There are also two misconceptions that you should be mindful of. Firstly the Bible is not fact. It is a book that it's believers believe in. Secondly, don't kid yourself that Skelly and I are troubled in some way. My response was primarily to a particular statement you made (go back and see which one). Everything I did since was because you demonstrated that while you wish to peddle your belief, you haven't taken the time to acknowledge that others may reasonably have a different point of view. All I intend to do is make you chase your tail and so far you are playing by my rules because you have no choice since you chose the tunnel vision approach.

So again I ask, is the Zarobabel mentioned in the two passages the same person or two different people? Your yes or no. Not what others think. At some point in our lives we have to think for ourselves. Don't you agree?

ksazma posted:

As my good friend Nehru would say, lots of kakamania here. If one cannot say if the two references are the same person, why should anyone accept that God came down to earth in a human form especially since that human form seemed clueless of the most basic things like if it was fig season or not.

Hey all it imply is for you to read and understand what you have read. What's conclusion did you drawn from reading it. Are we that lazy to read these days?

I assume you are Hindu, like your good friend Nehru. Let me ask you this, have you ever giving thought to this scripture before, you probably hear it before, pay attentions to the words:

Genesis 1:26-28 ²⁶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

²⁷ So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

²⁸ And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Question: Who was he talking too?

That was in the old testament book of Genesis incase you miss it. Now lets look at John 1 in the new testament.

John 1:1-5 ::  1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

² The same was in the beginning with God.

³ All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

⁴ In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

⁵ And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Question: Who was the word? Lets look at a few more verses in John 1.

John 1:6-14 :: ⁶ There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

⁷ The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

⁸ He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

⁹ That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

¹⁰ He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

¹¹ He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

¹² But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

¹³ Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

¹⁴ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

ksazma posted:

There are also two misconceptions that you should be mindful of. Firstly the Bible is not fact. It is a book that it's believers believe in. Secondly, don't kid yourself that Skelly and I are troubled in some way. My response was primarily to a particular statement you made (go back and see which one). Everything I did since was because you demonstrated that while you wish to peddle your belief, you haven't taken the time to acknowledge that others may reasonably have a different point of view. All I intend to do is make you chase your tail and so far you are playing by my rules because you have no choice since you chose the tunnel vision approach.

The bible is the infallibility word of God. You are troubled, I didn't went looking for you and questioning you, you came here peddling your false statements with malicious intent but you see the infallibility word will always stand to correct you and the likes of you.

Now is time for me to ask you and your buddy a few questions starting with the ones in my previous post. Those are warm up Qs.

ksazma posted:

So again I ask, is the Zarobabel mentioned in the two passages the same person or two different people? Your yes or no. Not what others think. At some point in our lives we have to think for ourselves. Don't you agree?

And again I asked you what conclusion you have drawn base on what you have read?

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

There are also two misconceptions that you should be mindful of. Firstly the Bible is not fact. It is a book that it's believers believe in. Secondly, don't kid yourself that Skelly and I are troubled in some way. My response was primarily to a particular statement you made (go back and see which one). Everything I did since was because you demonstrated that while you wish to peddle your belief, you haven't taken the time to acknowledge that others may reasonably have a different point of view. All I intend to do is make you chase your tail and so far you are playing by my rules because you have no choice since you chose the tunnel vision approach.

The bible is the infallibility word of God. You are troubled, I didn't went looking for you and questioning you, you came here peddling your false statements with malicious intent but you see the infallibility word will always stand to correct you and the likes of you.

Now is time for me to ask you and your buddy a few questions starting with the ones in my previous post. Those are warm up Qs.

I can see you just take the bible as it is written. Do you really ask yourself if there are hidden messages from your god in the bible? Seems like that all you do is cut from the bible and paste. I take it you went to Bob Jones University.
Like I said, I have been around Christian Seminary students for a least 3 years. I have heard it all and could tell that if they did not attend bible school, they might end up at Walmart pushing a cart(not knocking anyone working).

Any fool can repeat what's in the bible if that's all they hear 24/7.

Keith, you are free to ask questions but protocol demands that you answer the questions first asked to you. But I may caution you that you may end up regretting it because I know the Bible very well. Now are you going to answer the one simple question or are you going to just run and hide? Another thing, why do you say that you didn't go looking for me? Who were you looking for when you began this topic with it's deceitful title? Is that how you are trained? To deceive others?

skeldon_man posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

There are also two misconceptions that you should be mindful of. Firstly the Bible is not fact. It is a book that it's believers believe in. Secondly, don't kid yourself that Skelly and I are troubled in some way. My response was primarily to a particular statement you made (go back and see which one). Everything I did since was because you demonstrated that while you wish to peddle your belief, you haven't taken the time to acknowledge that others may reasonably have a different point of view. All I intend to do is make you chase your tail and so far you are playing by my rules because you have no choice since you chose the tunnel vision approach.

The bible is the infallibility word of God. You are troubled, I didn't went looking for you and questioning you, you came here peddling your false statements with malicious intent but you see the infallibility word will always stand to correct you and the likes of you.

Now is time for me to ask you and your buddy a few questions starting with the ones in my previous post. Those are warm up Qs.

I can see you just take the bible as it is written. Do you really ask yourself if there are hidden messages from your god in the bible? Seems like that all you do is cut from the bible and paste. I take it you went to Bob Jones University.
Like I said, I have been around Christian Seminary students for a least 3 years. I have heard it all and could tell that if they did not attend bible school, they might end up at Walmart pushing a cart(not knocking anyone working).

Any fool can repeat what's in the bible if that's all they hear 24/7.

My answers comes from the Bible that's the best place to find the answers to the questions being posed. Unlike you, I don't go around quoting Darwin or Stephen Hawking. You ask a question concern something in the Bible there is verses and chapters there in to address your questions.

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

So again I ask, is the Zarobabel mentioned in the two passages the same person or two different people? Your yes or no. Not what others think. At some point in our lives we have to think for ourselves. Don't you agree?

And again I asked you what conclusion you have drawn base on what you have read?

I have my conclusion. You challenged me to present a contradiction which I did by posting the two passages which you keep running from. Go ahead, man up an answer it.

Funny how that Bible can't help you answer a simple question about whether Zorababel mentioned in the two passages is the same person. That book must be full of holes that requires on to follow it without asking any logical questions.

ksazma posted:

Keith, you are free to ask questions but protocol demands that you answer the questions first asked to you. But I may caution you that you may end up regretting it because I know the Bible very well. Now are you going to answer the one simple question or are you going to just run and hide? Another thing, why do you say that you didn't go looking for me? Who were you looking for when you began this topic with it's deceitful title? Is that how you are trained? To deceive others?

Read, you will find my answer.

As I stated before if there is a problem with the title lets have admin change it I agreed with you there, case close on that subject. You know the Bible and yet don't comprehend anything, I don't understand it all myself but I study and learn and I find truth. 

Here is a statement from the Bible that still hold true unto this day.

Numbers 33:50-55 :: 50 And the Lord spake unto Moses in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho, saying,

51 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye are passed over Jordan into the land of Canaan;

52 Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places:

53 And ye shall dispossess the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therein: for I have given you the land to possess it.

54 And ye shall divide the land by lot for an inheritance among your families: and to the more ye shall give the more inheritance, and to the fewer ye shall give the less inheritance: every man's inheritance shall be in the place where his lot falleth; according to the tribes of your fathers ye shall inherit.

55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.

Keith posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

There are also two misconceptions that you should be mindful of. Firstly the Bible is not fact. It is a book that it's believers believe in. Secondly, don't kid yourself that Skelly and I are troubled in some way. My response was primarily to a particular statement you made (go back and see which one). Everything I did since was because you demonstrated that while you wish to peddle your belief, you haven't taken the time to acknowledge that others may reasonably have a different point of view. All I intend to do is make you chase your tail and so far you are playing by my rules because you have no choice since you chose the tunnel vision approach.

The bible is the infallibility word of God. You are troubled, I didn't went looking for you and questioning you, you came here peddling your false statements with malicious intent but you see the infallibility word will always stand to correct you and the likes of you.

Now is time for me to ask you and your buddy a few questions starting with the ones in my previous post. Those are warm up Qs.

I can see you just take the bible as it is written. Do you really ask yourself if there are hidden messages from your god in the bible? Seems like that all you do is cut from the bible and paste. I take it you went to Bob Jones University.
Like I said, I have been around Christian Seminary students for a least 3 years. I have heard it all and could tell that if they did not attend bible school, they might end up at Walmart pushing a cart(not knocking anyone working).

Any fool can repeat what's in the bible if that's all they hear 24/7.

My answers comes from the Bible that's the best place to find the answers to the questions being posed. Unlike you, I don't go around quoting Darwin or Stephen Hawking. You ask a question concern something in the Bible there is verses and chapters there in to address your questions.

Yeah! I bet that's all you know.

Keith, why are you being so evasive? Why can't you answer a simple question? What in that passage you posted still hold true today?

Keith posted:

 

Answer: 40 authors wrote the Bible over a period of 1,500 years. These Bible writers wrote as they were inspired by the Holy Spirit (READ: 2 Timothy 3:16-17).  Moses was the first person to write portions of Scripture while John the disciple of Jesus was the last. Other famous people who wrote the Bible include: David, Daniel, Peter, Paul, Jonah, Isaiah, Solomon and David.

The Scripture says in II Peter 1:20-21, "You must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

The Holy Spirit revealed to the prophets the messages of Scripture. The writers of the Bible wrote not according to their own will or whim, but only as they were moved, or controlled, by the Spirit of God. The Bible is God's own book!

II Timothy 3:16-17, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." The Holy Bible affects human beings so profoundly because "all" the Bible is "God-breathed." It's more than a nice collection of moral principles; it's more than a great book; it's an inspired document, God's book. The prophets who wrote the Bible related what they saw and heard in human language, but their message came directly from God.

I 'm awaiting your questions concerning the Hold Spirit.

Please explain these passages as they relate to 2 Timothy 3:16-17. Thank you.

⁽¹⁶ All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

¹⁷ That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Ezekiel 23

¹ The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

² Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:

³ And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.

⁴ And the names of them were Aholah the elder, and Aholibah her sister: and they were mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus were their names; Samaria is Aholah, and Jerusalem Aholibah.

⁵ And Aholah played the harlot when she was mine; and she doted on her lovers, on the Assyrians her neighbours,

⁶ Which were clothed with blue, captains and rulers, all of them desirable young men, horsemen riding upon horses.

⁷ Thus she committed her whoredoms with them, with all them that were the chosen men of Assyria, and with all on whom she doted: with all their idols she defiled herself.

⁸ Neither left she her whoredoms brought from Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredom upon her.

⁹ Wherefore I have delivered her into the hand of her lovers, into the hand of the Assyrians, upon whom she doted.

¹⁰ These discovered her nakedness: they took her sons and her daughters, and slew her with the sword: and she became famous among women; for they had executed judgment upon her.

¹¹ And when her sister Aholibah saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in her whoredoms.

¹² She doted upon the Assyrians her neighbours, captains and rulers clothed most gorgeously, horsemen riding upon horses, all of them desirable young men.

¹³ Then I saw that she was defiled, that they took both one way,

¹⁴ And that she increased her whoredoms: for when she saw men pourtrayed upon the wall, the images of the Chaldeans pourtrayed with vermilion,

¹⁵ Girded with girdles upon their loins, exceeding in dyed attire upon their heads, all of them princes to look to, after the manner of the Babylonians of Chaldea, the land of their nativity:

¹⁶ And as soon as she saw them with her eyes, she doted upon them, and sent messengers unto them into Chaldea.

¹⁷ And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them.

¹⁸ So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister.

¹⁹ Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.

²⁰ For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose emission is like the emission of horses.

²¹ Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.

²² Therefore, O Aholibah, thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will raise up thy lovers against thee, from whom thy mind is alienated, and I will bring them against thee on every side;

²³ The Babylonians, and all the Chaldeans, Pekod, and Shoa, and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them: all of them desirable young men, captains and rulers, great lords and renowned, all of them riding upon horses.

²⁴ And they shall come against thee with chariots, wagons, and wheels, and with an assembly of people, which shall set against thee buckler and shield and helmet round about: and I will set judgment before them, and they shall judge thee according to their judgments.

²⁵ And I will set my jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears; and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire.

²⁶ They shall also strip thee out of thy clothes, and take away thy fair jewels.

²⁷ Thus will I make thy lewdness to cease from thee, and thy whoredom brought from the land of Egypt: so that thou shalt not lift up thine eyes unto them, nor remember Egypt any more.

²⁸ For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will deliver thee into the hand of them whom thou hatest, into the hand of them from whom thy mind is alienated:

²⁹ And they shall deal with thee hatefully, and shall take away all thy labour, and shall leave thee naked and bare: and the nakedness of thy whoredoms shall be discovered, both thy lewdness and thy whoredoms.

³⁰ I will do these things unto thee, because thou hast gone a whoring after the heathen, and because thou art polluted with their idols.

³¹ Thou hast walked in the way of thy sister; therefore will I give her cup into thine hand.

³² Thus saith the Lord God; Thou shalt drink of thy sister's cup deep and large: thou shalt be laughed to scorn and had in derision; it containeth much.

³³ Thou shalt be filled with drunkenness and sorrow, with the cup of astonishment and desolation, with the cup of thy sister Samaria.

³⁴ Thou shalt even drink it and suck it out, and thou shalt break the sherds thereof, and pluck off thine own breasts: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord God.

³⁵ Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast forgotten me, and cast me behind thy back, therefore bear thou also thy lewdness and thy whoredoms.

³⁶ The Lord said moreover unto me; Son of man, wilt thou judge Aholah and Aholibah? yea, declare unto them their abominations;

³⁷ That they have committed adultery, and blood is in their hands, and with their idols have they committed adultery, and have also caused their sons, whom they bare unto me, to pass for them through the fire, to devour them.

³⁸ Moreover this they have done unto me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned my sabbaths.

³⁹ For when they had slain their children to their idols, then they came the same day into my sanctuary to profane it; and, lo, thus have they done in the midst of mine house.

⁴⁰ And furthermore, that ye have sent for men to come from far, unto whom a messenger was sent; and, lo, they came: for whom thou didst wash thyself, paintedst thy eyes, and deckedst thyself with ornaments,

⁴¹ And satest upon a stately bed, and a table prepared before it, whereupon thou hast set mine incense and mine oil.

⁴² And a voice of a multitude being at ease was with her: and with the men of the common sort were brought Sabeans from the wilderness, which put bracelets upon their hands, and beautiful crowns upon their heads.

⁴³ Then said I unto her that was old in adulteries, Will they now commit whoredoms with her, and she with them?

⁴⁴ Yet they went in unto her, as they go in unto a woman that playeth the harlot: so went they in unto Aholah and unto Aholibah, the lewd women.

⁴⁵ And the righteous men, they shall judge them after the manner of adulteresses, and after the manner of women that shed blood; because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands.

⁴⁶ For thus saith the Lord God; I will bring up a company upon them, and will give them to be removed and spoiled.

⁴⁷ And the company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up their houses with fire.

⁴⁸ Thus will I cause lewdness to cease out of the land, that all women may be taught not to do after your lewdness.

⁴⁹ And they shall recompense your lewdness upon you, and ye shall bear the sins of your idols: and ye shall know that I am the Lord God.

Keith posted:

 

Do we all sin? The Bible teaches that we all inherit sin from the first man, Adam. (Romans 5:12) Some translations seem to contradict this by saying that a good person "does no sin" or "sinneth not." (1 John 3:6, The Bible in Basic English; King James Version) In the original language, though, the Greek verb for "sin" at 1 John 3:6 is in the present tense, which in that language normally indicates a continuous action. There is a difference between inherited sin, which we cannot avoid, and the deliberate, continuous practice of disobeying God’s laws. Thus, some translations clear up this seeming contradiction by accurately using phrases such as “does not practice sin” or “does not habitually sin.”—New World Translation; Phillips.

So from whom did Adam inherit sin?

What is this sin that we cannot avoid?

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Nice try Keith but you are not dealing with a rookie. Do yourself a favor and do some research on the real contradictions in the Bible. Nothing to do with time, context or viewpoint. Nothing to do with figurative or literal. Real contradictions. We can go over them one by one without seeking to conceal them with all the sermon stuff. Are you prepared to do that.

Present one and lets have a discussion

KeithMember

1/17/178:08 AM

 

 

 

Here is one for you Keith.

According to Luke, Zorobabel's father is Salathiel and Salathiel's father is Neri.

However, according to Matthew, Zorobabel's father is Salathiel but Salathiel's father is Jechonias.

Although there are thousands more, I chose Jesus' genealogy because I know you wish to remain focused on Jesus.

 

Just for the record, Keith challenged me back on 1/17/17 to present a contradiction and he is still chasing his tail one week later. And ironically, the question he has been running from is not even a contradictory one but a similarity one.

ksazma posted:

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Nice try Keith but you are not dealing with a rookie. Do yourself a favor and do some research on the real contradictions in the Bible. Nothing to do with time, context or viewpoint. Nothing to do with figurative or literal. Real contradictions. We can go over them one by one without seeking to conceal them with all the sermon stuff. Are you prepared to do that.

Present one and lets have a discussion

KeithMember

1/17/178:08 AM

 

 

 

Here is one for you Keith.

According to Luke, Zorobabel's father is Salathiel and Salathiel's father is Neri.

However, according to Matthew, Zorobabel's father is Salathiel but Salathiel's father is Jechonias.

Although there are thousands more, I chose Jesus' genealogy because I know you wish to remain focused on Jesus.

 

Just for the record, Keith challenged me back on 1/17/17 to present a contradiction and he is still chasing his tail one week later. And ironically, the question he has been running from is not even a contradictory one but a similarity one.

And for the record reread my previous post/comments in reference to your questions and draw your own conclusion.

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

 

Do we all sin? The Bible teaches that we all inherit sin from the first man, Adam. (Romans 5:12) Some translations seem to contradict this by saying that a good person "does no sin" or "sinneth not." (1 John 3:6, The Bible in Basic English; King James Version) In the original language, though, the Greek verb for "sin" at 1 John 3:6 is in the present tense, which in that language normally indicates a continuous action. There is a difference between inherited sin, which we cannot avoid, and the deliberate, continuous practice of disobeying God’s laws. Thus, some translations clear up this seeming contradiction by accurately using phrases such as “does not practice sin” or “does not habitually sin.”—New World Translation; Phillips.

So from whom did Adam inherit sin?

What is this sin that we cannot avoid?

Go and read the book of Genesis or when you find something that support your question then lets have a discussion.

What God Thinks of Slothfulness

ksazma posted:

Keith, why are you being so evasive? Why can't you answer a simple question? What in that passage you posted still hold true today?

I don't think I am, you are too lazy to read the answer I have given to the extent you mention you are falling asleep.

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

 

Answer: 40 authors wrote the Bible over a period of 1,500 years. These Bible writers wrote as they were inspired by the Holy Spirit (READ: 2 Timothy 3:16-17).  Moses was the first person to write portions of Scripture while John the disciple of Jesus was the last. Other famous people who wrote the Bible include: David, Daniel, Peter, Paul, Jonah, Isaiah, Solomon and David.

The Scripture says in II Peter 1:20-21, "You must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

The Holy Spirit revealed to the prophets the messages of Scripture. The writers of the Bible wrote not according to their own will or whim, but only as they were moved, or controlled, by the Spirit of God. The Bible is God's own book!

II Timothy 3:16-17, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." The Holy Bible affects human beings so profoundly because "all" the Bible is "God-breathed." It's more than a nice collection of moral principles; it's more than a great book; it's an inspired document, God's book. The prophets who wrote the Bible related what they saw and heard in human language, but their message came directly from God.

I 'm awaiting your questions concerning the Hold Spirit.

 

Please explain these passages as they relate to 2 Timothy 3:16-17. Thank you.

⁽¹⁶ All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

¹⁷ That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Ezekiel 23

¹ The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

² Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:

³ And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.

⁴ And the names of them were Aholah the elder, and Aholibah her sister: and they were mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus were their names; Samaria is Aholah, and Jerusalem Aholibah.

⁵ And Aholah played the harlot when she was mine; and she doted on her lovers, on the Assyrians her neighbours,

⁶ Which were clothed with blue, captains and rulers, all of them desirable young men, horsemen riding upon horses.

⁷ Thus she committed her whoredoms with them, with all them that were the chosen men of Assyria, and with all on whom she doted: with all their idols she defiled herself.

⁸ Neither left she her whoredoms brought from Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredom upon her.

⁹ Wherefore I have delivered her into the hand of her lovers, into the hand of the Assyrians, upon whom she doted.

¹⁰ These discovered her nakedness: they took her sons and her daughters, and slew her with the sword: and she became famous among women; for they had executed judgment upon her.

¹¹ And when her sister Aholibah saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in her whoredoms.

¹² She doted upon the Assyrians her neighbours, captains and rulers clothed most gorgeously, horsemen riding upon horses, all of them desirable young men.

¹³ Then I saw that she was defiled, that they took both one way,

¹⁴ And that she increased her whoredoms: for when she saw men pourtrayed upon the wall, the images of the Chaldeans pourtrayed with vermilion,

¹⁵ Girded with girdles upon their loins, exceeding in dyed attire upon their heads, all of them princes to look to, after the manner of the Babylonians of Chaldea, the land of their nativity:

¹⁶ And as soon as she saw them with her eyes, she doted upon them, and sent messengers unto them into Chaldea.

¹⁷ And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them.

¹⁸ So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister.

¹⁹ Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.

²⁰ For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose emission is like the emission of horses.

²¹ Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.

²² Therefore, O Aholibah, thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will raise up thy lovers against thee, from whom thy mind is alienated, and I will bring them against thee on every side;

²³ The Babylonians, and all the Chaldeans, Pekod, and Shoa, and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them: all of them desirable young men, captains and rulers, great lords and renowned, all of them riding upon horses.

²⁴ And they shall come against thee with chariots, wagons, and wheels, and with an assembly of people, which shall set against thee buckler and shield and helmet round about: and I will set judgment before them, and they shall judge thee according to their judgments.

²⁵ And I will set my jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears; and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire.

²⁶ They shall also strip thee out of thy clothes, and take away thy fair jewels.

²⁷ Thus will I make thy lewdness to cease from thee, and thy whoredom brought from the land of Egypt: so that thou shalt not lift up thine eyes unto them, nor remember Egypt any more.

²⁸ For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will deliver thee into the hand of them whom thou hatest, into the hand of them from whom thy mind is alienated:

²⁹ And they shall deal with thee hatefully, and shall take away all thy labour, and shall leave thee naked and bare: and the nakedness of thy whoredoms shall be discovered, both thy lewdness and thy whoredoms.

³⁰ I will do these things unto thee, because thou hast gone a whoring after the heathen, and because thou art polluted with their idols.

³¹ Thou hast walked in the way of thy sister; therefore will I give her cup into thine hand.

³² Thus saith the Lord God; Thou shalt drink of thy sister's cup deep and large: thou shalt be laughed to scorn and had in derision; it containeth much.

³³ Thou shalt be filled with drunkenness and sorrow, with the cup of astonishment and desolation, with the cup of thy sister Samaria.

³⁴ Thou shalt even drink it and suck it out, and thou shalt break the sherds thereof, and pluck off thine own breasts: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord God.

³⁵ Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast forgotten me, and cast me behind thy back, therefore bear thou also thy lewdness and thy whoredoms.

³⁶ The Lord said moreover unto me; Son of man, wilt thou judge Aholah and Aholibah? yea, declare unto them their abominations;

³⁷ That they have committed adultery, and blood is in their hands, and with their idols have they committed adultery, and have also caused their sons, whom they bare unto me, to pass for them through the fire, to devour them.

³⁸ Moreover this they have done unto me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned my sabbaths.

³⁹ For when they had slain their children to their idols, then they came the same day into my sanctuary to profane it; and, lo, thus have they done in the midst of mine house.

⁴⁰ And furthermore, that ye have sent for men to come from far, unto whom a messenger was sent; and, lo, they came: for whom thou didst wash thyself, paintedst thy eyes, and deckedst thyself with ornaments,

⁴¹ And satest upon a stately bed, and a table prepared before it, whereupon thou hast set mine incense and mine oil.

⁴² And a voice of a multitude being at ease was with her: and with the men of the common sort were brought Sabeans from the wilderness, which put bracelets upon their hands, and beautiful crowns upon their heads.

⁴³ Then said I unto her that was old in adulteries, Will they now commit whoredoms with her, and she with them?

⁴⁴ Yet they went in unto her, as they go in unto a woman that playeth the harlot: so went they in unto Aholah and unto Aholibah, the lewd women.

⁴⁵ And the righteous men, they shall judge them after the manner of adulteresses, and after the manner of women that shed blood; because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands.

⁴⁶ For thus saith the Lord God; I will bring up a company upon them, and will give them to be removed and spoiled.

⁴⁷ And the company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up their houses with fire.

⁴⁸ Thus will I cause lewdness to cease out of the land, that all women may be taught not to do after your lewdness.

⁴⁹ And they shall recompense your lewdness upon you, and ye shall bear the sins of your idols: and ye shall know that I am the Lord God.

Will address later....Thanks.

No concerning Ezekiel 23, before I begin to explain what being said here, let me ask you this:

In Ezekiel 23 verse 2 states: ^"Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:"

Do you know who the two women are? I am asking since you have read the bible and know more about it than I do. Just want us to be on the same page of understanding this verse before I proceed.

Keith posted:

What God Thinks of Slothfulness

Ephesians 2:8-10

 

Lazy people live in a bubble of self-absorption. The only thing that matters to them is that they get what they want. This is in direct conflict with Scripture, which says we are to regard one another as more important than ourselves (Phil. 2:3). For instance, when we are deliberately slow on the job, we are not regarding our boss as important.

Go tell this to Bill Gates, Donald Trump or Michael Bloomberg.

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

 

Do we all sin? The Bible teaches that we all inherit sin from the first man, Adam. (Romans 5:12) Some translations seem to contradict this by saying that a good person "does no sin" or "sinneth not." (1 John 3:6, The Bible in Basic English; King James Version) In the original language, though, the Greek verb for "sin" at 1 John 3:6 is in the present tense, which in that language normally indicates a continuous action. There is a difference between inherited sin, which we cannot avoid, and the deliberate, continuous practice of disobeying God’s laws. Thus, some translations clear up this seeming contradiction by accurately using phrases such as “does not practice sin” or “does not habitually sin.”—New World Translation; Phillips.

So from whom did Adam inherit sin?

What is this sin that we cannot avoid?

As mention in previous post read the book Genesis to find answer to your question highlighted above.

Lets look at what 1 John 3:6 is saying :  ⁶ Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Whosoever abideth in him
As the branch in the vine, deriving all light, life, grace, holiness, wisdom, strength, joy, peace, and comfort from Christ; or dwells in him by faith, enjoys communion with him as a fruit of union to him; and stands fast in him, being rooted and grounded in him, and abides by him, his truths and ordinances, takes up his rest, and places his security in him, and perseveres through him:

sinneth not;
not that he has no sin in him, or lives without sin, but he does not live in sin, nor give up himself to a vicious course of life; for this would be inconsistent with his dwelling in Christ, and enjoying communion with him:

whosoever sinneth;
which is not to be understood of a single action, but of a course of sinning:

hath not seen him, neither known him;
that is, he has never seen Christ with an eye of faith; he has never truly and spiritually seen the glory, beauty, fulness, and suitableness of Christ, his need, and the worth of him; he has never seen him so as to enjoy him, and have communion with him; for what communion hath Christ with Belial, or light with darkness, or righteousness with unrighteousness? ( 2 Corinthians 6:14 2 Corinthians 6:15 ) , nor has he ever savingly known him, or been experimentally acquainted with him; for though he may profess to know him in words, he denies him in works.

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Nice try Keith but you are not dealing with a rookie. Do yourself a favor and do some research on the real contradictions in the Bible. Nothing to do with time, context or viewpoint. Nothing to do with figurative or literal. Real contradictions. We can go over them one by one without seeking to conceal them with all the sermon stuff. Are you prepared to do that.

Present one and lets have a discussion

KeithMember

1/17/178:08 AM

 

 

 

Here is one for you Keith.

According to Luke, Zorobabel's father is Salathiel and Salathiel's father is Neri.

However, according to Matthew, Zorobabel's father is Salathiel but Salathiel's father is Jechonias.

Although there are thousands more, I chose Jesus' genealogy because I know you wish to remain focused on Jesus.

 

Just for the record, Keith challenged me back on 1/17/17 to present a contradiction and he is still chasing his tail one week later. And ironically, the question he has been running from is not even a contradictory one but a similarity one.

And for the record reread my previous post/comments in reference to your questions and draw your own conclusion.

Can you point me to where you answered that "yes, Zorababel is the same person mentioned in the two passages" or "no, the Zorababels mentioned in the two passages are not the same person". Thank you.

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

 

Do we all sin? The Bible teaches that we all inherit sin from the first man, Adam. (Romans 5:12) Some translations seem to contradict this by saying that a good person "does no sin" or "sinneth not." (1 John 3:6, The Bible in Basic English; King James Version) In the original language, though, the Greek verb for "sin" at 1 John 3:6 is in the present tense, which in that language normally indicates a continuous action. There is a difference between inherited sin, which we cannot avoid, and the deliberate, continuous practice of disobeying God’s laws. Thus, some translations clear up this seeming contradiction by accurately using phrases such as “does not practice sin” or “does not habitually sin.”—New World Translation; Phillips.

So from whom did Adam inherit sin?

What is this sin that we cannot avoid?

Go and read the book of Genesis or when you find something that support your question then lets have a discussion.

Dude, you came here posting passages from the Bible. Now when someone ask you about something you post, you tell them to go read Genesis. What exactly is your objective if not to expound on what you posted?

Keith posted:

No concerning Ezekiel 23, before I begin to explain what being said here, let me ask you this:

In Ezekiel 23 verse 2 states: ^"Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:"

Do you know who the two women are? I am asking since you have read the bible and know more about it than I do. Just want us to be on the same page of understanding this verse before I proceed.

What same page? All I ask you to do is explain Ezekiel 23 as it relates to 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

 

Do we all sin? The Bible teaches that we all inherit sin from the first man, Adam. (Romans 5:12) Some translations seem to contradict this by saying that a good person "does no sin" or "sinneth not." (1 John 3:6, The Bible in Basic English; King James Version) In the original language, though, the Greek verb for "sin" at 1 John 3:6 is in the present tense, which in that language normally indicates a continuous action. There is a difference between inherited sin, which we cannot avoid, and the deliberate, continuous practice of disobeying God’s laws. Thus, some translations clear up this seeming contradiction by accurately using phrases such as “does not practice sin” or “does not habitually sin.”—New World Translation; Phillips.

So from whom did Adam inherit sin?

What is this sin that we cannot avoid?

As mention in previous post read the book Genesis to find answer to your question highlighted above.

Lets look at what 1 John 3:6 is saying :  ⁶ Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Whosoever abideth in him
As the branch in the vine, deriving all light, life, grace, holiness, wisdom, strength, joy, peace, and comfort from Christ; or dwells in him by faith, enjoys communion with him as a fruit of union to him; and stands fast in him, being rooted and grounded in him, and abides by him, his truths and ordinances, takes up his rest, and places his security in him, and perseveres through him:

sinneth not;
not that he has no sin in him, or lives without sin, but he does not live in sin, nor give up himself to a vicious course of life; for this would be inconsistent with his dwelling in Christ, and enjoying communion with him:

whosoever sinneth;
which is not to be understood of a single action, but of a course of sinning:

hath not seen him, neither known him;
that is, he has never seen Christ with an eye of faith; he has never truly and spiritually seen the glory, beauty, fulness, and suitableness of Christ, his need, and the worth of him; he has never seen him so as to enjoy him, and have communion with him; for what communion hath Christ with Belial, or light with darkness, or righteousness with unrighteousness? ( 2 Corinthians 6:14 2 Corinthians 6:15 ) , nor has he ever savingly known him, or been experimentally acquainted with him; for though he may profess to know him in words, he denies him in works.

Since nothing you wrote above answers the two questions, I ask you to address them again. My question was not about how to AVOID sin. It was;

What is this sin that we cannot avoid.

From whom did Adam inherit sin.

Thank you.

Thanks for the fig story Kaz, that page must have been torn out of the one I read, I don't recall that story but it good though.

Good luck in your pursuit of explanations with twenty minutes of reading without receiving anything concrete.

cain posted:

Thanks for the fig story Kaz, that page must have been torn out of the one I read, I don't recall that story but it good though.

Good luck in your pursuit of explanations with twenty minutes of reading without receiving anything concrete.

I don't know why I am making a big deal over the fig tree anyway. Especially since I don't even care for figs. I prefer mangoes.

I am going to avoid this foolish dispute, genealogies, contentions and strivings about the Bible; for this is unprofitable and useless. I found you to be divisive from several admonition. 

Keith posted:

I am going to avoid this foolish dispute, genealogies, contentions and strivings about the Bible; for this is unprofitable and useless. I found you to be divisive from several admonition. 

In conclusion. I proved that you are incapable of explaining the book you seek to have others follow. Even as blindly as you prove you blindly follow it.

I will be looking at what you post and will comment whenever I see it fit.

Remember, this is a discussion board, not your church.

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

I am going to avoid this foolish dispute, genealogies, contentions and strivings about the Bible; for this is unprofitable and useless. I found you to be divisive from several admonition. 

In conclusion. I proved that you are incapable of explaining the book you seek to have others follow. Even as blindly as you prove you blindly follow it.

I will be looking at what you post and will comment whenever I see it fit.

Remember, this is a discussion board, not your church.

In conclusion you prove to have no understanding of the scriptures in the Bible and when someone of understanding try to help your misunderstanding by explain the scriptures, you show time and again how ignorant you are of that understanding. If you or anyone revisit previous post/comments you will clearly see your ignorance. 

You are certainly free to comment as you like, we do have this liberty of free speech. I still have love you all and will pray for you all.

Getting the Most Out of Work

Keith posted:

Getting the Most Out of Work

Colossians 3:22-24

“Love what you do, and you will not work a day in your life,” goes the saying. But we don’t always get to do what we like or labor alongside easy-going people. Any job—even a well-loved one—has low points and tasks that feel like drudgery. Our attitude, then, cannot be based upon the work itself or our feelings; rather, it must reflect our position as God’s children. We would be far wiser to adopt a new maxim: “Work for the Lord you love, and you will be fulfilled every day of your life.”

We get the most out of our work when we view ourselves as servants. That, however, is not the perspective of modern culture, which teaches us to seek power and respect for self instead of toiling diligently for those who are in authority over us.

When it comes to our attitude about work, here is the principle as taught in God’s Word: “In all things obey those who are your masters on earth” (Col. 3:22). Biblical obedience isn’t merely an outward show with inward grumbling and resentment. Rather, it is a true commitment to the welfare of the employer.

God’s children are called to be His servants. Since we spend significant amounts of time at a job, much of our service will be done there. As employees, we are to apply the biblical principles of obedience and sacrifice, because whoever our human boss may be, the Lord is the ultimate authority overseeing our actions. He wants to observe us practicing righteousness at work and in all areas of our lives.

I be the pimps would really like to listen your sermon.

Keith posted:

Getting the Most Out of Work

Colossians 3:22-24

As employees, we are to apply the biblical principles of obedience and sacrifice, because whoever our human boss may be, the Lord is the ultimate authority overseeing our actions. He wants to observe us practicing righteousness at work and in all areas of our lives.

If the Lord is overseeing our actions at work and wants to observe us practicing righteousness at work, why isn't He overseeing our bosses to ensure they practice righteousness at work by treating their employees with respect. We hear more and more about bosses abusing their employees.

The Rewards of Working Well

How can one reflect Christ by being kind, graceful and humble when Christ wasn't kind graceful or humble. He ignored people and when his compadres plead with him to not be an a-hole, he belligerently told his compadres that that person is not his problem.

Keith posted:

The Rewards of Working Well

Ephesians 6:5-8

To help with my college expenses, I spent summers working in a textile mill. My assignment was in the bleachery, the hottest part of the complex. I did not like the work, the heat, or the tough boss, and for the first couple of weeks, my attitude reflected my unhappiness. The job wouldn’t change, I realized, but my way of thinking could. I decided to work as if the Lord was my boss, and that choice made all the difference.

The heat did not bother me anymore. The work became tolerable, and best of all, I had many opportunities to share my faith because fellow workers noticed I was different. When I returned the following summer, that harsh boss gave me a job without hesitation.

Treating our work like an extension of our service to the Lord changes our attitude. Pleasing Him motivates us to do our best and inevitably results in the believer’s contentment. A job may be challenging, frustrating, or boring, but we can be at peace instead of wallowing in negative emotions.

A servant heart can impact other employees as well. Service that is rendered with kindness, grace, and humility gets coworkers’ attention, which in turn opens up opportunities for ministry to the people with whom we spend hours each day.

Rewards for enthusiastic service on the job can take many forms—including greater personal satisfaction in our work and opportunities to reflect Christ to others. There is also the great joy of knowing that our Father is happy with our performance.

So Brother Keith, what is your real job? Are you a minister or a regular run of the mill 8 hour working guy?

skeldon_man posted:

So Brother Keith, what is your real job? Are you a minister or a regular run of the mill 8 hour working guy?

We idrine gane. He nah like answering questions.