God Honors Our Commitment to Him

Hey brother Keith, does Gentle Jesus have any role in these hurricanes and earthquakes that are affecting us the past few weeks? Is that some of the evidence of his unconditional love? Between his unconditional love and his power, what is stopping him from killing the storms? Why does he prefer to allow the storm to kill people?

Is either Gentle Jesu pisseth off with orange head and the rest of the world or he slackin off.

Freedom From Enslavement

Love how the good brother Keith is so absorbed in his own preaching shit that he couldn't even realize that some of us have just been through a very devastating few days with hurricanes and fires. These are the opportunities when we are able to separate the blind preachers from the people with humanity. Not even a word of well wished, hope or encouragement. Love it when fraudsters can be exposed.

Keep on preaching brother. 

Confidence in Prayer

Satan’s Strategy

This is how mixed up the world is we want God to be, "ALL LOVE" with no condemnation, no judgement. We don't want to hear about the CONSEQUENCES, we want to hear about pleasure, about God goodness but don't speak about any consequences of ungodly living because it makes us uncomfortable and we certainly don't want to hear about it. The deception is that people get along so well they don't think it's true.

This is how mixed up the Christian preacher is. He wants to talks about God's unconditional love but still is confused about whether God has unconditional love or whether God is not "ALL LOVE".

"CONSEQUENCES" are akin to buts. There is no place for buts where there is unconditional love.

The preacher is a used car salesman like Trump is.

I got unconditional luv for ladies but(t)s.

The Blessings of a Spirit-Filled Life

The Book of Books

How to Handle the Bible

The Witness of Suffering

Brother Keith go get a real job. The koolies works for their money and so should you.

Prashad posted:

Brother Keith go get a real job. The koolies works for their money and so should you.

The man began by stating that he is not offering a sermon but spent months doing just that. Looks like honesty is not big on bro. Keith list.

God’s Sovereignty and the Existence of Evil

There are kids buried under concrete rubble in Mexico. All due to an act of God. How does that match up with this "unconditionally loving God" nonsense?

God’s Response to Sinful Behavior

ksazma posted:

There are kids buried under concrete rubble in Mexico. All due to an act of God. How does that match up with this "unconditionally loving God" nonsense?

Due to your ignorance, I will response to your questions on this issue. We all notice that tragedies cause many people to question God’s goodness as we can see from your post above. It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed "acts of God" as you put it, while no credit is given to God for years, decades, or even centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the laws of nature, read Genesis 1:1 for reference. Most natural disasters are a result of these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of the earth's plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an underwater earthquake.

The Bible proclaims in Colossians 1:16-17 that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together. Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely! Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in Deuteronomy 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God sometimes causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book of Revelation describes many events which could definitely be described as natural disasters in Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16. Is every natural disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not.

In much the same way that God allows (allow! NOT influence) evil people to commit evil acts, God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, "The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God." The fall of humanity into sin had effects on everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in creation is subject to frustration and decay. Sin is the ultimate cause of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, disease, and suffering.

We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not understand is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Irma to destroy the homes of thousands across the Caribbean? For one thing, such events shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about eternity. Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an instant. What we do know is this, God is good! Many amazing miracles occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars in aid is sent to help the people who are suffering. Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel, pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does, bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28).

Now explain to us does the God you serve has unconditional love? Why/why not? What is the Muslim community doing concerning all these natural disasters that's going on around us? Next time you get that urge of making spectacle of yourself and displaying ignorance think twice.

Love how the good brother Keith finds it necessary to prelude what he writes with "due to your ignorance". Seems like a very Christian thing to do.

Now explain what those kids did to your God that he feels the drunken desire to hurt them. Guess that is what an unconditionally loving father would do.

So god's way of getting people into churches is to f uck with little children lives. Sounds like what an unconditionally loving father would do.

ksazma posted:

So god's way of getting people into churches is to f uck with little children lives. Sounds like what an unconditionally loving father would do.

Here is my take on all this. I am muslim. When my father passed away after 4 months in the hospital I had a lot of questions and a lot more anger. A very good family friend and distant relative sat down with me and told me that muslims believe that when someone suffers on Earth, they are basically paying for their sins here and not later in the afterlife. I don't know if the same applies here and if so what sins those children could have committed to have paid the ultimate price.

GTAngler posted:

ksazma posted:

So god's way of getting people into churches is to f uck with little children lives. Sounds like what an unconditionally loving father would do.

Here is my take on all this. I am muslim. When my father passed away after 4 months in the hospital I had a lot of questions and a lot more anger. A very good family friend and distant relative sat down with me and told me that muslims believe that when someone suffers on Earth, they are basically paying for their sins here and not later in the afterlife. I don't know if the same applies here and if so what sins those children could have committed to have paid the ultimate price.

GT, as a Muslim you know that everyone is born sinless so it is difficult to think that these kids are paying for their sins.

That said, it is a bigger problem for folks like Bro Keith who seeks to trick people into buying the nonsense of an unconditionally loving father when all the evidence is of a vengeful god. Folks like him are like used cars salesmen.

Keith posted:

 

We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not understand is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Irma to destroy the homes of thousands across the Caribbean? For one thing, such events shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about eternity. Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an instant. What we do know is this, God is good! Many amazing miracles occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars in aid is sent to help the people who are suffering. Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel, pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! 

So the Christian preachers are having massive orgasms over these tragedies. They get the opportunity to entrap vulnerable people recovering from the tragedies. Just like predators who entrap vulnerable women after a breakup.

GTAngler posted:

Here is my take on all this. I am muslim. When my father passed away after 4 months in the hospital I had a lot of questions and a lot more anger. A very good family friend and distant relative sat down with me and told me that muslims believe that when someone suffers on Earth, they are basically paying for their sins here and not later in the afterlife. I don't know if the same applies here and if so what sins those children could have committed to have paid the ultimate price.

GTAngler, First my condolences to you and your family on the lost your dad. I pray that God will continue to comfort your family and draw everyone much more closer in love and unity. 

A bit about myself, I'm a Christian, I'm NOT a religious leader nor am I a bible scholar. I attend church listening to the sermon(s) being preach, I study God's word and apply it (I try to) in my life. Therefore I am just a church goer per say. I study God word for my own benefit so that likes of our friend ksazma or Christian preacher themselves would not bring forth any foreign doctrine to me; I also do this for correctness. I do have a career 9-5 job M-F.

I have took the liberty of highlighting a few lines from your statement above because I want to address those. Your family friend is right, "when someone suffers on Earth, they are basically paying for their sins" or sin from pass generations. There is a saying that goes, "We reap what we sow, more than we sow, and later than we sow". The effects of sin are naturally passed down from one generation to the next. When a father has a sinful lifestyle, his children are likely to practice the same sinful lifestyle. The children will choose to repeat the sins of their fathers and that develops into a generational curse.

The cure for a generational curse has always been repentance. When Israel turned from idols to serve the living God, the "curse" was broken and God saved them according to Judges 3:9, 15; 1 Samuel 12:10-11. Yes, God promised to visit Israel’s sin upon the third and fourth generations, but in the very next verse He promised that He would show "love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments", Exodus 20:6. In other words, God’s grace lasts a thousand times longer than His wrath.

After you have departed this earth will come your judgement to determine where you would spend your afterlife, in heaven or hell. We all have to face the judgement and give an account of the life we live here on this earth.

Being born sinners results in the fact that we all sin. Notice the progression in Romans 5:12, sin entered the world through Adam, death follows sin, death comes to all people, all people sin because they inherit sin from Adam. Because "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God", Romans 3:23, we need a perfect, sinless sacrifice to wash away our sin, something we are powerless to do on our own.

Now if we both were born sinless then there is no need for us to die because as stated in the above paragraph, because of SIN comes DEATH. So I've to ask, why is there death if there is no sin? Please don't answer it's a rhetorical question.

"For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous." God is just in applying Adam’s sin to the entire human race, and He is just in applying Jesus Christ’s death to all who will receive Him by faith.

So in a nutshell we the children could be suffering due to the life our grandparents and their parents and even the parents before lived. How do we break this cycle? By repentance and training up a child to admonition God so that the generations to come will seek God and walk according to His will.

So because a parent or grand parent commits a sin, God, in all his wisdom places the blame at the child's feet. Not my type of God, my God wouldn't be that much a moron. 

Keith posted:

 

I study God word for my own benefit so that likes of our friend ksazma or Christian preacher themselves would not bring forth any foreign doctrine to me; I also do this for correctness. I do have a career 9-5 job M-F..

Still being dishonest. If you study God's word for your own benefit, why are you posting them here? Is posting them here how they benefit you? Why do you feel the need to bring foreign doctrines to other s when you have already decided that no one would bring any foreign doctrine to you? Why seek to impose your endless sermons on others?

Oh and by the way, death is not the result of sin. That is a Biblical mistake. You thump your chest and claim that Jesus died. Yet you insist that he was sinless. Go figure your confusion. Anything that experiences birth will experience death. That is the natural process of things. Even plants and animals die. What sins do they commit?

Perhaps you need to expand your reading since your view of the world is extremely limited.

cain posted:

So because a parent or grand parent commits a sin, God, in all his wisdom places the blame at the child's feet. Not my type of God, my God wouldn't be that much a moron. 

Exactly. And the good brother likes to refer to that God as the unconditionally loving father.

We read in the Bible that God promises to punish a person for their sins up to their fourth generation. That is almost a whole 100 years that that unconditionally loving father holds a grudge for a single infraction.

Two of Noah's sons laughed at Noah because he was drunk and naked. So who did God put the sin on? The grandson of the son who did not laugh and who actually covered his naked father. That is one strange unconditionally loving (but weird) father.

The Source of Guilt

cain posted:

So because a parent or grand parent commits a sin, God, in all his wisdom places the blame at the child's feet. Not my type of God, my God wouldn't be that much a moron. 

You clearly misunderstood the point.

"When a father(or PARENTS for that matter) has a sinful lifestyle, his children are likely to practice the same sinful lifestyle. The children will choose to repeat the sins of their fathers and that develops into a generational curse."

An example of what I mention above would be Jonathan Edwards, the Puritan Preacher from the 1700s. Jonathan and his wife Sarah left a great godly legacy for his 11 children.

At the turn of the 20th century, American educator and pastor A.E. Winship decided to trace out the descendants of Jonathan Edwards almost 150 years after his death.  His findings are astounding, especially when compared to a man known as Max Jukes. Jukes’ legacy came to the forefront when the family trees of 42 different men in the New York prison system traced back to him.

Jonathan Edwards’ godly legacy includes: 1 U.S. Vice-President, 3 U.S. Senators, 3 governors, 3 mayors, 13 college presidents, 30 judges, 65 professors, 80 public office holders, 100 lawyers and 100 missionaries.

Max Jukes’ descendants included: 7 murderers, 60 thieves, 50 women of debauchery, 130 other convicts. 310 paupers (with over 2,300 years lived in poorhouses) 400 who were physically wrecked by indulgent living.

It was estimated that Max Juke’s descendants cost the state more than $1,250,000.

Sources:
https://thinkgospel.wordpress....st-in-family-legacy/
http://archive.org/stream/juke...ds15623gut/15623.txt
http://www.rfrick.info/jukes.htm

Based on bro Keith's logic, if you are a baker, all your descendants will be bakers. How does that work out for y'all? Religion is how you control stupid people.

ksazma posted:

Based on bro Keith's logic, if you are a baker, all your descendants will be bakers. How does that work out for y'all? Religion is how you control stupid people.

We already know how shallow you are when it comes to comprehending what's being discuss. You love evading questions and comes up with precipitous ignorance. Quit making a spectacle of yourself.

ksazma posted:

Based on bro Keith's logic, if you are a baker, all your descendants will be bakers. How does that work out for y'all? Religion is how you control stupid people.

To entertain your foolishness here lets see what a baker descendants might look like for generation to come.

Baker start selling from within his/her home, then spawn other family Bakers who now own their own shops, then their descendants open their own brand name shop(s) (entrepreneurship), now there is a family franchise, the baker descendants sits on the board as board member of the baker company and also has descendent who's a CEO of the company. Impressive. ;)

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Based on bro Keith's logic, if you are a baker, all your descendants will be bakers. How does that work out for y'all? Religion is how you control stupid people.

To entertain your foolishness here lets see what a baker descendants might look like for generation to come.

Baker start selling from within his/her home, then spawn other family Bakers who now own their own shops, then their descendants open their own brand name shop(s) (entrepreneurship), now there is a family franchise, the baker descendants sits on the board as board member of the baker company and also has descendent who's a CEO of the company. Impressive. ;)

Only in your narrow mind dude. There are farmers whose children are doctors. Secondly, a baker who start selling baked products from his/her home will not spawn others to also sell baked products. That will only result in too much baked products in that neighborhood and no other types of goods or services. Terrible formula that only a Christian preacher can concoct.

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Based on bro Keith's logic, if you are a baker, all your descendants will be bakers. How does that work out for y'all? Religion is how you control stupid people.

We already know how shallow you are when it comes to comprehending what's being discuss. You love evading questions and comes up with precipitous ignorance. Quit making a spectacle of yourself.

You sound like Trump. Who is this "we" and how do this "we already know"? My only objective is to consolidate that from your very first utterance, you chose to deceive. You don't discuss anything here dude. All you do is post sermons. On a topic where you initially declared that you will not post sermons.

Keith posted:

cain posted:

So because a parent or grand parent commits a sin, God, in all his wisdom places the blame at the child's feet. Not my type of God, my God wouldn't be that much a moron. 

You clearly misunderstood the point.

"When a father(or PARENTS for that matter) has a sinful lifestyle, his children are likely to practice the same sinful lifestyle. The children will choose to repeat the sins of their fathers and that develops into a generational curse."

An example of what I mention above would be Jonathan Edwards, the Puritan Preacher from the 1700s. Jonathan and his wife Sarah left a great godly legacy for his 11 children.

At the turn of the 20th century, American educator and pastor A.E. Winship decided to trace out the descendants of Jonathan Edwards almost 150 years after his death.  His findings are astounding, especially when compared to a man known as Max Jukes. Jukes’ legacy came to the forefront when the family trees of 42 different men in the New York prison system traced back to him.

Jonathan Edwards’ godly legacy includes: 1 U.S. Vice-President, 3 U.S. Senators, 3 governors, 3 mayors, 13 college presidents, 30 judges, 65 professors, 80 public office holders, 100 lawyers and 100 missionaries.

Max Jukes’ descendants included: 7 murderers, 60 thieves, 50 women of debauchery, 130 other convicts. 310 paupers (with over 2,300 years lived in poorhouses) 400 who were physically wrecked by indulgent living.

It was estimated that Max Juke’s descendants cost the state more than $1,250,000.

Sources:
https://thinkgospel.wordpress....st-in-family-legacy/
http://archive.org/stream/juke...ds15623gut/15623.txt
http://www.rfrick.info/jukes.htm

We went through something like this before. Some of the info on Mac Juke is incorrect and I wouldn't go so far to say that being a VP, Governor,Mayor, Judge, Lawyer etc means they are godly..good Lord man. Better yet, my dad was quite an alcoholic, worked in the interior involved in sawmill/logging business. I have never seen much of the interior, dont work in logging, do not touch alcohol. Should I punish for whatever actions my father may have done because some nitwit decided that?

The greatest fallacy preached by Christian preachers is that we are born with sin. A new baby comes into this world and doesn't even know how to breathe. He or she has to be slapped so they can cry so they can start breathing. They can't talk, walk, eat, etc. They can't do anything. How then can they already have sin? I am not religious but I like the other approach that teaches that every new born person comes into this world free of any burden that came before it. They create their own record, either good or bad. It is also a fallacy that people are more prone to doing bad than good. The opposite is actually true. When someone intends to do something virtuous, they do so quickly and easily. On the other hand, when someone intends to do something bad or sinful, they are hesitant and uneasy. And even after they commit that act, they are restless.

See Bro Keith. This is how thought and discussions are done. This is what you should have done instead of posting sermons ad nauseam. Then your actions would have mated your sworn statement.

Perhaps, it is more like, an infant will eventually sin as adult. Being in a sinful world, it rubs off or on-which ever. Maybe, born into sin means entering into a world inundated with sinful acts by grown men and women.