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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by ksazma:

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Originally posted by D2:
If they want a nuclear bomb...sad but true...they should not have one.

And why not?

Look at pakistan. There are a bunch of crazies in the ISI not reluctant to send all 5 to 20 of their bombs into India. If that government falls, the US is bombing every military site and India is in there like locusts securing their state from annihilation. And Pakistan is a little more rational than Iran!

Religious rule is never good for a state. Iran is the first state in the entire history of Islam where Mullahs dominate the society from top down. Religion in this position is totalitarian. They rule by interpretations when rule needs to be from analysis. Iran can be a light in the ME but it is an oppressive retrogressive society with a madman as it visible face and mullahs pulling his strings. That is a recipe for unbridled ignorance.

Yet with all we talk about other people don't have the maturity to manage their nukes, we are the only ones who have ever used them. If Israel can have nukes, others in that region should also. I have a better idea, rid the region of all nukes. Something the entire region is willing to do except Israel. And strangely, we are unwilling to accept the offer of all the Muslim leaders in that region.

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Originally posted by D2:
Iran is the first state in the entire history of Islam where Mullahs dominate the society from top down. Religion in this position is totalitarian. They rule by interpretations when rule needs to be from analysis. Iran can be a light in the ME but it is an oppressive retrogressive society with a madman as it visible face and mullahs pulling his strings. That is a recipe for unbridled ignorance.

This is typical character assasination MO when people want to start a fight. Remember Saddam was also a madman. It turned out he was right about not having WMD and we ended loosing over 5k of our service people and millions of dollars for our miscalculated expedition.

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by ksazma:

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Originally posted by D2:
If they want a nuclear bomb...sad but true...they should not have one.

And why not?

Look at Pakistan. There are a bunch of crazies in the ISI not reluctant to send all 5 to 20 of their bombs into India. If that government falls, the US is bombing every military site and India is in there like locusts securing their state from annihilation. And Pakistan is a little more rational than Iran!

Religious rule is never good for a state. Iran is the first state in the entire history of Islam where Mullahs dominate the society from top down. Religion in this position is totalitarian. They rule by interpretations when rule needs to be from analysis. Iran can be a light in the ME but it is an oppressive retrogressive society with a madman as it visible face and mullahs pulling his strings. That is a recipe for unbridled ignorance.

Yet with all we talk about other people don't have the maturity to manage their nukes, we are the only ones who have ever used them. If Israel can have nukes, others in that region should also. I have a better idea, rid the region of all nukes. Something the entire region is willing to do except Israel. And strangely, we are unwilling to accept the offer of all the Muslim leaders in that region.

The argument as to why they were used has two sides. For the US it was a year in the trenches with a million of its on dead or a week with 200k of theirs. And of course there is the other view that it was simply too much shock and awe to crush an army on the verge of defeat for racist reasons.


I do not care to take either side but I know the dangers of Nuclear weapons and the two superpowers only came close to using them against each other and on account of mistake and misinformation not useless aggression and posturing. Iran is the epitome of posturing and grand standing. The world does not need such weapons in the hands of people clearly not under any eminent external threat except from internal their own people.

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Originally posted by ksazma:

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Originally posted by D2:
Iran is the first state in the entire history of Islam where Mullahs dominate the society from top down. Religion in this position is totalitarian. They rule by interpretations when rule needs to be from analysis. Iran can be a light in the ME but it is an oppressive retrogressive society with a madman as it visible face and mullahs pulling his strings. That is a recipe for unbridled ignorance.

This is typical character assasination MO when people want to start a fight. Remember Saddam was also a madman. It turned out he was right about not having WMD and we ended loosing over 5k of our service people and millions of dollars for our miscalculated expedition.

I followed that the Iraq war completely and prior to the war the threat held out by Saddam on pretext it will hold off an invasion was that he had WMD. It is external assessment by appointed monitors who suspected he was bluffing. Well, the wrong people believe him and now he is dust.

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by ksazma:

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Originally posted by D2:
If they want a nuclear bomb...sad but true...they should not have one.

And why not?

Look at Pakistan. There are a bunch of crazies in the ISI not reluctant to send all 5 to 20 of their bombs into India. If that government falls, the US is bombing every military site and India is in there like locusts securing their state from annihilation. And Pakistan is a little more rational than Iran!

Religious rule is never good for a state. Iran is the first state in the entire history of Islam where Mullahs dominate the society from top down. Religion in this position is totalitarian. They rule by interpretations when rule needs to be from analysis. Iran can be a light in the ME but it is an oppressive retrogressive society with a madman as it visible face and mullahs pulling his strings. That is a recipe for unbridled ignorance.

Yet with all we talk about other people don't have the maturity to manage their nukes, we are the only ones who have ever used them. If Israel can have nukes, others in that region should also. I have a better idea, rid the region of all nukes. Something the entire region is willing to do except Israel. And strangely, we are unwilling to accept the offer of all the Muslim leaders in that region.

The argument as to why they were used has two sides. For the US it was a year in the trenches with a million of its on dead or a week with 200k of theirs. And of course there is the other view that it was simply too much shock and awe to crush an army on the verge of defeat for racist reasons.


I do not care to take either side but I know the dangers of Nuclear weapons and the two superpowers only came close to using them against each other and on account of mistake and misinformation not useless aggression and posturing. Iran is the epitome of posturing and grand standing. The world does not need such weapons in the hands of people clearly not under any eminent external threat except from internal their own people.

If reasons for its use was sufficient, then anyone else is capable of having similar reasons. It does not remove the fact that we more than anyone else lack the moral fortitute to accuse others of what we think they will do with them.

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Originally posted by ksazma:

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Originally posted by D2:
Iran is the first state in the entire history of Islam where Mullahs dominate the society from top down. Religion in this position is totalitarian. They rule by interpretations when rule needs to be from analysis. Iran can be a light in the ME but it is an oppressive retrogressive society with a madman as it visible face and mullahs pulling his strings. That is a recipe for unbridled ignorance.

This is typical character assasination MO when people want to start a fight. Remember Saddam was also a madman. It turned out he was right about not having WMD and we ended loosing over 5k of our service people and millions of dollars for our miscalculated expedition.

I followed that the Iraq war completely and prior to the war the threat held out by Saddam on pretext it will hold off an invasion was that he had WMD. It is external assessment by appointed monitors who suspected he was bluffing. Well, the wrong people believe him and now he is dust.

So is over 5k of our service men and women who were sent to the slaughter.

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Anyone who invades and occupies someone else's country is going to be at a disadvantage in the long run, no matter how many gee-whiz superweapons they have at their disposal. The classic case is Vietnam. People can be very stubborn about defending their homeland.

Iran is not an invade and hold; it is a search and destroy. That was already noted above. The Iranians themselves will overrun the mullahs in the carnage.

Right, and the Iraqis will be welcoming American troops with flowers in the streets. Oops, that didn't happen. History shows that no matter how unpopular a regime may be with its own people, nothing will unite a nation like an attack by a foreign invader.

You seem to be exceptionally eager to swallow British propaganda, second only to Obama in that regard.

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Yet with all we talk about other people don't have the maturity to manage their nukes, we are the only ones who have ever used them. If Israel can have nukes, others in that region should also. I have a better idea, rid the region of all nukes. Something the entire region is willing to do except Israel. And strangely, we are unwilling to accept the offer of all the Muslim leaders in that region.

The argument as to why they were used has two sides. For the US it was a year in the trenches with a million of its on dead or a week with 200k of theirs. And of course there is the other view that it was simply too much shock and awe to crush an army on the verge of defeat for racist reasons.

Military leaders opposed the use of nukes on Japan. MacArthur pointed out that they had an airtight blockade around Japan and all they had to was wait and starve them out. It was crazed utopian civilians that wanted to intimidate the entire planet through a senseless terror bombing of Japanese civilians.

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Originally posted by D2

Religious rule is never good for a state. Iran is the first state in the entire history of Islam where Mullahs dominate the society from top down. Religion in this position is totalitarian. They rule by interpretations when rule needs to be from analysis. Iran can be a light in the ME but it is an oppressive retrogressive society with a madman as it visible face and mullahs pulling his strings. That is a recipe for unbridled ignorance.

You can safely blame it on the CIA and the subsequent advent of the great Shah.

Shoe seems to be on the other foot now.

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Originally posted by D2

Religious rule is never good for a state. Iran is the first state in the entire history of Islam where Mullahs dominate the society from top down. Religion in this position is totalitarian. They rule by interpretations when rule needs to be from analysis. Iran can be a light in the ME but it is an oppressive retrogressive society with a madman as it visible face and mullahs pulling his strings. That is a recipe for unbridled ignorance.

You can safely blame it on the CIA and the subsequent advent of the great Shah.

The Brits and the Americans routinely change regimes in Iran, overthrowing one ruler, installing another, and then they get tired of the new one and want yet another. I imagine the Iranians are pretty weary of this game. Back in '79, BTW, it was a standard joke among Iranians that if you look under the Mullah's robe, it says "Made in England."

If I were those Iranians I would build a thousand drones and fly them over Israel. Pop a few off. Not to kill but just to stir distrust between the two (US and Isreal). Sit back and watch them destroy themselves.

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Sit back and watch them destroy themselves.

The world has had more than its share of destruction already.

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Also, there are hundreds of predators and raptors that can be flown into their backyards without they ever knowing.

And what have they done to deserve this assault?

I am not saying we should go in. I am assessing their chances. If they want a nuclear bomb...sad but true...they should not have one.

why not dumm2 ?

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Also, there are hundreds of predators and raptors that can be flown into their backyards without they ever knowing.

And what have they done to deserve this assault?

I am not saying we should go in. I am assessing their chances. If they want a nuclear bomb...sad but true...they should not have one.

why not dumm2 ?

asked and answered.

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Also, there are hundreds of predators and raptors that can be flown into their backyards without they ever knowing.

And what have they done to deserve this assault?

I am not saying we should go in. I am assessing their chances. If they want a nuclear bomb...sad but true...they should not have one.

why not dumm2 ?

asked and answered.

no drone fu yall

'Returning US spy drone out of question'
Tue Dec 13, 2011

A senior Iranian lawmaker says Iran will definitely not return the RQ-170 spy drone to the US, and Washington has to compensate Tehran for violating the country's airspace.


The White House must face the consequences of violating Iran's airspace and not request its drone back, Chairman of Iran's Majlis (parliament) National Security and Foreign Policy Committee Alaeddin Boroujerdi said on Tuesday, adding that returning the RQ-170 drone is out of the question.

The US RQ-170 Sentinel stealth aircraft was landed with minimal damage by the Iranian Army's electronic warfare unit on December 4 while flying over the northeastern Iran city of Kashmar, some 225 kilometers (140 miles) away from the Afghan border.

On Monday the Obama administration delivered a formal request to Iran for the return of the drone.

“[US President Barack] Obama is ignoring the fact that a spy drone has violated Iran's airspace and according to international law this is a violation [of the law],” Boroujerdi said.

The Iranian lawmaker added that the US has not officially requested the return of the drone, since the plea must be submitted through the Swiss ambassador to Iran and “this has not happened yet.”

Boroujerdi said the US must “pay compensation for the violating Iran's airspace,” in addition to apologizing to the Islamic Republic.

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'Returning US spy drone out of question'
Tue Dec 13, 2011

A senior Iranian lawmaker says Iran will definitely not return the RQ-170 spy drone to the US, and Washington has to compensate Tehran for violating the country's airspace.


The White House must face the consequences of violating Iran's airspace and not request its drone back, Chairman of Iran's Majlis (parliament) National Security and Foreign Policy Committee Alaeddin Boroujerdi said on Tuesday, adding that returning the RQ-170 drone is out of the question.

The US RQ-170 Sentinel stealth aircraft was landed with minimal damage by the Iranian Army's electronic warfare unit on December 4 while flying over the northeastern Iran city of Kashmar, some 225 kilometers (140 miles) away from the Afghan border.

On Monday the Obama administration delivered a formal request to Iran for the return of the drone.

“[US President Barack] Obama is ignoring the fact that a spy drone has violated Iran's airspace and according to international law this is a violation [of the law],” Boroujerdi said.

The Iranian lawmaker added that the US has not officially requested the return of the drone, since the plea must be submitted through the Swiss ambassador to Iran and “this has not happened yet.”

Boroujerdi said the US must “pay compensation for the violating Iran's airspace,” in addition to apologizing to the Islamic Republic.

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“pay compensation for the violating Iran's airspace,” in addition to apologizing to the Islamic Republic.

The United States seems of late to be apologizing to quite a few countries.......Afghanistan, for killing innocent women and children and babies, to Pakistan for massacring Pakistani Soldiers, and now Iran demanding apologies.

US now seems to be a Nation of Apologist.

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'US plea on downed drone irrelevant'
Tue Dec 13, 2011

Following US President Barack Obama's formal plea to Tehran to return a US spy drone downed by Iran's armed forces last week, a senior Iranian lawmaker says Obama's plea is “irrelevant.”


Mohammad Kowsari, deputy head of Iran Majlis (parliament) National Security and Foreign Policy Committee, said that Obama's request on Iran to return the RQ-170 spy drone was irrelevant and needed no answer.

“The incident is clear enough and the US offence is also quite evident,” Fars News Agency quoted him as saying on Tuesday.

The lawmaker added that the aircraft had entered Iran's airspace for espionage purposes and that the "Americans' measure to spy on Iran leaves no room for their request" on Tehran to return the drone.

“We have filed a lawsuit against America [with the UN] and are following up [on that suit],” he said.

Meanwhile, head of National Security and Foreign Policy Committee Alaeddin Boroujerdi stated on Tuesday that Iran will definitely not return the RQ-170 spy drone, and Washington has to compensate Tehran for violating the country's airspace.

Pointing to Obama's plea to Tehran to return the drone, the lawmaker added, “US President Barack] Obama is ignoring the fact that a spy drone has violated Iran's airspace and according to international law this is a violation [of the law].”

Boroujerdi emphasized that the US must “pay compensation for violating Iran's airspace,” in addition to apologizing to the Islamic Republic.

The US RQ-170 Sentinel stealth aircraft was brought down with minimal damage by the Iranian Army's electronic warfare unit on Sunday, December 4, 2011, when flying over the northeastern Iran city of Kashmar, some 225 kilometers (140 miles) away from the Afghan border.

Following days of silence on the capture and unveiling of spy drone by Iranian armed forces, US President Barack Obama said on Monday that Washington has asked Tehran to return the US reconnaissance drone.

“We've asked for it back. We'll see how the Iranians respond,” Obama said in a news conference with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki in Washington.

The RQ-170 is an unmanned stealth aircraft designed and developed by the Lockheed Martin Company.

Iran has announced that it intends to carry out reverse engineering on the aircraft, which is similar in design to a US Air Force B2 stealth bomber.

Tehran says that the US drone spy mission was a “hostile act,” adding that it will lodge a complaint with the United Nations over the violation of its air sovereignty by the intelligence gathering aircraft.

Iranian Ambassador to the United Nations Mohammad Khazaei on December 8 called on the world body to condemn US aggressive moves against the Islamic Republic with respect to the reconnaissance drone that violated the Iranian airspace.

He made the plea in a letter sent to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon, General Assembly President Nassir Abdulaziz a-Nasser, and Vitaly Churkin, Russia's UN ambassador who holds the rotating Security Council presidency for December.

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Iran indicts 15 US, Israeli spies
Tue Dec 13, 2011

Tehran Prosecutor Abbas Jafari-Dolatabadi says Iran's Judiciary has issued indictments against 15 individuals on charges of spying for the United States and the Israeli regime.


“The accused in the case were individuals that committed acts of espionage against the Islamic Republic of Iran,” Dolatabadi told reported on Tuesday.

The Iranian official, however, did not reveal the identities of the suspects, IRNA reported.

On May 21, Iran's Intelligence Ministry announced that a network of 30 individuals were detained on charges of spying for the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and 42 CIA operatives were identified as having links with the network.

The network, which was set up by a considerable number of seasoned CIA operatives in several countries, attempted to deceive citizens into spying for the agency under the guise of issuing visas, assisting with US permanent residency, and offering employment and study opportunities in American institutions.

The intelligence ministry added that the dismantled network mainly targeted the nuclear energy field as well as sensitive oil and gas centers, noting that “one of their major objectives was sabotage.”

According to the ministry, the CIA operatives had gathered information from "universities and scientific research centers, and in the field of … aerospace, defense and biotechnology industries."

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The whole of the Middle East is a mess. One dictator after another. Now America has to deal with a President with empty promises, an economy in shambles, no jobs act . What a mess.

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“pay compensation for the violating Iran's airspace,” in addition to apologizing to the Islamic Republic.

The United States seems of late to be apologizing to quite a few countries.......Afghanistan, for killing innocent women and children and babies, to Pakistan for massacring Pakistani Soldiers, and now Iran demanding apologies.

US now seems to be a Nation of Apologist.

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You think they should just bomb dem rass and doan bother apologise?
Just say, OOPS!

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Originally posted by asj:

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“pay compensation for the violating Iran's airspace,” in addition to apologizing to the Islamic Republic.

The United States seems of late to be apologizing to quite a few countries.......Afghanistan, for killing innocent women and children and babies, to Pakistan for massacring Pakistani Soldiers, and now Iran demanding apologies.

US now seems to be a Nation of Apologist.

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You think they should just bomb dem rass and doan bother apologise?
Just say, OOPS!

waa u tink D2 ruff ruff

can we please have our drone back




NOOOOOOOOO..yu hard ears EH

LOL

US fear and loathing over spy drone
Wed Dec 14, 2011

In what seems to be nothing but US-style barefaced arrogance, President Barack Obama has demanded the return of a spy drone which violated the airspace of the Islamic Republic but which was to the humiliation of the US officials downed by the Iranian army.

The top-secret RQ-170 Sentinel drone, which was used by Washington as part of the covert operations the US officials have already vowed to conduct inside Iran, was hunted down by an electronic ambush and landed with a minimal degree of damage over the city of Kashmar about 140 miles inside Iran.

Consciously blind to the realities of Washington's abysmal policies, the Western media treated the report with a predilection for suspicion and disbelief and used the somewhat innocuous-sounding term 'reconnaissance drone'. However, when Pentagon later acknowledged the “mysterious loss of a surveillance drone”, they had no choice but to face the truth.

What strikes as bizarrely ridiculous is the fact that Washington has demanded the return of the drone which they have confessed was sent on a secret mission for gathering information.

''We have asked for it back. We'll see how the Iranians respond,'' Mr. Obama has said.

Nonetheless, Iran says that it has no intention of returning the drone and that Washington should compensate Tehran for violating the country's airspace.

Brushing aside the possibility of returning the drone, Chairman of Iran's Majlis National Security and Foreign Policy Commission Alaeddin Boroujerdi said on Tuesday that the White House must face the consequences of violating Iran's airspace.

Washington's insistence on having the drone returned springs from some secret concern over the nature of what the Iranians would glean technologically from the spy drone.

Iranian military experts are reportedly in the final stage of extracting information from the drone. The extracted information will be used to sue the United States, an Iranian official says.

When asked at a White House news conference if he was concerned that Iran could weaken US national security by obtaining intelligence from the downed drone, Obama said, “I'm not going to comment on intelligence matters that are classified."

Without directly referring to the spy drone, Obama had earlier repeated the same old threat that 'all options are on the table in dealing with Iran', saying, “Today Iran is isolated, and the world is unified in applying the toughest sanctions that Iran has ever experienced. They can break that isolation by acting responsibly and forswearing the development of nuclear weapons . . . or they can continue to operate in a fashion that isolates them from the entire world.”

Obama's threatening words against Iran evidently reek of the literature of his predecessor George W. Bush. In fact, he is following in the footsteps of Bush and has metaphorically metamorphosed into the belligerent personality of the latter.

It is manifest that Washington has recently ramped up its espionage activities in Iran.

On May 21, 2011, Iran's Intelligence Ministry arrested an espionage network comprising of 30 individuals who were working for the CIA and another 42 CIA operatives who had links with the network. The CIA-linked network deceived citizens into spying for the agency under the pretext of issuing visas, assisting with US permanent residency, and offering job and study opportunities in American universities.

According to Iran's Intelligence Ministry, the disbanded network was chiefly focused on targeting the country's nuclear plants, energy fields, and sensitive oil and gas centers with the main purpose of sabotaging these areas.

Iranian intelligence officials have learned that the CIA agents had gathered information from universities and scientific research centers in the field of aerospace, defense and biotechnology industries.

Also, on November 24, 2011, Iran arrested another 12 CIA agents who were working with Israel's Mossad and targeted the country's military and nuclear program. Member of the Iranian Majlis National Security and Foreign Policy Commission Parviz Sorouri said that the CIA and Mossad espionage apparatuses were making efforts to damage Iran both from inside and outside and deal a heavy blow with the help of regional intelligence services.

“Fortunately, with the swift reaction of the Iranian intelligence department, their attempts proved abortive,” Sorouri said.

If truth be told, the downing of the spy drone has surely delivered a heavy blow to the intelligence apparatus of the CIA and rustled many feathers in Washington. In an atrociously antagonistic manner, former Vice President Dick Cheney unleashed his anger on President Barack Obama, saying that he should have doubled down on being caught spying with an overt attack on Iran.

“The right response would have been to go in immediately after it had gone down,” Cheney said.

Confusing Iran with Iraq and Afghanistan, he suggested that this could have been done either with a land invasion to recover the lost drone or by bombing the area until the drone was destroyed.

“The right response to that would have been to go in immediately after it had gone down and destroy it. You can do that from the air. You can do that with a quick airstrike, and in effect make it impossible for them to benefit from having captured that drone. I was told that the president had three options on his desk. He rejected all of them. They all involved sending somebody in to try to recover it, or if you can't do that, admittedly that would be a difficult operation, you certainly could have gone in and destroyed it on the ground with an airstrike. But he didn't take any of the options. He asked for them to return it. And they aren't going to do that.”

The fury of poor Mr. Cheney is quite perceptible and pathetic and the predicament of President Obama is not hard to imagine.

However, it would be better if the US officials confessed to the military prowess of Iran instead of attributing the desperate loss of their drone to their President's ineptitude.

The downing of the spy drone is a good sign that Iran is militarily powerful and efficient. However, the secret mission of the drone, which is purported to have been the collection of secret data on the Iranian nuclear sites, consolidates the idea that Washington is more than ever bent on carrying out secret black operations inside Iran and that it is harboring a malicious plan to orchestrate an attack on the Iranian nuclear sites if not an Armageddon in the region.
Ismail Salami:

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Also, on November 24, 2011, Iran arrested another 12 CIA agents who were working with Israel's Mossad and targeted the country's military and nuclear program. Member of the Iranian Majlis National Security and Foreign Policy Commission Parviz Sorouri said that the CIA and Mossad espionage apparatuses were making efforts to damage Iran both from inside and outside and deal a heavy blow with the help of regional intelligence services.

“Fortunately, with the swift reaction of the Iranian intelligence department, their attempts proved abortive,” Sorouri said.

Poor Obama!!

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The chance of USA getting back that drone for Iran seems bleak.

I am sure that China wants it, also the Russian wants it.

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Iran to move enrichment sites if need be
Wed Dec 14, 2011

Head of the Iranian Passive Defense Organization says Iran will move its uranium enrichment sites across the country to safer locations if circumstances necessitates.

“We will move our uranium enrichment centers to more secure locations should conditions require, "Brigadier General Gholam-Reza Jalali told Mehr News Agency on Wednesday.

He added that measures have been taken to make Iran's nuclear infrastructure secure and to increase cyber security in order to deter potential threats.

The senior Iranian commander also dismissed the possibility of an attack on Iran's nuclear sites, saying that if the US and Israel were able to launch such an attack they would have done so by now.

Brigadier General Jalali stressed that the Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant is not in harm's way, as international conventions and protocols prevent any attack on such centers.

He went on to say that any military strike on the Bushehr nuclear power plant would endanger the safety of the Persian Gulf littoral state as it is located near the border region.

The United States and Israel have repeatedly threatened Tehran with the "option" of a military strike, based on the allegation that Iran's nuclear work may consist of a covert military agenda.

Iran has refuted the allegations, saying that as a signatory to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and a member of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), it has the right to develop and acquire nuclear technology for peaceful purposes.

While Israel refuses to allow inspections of its nuclear facilities or to join the NPT based on its policy of nuclear ambiguity, Iran has been subjected to snap IAEA inspections due to its policy of nuclear transparency.

Israel recently test fired a new long-range missile capable of carrying nuclear warheads. The test was carried out at the Palmahim air base in central Israel.

This three-stage Jericho-3 missile, which is capable of delivering a 750-kilo warhead to a distance, is estimated to have a range of up to 10,000 kilometers. Paradoxically, Israel's new nuke-capable missile, which can target many parts of the globe, is not considered a threat in the eyes of the West.

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Did mullah TV hired you to pass on their propaganda?

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Did mullah TV hired you to pass on their propaganda?

I would think that a mixture of news from the East and from the West gives one a fair view of situation.

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TEHRAN (FNA)- US President Obama is hoping that the Iranian government is in a Christmas mood because he has asked Tehran to send him his Christmas present back.

We are still wondering how he shamelessly asked Tehran to give the US back the stealth drone which had violated the Iranian airspace for espionage.

Since Obama asked please and has tried to make nice to Iran what are the chances he (the US) will get his (the US') toy plane back?

A senior commander of Iran's Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) said on Sunday that Iran would not send the drone back.

"This is not only an intelligence victory for us, but a defeat for our enemies," the commander said.

Speaking on Venezuelan television Mahmoud Ahmadinejad bragged Iran had control of the plane and was analysing the aircraft's systems.

"The North Americans at best have decided to give us this spy plane. Currently, we have control of this plane. Those who have been been in control of this spy plane surely will analyse the plane's system. Furthermore, the systems of Iran are so advanced also, like the system of this plane.

"In the unpiloted planes, we have had many advances, much progress and now we have this spy plane," he said.

Even more worrisome, good Iranian friends China and Russia will now have access to this spy plane also.

Hopefully there is a lot of behind the scenes diplomacy at work but most of the damage has been done.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com...k.html#ixzz1gXVrKPSw

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Paraded for the cameras: Iranian Revolutionary Guard's General Amir-Ali Hajizadeh (left) inspects the U.S. RQ-170 drone

Now this toy belongs to Iran, Ayatollah will let China and Russia play with it for a while.

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NOT AGAIN! ANOTHER U.S. SPY DRONE CRASHES - IN SEYCHELLES

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...n.html#ixzz1gXZ84iZ5

The U.S. Embassy in Mauritius said the unmanned U.S. Air Force MQ-9 Reaper was not armed and the crash caused no injuries.

The crash sparked a fire that was quickly extinguished.
Lina Laurence of Seychelles' civilian aviation authority said the drone developed engine problems minutes into its flight and needed to land as soon as possible Tuesday morning.
'But due to its accelerated landing speed, the aircraft was unable to stop before the runway's end,' Laurence said.

The embassy's statement said the cause of the crash is being investigated.
'It has been confirmed that this drone was unarmed and its failure was due to mechanical reasons,' Laurence said.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...n.html#ixzz1gXZf7bpq

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OBAMA WANTS HIS DRONE BACK FROM IRAN



Keeping it: Iran says it will not return the US RQ-170 Sentinel high-altitude reconnaissance drone that crashed in Iran this week

TEHRAN — The high-altitude U.S. stealth drone that Iran claims to have brought down penetrated 250 kilometres inside the Islamic republic’s air space, according to state media.

Known as the Beast of Kandahar, the RQ-170 Sentinel went down in Iran while on a surveillance mission. Iran said it shot the drone down, but the U.S. maintains it crashed due to a malfunction.
In a letter of protest to the United Nations, the government of Iran said “the American RQ-170 spy plane violated 250 kilometres inside Iranian airspace before confronting the reaction of Iran’s armed forces,” the website reported.


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A member of Iran's revolutionary guard pointing at the U.S. RQ-170 unmanned spy plane at an unknown location in Iran.
.“Provocative and secret actions by the American government against the Islamic republic in recent months” have been on the increase, it charged.

It said Tehran had lodged “a strong protest against this violation of international rules by the U.S. government” and warned against any “repetition of such actions.”

Iran called for the United Nations to condemn “this violation,” in the letter addressed to the UN secretary general as well as the presidents of the Security Council and General Assembly.

State television on Thursday aired footage of what it said was the captured drone, showing what appeared to be an RQ-170 Sentinel aircraft with little visible damage. (embedded below)

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Larijani: US must explain drone venture
Thu Dec 15, 2011

Iran's Majlis Speaker Ali Larijani says the United States must be held accountable for venturing on a spy drone flight in Iran's airspace.


“The Americans must offer explanations for the presence of their reconnaissance aircraft within Iranian borders rather than demanding the return of their spy drone from the Islamic Republic,” said Larijani on Wednesday.

“The Americans say their drone entered Iran's airspace by mistake, but we have detailed information about the flight range of this drone,” IRNA quoted Larijani as saying.

Recently, the Iranian Army's electronic warfare unit landed a US RQ-170 Sentinel stealth drone, which was flying over the northeastern Iran city of Kashmar, with minimal damage.

Following the incident, two US officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed that the drone had been part of a CIA espionage operation involving elements of US intelligence community stationed in Afghanistan.

On Monday, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced that Washington has submitted a formal request to Tehran for the return of the spying drone.

This is while US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta insisted on Tuesday that Washington plans to continue the spy drone missions in western Afghanistan

Following the formal US plea, Iran's Defense Minister Brigadier General Ahmad Vahidi made it clear on Tuesday that the US spy drone will remain in the country's possession as part of its national assets.

Tehran insists that the US drone was on a spying mission over Iran which constitutes a “hostile act.” It has therefore lodged an official complaint with the United Nations over the violation of its sovereignty by the American aircraft.

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Originally posted by Dhall:
Alot of technologies would be falling in the hands of the Iranians.

Indeed some of the tech will be reconstituted but most will self destruct. Or need external help to be rebooted. As soon as it is booted it will be located.

I've read a rumor that the drone may have a "computer virus" like the one that crippled their centrifuges some months ago so when they start probing the software a virus sneaks in an infects their entire military computer networks without being noticed.

Jack Burton comments:

I admit that at first glance I thought the Iranian's had built a model for display. Yet the USA is not doing much denial as regards the drone loss. News reports from Russia claim China and Russia have already asked for permission to examine the drone. Either way, it seems clear Iran did acquire the drone and did it by means that ought to worry the US drone operators and designers. If it was programed for a complete flight without resort to control signals, that still means the drone was emitting electronic signals of some sort, this is exactly what the new Russia electronics warfare system that Iran just received was designed to deal with. As I have said before, the US military should not assume that all possible enemies are equipped with outdated or inferior systems. The experience of the US war machine since Vietnam has not presented them with an enemy operating modern weapons systems.

The stealth aircraft lost to Serbian air defenses during the Clinton war on Serbia was brought down with very outdated Soviet era radars and missiles. The success was due mostly to Russia providing Serbia with the proper way to use these systems to get a radar fix on stealth and intelligence from inside NATO air operations gave a key clue as to where and when the aircraft would be over Kosovo. Iran is poorly equipped for air defense against first line US and Israeli air forces, but they are not completely outdated, some of their Russian missiles are capable and Russia has provided some passive and mobile air defense system that the USA has had NO experience of dealing with. Russia learned that it could not compete with the USA in first line fighter and bomber aircraft, as a counter, Russia began under the Soviets to spend their money and talent on AA missiles and radars, along with passive detection systems. It has paid off in Russia being considered to possess AA systems that are fully capable of inflicting a serious loss rate on even the best NATO air assets.

Luckily, Iran has failed to obtain the most modern Russian missiles and radars due to western pressure. Iran can knock down the odd attacker, but mostly they will have to absorb 95% of everything the US and Israel can put up in the air. Maybe even 99%. Only the coming war will provide the extent of Iranian capabilities.

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Despite how we look at this, this is a dangerous situation by allowing this Drone to fall into the hands of Iranians. Obama with his failed economic policies, now his failed military policies.