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A beautiful pop singer who defied the Taliban's decree against music and dancing was shot dead after she left a beauty salon last night.

Pakistani star Ghazala Javed, 24, was shot after a motorcyclist opened fire on a car she was in with her father, who was also killed.

Police said that one of the suspects is her ex-husband, who she reportedly asked for a divorce after finding out he had at least one other wife.

Well-known: Ms Javed's music was popular with young, progressive ethnic Pashtuns in northwest Pakistan

 
Fraught relationship: Ms Javed's sister has blamed her husband for the attack by a mystery man on a motorbike, who sprayed a car with bullets and killed the singer and her father

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...n.html#ixzz1yFQJmEDk

 

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Originally Posted by TI:
That's a very pretty girl. Who says that the Taliban shot her? Men on a whole in Pakistan treat women like dirt.

Plus I clearly remember no one cared about the Indian actress who was beheaded a few months ago by two of her co-stars. If they cared, they certainly did not express it here. What I do here is point out peoples' bias.

 

However, she is indeed beautiful and her life was wasted by idiots.

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by TI:
That's a very pretty girl. Who says that the Taliban shot her? Men on a whole in Pakistan treat women like dirt.

Plus I clearly remember no one cared about the Indian actress who was beheaded a few months ago by two of her co-stars. If they cared, they certainly did not express it here. What I do here is point out peoples' bias.

 

However, she is indeed beautiful and her life was wasted by idiots.

I think the difference here is the Indian actress was kidnapped for ransom and greediness and this pretty girl here was killed  because she defied the norm. Not that no one cared for the Indian....just saying

 

I can be wrong

FM
Originally Posted by Riya:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by TI:
That's a very pretty girl. Who says that the Taliban shot her? Men on a whole in Pakistan treat women like dirt.

Plus I clearly remember no one cared about the Indian actress who was beheaded a few months ago by two of her co-stars. If they cared, they certainly did not express it here. What I do here is point out peoples' bias.

 

However, she is indeed beautiful and her life was wasted by idiots.

I think the difference here is the Indian actress was kidnapped for ransom and greediness and this pretty girl here was killed  because she defied the norm. Not that no one cared for the Indian....just saying

 

I can be wrong

I never understand why people think that either a victim of murder or their loved ones care why someone would murder them. No particular reason over another alters the fact that someone was murdered.

 

But if I may indulge myself, the beheading of someone is far more gruesome than shooting someone from afar.

 

And there was almost no reaction to that murder.

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by TI:
That's a very pretty girl. Who says that the Taliban shot her? Men on a whole in Pakistan treat women like dirt.

Plus I clearly remember no one cared about the Indian actress who was beheaded a few months ago by two of her co-stars. If they cared, they certainly did not express it here. What I do here is point out peoples' bias.

 

However, she is indeed beautiful and her life was wasted by idiots.

if no one cared, it would not have been posted and commented on here....

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by raymond:
 

if no one cared, it would not have been posted and commented on here....

Got about 3 total comments and that included the original post. Now how does that compare to the other topics where people 'really cared'?


There were only 4 comments until you started in with your usual comparisons which would now lead to more comments...maybe you shouldn't comment because your objective is merely to compare topics and try to find a way to work in the victimization quotient vs just saying that it is a terrible situation

FM
Originally Posted by raymond:
 


There were only 4 comments until you started in with your usual comparisons which would now lead to more comments...maybe you shouldn't comment because your objective is merely to compare topics and try to find a way to work in the victimization quotient vs just saying that it is a terrible situation

There is nothing harmless about hate. You may classify my objection as victimization. I prefer to see it as prudence. My post on this thread came after other comments that did not enter the discussion on the other topic for which I find note-worthy.

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by raymond:
 


There were only 4 comments until you started in with your usual comparisons which would now lead to more comments...maybe you shouldn't comment because your objective is merely to compare topics and try to find a way to work in the victimization quotient vs just saying that it is a terrible situation

There is nothing harmless about hate. You may classify my objection as victimization. I prefer to see it as prudence. My post on this thread came after other comments that did not enter the discussion on the other topic for which I find note-worthy.

maybe they had the day off

FM

Police said that one of the suspects is her ex-husband, who she reportedly asked for a divorce after finding out he had at least one other wife.

 

 

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Pathetic.  She is indeed a beauty.  RIP. Pakistan is like the wild wild west, my daughter's best friend is from there and is dying to go visit. Her parents went to Europe instead fearing the danger in Pakistan.

alena06
Originally Posted by alena06:

Police said that one of the suspects is her ex-husband, who she reportedly asked for a divorce after finding out he had at least one other wife.

 

 

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Pathetic.  She is indeed a beauty.  RIP. Pakistan is like the wild wild west, my daughter's best friend is from there and is dying to go visit. Her parents went to Europe instead fearing the danger in Pakistan.

Nice choice of words alena hehehe

cain

                                                             Bollywood Revisited

          It was the most horrible of crimes. A Bollywood actress Meenakshi Thapar was strangled and beheaded. The motive was apparently money. But the reasons are much deeper. Some observers have argued that India is obsessed with wealth and status and Bollywood has come to symbolize greed and the desire to get rich fast. The murder of another Bollywood aspirant Karan Kakkad is seen as the society’s failure to deal with the industry’s subculture that stresses the quick path to riches.

      Is Bollywood trying to outdo Hollywood?  There is the feeling that that it has indeed outdone Hollywood with its share of violence, nudity and corrupt practices. The Bollywood script is no longer clean and wholesome. Gone are the days when you could sit with the children in the living room and indulge in unbridled fantasy. These days a good many movies from Bollywood need an ‘R’ rating. For the viewing public the music videos too are a mishmash of sex and vulgarity with little noteworthy content.

      Bollywood, with a few exceptions, appear to be on a downhill slope with bad scripts, terrible acting and the same predictable endings. Bollywood seldom leave a message with beautiful story lines and songs that never grew old. The argument by some Bollywood producers is that the industry is giving the viewers what they want in keeping with the signs of the times. While we cannot live in the past we can least demand that the movies are clean and that the songs have a melody or two.

    The thousands of movies churned out by Bollywood are too easily scripted. The hero or heroine is usually poor and meets someone who may be well-off. They fall in love and then conflict arises that threaten the relationship. There is a period of happiness and songs and dances follow. Then there is a cooling off of relations as parents get in the way. In the end the villain is defeated, the parents see the light and boy and girl are united and live ever happily after.

     If you are looking for social themes with great acting minus the song and dance then Satyajit Ray’s ‘The Chess Players’ maybe the answer but in the land of escapism few really want to figure out the themes in Ray’s classics. The Bollywood formula worked well in the old days and made Raj Kapoor a hero in Russia. In the Caribbean too the Hindi cinema left lasting memories. Since the songs were played on the radio people connected them to scenes in the movies and this became a talking point for days.

    When ‘Choti Bahen’ was shown in Guyana the story between brother and sister was repeated in nearly every family that saw the movie. The same could be said for ‘Dosti’ and the importance of friendship. The radio comprised powerful personalities that did not only play the songs but gave their own interpretations of the movies. Ayub Hamid in Guyana, Moen Mohamed in Trinidad and the announcers on Radio Radika in Surinam were influential in their own ways.

     In the forties there were two actors that dominated Hindi cinema although one was to have his career cut short by alcohol. K.L Saigal and Dilip Kumar were the undoubted kings of the screen. Saigal was an actor who sang his own songs in the movies. In the movie ‘Shah Jahan’ his teaming up with music director Naushad produced the immortal song ‘Jab dil he toot Gaya.’ Saigal acted in Hindi and Bengali films. Incidentally, he was the star in the original ‘ Devdas’ that was remade by Sanjay Leela Bhansali. This movie was voted by ‘Time Magazine’ as an all time top-ten hit. The success of ‘Devdas’ is truly a sign that old is gold!

     Dilip Kumar had great success in ‘ Shaheed’ in which patriotism is reinforced and the songs by Mohamed Rafi are terrific. Later Dilip was joined by Raj Kapoor, Dev Anand and Rajendra Kumar. They would be followed by others to add to the golden age in Hindi cinema that is thought of to be in the sixties and seventies. The ‘Big Three’ continued to rule until others were added and they would include Dharamendra, Rajesh Khanna and of course Amitabh Bachchan. In the eighties Channel 4 Television of Great Britain did a series on the Indian cinema called ‘Movie Mahal.’ It gave the stars and the producers and directors a chance to discuss impartially the then state of Bollywood. There were three comments that are worth noting from that series.

       The first comes from Dilip Kumar. In his opinion there has been ‘a tremendous deteriotation’ in the Indian film industry. Dilip criticized the lack of good scripts, and acting. He saw Bollywood as a place where money was the main pull. He was followed by movie actress Asha Parekh. The movie industry, according to Asha, was failing the viewers. The songs lacked melody, the dances were not in the classical mode and the acting was too ‘rush rush’ and could do with better direction.

     The next view actually came from a movie director. He was Manmohan Desai. This director was a visionary who was unafraid to tell Bollywood where the excesses lie. He once criticized the Taj Hotel in Mumbai (Bombay) for being out of touch with the rest of India. Manmohan Desai rose to be one of the most successful movie producer and director in Bollywood. In the late seventies his movie ‘Amar, Akbar, Anthony’ looked at the relationship between Hindus, Muslims and Christians and is said to have consolidated the career of Amitabh Bachchan. Desai’s ‘Coolie’ also starred Amitabh and by this time the anti-hero or angry young man was a popular feature in Bollywood.

     Incidentally, ‘Amar, Akbar, Anthony’ was shown by the BBC giving further proof that Desai was the King of the industry. As Bollywood entered the eighties Desai became irrelevant and the anti-hero lost his way but Amitabh remained popular. In 2001 Amir Khan produced a blockbuster ‘Lagaan’ that merges history and fantasy and a little bit of cricket thrown in for good measure. This was a bold attempt to move away from the traditional script. The movie was nominated for an Oscar following ‘Mother India’ and Amir Khan remains a serious actor and producer.

          Amir was following in the footsteps of Manoj Kumar who made ‘Upkar’ and went on to win the best actor and director award in 1967. A stinging criticism is that Bollywood is devaluing the use of Hindi in India. In the ensuing years movies such as ‘Taal’ and ‘Kuch Kuch Hota Hai’ have had commercial success. But these have been rather few and Bollywood appears to run out of scripts and ideas. The latest big hit was supposed to be ‘Dangerous Ishq’ in which Karishma Kapoor was on the comeback trail but the movie was panned by the critics with one reviewer calling it an ‘epic disappointment.’

       What can one conclude about Bollywood, given all this information? As is clear Bollywood is so vast that we can only scratch the surface. But even with this brief look we can see that Bollywood needs to rework the formula that was successful. The plots that emphasized family values such as in ‘Aradhana’ should be revisited. This movie was a remake of a Hollywood classic ‘ To each his own.’ Then there are the songs. The lyrics and melodies of yesteryear continue to leave a pleasant feeing while most of the current songs are easily forgettable.

      In recent months a remarkable turnaround has occurred in Bollywood. The song and dance routine has given way to a new set of movies and with unknown actors. The movie ‘Vicky Donor’ directed by Shoojit Sircar is about infertility and is filling the multiplexes in India. The ‘Gangs of Wasseypur’ directed by Anurag Kashyap runs for over five hours and is in two parts and was recently premiered in Cannes. Another new film ‘Shanghai’ by Dibakar Banerjee is a political thriller and is also a commercial success.

     Can these new faces and movies break the stranglehold of Bollywood? It won’t happen in the short term but the world is watching and with good storylines and acting the era of Bollywood may slowly be coming to an end. It remains to be seen if Bollywood is innovative enough to reinvent itself. 

 

        Not sure who the author is but it was in an New York newspaper.  

FM

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