Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Maybe you didn't say that Isaac was Abraham's only son. What I initially stated was that when your Bible stated that Isaac was Abraham's only son, either the writer was confused or God was.  All books can't be fair play when all books weren't introduced. You began with the Bible and so far only you is desparately seeking to add other books. Deal with the one you started with. I have no interest in going beyond that.

Here answer your own questions, was Ishmael present when God spoke to Abraham saying, "...take thy only son..". YES/NO!?

Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. 

Any book that can back up my factual statement I will used, grow up dude.

I have responded to your question many times but for some strange reason you think it is a smart question. In fact it is a stupid question. Once again. A person does not cease being someone's child if they are not in the same room. If you believe they do and if your God share that opinion, then that God is highly confused.

By the way, does the Bible state that Ishmael ceases to be Abraham's child just because they are not in the same place? So how can Isaac be Abraham's ONLY son at the time that stupid command was given to Abraham?

The Value of God’s Word

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Maybe you didn't say that Isaac was Abraham's only son. What I initially stated was that when your Bible stated that Isaac was Abraham's only son, either the writer was confused or God was.  All books can't be fair play when all books weren't introduced. You began with the Bible and so far only you is desparately seeking to add other books. Deal with the one you started with. I have no interest in going beyond that.

Here answer your own questions, was Ishmael present when God spoke to Abraham saying, "...take thy only son..". YES/NO!?

Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. 

Any book that can back up my factual statement I will used, grow up dude.

I have responded to your question many times but for some strange reason you think it is a smart question. In fact it is a stupid question. Once again. A person does not cease being someone's child if they are not in the same room. If you believe they do and if your God share that opinion, then that God is highly confused.

What you have done is to eluded question, simple Yes/No would suffice.

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Maybe you didn't say that Isaac was Abraham's only son. What I initially stated was that when your Bible stated that Isaac was Abraham's only son, either the writer was confused or God was.  All books can't be fair play when all books weren't introduced. You began with the Bible and so far only you is desparately seeking to add other books. Deal with the one you started with. I have no interest in going beyond that.

Here answer your own questions, was Ishmael present when God spoke to Abraham saying, "...take thy only son..". YES/NO!?

Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. 

Any book that can back up my factual statement I will used, grow up dude.

I have responded to your question many times but for some strange reason you think it is a smart question. In fact it is a stupid question. Once again. A person does not cease being someone's child if they are not in the same room. If you believe they do and if your God share that opinion, then that God is highly confused.

What you have done is to eluded question, simple Yes/No would suffice.

Do you know the meaning of elude? Your question is stupid and your premise is flawed. Isaac was NEVER Abraham's ONLY son. For the God of the Bible to utter those words shows how confused that God is or how confused the writers were. 

Back to your most recent post about all scriptures being inspired by God. Why then do the non-Catholic Christians reject seven books in the Catholic Bible?

ksazma posted:

By the way, does the Bible state that Ishmael ceases to be Abraham's child just because they are not in the same place? So how can Isaac be Abraham's ONLY son at the time that stupid command was given to Abraham?

ksazma neither the Bible nor I ever stated what you are trying to imply above. What you are having problem with is the ability to comprehend. Both book, the bible & Quran mention that Hagar and Ishmael was left in desert/wilderness, after that(I'm not implying immediately) God then spoke to Abraham.

Follow me here, let me simplify this you. You have two sons, one went off to college in South Pole and the other stayed home with you. A man approach you in your house and said, "you should take your son fishing", who would he be referring too? Would it be the one miles away or the one in eye sight / hand reach?

What's bothering the folks like yourself is the phrase "Only Son", which can simply imply the only one left in your camp/tent take him.

But then again, lets look at the scripture:

Genesis 22:2 ² And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

Did you notice God was distinct about whom he was referring too? That verse/scripture did not left us hanging in suspense and confusion.  

ksazma posted:

Back to your most recent post about all scriptures being inspired by God. Why then do the non-Catholic Christians reject seven books in the Catholic Bible?

You are a predictable person, as I quoted in a few post back:

"Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. " 

Answer my question Yes/No then we can entertain a new subject.

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Maybe you didn't say that Isaac was Abraham's only son. What I initially stated was that when your Bible stated that Isaac was Abraham's only son, either the writer was confused or God was.  All books can't be fair play when all books weren't introduced. You began with the Bible and so far only you is desparately seeking to add other books. Deal with the one you started with. I have no interest in going beyond that.

Here answer your own questions, was Ishmael present when God spoke to Abraham saying, "...take thy only son..". YES/NO!?

Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. 

Any book that can back up my factual statement I will used, grow up dude.

I have responded to your question many times but for some strange reason you think it is a smart question. In fact it is a stupid question. Once again. A person does not cease being someone's child if they are not in the same room. If you believe they do and if your God share that opinion, then that God is highly confused.

What you have done is to eluded question, simple Yes/No would suffice.

Do you know the meaning of elude? Your question is stupid and your premise is flawed. Isaac was NEVER Abraham's ONLY son. For the God of the Bible to utter those words shows how confused that God is or how confused the writers were. 

Read the above post it's pointed out  clearly for you. You seem kinda grumpy this morning. Is everything Ok, you had your breakfast?

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Back to your most recent post about all scriptures being inspired by God. Why then do the non-Catholic Christians reject seven books in the Catholic Bible?

You are a predictable person, as I quoted in a few post back:

"Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. " 

Answer my question Yes/No then we can entertain a new subject.

So you think it's despicable of someone to run from answering a question? That's real funny shit!

Can you, Keith, give straight answers to my questions?

Actually the answers don't even have to be straight. Just have the same courage you're demanding of others.

antabanta posted:

Actually the answers don't even have to be straight. Just have the same courage you're demanding of others.

No need to waste my time on you...run along. Your friend ksazma seem to display more intellect than you.

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Back to your most recent post about all scriptures being inspired by God. Why then do the non-Catholic Christians reject seven books in the Catholic Bible?

You are a predictable person, as I quoted in a few post back:

"Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. " 

Answer my question Yes/No then we can entertain a new subject.

So you think it's despicable of someone to run from answering a question? That's real funny shit!

Can you, Keith, give straight answers to my questions?

No need, it will not be answering anything coming from you,  it's not worth my time, go talk with your friends Steven Hawkins and others. I do have few questions that your group of friends will not be able to answer. Therefore stay in your corner until your number is called.

Keith posted:

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Back to your most recent post about all scriptures being inspired by God. Why then do the non-Catholic Christians reject seven books in the Catholic Bible?

You are a predictable person, as I quoted in a few post back:

"Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. " 

Answer my question Yes/No then we can entertain a new subject.

So you think it's despicable of someone to run from answering a question? That's real funny shit!

Can you, Keith, give straight answers to my questions?

No need, it will not be answering anything coming from you,  it's not worth my time, go talk with your friends Steven Hawkins and others. I do have few questions that your group of friends will not be able to answer. Therefore stay in your corner until your number is called.

Fear!! Stark fear!

Shouldn't your beliefs provide you with courage? My questions have nothing to do with science - they are very simple, straight forward, and uncomplicated. They merely seek clarification of your own statements.

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Back to your most recent post about all scriptures being inspired by God. Why then do the non-Catholic Christians reject seven books in the Catholic Bible?

You are a predictable person, as I quoted in a few post back:

"Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. " 

Answer my question Yes/No then we can entertain a new subject.

So you think it's despicable of someone to run from answering a question? That's real funny shit!

Can you, Keith, give straight answers to my questions?

No need, it will not be answering anything coming from you,  it's not worth my time, go talk with your friends Steven Hawkins and others. I do have few questions that your group of friends will not be able to answer. Therefore stay in your corner until your number is called.

Fear!! Stark fear!

Shouldn't your beliefs provide you with courage? My questions have nothing to do with science - they are very simple, straight forward, and uncomplicated. They merely seek clarification of your own statements.

I fear no man. I entertained you before and it was mundane I have no interest in spinning that record again.

Just for your information Keith, Anta is waaaaayyyyyy smarter than I am.

Let's reset. In that Biblical passage, when God addressed Abraham about Isaac, did He say "your only son, Isaac"?

ksazma posted:

Let's reset. In that Biblical passage, when God addressed Abraham about Isaac, did He say "your only son, Isaac"?

I posted the scripture above for you to read and see, look through the previous post and you will see what it say.

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Let's reset. In that Biblical passage, when God addressed Abraham about Isaac, did He say "your only son, Isaac"?

I posted the scripture above for you to read and see, look through the previous post and you will see what it say.

I have read the scriptures many times and my conclusion is that God was confused to refer to Isaac as Abraham's ONLY son. It is right there in black and white.

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Let's reset. In that Biblical passage, when God addressed Abraham about Isaac, did He say "your only son, Isaac"?

I posted the scripture above for you to read and see, look through the previous post and you will see what it say.

I have read the scriptures many times and my conclusion is that God was confused to refer to Isaac as Abraham's ONLY son. It is right there in black and white.

It's you who's confuse, have you read what I posted in its entirety? As I stated before, that phrase don't literally mean Abraham bore one child only. It's speaking about the one child was currently in Abraham presence at that particular time. Lets say Ishmael was dead no longer with Abraham, could we use the same statement, "Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac" and would it have been a issue?

Keith posted:

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Back to your most recent post about all scriptures being inspired by God. Why then do the non-Catholic Christians reject seven books in the Catholic Bible?

You are a predictable person, as I quoted in a few post back:

"Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. " 

Answer my question Yes/No then we can entertain a new subject.

So you think it's despicable of someone to run from answering a question? That's real funny shit!

Can you, Keith, give straight answers to my questions?

No need, it will not be answering anything coming from you,  it's not worth my time, go talk with your friends Steven Hawkins and others. I do have few questions that your group of friends will not be able to answer. Therefore stay in your corner until your number is called.

Fear!! Stark fear!

Shouldn't your beliefs provide you with courage? My questions have nothing to do with science - they are very simple, straight forward, and uncomplicated. They merely seek clarification of your own statements.

I fear no man. I entertained you before and it was mundane I have no interest in spinning that record again.

Right. Our exchange had to be mundane because I cannot recall it but I'm guessing you did not fare too well ... hence the fear.

Are you ignoring your sworn duty to enlighten me?

Is your son still missing or did he also succumb to the fear?

ksazma posted:

Just for your information Keith, Anta is waaaaayyyyyy smarter than I am.

Thank you for the accolade but I sincerely doubt it.

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Back to your most recent post about all scriptures being inspired by God. Why then do the non-Catholic Christians reject seven books in the Catholic Bible?

You are a predictable person, as I quoted in a few post back:

"Why you running from answering the question? But what can we expect from you never a straight answer or start another subject. " 

Answer my question Yes/No then we can entertain a new subject.

So you think it's despicable of someone to run from answering a question? That's real funny shit!

Can you, Keith, give straight answers to my questions?

No need, it will not be answering anything coming from you,  it's not worth my time, go talk with your friends Steven Hawkins and others. I do have few questions that your group of friends will not be able to answer. Therefore stay in your corner until your number is called.

Fear!! Stark fear!

Shouldn't your beliefs provide you with courage? My questions have nothing to do with science - they are very simple, straight forward, and uncomplicated. They merely seek clarification of your own statements.

I fear no man. I entertained you before and it was mundane I have no interest in spinning that record again.

Right. Our exchange had to be mundane because I cannot recall it but I'm guessing you did not fare too well ... hence the fear.

Are you ignoring your sworn duty to enlighten me?

Is your son still missing or did he also succumb to the fear?

I didn't expect you to recall it since what's being display by you is nugatory. So tell me, in a universe without God or immortality, how is mankind ultimately different from a swarm of mosquitoes or a barnyard of pigs?

Keith posted:

I didn't expect you to recall it since what's being display by you is nugatory. So tell me, in a universe without God or immortality, how is mankind ultimately different from a swarm of mosquitoes or a barnyard of pigs?

So our previous exchange was not too mundane to be forgotten by you then?

What makes you think that God is responsible for the intelligence of mankind?

Also, my previous questions:

Did God incited Abraham to abandon his older son, Ishmael?
Why would a benevolent god instigate a rift in an innocent man's family?

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Let's reset. In that Biblical passage, when God addressed Abraham about Isaac, did He say "your only son, Isaac"?

I posted the scripture above for you to read and see, look through the previous post and you will see what it say.

I have read the scriptures many times and my conclusion is that God was confused to refer to Isaac as Abraham's ONLY son. It is right there in black and white.

It's you who's confuse, have you read what I posted in its entirety? As I stated before, that phrase don't literally mean Abraham bore one child only. It's speaking about the one child was currently in Abraham presence at that particular time. Lets say Ishmael was dead no longer with Abraham, could we use the same statement, "Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac" and would it have been a issue?

Nothing you posted can remove the fact that the passage erroneously suggested that Isaac was at that particular time Abraham's ONLY son. You can chase your tail how many different ways you feel necessary but none of those will alter the erroneous statement in the Bible. Enough about beating this dead horse. You lost that argument resoundingly. Now for the other matter you posted yesterday.

In your sermon yesterday, you mentioned that "All scriptures are inspired by God". As you may know, the Catholic Version Bible has 73 books while the non-Catholic versions have only 66 books. This is because the non-Catholic Christians reject seven of the books included in the Roman Catholic Bible. If all scriptures are inspired by God, why do non-Catholic Christians reject seven of God's inspired books?

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Let's reset. In that Biblical passage, when God addressed Abraham about Isaac, did He say "your only son, Isaac"?

I posted the scripture above for you to read and see, look through the previous post and you will see what it say.

I have read the scriptures many times and my conclusion is that God was confused to refer to Isaac as Abraham's ONLY son. It is right there in black and white.

It's you who's confuse, have you read what I posted in its entirety? As I stated before, that phrase don't literally mean Abraham bore one child only. It's speaking about the one child was currently in Abraham presence at that particular time. Lets say Ishmael was dead no longer with Abraham, could we use the same statement, "Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac" and would it have been a issue?

Nothing you posted can remove the fact that the passage erroneously suggested that Isaac was at that particular time Abraham's ONLY son. You can chase your tail how many different ways you feel necessary but none of those will alter the erroneous statement in the Bible. Enough about beating this dead horse. You lost that argument resoundingly. Now for the other matter you posted yesterday.

No sense reasoning with one who lacks understanding. You are the one that lost this argument with failures to answer simple questions therefore as you suggest no need to batter you brains any longer. It's your nature to deflect and dodge. 

ksazma posted:

In your sermon yesterday, you mentioned that "All scriptures are inspired by God". As you may know, the Catholic Version Bible has 73 books while the non-Catholic versions have only 66 books. This is because the non-Catholic Christians reject seven of the books included in the Roman Catholic Bible. If all scriptures are inspired by God, why do non-Catholic Christians reject seven of God's inspired books?

Look dude, I cannot answer for Catholic, Mormon, Jews, Baptist, Seven Days Adventist etc. You find those folks and let them address your questions. 

I grew up with the infallible words of God containing 66 books, capable of standing up on its own against any other books.

Could you answer for what your radical   believers do?  

ksazma you failed to address my questions and our discussion end here, I forewarned you of this. 

Go have a conversation with your buddy anta you both understand each other better with your level of reasoning. 

Ksaz and Brother Keith, I am extending an invitation to both of you to watch "FINDING JESUS" on CNN this coming Sunday. Don't forget now, there might be opposing views, so keep an open mind Brother Keith.

Just for the record, anyone who destroys lives and property like those radicals (as you referred to as MY radical believers) do isn't part of the human race.

Since your infallible word of God has 66 books, is the Catholic Bible compromised. How do you know that you are reading the whole book? Is this because you grew up being taught that?

skeldon_man posted:

Ksaz and Brother Keith, I am extending an invitation to both of you to watch "FINDING JESUS" on CNN this coming Sunday. Don't forget now, there might be opposing views, so keep an open mind Brother Keith.

I will definitely watch it.

antabanta posted:

ksazma posted:

Just for your information Keith, Anta is waaaaayyyyyy smarter than I am.

Thank you for the accolade but I sincerely doubt it.

Nonetheless Anta, I still stand by my assessment.

Facing Our Fears

ksazma posted:

Just for the record, anyone who destroys lives and property like those radicals (as you referred to as MY radical believers) do isn't part of the human race.

Since your infallible word of God has 66 books, is the Catholic Bible compromised. How do you know that you are reading the whole book? Is this because you grew up being taught that?

Where was Ishmael when God spoke to Abraham, 'take thy son'?

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Just for the record, anyone who destroys lives and property like those radicals (as you referred to as MY radical believers) do isn't part of the human race.

Since your infallible word of God has 66 books, is the Catholic Bible compromised. How do you know that you are reading the whole book? Is this because you grew up being taught that?

Where was Ishmael when God spoke to Abraham, 'take thy son'?

First of all, God never told Abraham to slit his son's throat. However, the incident you refer to involved Abraham and Ishmael. Isaac was not born yet. Your Bible is wrong with its account as it is with many more.

skeldon_man posted:

Ksaz and Brother Keith, I am extending an invitation to both of you to watch "FINDING JESUS" on CNN this coming Sunday. Don't forget now, there might be opposing views, so keep an open mind Brother Keith.

I was not aware He was lost.

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

I didn't expect you to recall it since what's being display by you is nugatory. So tell me, in a universe without God or immortality, how is mankind ultimately different from a swarm of mosquitoes or a barnyard of pigs?

So our previous exchange was not too mundane to be forgotten by you then?

What makes you think that God is responsible for the intelligence of mankind?

Also, my previous questions:

Did God incited Abraham to abandon his older son, Ishmael?
Why would a benevolent god instigate a rift in an innocent man's family?

The Middle-East was known for its false gods. Reading the Bible in a historical context, that can be easily ascertain.

Abraham was supposed to wait for the miraculous birth of his son, promised to him by God. Impatient, he did not wait. So he got a carnal son. 

When Sarai passed child bearing age, she concieved Isaac. The same can be said of the mother of John the Baptist.

The Jews are the chosen people to carry the message of the Almighty God. He made them distinct from all other nations. In them, The Christ came to the masses of the world. That is God's plan since he created the world. And he nutured a race of people to do his bidding. God is a warrior, too.

Promethius(sp), the Titan, claimed he had compassion for mankind, so he took fire from the alter of Zeus and gave it to mankind. Fire was the medium by which mankind forged their civilizations. The Titan (Satan), views of God's creation, animals had fur and hair to shelter them and birds has feathers. But man, he was naked.

I believe, Homer views are true, However, he fictionalized the facts and characters. He was a story teller.

Man's intelligence is from God.

Atrificial Intelligence of the future is somewhat like the demons that dominanted the ancient world. The enslavement of mankind.

skeldon_man posted:

Ksaz and Brother Keith, I am extending an invitation to both of you to watch "FINDING JESUS" on CNN this coming Sunday. Don't forget now, there might be opposing views, so keep an open mind Brother Keith.

CNN is possessed by satanic forces. That is why The Great Trump will crush them. Sometimes, the wicked does God's bidding, unkowingly. Bcz the righteous is too good to concieve unrighteous thoughts. 

seignet posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Ksaz and Brother Keith, I am extending an invitation to both of you to watch "FINDING JESUS" on CNN this coming Sunday. Don't forget now, there might be opposing views, so keep an open mind Brother Keith.

CNN is possessed by satanic forces. That is why The Great Trump will crush them. Sometimes, the wicked does God's bidding, unkowingly. Bcz the righteous is too good to concieve unrighteous thoughts. 

CNN owner is a part of the Stephen Hawkins crew. Like I said before I was not aware Jesus was lost. Next we will hear John the Baptist was lost too.

seignet posted:

antabanta posted:

Keith posted:

I didn't expect you to recall it since what's being display by you is nugatory. So tell me, in a universe without God or immortality, how is mankind ultimately different from a swarm of mosquitoes or a barnyard of pigs?

So our previous exchange was not too mundane to be forgotten by you then?

What makes you think that God is responsible for the intelligence of mankind?

Also, my previous questions:

Did God incited Abraham to abandon his older son, Ishmael?
Why would a benevolent god instigate a rift in an innocent man's family?

The Middle-East was known for its false gods. Reading the Bible in a historical context, that can be easily ascertain.

Abraham was supposed to wait for the miraculous birth of his son, promised to him by God. Impatient, he did not wait. So he got a carnal son. 

When Sarai passed child bearing age, she concieved Isaac. The same can be said of the mother of John the Baptist.

The Jews are the chosen people to carry the message of the Almighty God. He made them distinct from all other nations. In them, The Christ came to the masses of the world. That is God's plan since he created the world. And he nutured a race of people to do his bidding. God is a warrior, too.

Promethius(sp), the Titan, claimed he had compassion for mankind, so he took fire from the alter of Zeus and gave it to mankind. Fire was the medium by which mankind forged their civilizations. The Titan (Satan), views of God's creation, animals had fur and hair to shelter them and birds has feathers. But man, he was naked.

I believe, Homer views are true, However, he fictionalized the facts and characters. He was a story teller.

Man's intelligence is from God.

Atrificial Intelligence of the future is somewhat like the demons that dominanted the ancient world. The enslavement of mankind.

 

Thanks for sharing brother.