a staring answer. Stop dancing like Michael Jackson.
Stupid questions do not deserve an answer. Granger acted according to the laws set out in the Constitution. He has no obligation to satisfy you or the rest of your porter buddies.
Former Member
Ha Ha.
yuji22 posted:Come on now, answer the question.
Will you or will you not condemn Granger's dictatorial actions ?
It requires a straight answer. Stop dancing like Michael Jackson.
Come back to GNI with a few ounces of credibility when you can give a straight answer and stop Dancing like Michael Jackson.
I will be waiting for a straight answer. Speaks volumes about your credibility. You have every right to say no, at least GNI members will know where you stand.
yuji22 posted:Ha Ha.
yuji22 posted:Come on now, answer the question.
Will you or will you not condemn Granger's dictatorial actions ?
It requires a straight answer. Stop dancing like Michael Jackson.
Come back to GNI with a few ounces of credibility when you can give a straight answer and stop Dancing like Michael Jackson.
I will be waiting for a straight answer. Speaks volumes about your credibility. You have every right to say no, at least GNI members will know where you stand.
Ha Ha. Mars is not an idiot like you to answer a loaded question.
Granger acted according to the laws set out in the Constitution. He has no obligation to satisfy you or the rest of your porter buddies.
If you have proof that Granger acted against the laws set out in the Constitution, put it forward and stop spouting nonsense.
Former Member
PNC new slop boy has arrived in town.
yuji22 posted:PNC new slop boy has arrived in town.
You must be happy now that Bisram is going to jail and you can spend more time at being Jagdeo's butt boy.
Demerara_Guy posted:caribny posted:Demerara_Guy posted:2. Granger is in absolute violation of the constitution since he unilaterally elected the Chairman of GECOM.
If the leader of the opposition fails to submit a list as provided, meaning a list which includes people who the PRESIDENT thinks are suitable, then the president is free to make his choice.
1. The test is that the PRESIDENT needs to find these people suitable.
2. The President is under no obligation to state why he does NOT think that these people are suitable.
3. If no suitable people are submitted in the list than he can make his own selection.
This was crafted by Burnham and the PPP needs to remember this.
Regarding your point 3. ... Incorrect and contrary to the constitution.
On this highlighted point above ... "If the leader of the opposition fails to submit..."
Your statement is incorrect.
The process is ...
1. Leader of the Opposition submit a list of candidates.
2. President review and accept one or rejects the entire list.
3. Leader of the Opposition resubmits list(s) and president can reject.
4. The ONLY time that the president can unilaterally appoint the GECOM chairman is when the Leader of the Opposition FAILS to submit a list.
DG re your point 3...Leader of the opposition resubmits list(s) and president can reject.
So the president rejects the lists...what is the next step?
Former Member
cain posted:Demerara_Guy posted:caribny posted:Demerara_Guy posted:2. Granger is in absolute violation of the constitution since he unilaterally elected the Chairman of GECOM.
If the leader of the opposition fails to submit a list as provided, meaning a list which includes people who the PRESIDENT thinks are suitable, then the president is free to make his choice.
1. The test is that the PRESIDENT needs to find these people suitable.
2. The President is under no obligation to state why he does NOT think that these people are suitable.
3. If no suitable people are submitted in the list than he can make his own selection.
This was crafted by Burnham and the PPP needs to remember this.
Regarding your point 3. ... Incorrect and contrary to the constitution.
On this highlighted point above ... "If the leader of the opposition fails to submit..."
Your statement is incorrect.
The process is ...
1. Leader of the Opposition submit a list of candidates.
2. President review and accept one or rejects the entire list.
3. Leader of the Opposition resubmits list(s) and president can reject.
4. The ONLY time that the president can unilaterally appoint the GECOM chairman is when the Leader of the Opposition FAILS to submit a list.
DG re your point 3...Leader of the opposition resubmits list(s) and president can reject.
So the president rejects the lists...what is the next step?
Cain ... the nest step ...
Opposition Leader then needs to submit another list.
ONLY when the Opposition Leader FAILS to submit a list, THEN the president can unilaterally appoint someone of his choice.
cain posted:Demerara_Guy posted:caribny posted:Demerara_Guy posted:2. Granger is in absolute violation of the constitution since he unilaterally elected the Chairman of GECOM.
If the leader of the opposition fails to submit a list as provided, meaning a list which includes people who the PRESIDENT thinks are suitable, then the president is free to make his choice.
1. The test is that the PRESIDENT needs to find these people suitable.
2. The President is under no obligation to state why he does NOT think that these people are suitable.
3. If no suitable people are submitted in the list than he can make his own selection.
This was crafted by Burnham and the PPP needs to remember this.
Regarding your point 3. ... Incorrect and contrary to the constitution.
On this highlighted point above ... "If the leader of the opposition fails to submit..."
Your statement is incorrect.
The process is ...
1. Leader of the Opposition submit a list of candidates.
2. President review and accept one or rejects the entire list.
3. Leader of the Opposition resubmits list(s) and president can reject.
4. The ONLY time that the president can unilaterally appoint the GECOM chairman is when the Leader of the Opposition FAILS to submit a list.
DG re your point 3...Leader of the opposition resubmits list(s) and president can reject.
So the president rejects the lists...what is the next step?
You have not answered the question I asked....read slowly now.
The President rejects the three lists....what is the next step?
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