PPP get back dem mixed voters and Amerindian votas. PPP look like dem will get de majority in 2020. Bharrat and gang will govern like dem always govern. And den de ackshun will start. All ayoo praising Bharrat political guruness should know de man seize de party and so ayoo gat wan self selection bias. Anybody hammering everyday will win against dat incompetent and visionless lot. Ayoo watch and see de action after 2020 when PPP win. Hey hey hey...
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Who will be the Puppet president for 2020? Hey hey hey.....
"Jagdeo thanked supporters who voted for the 3,000 candidates the party fielded and the many people in APNU strongholds who assured the PPP campaigners that they were going to withhold their votes, and which he claimed they did."
https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...at-local-govt-polls/
This is how the PPP will win, pose with the PNC supporters,who will withhold their votes.Indo Guyanese thinks Afro Guyanese are stupid,dunce, animals,and can't run anything,rude awakening for all of them who thinks such.
Ayuh watch and see ,the Indo savior said Presidential Candidate will be selected before LGE, another LIE told by the PUTINSQUE.
Ayuh gone pun Jagdeo again, yun nah get enough licks, that man deh till in Guyana and he ah put licks pun you. Find a new hobby.
I think it is about time AFC supporters on this forum start to emptying their stomachs about the betrayal they have suffered being part of the governing coalition. This is time for redemption. Don't wait for the last minute to say that never agreed with many of the unpopular policies and moves made by the APNU dominated government headed by David Granger. Doing this can reap great dividends and help save the party from becoming another United Force.
The Namakaram Crabdaag said GNI will be scrapped, Rice farmers will get 600 per Bag, He will ensure transparency, be a check to abuse, Sugar Workers will receive raises( The DUMB Jackass had them fires instead) But I guess when yuh head up Gadaha Kakahole, you think the Gadaha is the greatest. Is it the smell that confuse you or the direct contact with the SHIT????
kp posted:Ayuh gone pun Jagdeo again, yun nah get enough licks, that man deh till in Guyana and he ah put licks pun you. Find a new hobby.
Well who are the front runner for the party ? who you want we to talk about ?
Until now i can't see what licks you and him talking about.
How can you see when your head is stuck
PPP look like they did well...this probably is a good indication for 2020.
However, the PPP has to clean up its act and select a leader who can make the PPP into a more open and democratic party...if they intend to manage the nation's oil economy. They, and everyone else, must work on constitutional reforms.
The only thing that won in this election is voter apathy...Guyanese are not enthusiastic....perhaps a THIRD PARTY might do a better job...even if it means holding the majority party feet to the fire.
The Namakaram Crabdaag HAD a 3rd Party. Can you update us on dat????/!!!!!
Overall the people did not vote for candidates who can or will represent their best interests. The vote was along racial lines. Jagdeo shouda run for the Mayoral position in GT.
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One ting is clear dem badminded PNC cyant win wan eleckshun without AFC. AFC still gat 5 seat in dem. How AFC will play dat cyaptical is still to see. PNC kork duck. But me want see what is dem best response strategy now. Dem gat to play rig which not easy. Dem gat to rig BIG, BIG, if AFC pull out. Dat not easy. Hey hey hey...But dem will most likely play dont give up powah. Hey hey hey hey...Me stocking up on meh nachos and queso foh 2020 and after...hey hey hey...
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Guyanese no longer see participation in politics as relevant to their lives. This is especially for the PNC base and for younger people across the board. Its people like yuji who must scream "ahbe pan tap" who still remain fanatics.
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Labba posted:One ting is clear dem badminded PNC cyant win wan eleckshun without AFC.
If the PNC needs the AFC to win they might as well go sit down in the opposition seats. The AFC has lost their base. They barely cracked 10% of the votes in GT, which used to be an important base for them.
caribny posted:Labba posted:One ting is clear dem badminded PNC cyant win wan eleckshun without AFC.
If the PNC needs the AFC to win they might as well go sit down in the opposition seats. The AFC has lost their base. They barely cracked 10% of the votes in GT, which used to be an important base for them.
How does the PNC plan to win without the AFC come 2020?
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Mitwah posted:caribny posted:Labba posted:One ting is clear dem badminded PNC cyant win wan eleckshun without AFC.
If the PNC needs the AFC to win they might as well go sit down in the opposition seats. The AFC has lost their base. They barely cracked 10% of the votes in GT, which used to be an important base for them.
How does the PNC plan to win without the AFC come 2020?
I know that the AFC has no votes to bring. Where are the AFC votes?
Its about time the AFC learns humility and does the work to get a base of their own instead of adopting this entitled mentality.
caribny posted:Mitwah posted:caribny posted:Labba posted:One ting is clear dem badminded PNC cyant win wan eleckshun without AFC.
If the PNC needs the AFC to win they might as well go sit down in the opposition seats. The AFC has lost their base. They barely cracked 10% of the votes in GT, which used to be an important base for them.
How does the PNC plan to win without the AFC come 2020?
I know that the AFC has no votes to bring. Where are the AFC votes?
Its about time the AFC learns humility and does the work to get a base of their own instead of adopting this entitled mentality.
There is no humility. Dem dead but dem shame to shut dem eye.
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PNC better start giving away free stuff to Indos and mixed races if they want win....otherwise they cak duck
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caribny posted:Labba posted:One ting is clear dem badminded PNC cyant win wan eleckshun without AFC.
If the PNC needs the AFC to win they might as well go sit down in the opposition seats. The AFC has lost their base. They barely cracked 10% of the votes in GT, which used to be an important base for them.
Hey hey hey...suh AFC get ZERO number vote yesterday? Hey hey hey...
Mitwah posted:Who will be the Puppet president for 2020? Hey hey hey.....
One thing we definitely know is that it will not be the puppet, lame duck prime minister we currently have. We will have to await the decision of the PPP central committee to determine who will be the presidential,candidate for the PPP.
Learn from history! Jagdeo was referred to as Janet jaganâs puppet until he reminded her publicly that she was just a private citizen.there is lots of talk here on whether Corbin orcGreen pulls Grangerâs string.
Question - if an Afro Guyanese vote for an AfroGuyanese person or party and an Indo- Guyanese votes for for an Indo-Guyanese person or party, who are we to say that it is not in their interest to do so? Do they have a democratic right to vote for who they wish to represent them?
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Labba posted:caribny posted:Labba posted:One ting is clear dem badminded PNC cyant win wan eleckshun without AFC.
If the PNC needs the AFC to win they might as well go sit down in the opposition seats. The AFC has lost their base. They barely cracked 10% of the votes in GT, which used to be an important base for them.
Hey hey hey...suh AFC get ZERO number vote yesterday? Hey hey hey...
Zero, Nada, Zilch, Nuffing, Nuffing and more ah Nuffing.
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Django posted:"Jagdeo thanked supporters who voted for the 3,000 candidates the party fielded and the many people in APNU strongholds who assured the PPP campaigners that they were going to withhold their votes, and which he claimed they did."
https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...at-local-govt-polls/
This is how the PPP will win, pose with the PNC supporters,who will withhold their votes.Indo Guyanese thinks Afro Guyanese are stupid,dunce, animals,and can't run anything,rude awakening for all of them who thinks such.
Ayuh watch and see ,the Indo savior said Presidential Candidate will be selected before LGE, another LIE told by the PUTINSQUE.
Django posted:"Jagdeo thanked supporters who voted for the 3,000 candidates the party fielded and the many people in APNU strongholds who assured the PPP campaigners that they were going to withhold their votes, and which he claimed they did."
https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...at-local-govt-polls/
This is how the PPP will win, pose with the PNC supporters,who will withhold their votes.Indo Guyanese thinks Afro Guyanese are stupid,dunce, animals,and can't run anything,rude awakening for all of them who thinks such.
Ayuh watch and see ,the Indo savior said Presidential Candidate will be selected before LGE, another LIE told by the PUTINSQUE.
Hey wanna be Negro, what are you doing in a white man country insulting collie. What have you done for blacks with yo instrument skills. Every gad dam day you insult coolie man, enough with you old Rass.
The coolie in Guyana see Jagdeo as their saviour, they donât need you.
Credit must be given to Jagdeo for marshalling his troop to victory which you have a problem with.
Every gad dam day you crying about them bicycle politicians, yo behind know how hard they work for their supporters when you pack trap and run to kiss Uncle Sam behind.
A some good patkay you want from them collie back home.
Zed posted:Mitwah posted:Who will be the Puppet president for 2020? Hey hey hey.....
One thing we definitely know is that it will not be the puppet, lame duck prime minister we currently have. We will have to await the decision of the PPP central committee to determine who will be the presidential,candidate for the PPP.
Learn from history! Jagdeo was referred to as Janet jaganâs puppet until he reminded her publicly that she was just a private citizen.there is lots of talk here on whether Corbin orcGreen pulls Grangerâs string.
Me thinks i saw on MOP Website ,he adviser to Granger.
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Labba posted:PPP get back dem mixed voters and Amerindian votas. PPP look like dem will get de majority in 2020. Bharrat and gang will govern like dem always govern. And den de ackshun will start. All ayoo praising Bharrat political guruness should know de man seize de party and so ayoo gat wan self selection bias. Anybody hammering everyday will win against dat incompetent and visionless lot. Ayoo watch and see de action after 2020 when PPP win. Hey hey hey...
amusing to watch you wishing all that into existence
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Zed posted:.there is lots of talk here on whether Corbin orcGreen pulls Grangerâs string.
Officially Robert Corbin is Senior Political Advisor to the President.
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ronan posted:Labba posted:PPP get back dem mixed voters and Amerindian votas. PPP look like dem will get de majority in 2020. Bharrat and gang will govern like dem always govern. And den de ackshun will start. All ayoo praising Bharrat political guruness should know de man seize de party and so ayoo gat wan self selection bias. Anybody hammering everyday will win against dat incompetent and visionless lot. Ayoo watch and see de action after 2020 when PPP win. Hey hey hey...
amusing to watch you wishing all that into existence
Hey hey hey...watchin all de one lovers melt down and eventual gat to tek powah by force. Hey hey hey...
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Labba posted:ronan posted:Labba posted:PPP get back dem mixed voters and Amerindian votas. PPP look like dem will get de majority in 2020. Bharrat and gang will govern like dem always govern. And den de ackshun will start. All ayoo praising Bharrat political guruness should know de man seize de party and so ayoo gat wan self selection bias. Anybody hammering everyday will win against dat incompetent and visionless lot. Ayoo watch and see de action after 2020 when PPP win. Hey hey hey...
amusing to watch you wishing all that into existence
. . . tek powah by force.
like i said . . .
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Zed posted:Question - if an Afro Guyanese vote for an AfroGuyanese person or party and an Indo- Guyanese votes for for an Indo-Guyanese person or party, who are we to say that it is not in their interest to do so? Do they have a democratic right to vote for who they wish to represent them?
...where does the candidate's accomplishments, academic credentials, integrity and other qualifications fit into this one component hubble telescope yuh building hay?
Gilbakka posted:Zed posted:.there is lots of talk here on whether Corbin orcGreen pulls Grangerâs string.
Officially Robert Corbin is Senior Political Advisor to the President.
And he lives in Guyana and does not know this.
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ronan posted:Labba posted:ronan posted:Labba posted:PPP get back dem mixed voters and Amerindian votas. PPP look like dem will get de majority in 2020. Bharrat and gang will govern like dem always govern. And den de ackshun will start. All ayoo praising Bharrat political guruness should know de man seize de party and so ayoo gat wan self selection bias. Anybody hammering everyday will win against dat incompetent and visionless lot. Ayoo watch and see de action after 2020 when PPP win. Hey hey hey...
amusing to watch you wishing all that into existence
. . . tek powah by force.
like i said . . .
...don't forget the shrill screams a couple weeks ago about the "massive" rigging (shout out to ugli man), widespread violence and other "predictions" hay that was going to take place after LGE. Begging for violence and punishment pon oneself is a sign of a sick mind.
Mitwah posted:Gilbakka posted:Zed posted:.there is lots of talk here on whether Corbin orcGreen pulls Grangerâs string.
Officially Robert Corbin is Senior Political Advisor to the President.
And he lives in Guyana and does not know this.
Are you confirming that everyone living in Political Guyana knows that Corbin pulls Grangers strings? Seeing that you are so smart, does the job of the political advisor entail just advising or pulling the strings for the puppet? Get what I am trying to get you to understand?
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Zed posted:Question - if an Afro Guyanese vote for an AfroGuyanese person or party and an Indo- Guyanese votes for for an Indo-Guyanese person or party, who are we to say that it is not in their interest to do so? Do they have a democratic right to vote for who they wish to represent them?
Dem sure get de right to vote how dem see fit. But is de incentive de race ting create after. Hey hey hey...
Iguana posted:Zed posted:Question - if an Afro Guyanese vote for an AfroGuyanese person or party and an Indo- Guyanese votes for for an Indo-Guyanese person or party, who are we to say that it is not in their interest to do so? Do they have a democratic right to vote for who they wish to represent them?
...where does the candidate's accomplishments, academic credentials, integrity and other qualifications fit into this one component hubble telescope yuh building hay?
Regardless of what value the voter gives to each of the factors in his decision making matrix, the question is still- is it not the voters right to vote for who ever he/she wants to represent him/her?
i often wonder whether voters actually vote on the basis of one criteria as is postulated in criticism of ethnic voting in ethnic divided societies. I wonder why in Guyana people like Balran Singh Rai made no headway against the PPP. ALSO, I wonder looking at the American presidential election, what leadership factors voters actually valued.
Corbin is a has been who was once a Jagdeo stooge. The only strings he could be pulling for Granger is if the President wants him to tie his shoe laces. Heâs given a job as an advisor to compensate for his long service to the party. Harmon wields a lot more power than Corbin and Green.
Labba posted:Zed posted:Question - if an Afro Guyanese vote for an AfroGuyanese person or party and an Indo- Guyanese votes for for an Indo-Guyanese person or party, who are we to say that it is not in their interest to do so? Do they have a democratic right to vote for who they wish to represent them?
Dem sure get de right to vote how dem see fit. But is de incentive de race ting create after. Hey hey hey...
I really thought that we were the generation that was going to change the ethnic divide in this country and am disappointed that it is still as strong today as when I was a young boy.
It is obvious that though the standard of living has improved for many, a small group of both major ethnic groups, and a small segment of the Portuguese Gand now new Chinese enjoy the greatest benefits. Is itvs question of complementarity or hegemony?
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Zed posted:Labba posted:Zed posted:Question - if an Afro Guyanese vote for an AfroGuyanese person or party and an Indo- Guyanese votes for for an Indo-Guyanese person or party, who are we to say that it is not in their interest to do so? Do they have a democratic right to vote for who they wish to represent them?
Dem sure get de right to vote how dem see fit. But is de incentive de race ting create after. Hey hey hey...
I really thought that we were the generation that was going to change the ethnic divide in this country and am disappointed that it is still as strong today as when I was a young boy.
It is obvious that though the standard of living has improved for many, a small group of both major ethnic groups, and a small segment of the Portuguese Gand now new Chinese enjoy the greatest benefits. Is itvs question of complementarity or hegemony?
Living standard improve? Change? Hey hey hey...
Mars posted:Corbin is a has been who was once a Jagdeo stooge. The only strings he could be pulling for Granger is if the President wants him to tie his shoe laces. Heâs given a job as an advisor to compensate for his long service to the party. Harmon wields a lot more power than Corbin and Green.
That Corbin was Jagdeoâs stooge is just your narrative. Prove it.
Granger might have been a life long member of the PNC, but it was Corbin who brought him into the leadership race, promoted him and stood by him Against Greenidge and others. Make no mistake, Corbin was respected within the PNC, except maybe for Greene who always hoped to be leader of the PNC and president.
Labba posted:Zed posted:Labba posted:Zed posted:Question - if an Afro Guyanese vote for an AfroGuyanese person or party and an Indo- Guyanese votes for for an Indo-Guyanese person or party, who are we to say that it is not in their interest to do so? Do they have a democratic right to vote for who they wish to represent them?
Dem sure get de right to vote how dem see fit. But is de incentive de race ting create after. Hey hey hey...
I really thought that we were the generation that was going to change the ethnic divide in this country and am disappointed that it is still as strong today as when I was a young boy.
It is obvious that though the standard of living has improved for many, a small group of both major ethnic groups, and a small segment of the Portuguese Gand now new Chinese enjoy the greatest benefits. Is itvs question of complementarity or hegemony?
Living standard improve? Change? Hey hey hey...
Is it your contention that living standards of the average Guyanese did not improve one iota over the ppp era in government?
Zed posted:Mars posted:Corbin is a has been who was once a Jagdeo stooge. The only strings he could be pulling for Granger is if the President wants him to tie his shoe laces. Heâs given a job as an advisor to compensate for his long service to the party. Harmon wields a lot more power than Corbin and Green.
That Corbin was Jagdeoâs stooge is just your narrative. Prove it.
Is that your retort for every post here? Show proof? Show your proof first that Corbin is pulling Grangerâs strings or hush up.
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It's a sad day when we are still celebrating a hollow PPP victory less than 28% turned out and I would suggest that's mostly from the PNC supporters apathy, and apathy in general the AFC have been naive and foolish, people voted for them as a sign of change and yet they towed the PNC line hook line and sinker the exact opposite of what they should have done now they're finished .
Come election time the two said parties who have left us in a social and economic mess since independence will win . With visionless geriatrics on one side and a man who can't run but thinks he's the king without a crown still pulling the strings it's nothing to celebrate .
There is clear room for a 3rd party to hold the balance but that will not be AFC after this showing but they'll need to get moving and if the PNC has any smarts they'd advise Granger to step down (long term health ) and let Volda run
Volda eh?/ I say Chase Green for President
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Ray posted:PNC better start giving away free stuff to Indos and mixed races if they want win....otherwise they cak duck
Giving away stuff to older Indos is a waste. They aren't going to get their vote.
I suspect that you think that most "mixed" people are obvious douglas. It would shock you that most aren't. Take a look at Raphael Trotman and you will see many of these people. Mark Benschop is another one. These men both operate within Afro Guyanese cultural and social contexts.
The PNC has to mobilize the youth vote without regard to race and to the black (inclusive of mixed identified) voters if they plan to win.
Of course if the PNC can rise about racial patronage so much the better but I think that its now too late for that.
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Zed posted:Question - if an Afro Guyanese vote for an AfroGuyanese person or party and an Indo- Guyanese votes for for an Indo-Guyanese person or party, who are we to say that it is not in their interest to do so? Do they have a democratic right to vote for who they wish to represent them?
They do have a democratic right to do this, but seriously how has this blind ethnic patronage worked out for them?
Do you really think that the PPP and the PNC are interested in more than tokenism, given that entrenched attitudes aren't going to move votes as the distrust is now 4, maybe 5 generations deep?
The AFC had promise when they came in the scene in 2005 but they proved to be ineffective and were never really able to develop their own base. They remained a protest vote.
In 2006 GT and New Amsterdam middle class blacks and mixed people voted for them when they were frustrated with Corbin. In 2011 they got a Berbice vote as Nagamootoo brought in some PPP supporters, together with some of their 2006 supporters. In 2015 they got a largely cross ethnic urban base of people who naively thought that the days of ethnic patronage were over.
AFC Indos in Berbice ran back to the PPP in 2015 and its clear that AFC Indos in GT just ran back in this past election as the AFC exposed its weakness. I am not sure where the urban middle class blacks/mixed who supported the AFC in times past have gone to.
It will be interesting to get an age demographic as to who voted. I bet its the hard core middle aged and elderly loyalists on both sides.
Mars posted:Zed posted:Mars posted:Corbin is a has been who was once a Jagdeo stooge. The only strings he could be pulling for Granger is if the President wants him to tie his shoe laces. Heâs given a job as an advisor to compensate for his long service to the party. Harmon wields a lot more power than Corbin and Green.
That Corbin was Jagdeoâs stooge is just your narrative. Prove it.
Is that your retort for every post here? Show proof? Show your proof first that Corbin is pulling Grangerâs strings or hush up.
Release reread and UNDERSTAND my original post.
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Mitwah posted:Overall the people did not vote for candidates who can or will represent their best interests. The vote was along racial lines. Jagdeo shouda run for the Mayoral position in GT.
He would never be that stupid. Losing to some APNU nonentity (the current mayor) isn't to his liking. The PPP got only 25% of the GT vote, this they try to hide with their fake news screams. Most of the councilors are APNU and they would sooner vote for a dog than for Jagdeo.
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Dave posted:The coolie in Guyana see Jagdeo as their saviour, they donât need you.
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Even if the PPP wins in 2020 (quite likely given that PNC supporters are even angrier with Granger than they were with Corbin) with Indians now falling to under 40% of the adult population how will they govern Guyana if others feel excluded? And increasingly these "restless" will be outside of the PNC control.
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Zed posted:Mars posted:Corbin is a has been who was once a Jagdeo stooge. The only strings he could be pulling for Granger is if the President wants him to tie his shoe laces. Heâs given a job as an advisor to compensate for his long service to the party. Harmon wields a lot more power than Corbin and Green.
That Corbin was Jagdeoâs stooge is just your narrative. Prove it.
When it appeared as if elements of the PNC wanted to dump Corbin Jagdeo began to wail that they shouldn't.
Now why would Jagdeo care about Corbin remaining in charge of the PNC unless he felt that he had some control over him? The narrative of Corbin being Jagdeo's stooge explains the poor performance of the PNC in 2006 when many grass roots blacks stayed home and the more elite jumped to the AFC.
Unless the PNC does something different I expect 2020 to be a repeat performance. It will be interesting to see how the PNC elites behave if they fear being reduced to powerless and impoverished peons as they were during the PPP rule. This after tasting the largesse that comes with power.
Mo Fiah Slo Fiah if PPP wins, right?? Hard core deh right here not the older Guyanese!!!!
The election done the results are in? The people in Guyana made their choice you in NA move on with your boring life stop looking for excitement on the poor souls in Guyana. Get a life.
Zed posted:Mars posted:Zed posted:Mars posted:Corbin is a has been who was once a Jagdeo stooge. The only strings he could be pulling for Granger is if the President wants him to tie his shoe laces. Heâs given a job as an advisor to compensate for his long service to the party. Harmon wields a lot more power than Corbin and Green.
That Corbin was Jagdeoâs stooge is just your narrative. Prove it.
Is that your retort for every post here? Show proof? Show your proof first that Corbin is pulling Grangerâs strings or hush up.
Release reread and UNDERSTAND my original post.
Apparently, you think that anyone who has opinions contrary to yours, should âshow proofâ to support those opinions. You always require proof or evidence. Well, letâs see if you can live up to the standards that you demand of others or youâre just another hypocrite blowing hot air.
Show proof that Granger is Corbinâs puppet as you stated previously.
A small elite has been the main beneficiaries of the ethnic voting under both the PNC and POP. The racial divide has been used to bring the masses into the scene, but they generally are window dressing.
from what I hear here, it seems as if the AFC cannot redeem themselves. Very few now trust any attempt at a third alternative to the two major parties.
The PPP should be worried because of the low turnout, they have been stressing the importance of the LGE to their supporters. But they have not turned out in huge numbers. Many PNC supporters seem disenchanted with the broken promises of the coalition and have decided to stay home instead if voting aagainst the PNC. Interesting time ahead, we will get a clearer picture as time goes by.
Mars posted:Zed posted:Mars posted:Zed posted:Mars posted:Corbin is a has been who was once a Jagdeo stooge. The only strings he could be pulling for Granger is if the President wants him to tie his shoe laces. Heâs given a job as an advisor to compensate for his long service to the party. Harmon wields a lot more power than Corbin and Green.
That Corbin was Jagdeoâs stooge is just your narrative. Prove it.
Is that your retort for every post here? Show proof? Show your proof first that Corbin is pulling Grangerâs strings or hush up.
Release reread and UNDERSTAND my original post.
Apparently, you think that anyone who has opinions contrary to yours, should âshow proofâ to support those opinions. You always require proof or evidence. Well, letâs see if you can live up to the standards that you demand of others or youâre just another hypocrite blowing hot air.
Show proof that Granger is Corbinâs puppet as you stated previously.
Please reread and UNDERsTAND my original comment!!
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Zed posted:Interesting time ahead, we will get a clearer picture as time goes by.
A lot will depend on how the PNC responds to being snubbed by its base. Losing to the PPP in the Buxton/Foulis area should be a warning as to what happens when its base stays home. I am not sure what the ethnic composition of this NDC is. If its more than just Buxton then there may be more Indians than people might think.
Zed posted:Please reread and UNDERsTAND my original comment!!
I understand exactly what you said.
You demanded proof and evidence from posters here many times. The one time that you're asked to live up to the demands you made of others, you can't even provide a smidgen of proof. Reeks of hypocrisy to me.
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caribny posted:.Even if the PPP wins in 2020 (quite likely given that PNC supporters are even angrier with Granger than they were with Corbin) with Indians now falling to under 40% of the adult population how will they govern Guyana if others feel excluded? And increasingly these "restless" will be outside of the PNC control.
simply not true . . . about Granger/Corbin that is
further . . . your last sentence feeds into recent PPP ahistoricism of a banal but particularly malignant type
not sure what these kinds of âthreatsâ are supposed to achieve
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ronan posted:caribny posted:Dave posted:The coolie in Guyana see Jagdeo as their saviour, they donât need you.
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Even if the PPP wins in 2020 (quite likely given that PNC supporters are even angrier with Granger than they were with Corbin) with Indians now falling to under 40% of the adult population how will they govern Guyana if others feel excluded? And increasingly these "restless" will be outside of the PNC control.
simply not true . . . about Corbin that is
further . . . your last sentence is feeding recent PPP ahistoricism of a banal and malignant type
not sure what these kinds of âthreatsâ are supposed to achieve
It is a known fact that if a restive population doesn't feel represented by the system then other methods are available. The election of Trump is an example. He has hijacked the GOP and created a major problem globally.
So maybe some Guyanese rabble rouser might stir up the disaffected as Trump did in the USA, Bolsonaro in Brazil and Le Pen almost did in France. I don't know that anyone wants this. Fed up with the PNC and hostile to the PPP who knows what might happen. I do know that a large and alienated segment of the population bodes ill for any society.
The disaffection of the PNC base with Corbin is a fact and the evidence is its dismal performance in 2006. The results are there for you to see. Compare the PNC performance in 2001, 2006 and 2011. It is quite clear that something bad for the PNC occurred in 2006.
Also compare voter turnout in Region 10 in 2001, 2006 and 2010. %Region 10 is the most thoroughly PNC dominated area so offers a clearer perspective of how the PNC grass roots feel about the party.
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caribny posted:ronan posted:caribny posted:Dave posted:The coolie in Guyana see Jagdeo as their saviour, they donât need you.
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Even if the PPP wins in 2020 (quite likely given that PNC supporters are even angrier with Granger than they were with Corbin) with Indians now falling to under 40% of the adult population how will they govern Guyana if others feel excluded? And increasingly these "restless" will be outside of the PNC control.
simply not true . . . about Corbin that is
further . . . your last sentence is feeding recent PPP ahistoricism of a banal and malignant type
not sure what these kinds of âthreatsâ are supposed to achieve
It is a known fact that if a restive population doesn't feel represented by the system then other methods are available. The election of Trump is an example. He has hijacked the GOP and created a major problem globally.
So maybe some Guyanese rabble rouser might stir up the disaffected as Trump did in the USA, Bolsonaro in Brazil and Le Pen almost did in France. I don't know that anyone wants this. Fed up with the PNC and hostile to the PPP who knows what might happen. I do know that a large and alienated segment of the population bodes ill for any society.
The disaffection of the PNC base with Corbin is a fact and the evidence is its dismal performance in 2006. The results are there for you to see. Compare the PNC performance in 2001, 2006 and 2011. It is quite clear that something bad for the PNC occurred in 2006.
Also compare voter turnout in Region 10 in 2001, 2006 and 2010. %Region 10 is the most thoroughly PNC dominated area so offers a clearer perspective of how the PNC grass roots feel about the party.
2 things:
my reference to Corbin points to the inauthenticity of your comparison to Granger . . . so you tilt at nothing
the rest of your âresponseâ is basically a bunch of random non-sequiturs
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ronan posted:.2 things:
my reference to Corbin points to the inauthenticity of your comparison to Granger . . . so you tilt at nothing
the rest of your âresponseâ is basically a bunch of random non-sequiturs
I should think that the PPP winning Foulis-Buxton suggests that something is amiss within the PNC base. They don't seem enthused with Granger, so many stayed home, allowing Jagdeo to grab some seats in that NDC.
Regardless as to what you might think of Granger it is clear that much of the PNC base don't think much of him.
As to the rest that you dismiss. Yes in 2016 I warned people of the possibility of a Trump victory, given the alienation of both the white and the black working class, especially in the Midwest. Well Trump grabbed some white working class who voted for Obama in prior elections (so clearly not racists) and many of the black working class stayed home. His win in Wisconsin and Michigan can be explained by voter collapse in Milwaukee and Detroit.
Maybe you think that Trump's win was an accident. No it was the result of restive people tired of the usual parties, so they selected an alternate. A rabble rouser who fed on their emotional vulnerabilities. Do not think that this scenario isn't possible in Guyana as I would urge you to look over the border at Brazil where similar problems exist. Crime, corruption, venal political elites and a very alienated population.
But maybe you like Trump and Bolsonaro so don't think that their victories are a tragic indication of the sickness of the political systems in both countries, and the degree that a sizeable part of the electorate were so alienated that they fell for destructive rabble rousers.
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caribny posted:ronan posted:.2 things:
my reference to Corbin points to the inauthenticity of your comparison to Granger . . . so you tilt at nothing
the rest of your âresponseâ is basically a bunch of random non-sequiturs
I should think that the PPP winning Foulis-Buxton suggests that something is amiss within the PNC base. They don't seem enthused with Granger, so many stayed home, allowing Jagdeo to grab some seats in that NDC.
Regardless as to what you might think of Granger it is clear that much of the PNC base don't think much of him.
As to the rest that you dismiss. Yes in 2016 I warned people of the possibility of a Trump victory, given the alienation of both the white and the black working class, especially in the Midwest. Well Trump grabbed some white working class who voted for Obama in prior elections (so clearly not racists) and many of the black working class stayed home. His win in Wisconsin and Michigan can be explained by voter collapse in Milwaukee and Detroit.
Maybe you think that Trump's win was an accident. No it was the result of restive people tired of the usual parties, so they selected an alternate. A rabble rouser who fed on their emotional vulnerabilities. Do not think that this scenario isn't possible in Guyana as I would urge you to look over the border at Brazil where similar problems exist. Crime, corruption, venal political elites and a very alienated population.
But maybe you like Trump and Bolsonaro so don't think that their victories are a tragic indication of the sickness of the political systems in both countries, and the degree that a sizeable part of the electorate were so alienated that they fell for destructive rabble rousers.
your rambling all over the place about Trump and Bolsonaro does you no credit
and stop trying to peddle the crap that i am some kind of Granger fanboy
for now, it suffices to say that your predictions of Guyana Elections 2015 were waaay WRONG! . . . so much for your attempt to rewrite history
smh
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ronan posted:your rambling all over the place about Trump and Bolsonaro does you no credit
D2 said the same when I warned him that a Midwest surprise might occur.
You are entitled to your opinions and can take your time to explain why the PPP won Foulis-Buxton NDC.
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ronan posted:for now, it suffices to say that your predictions of Guyana Elections 2015 were waaay WRONG!
stop trying to rewrite history
And my predictions that Nagamootoo and Ramjattan would be sidelined by Granger and Trotman? Hmmm. It happened soon after I forecasted it and I didn't have anything to do with that.
And now we see the consequences of this.
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caribny posted:ronan posted:your rambling all over the place about Trump and Bolsonaro does you no credit
D2 said the same when I warned him that a Midwest surprise might occur.
You are entitled to your opinions and can take your time to explain why the PPP won Foulis-Buxton NDC.
i am NOT the one having a discussion with you about Trump and Bolsonaro
focus banna
i make it a point to say little to nothing here about politics outside of Guyana because there is precious little âpoliticsâ on GNI . . . itâs mostly race, racism and battyshaking
so now, Foulis-Buxton NDC was won by the PPP . . . what on earth does that have to do with your irresponsible and reality-challenged polemic?
smh
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ronan posted:i am NOT the one having a discussion with you about Trump and Bolsonaro
The notion of a Buxton run by the PPP is a PNC nightmare and you know this.
Now why did that happen? Answers not that different from why Trump and Bolsonaro won.
But please proceed by thinking that launching personal attacks on me diverts from these realities. My skin is quite thick having been subjected to some of the worse insults since coming to GNI. Sometimes under attack from the entire board.
So redirect your response to PPP Buxton and what that says about Granger and the PNC.
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caribny posted:ronan posted:i am NOT the one having a discussion with you about Trump and Bolsonaro
The notion of a Buxton run by the PPP is a PNC nightmare and you know this.
Now why did that happen? Answers not that different from why Trump and Bolsonaro won.
But please proceed by thinking that launching personal attacks on me diverts from these realities. My skin is quite thick having been subjected to some of the worse insults since coming to GNI. Sometimes under attack from the entire board.
So redirect your response to PPP Buxton and what that says about Granger and the PNC.
first . . . âBuxtonâ will not be ârun by the PPPâ
that the NDC was narrowly lost by APNU is political malpractice by PNC, yes
but i fail to see what exactly is this ânightmareâ you yammering about . . . drama queen much?
and please point to the âpersonal attacksâ i âlaunchedâ on you (heretofore)
you are a LIAR sir
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ronan posted:first . . . âBuxtonâ will not be ârun by the PPPâ
OK so the PPP will win in 2020 because if they get more votes in that area than did the PNC where will the PNC find support? Rose Hall!
But you can ignore the implications of this.
Mars posted:Zed posted:Please reread and UNDERsTAND my original comment!!
I understand exactly what you said.
You demanded proof and evidence from posters here many times. The one time that you're asked to live up to the demands you made of others, you can't even provide a smidgen of proof. Reeks of hypocrisy to me.
Please reread and UNDERSTAND my original comment!!if you need help. Please let me know which part you do not understand!
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caribny posted:ronan posted:first . . . âBuxtonâ will not be ârun by the PPPâ
OK so the PPP will win in 2020 because if they get more votes in that area than did the PNC where will the PNC find support? Rose Hall!
But you can ignore the implications of this.
like i said. . . . drama queen
please revisit your 2015 âpredictionsâ then tek a seat
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ronan posted:like i said. . . . drama queen
please revisit your 2015 âpredictionsâ then tek a seat
In 2015 there was a belief that the AFC had a support base, that when added to that of the PNC, allowed the coalition to beat the PPP.
Now it is seen that the AFC has no base. Please be the only person on this planet who argues that they still do.
I do remember D2 arguing with me even on election day 2016 and we all know what happened that night when Trump won.
I don't join sides so I will not blindly support those on a sinking ship. The PNC is in serious trouble and the AFC cannot help them in 2020. In the eyes of Guyanese the PNC is as much the Coalition gov't as it is APNU and the AFC have now been reduced to becoming the WPA.
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caribny posted:ronan posted:like i said. . . . drama queen
please revisit your 2015 âpredictionsâ then tek a seat
In 2015 there was a belief that the AFC had a support base, that when added to that of the PNC, allowed the coalition to beat the PPP.
Now it is seen that the AFC has no base. Please be the only person on this planet who argues that they still do.
I do remember D2 arguing with me even on election day 2016 and we all know what happened that night when Trump won.
I don't join sides so I will not blindly support those on a sinking ship. The PNC is in serious trouble and the AFC cannot help them in 2020. In the eyes of Guyanese the PNC is as much the Coalition gov't as it is APNU and the AFC have now been reduced to becoming the WPA.
the coalition won in spite of wannabe Cassandras like you in 2015
remember?
thatâs what i am talking about
Zed posted:Mars posted:Zed posted:Please reread and UNDERsTAND my original comment!!
I understand exactly what you said.
You demanded proof and evidence from posters here many times. The one time that you're asked to live up to the demands you made of others, you can't even provide a smidgen of proof. Reeks of hypocrisy to me.
Please reread and UNDERSTAND my original comment!!if you need help. Please let me know which part you do not understand!
Come on Zed...prove it.
Like I will tell you what I have told Mars, please read and understand what I have posted in my original post.
cain posted:Come on Zed...prove it.
I am still waiting for him to prove his definitive statement that Corbin was Jagdeoâs stooge. He is trying to divert from this request when I made no definitive statement. But only noted what was being said around in Guyana,
Zed posted:cain posted:Come on Zed...prove it.
I am still waiting for him to prove his definitive statement that Corbin was Jagdeoâs stooge. He is trying to divert from this request when I made no definitive statement. But only noted what was being said around in Guyana,
What I said was also an opinion being shared around Guyana, Knucklehead. Using your own standards, show us the proof that Granger is Corbinâs stooge. Put up or shut up.
Zed posted:Interesting time ahead, we will get a clearer picture as time goes by.
Thank You, Captain Obvious. Like you trying to tek away D_G wuk now.
Dougla_80 posted:It's a sad day when we are still celebrating a hollow PPP victory less than 28% turned out and I would suggest that's mostly from the PNC supporters apathy, and apathy in general the AFC have been naive and foolish, people voted for them as a sign of change and yet they towed the PNC line hook line and sinker the exact opposite of what they should have done now they're finished .
Come election time the two said parties who have left us in a social and economic mess since independence will win . With visionless geriatrics on one side and a man who can't run but thinks he's the king without a crown still pulling the strings it's nothing to celebrate .
There is clear room for a 3rd party to hold the balance but that will not be AFC after this showing but they'll need to get moving and if the PNC has any smarts they'd advise Granger to step down (long term health ) and let Volda run
Itâs a feel good factor. Everyone seemed downtrodden, bridge get tek way, sheer shyte. Then came LGE!! PPP even beat dem rass in freedom fighterville, Buxton. Even Caribj celebrating wid abie. Crystal for glass beads!!
Now abie pon tapp again!!
Baseman posted:Then came LGE!! PPP even beat dem rass in freedom fighterville, Buxton.
Don't run with the lie, the PPP didn't get no vote from Buxton.
See attachment of Buxton/Foulis NDC.
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Django posted:Baseman posted:Then came LGE!! PPP even beat dem rass in freedom fighterville, Buxton.
Don't run with the lie, the PPP didn't get no vote from Buxton.
See attachment of Buxton/Foulis NDC.
LOL!! are you fo real. Stop live in denial Django.
This shock is too much for you.. eh.
Dave posted:Django posted:Baseman posted:Then came LGE!! PPP even beat dem rass in freedom fighterville, Buxton.
Don't run with the lie, the PPP didn't get no vote from Buxton.
See attachment of Buxton/Foulis NDC.
LOL!! are you fo real. Stop live in denial Django.
This shock is too much for you.. eh.
Dude where is the shock ? what's the ethnic population density of the NDC ? what's the voters turn out ?
Mars posted:Zed posted:cain posted:Come on Zed...prove it.
I am still waiting for him to prove his definitive statement that Corbin was Jagdeoâs stooge. He is trying to divert from this request when I made no definitive statement. But only noted what was being said around in Guyana,
What I said was also an opinion being shared around Guyana, Knucklehead. Using your own standards, show us the proof that Granger is Corbinâs stooge. Put up or shut up.
I thought you were a smart man, but it is obvious I need to revise that opinion. First, you still need to reread and understand what I wrote, second, you made a definitive statement. Unlike me, you did not state that it was being said around here you said it like it was gospel! Trying to get out out of it now? Ok. I will give you a pass!
Mars posted:Zed posted:Interesting time ahead, we will get a clearer picture as time goes by.
Thank You, Captain Obvious. Like you trying to tek away D_G wuk now.
Was this the only thing I wrote in my post? But you still smarting from your failure to prove that Corbin was Jagdeoâs puppet.
Zed posted:Mars posted:Zed posted:cain posted:Come on Zed...prove it.
I am still waiting for him to prove his definitive statement that Corbin was Jagdeoâs stooge. He is trying to divert from this request when I made no definitive statement. But only noted what was being said around in Guyana,
What I said was also an opinion being shared around Guyana, Knucklehead. Using your own standards, show us the proof that Granger is Corbinâs stooge. Put up or shut up.
I thought you were a smart man, but it is obvious I need to revise that opinion. First, you still need to reread and understand what I wrote, second, you made a definitive statement. Unlike me, you did not state that it was being said around here you said it like it was gospel! Trying to get out out of it now? Ok. I will give you a pass!
Do I really have to begin every sentence by stating "It is said around here"? What are we, going back to kindergarten now? I can extract every definitive statement that you make and demand proof but that would be childish. But if you want to play that game, practice what you preach and show us the evidence.
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Django posted:Dave posted:Django posted:Baseman posted:Then came LGE!! PPP even beat dem rass in freedom fighterville, Buxton.
Don't run with the lie, the PPP didn't get no vote from Buxton.
See attachment of Buxton/Foulis NDC.
LOL!! are you fo real. Stop live in denial Django.
This shock is too much for you.. eh.
Dude where is the shock ? what's the ethnic population density of the NDC ? what's the voters turn out ?
Ethnic population density â .. ask GECOM.
Foulis/ Buxton .. Bachelor Adventure, Paradise and Melanie Damishana.. predominately Afro is just 3 village that comes under this NDC.
You are the only one questioning this win ..WHY
its a good sign if Guyanese looks beyond race, itâs time arenât you happy.
1.APNU did not issue a statement.
2. The main stream media broadcast and print PPP win Buxton.
Now donât loss sleep over this!! Guyanese electorate make their choice. Letâs hope the Regional Office #4 continue to spend in this neighbourhood.
Zed posted:Mars posted:Zed posted:Interesting time ahead, we will get a clearer picture as time goes by.
Thank You, Captain Obvious. Like you trying to tek away D_G wuk now.
Was this the only thing I wrote in my post? But you still smarting from your failure to prove that Corbin was Jagdeoâs puppet.
Show proof that there are interesting times ahead and the picture will get clearer as time goes by.
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Hey Django, can you show proof how they vote by ethnicity ð
Dave posted:Hey Django, can you show proof how they vote by ethnicity ð
That's too deep for you to comprehend, statsistics can give results.
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Dave posted:Hey Django, can you show proof how they vote by ethnicity ð
Dave you fish up DJ. I threw a big parry for the AFC loss, still celebrating.
The AFC was hiding under Grangers skirt. He was very generous and kind to them. Now that they have proven that they are worthless, Congress Place will be forced to get out the knives and forks.
The PNC has to question themselves as to the lack of turnout by their support base.
So far only Carib G is making sense here. The rest of the GNI PNC clan is just making noise. Afro Guyanese just do not turn out to vote when they are angry at their party and right now they are angry and dissatisfied with PNC. It is for the PNC to deal with a serious problem.
Hey Dave, can you show proof that the vote was not by ethnicity, especially the Foulis/ Buxton poll?
yuji22 posted:Dave posted:Hey Django, can you show proof how they vote by ethnicity ð
Dave you fish up DJ.
Where is the fishup ? follow my discussion with him.
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I Django posted:Dave posted:Hey Django, can you show proof how they vote by ethnicity ð
That's too deep for you to comprehend, statsistics can give results.
Dumb answer.
When I asked about proof, I was trying to be funny, (seeing Zed and Mars debating about proof )
anyhow, put all those screws in place, service calls are expensive lol. Have a good day bro:
yuji22 posted:Dave posted:Hey Django, can you show proof how they vote by ethnicity ð
Dave you fish up DJ.
You are an idiot.
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Hey DJ,
You still with your Mad Man political discourse ?
You were beating your chest and proclaiming this the AFC was a threat to PPP and PNC. The reality is the the AFC is a danger to themselves and society.
yuji22 posted:Hey DJ,
You still with your Mad Man political discourse ?
You were beating your chest and proclaiming this the AFC was a threat to PPP and PNC. The reality is the the AFC is a danger to themselves and society.
Re-read the tripe you writes, looks the same of few posters on GNI.
Django posted:Baseman posted:Then came LGE!! PPP even beat dem rass in freedom fighterville, Buxton.
Don't run with the lie, the PPP didn't get no vote from Buxton.
See attachment of Buxton/Foulis NDC.
Ok. Me tek Bibi word for it. She started reporting at 3am me thinks. And me know she gah good sources!!
Django posted:yuji22 posted:Hey DJ,
You still with your Mad Man political discourse ?
You were beating your chest and proclaiming this the AFC was a threat to PPP and PNC. The reality is the the AFC is a danger to themselves and society.
Re-read the tripe you writes, looks the same of few posters on GNI.
I don't think you need to respond to his idiotic posts. He is DHA deficient from his birth.
Mitwah posted:yuji22 posted:Dave posted:Hey Django, can you show proof how they vote by ethnicity ð
Dave you fish up DJ.
You are an idiot.
Can't you express yourself without calling people ass and idiot, you sound just as bad.
kp posted:Mitwah posted:yuji22 posted:Dave posted:Hey Django, can you show proof how they vote by ethnicity ð
Dave you fish up DJ.
You are an idiot.
Can't you express yourself without calling people ass and idiot, you sound just as bad.
Do you agree with his post?
Mitwah posted:kp posted:Mitwah posted:yuji22 posted:Dave posted:Hey Django, can you show proof how they vote by ethnicity ð
Dave you fish up DJ.
You are an idiot.
Can't you express yourself without calling people ass and idiot, you sound just as bad.
Do you agree with his post?
You are only giving credit to his post when you reply and a negative reply makes you look bad/ stupid _____.
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