Django posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:GECOM has turned out to a fraud of an agency. Big dollars passing under the table.
The PPP had a chance to make the Commission more Independent. So the tug of war continues , we here pointing fingers at both pea of the same pod.
This has nothing to do with the commission being independent. This has to do with the lawlessness that the PNC is practicing so they can rig elections and create chaos in Guyana.
Stormborn posted:ronan posted:sachin_05 posted:non se·qui·turnounnoun: non sequitur; plural noun: non sequiturs; noun: nonsequitur; plural noun: nonsequiturs
doan reach bai . . . dis ting lil above yuh IQ cohort
phone a friend, arite?
No it is your low IQ one makes fun at.
ummm . . . is dat the same "low IQ" postings you found positively "poetic" not so long ago before yuh family get into some court story with some Black folks in Guyana you were somehow disposed to reference as "PNC"?
turning you into a not-too-brite attack dog for Jagdeo and Irfaan Ali in their over-funded campaign to complete the STEALING OF GUYANA
huh . . . hmmm?
Stormborn posted:Django posted:Well sorry for the Opposition, GECOM call the shots for readiness of Elections,they will inform Prezi Granger and a date will be declared.
GECOM does not call the damn shots. GECOM Is not a system unto itself. Like all institution in the land they are under-girded by rules and guidelines and the primary delimiter to what the can and cannot do is the constitution. Their imperative is to get of their asses and deliver a credible elections using contemporary means.
In the US, every state legislature ( some better than others) use historical lists and strategies to harmonize them to a sound representation of the electors in the local constituencies. They do not sell the crap that you have to start with house to house registration ever so often. This bullshit by the APNU is pure and simple political.
They could if they wanted clean the prevailing list and do statistical spot checks to verify its integrity. House to House is only to delay the process and who knows. for the APNU to create avenues to plan B our elections.
If all systems ran by allowing a sub unit to dictate how and when things are right there would be failures all around. Every damn system on the planet maintains subsidiarity ie set guide lines about self containment for success and rely on the integrity those guide lines to validate and confer on integrity of their process. There is no exception any place in any system, social, mechanical, institutional or political. GECOM deciding on its own what are valid dates for elections is ass backward.
As much i am in agreement, so the banana republic runs. I always hoped when the PPP/C won in 1992, they would have sorted out Electoral issues. Me thinks every International election monitoring org are fed up with Guyana, even the ABCE and CARICOM are silent. I am hoping someday before i expire , real Democracy will grace the homeland.
ronan posted:Stormborn posted:ronan posted:sachin_05 posted:non se·qui·turnounnoun: non sequitur; plural noun: non sequiturs; noun: nonsequitur; plural noun: nonsequiturs
doan reach bai . . . dis ting lil above yuh IQ cohort
phone a friend, arite?
No it is your low IQ one makes fun at.
ummm . . . is dat the same "low IQ" postings you found positively "poetic" not so long ago before yuh family get into some court story with some Black folks in Guyana you were somehow disposed to reference as "PNC"?
turning you into a not-too-brite attack dog for Jagdeo and Irfaan Ali in their over-funded campaign to complete the STEALING OF GUYANA
huh . . . hmmm?
not even good for a laugh. Again with the idea that you are the brightest bulb. But no one argues with a fool believing himself to be wise. I hope SACHIN comes in to chime non sequitur!
Bibi Haniffa posted:Django posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:GECOM has turned out to a fraud of an agency. Big dollars passing under the table.
The PPP had a chance to make the Commission more Independent. So the tug of war continues , we here pointing fingers at both pea of the same pod.
This has nothing to do with the commission being independent. This has to do with the lawlessness that the PNC is practicing so they can rig elections and create chaos in Guyana.
I told you all, the Coalition Parties don't have to rig elections. The issues with the NCM is retaliation at the ploy of the Opposition Leader. You have to pay attention when the Coalition Government officials and Prezi Granger speaks.
Stormborn posted:ronan posted:Stormborn posted:ronan posted:sachin_05 posted:non se·qui·turnounnoun: non sequitur; plural noun: non sequiturs; noun: nonsequitur; plural noun: nonsequiturs
doan reach bai . . . dis ting lil above yuh IQ cohort
phone a friend, arite?
No it is your low IQ one makes fun at.
ummm . . . is dat the same "low IQ" postings you found positively "poetic" not so long ago before yuh family get into some court story with some Black folks in Guyana you were somehow disposed to reference as "PNC"?
turning you into a not-too-brite attack dog for Jagdeo and Irfaan Ali in their over-funded campaign to complete the STEALING OF GUYANA
huh . . . hmmm?
not even good for a laugh. Again with the idea that you are the brightest bulb. But no one argues with a fool believing himself to be wise. I hope SACHIN comes in to chime non sequitur!
stumped nuh?
Q.E.D.
uh huh
ronan posted:Stormborn posted:ronan posted:Stormborn posted:ronan posted:sachin_05 posted:non se·qui·turnounnoun: non sequitur; plural noun: non sequiturs; noun: nonsequitur; plural noun: nonsequiturs
doan reach bai . . . dis ting lil above yuh IQ cohort
phone a friend, arite?
No it is your low IQ one makes fun at.
ummm . . . is dat the same "low IQ" postings you found positively "poetic" not so long ago before yuh family get into some court story with some Black folks in Guyana you were somehow disposed to reference as "PNC"?
turning you into a not-too-brite attack dog for Jagdeo and Irfaan Ali in their over-funded campaign to complete the STEALING OF GUYANA
huh . . . hmmm?
not even good for a laugh. Again with the idea that you are the brightest bulb. But no one argues with a fool believing himself to be wise. I hope SACHIN comes in to chime non sequitur!
stumped nuh?
Q.E.D.
uh huh
Oh yes, one is overwhelmed by prodigious productions of bilge, your incomparable scatter brained assemblage of inane phrases as succinct prose and your resoluteness to deem this cacophony wisdom! What could one say... surely it buckles the knees!
Django posted:ksazma posted:Django posted:ksazma posted:The Opposition Leader isn't delaying elections. Granger and his cohorts at GECOM are. The only element not subject to interpretation is the requirement to have elections within 90 days of the successful passage of a NCV. That occurred back on December 21, 2018.
Regardless of whether there is a good list of not is irrelevant once that 90 days is breached.
That 90 days isn't contingent on the delay or incompetency of GECOM.
Lastly, the highest court in the land already ruled that article 106 (6) and (7) are clear and MUST be obeyed.
What !!! are you for real !! the same clauses harping on gives extension.
Regarding GECOM , recommendations to become independent of party hacks, was handed to Bharat Jagdeo, why there was no follow through ?
The clause give AN OPPORTUNITY for extension if at least 67% of parliament approves it. Parliament is under no obligation to extend the 90 days deadline and since it is clear that the despotic PNC have no honest intent on having elections the Opposition world be well advised to not participate in the PNC intent to usurp power.
I am afraid English can’t be made any simpler than that.
Well sorry for the Opposition, GECOM call the shots for readiness of Elections,they will inform Prezi Granger and a date will be declared.
No doubt they call the shots for readiness of elections but come September 18, 2019, if Jagdeo doesn't throw the wicked PNC another lifeline, they will be illegally squatting in office. They can remain there as long as they wish because the PPP will not act like bullies the way the Coalition did in 2015 and padlock all the doors. The PPP has shown that they can behave in a civilized manner. But make no mistake, the mostly PNC Coalition will be illegal after September 18, 2019.
Stormborn posted:ronan posted:Stormborn posted:ronan posted:Stormborn posted:ronan posted:sachin_05 posted:non se·qui·turnounnoun: non sequitur; plural noun: non sequiturs; noun: nonsequitur; plural noun: nonsequiturs
doan reach bai . . . dis ting lil above yuh IQ cohort
phone a friend, arite?
No it is your low IQ one makes fun at.
ummm . . . is dat the same "low IQ" postings you found positively "poetic" not so long ago before yuh family get into some court story with some Black folks in Guyana you were somehow disposed to reference as "PNC"?
turning you into a not-too-brite attack dog for Jagdeo and Irfaan Ali in their over-funded campaign to complete the STEALING OF GUYANA
huh . . . hmmm?
not even good for a laugh. Again with the idea that you are the brightest bulb. But no one argues with a fool believing himself to be wise. I hope SACHIN comes in to chime non sequitur!
stumped nuh?
Q.E.D.
uh huh
Oh yes, one is overwhelmed by prodigious productions of bilge, your incomparable scatter brained assemblage of inane phrases as succinct prose and your resoluteness to deem this cacophony wisdom! What could one say... surely it buckles the knees!
banna, sometimes you just try waayy too hard
and 'Sachin' is a fool, he can't help you
lol
Django posted:Stormborn posted:Django posted:Well sorry for the Opposition, GECOM call the shots for readiness of Elections,they will inform Prezi Granger and a date will be declared.
GECOM does not call the damn shots. GECOM Is not a system unto itself. Like all institution in the land they are under-girded by rules and guidelines and the primary delimiter to what the can and cannot do is the constitution. Their imperative is to get of their asses and deliver a credible elections using contemporary means.
In the US, every state legislature ( some better than others) use historical lists and strategies to harmonize them to a sound representation of the electors in the local constituencies. They do not sell the crap that you have to start with house to house registration ever so often. This bullshit by the APNU is pure and simple political.
They could if they wanted clean the prevailing list and do statistical spot checks to verify its integrity. House to House is only to delay the process and who knows. for the APNU to create avenues to plan B our elections.
If all systems ran by allowing a sub unit to dictate how and when things are right there would be failures all around. Every damn system on the planet maintains subsidiarity ie set guide lines about self containment for success and rely on the integrity those guide lines to validate and confer on integrity of their process. There is no exception any place in any system, social, mechanical, institutional or political. GECOM deciding on its own what are valid dates for elections is ass backward.
As much i am in agreement, so the banana republic runs. I always hoped when the PPP/C won in 1992, they would have sorted out Electoral issues. Me thinks every International election monitoring org are fed up with Guyana, even the ABCE and CARICOM are silent. I am hoping someday before i expire , real Democracy will grace the homeland.
Perfectly reasonable that you hoped that the PPP would have sorted out the electoral issues. Well, obviously they didn't. Now the Coalition were there for the past 4 years. You should be looking to them why they didn't sort it out the past 4 years. But obviously you can't look to them to sort it out especially since they are currently abusing the system.
On countless times while I was sooring meh ohman dem, dem duz seah dat I is very poetic. Now maybe I should repeat dat every time I feel cornered or diminished.
ksazma posted:Now maybe I should repeat dat every time I feel cornered or diminished.
nah, try get a manhood injection, straighten up and don't look down when you want try talk to me
it will work wonders for your "cornered and diminished" condition
arite?
Abie buddie Ronnie Reflux fightin hard foh he mattie hold powah so dem could hand out all de land and kill aff Guysuco and tek de land...hey hey hey.
ksazma posted:On countless times while I was sooring meh ohman dem, dem duz seah dat I is very poetic. Now maybe I should repeat dat every time I feel cornered or diminished.
LMFAO! Sir "Well I am" Shakebatty down on he knees reciting poetry while black man dropping iron pon he homan at night. No wonder all the deep psychoses about black people LOL.
Labba posted:Abie buddie Ronnie Reflux fightin hard foh he mattie hold powah so dem could hand out all de land and kill aff Guysuco and tek de land...hey hey hey.
mussbe so hard staying in character and still do your 'job' nuh?
Anybody got a light?
Stormborn posted:ronan posted:the rules of order and other procedural stuff are embroidery and traditionthe guts of the GY Constitution was taken out and replaced by Burnham
that's why there are so many dead and loose ends
but at the end of the day, you remain a very light thinker
prone to posting stupid, self-undermining crap like below:
"Like all Westminster models the prime minister is supreme."
uh huh
Lots of things in government are ornamental. It still remains a distinct legacy of a system we inherited or rather was foisted on us by Burnham. He always has a ken for the authority and what best can be the cover than a system that grants him absolute power as long as he remains in office?
It also conserves the idea of democracy to give him cover in that respect. He knew full well as long as we are divided this system affords him power. His legacy lives on. Each succeeding regime gravitated to the lure of authoritarianism in a majoritarian system that leaves no space between the executive presidency and the legislature and in essence create an elected dictator. That our society is vertically bifurcated by race and our population demographics closely matched the eternal ying and yang of the struggle is to win the state as an ethnic prize.
You being the perennial ass you are thinks repeating the a fact, a feature and a foundation element of Westminsterism denies its reality. Sorry, conveys nothing else than that you are a pompous ass. You do not think and that is an impediment to you ever making sense. Of course, the main ingredient that prohibits reason is that grandiose notion that you are the brightest bulb in the land.
your sophomoric topic mini-essay on a "Burnham" you only have cartoon knowledge about is noted
do you know that LFFSB was a Communist whose contempt for the inherited Westminster document was known by anyone who was anyone from practically the 1st day he stepped into office?
that he was constrained only by the correlation of forces in his overhaul of the legacy constitution? . . .
have you properly read the Declaration of Sophia?
"5.11 As we complete our tenth year in office, and proceed to the country's tenth anniversary of independence, we cannot do so with a Constitution out of step with modern trends, and our own ideas and ideologies; a Constitution which reflects for the most part the beliefs and ideology of our former imperialist masters; a Constitution which was taken out of the drawer, so to speak, as were several others for various ex-British colonies; with the minimum relevancy to the Guyanese peoples' needs, aspirations and thrusts. The Constitution must go and in its place a new and relevant Constitution must be substituted."
do you know anything of Burnham's tasking of Shahabudeen for his Socialist Constitution?
do you have any idea what was in store constitutionally for Guyana if kabaka hadn't died in 1985 and the merger agreement with CBJ was consummated?
your first two paragraphs are a pitiful mishmash of contradiction, confusion, IGNORANCE and bluster guided by a baffle-'em-with-bullsh!t con man scheme in turn dependent for success on the short attention spans of the mostly dumb PPP plantation dwellers you used to overseer on GNI
fortunately, i am here to lift up your dress
the third para . . . well, it's simply more ritual scratching of the itch of your insecurity, and the continuing, boring effort to staunch your diminishment; so i struck it out
uh huh
ronan posted:Oh yes, one is overwhelmed by prodigious productions of bilge, your incomparable scatter brained assemblage of inane phrases as succinct prose and your resoluteness to deem this cacophony wisdom! What could one say... surely it buckles the knees!
banna, sometimes you just try waayy too hard
and 'Sachin' is a fool, he can't help you
lol
I do not have to try. It is easier than for me and I do not begrudge your fluidity with trite street vernacular. I am quite adroit with cussing if such is needed but one need to let people own their own space expecially when they have a knack for it. You like trudging in the muck and the grime and participating in grandiose expressions of you own intellectual capacity so I let you own the space. It appears your forte...apparently a very much treasured skill I might add.
ronan posted:Stormborn posted:your sophomoric topic mini-essay on a "Burnham" you only have cartoon knowledge about is noteddo you know that LFFSB was a Communist whose contempt for the inherited Westminster document was known by anyone who was anyone from practically the 1st day he stepped into office?
that he was constrained only by the correlation of forces in his overhaul of the legacy constitution? . . .
have you properly read the Declaration of Sophia?
"5.11 As we complete our tenth year in office, and proceed to the country's tenth anniversary of independence, we cannot do so with a Constitution out of step with modern trends, and our own ideas and ideologies; a Constitution which reflects for the most part the beliefs and ideology of our former imperialist masters; a Constitution which was taken out of the drawer, so to speak, as were several others for various ex-British colonies; with the minimum relevancy to the Guyanese peoples' needs, aspirations and thrusts. The Constitution must go and in its place a new and relevant Constitution must be substituted."
do you know anything of Burnham's tasking of Shahabudeen for his Socialist Constitution?
do you have any idea what was in store constitutionally for Guyana if kabaka hadn't died in 1985 and the merger agreement with CBJ was consummated?
your first two paragraphs are a pitiful mishmash of contradiction, confusion, IGNORANCE and bluster guided by a baffle-'em-with-bullsh!t con man scheme in turn dependent for success on the short attention spans of the mostly dumb PPP plantation dwellers you used to overseer on GNI
fortunately, i am here to lift up your dress
the third para . . . well, it's simply more ritual scratching of the itch of your insecurity, and the continuing, boring effort to staunch your diminishment; so i struck it out
uh huh
O let me get this...you are saying you know when all you do is spout declarations that you know! Yes, shahabudeen was tasked to write a constitution and having no foundation with such learning he cobbled together what we have mirroring what he saw in the commonwealth. We only have two distinct liberal models on the planet. All others are permutations of these two. Constitutionalism is only two hundred years old and the first written one being the US with its fountainhead in coventalism, greek and roman law and the enlightenment creed. The other is the loosely held conventions of the British historical experience which we as members of the commonwealth are familiar with and from which most commonwealth countries formalized their primer social contract. The patterns are that one is decentralized with distributed power centers and the other is centralized with power consolidated an the executive from a single constituency.
You are a dunce. You see the reality of our parliamentary system and its mirroring in organization and structure of the brits; what do you call it if not Westminster like? You see its lack of separation of the chief exec and the legislation so which system maximize for that? You see the deferment of the judiciary to the legislative branch so indirectly on bended knees to the executive; which system is that? You notice the single constituency where the legislature is impotent with respect to the executive, which system is that? We have a defacto elected dictatorship; which system aims at that under the guise of strong majoritarian government? Now please tell us which system we have. Surely you do not mean to tell us that because you believe Burnham was a communist we have a communist constitution? I suggest you read what that means or if you know apply.
As I note in each post; up you are an empty loud mouthed lout whose only strength lies in pretentious huffing and puffing. I dare you to explain, for us as I do in each post what system we have. Give it a label since all things fall under the umbrella of some system of thought.
https://search.wikileaks.org/p...74GEORGE02206_b.html
1974 December 16
SUMMARY. AT DEC 15 RALLY
PRIME MINISTER FORBES BURNHAM ANNOUNCED PLANS TO MAKE GUYANA INTO "FIRST TRULY SOCIALIST STATE ON CONTINENT OF SOUTH AMERICA".
THESE PLANS INCLUDE NEW CONSTITUTIO ITO BE DRAFTED IN 1975, RIGOROUS CODE OF CONDUCT FOR PARTY LEADERS, GOVT TAKEOVER OF ALL LAND NOT IN PRODUCTIVE USE, AND GOVT CONTROL OF ALL FOREIGN TRADE. BURNHAM, WHO OPENLY STATED THAT RULING PEOPLES NATIONAL CONGRESS WAS ABOVE THE GOVT, APPEARS TO BE TAKING GUYANA FURTHER TOWARDS FORMAL ONE PARTY STATE.
END SUMMARY. 1.
AT MASSIVE AND CAREFULLY STAGED DEC 15 RALLY TO MARK TENTH ANNI- VERSARY OF PEOPLES NATIONAL CONGRESS GOVT, PRIME MINISTER FORBES BURNHAM ANNOUNCED MAJOR PLANS TO MAKE GUYANA INTO "THE FIRST TRULY SOCIALIST STATE ON THE CONTINENT OF SOUTH AMERICA". AFTER BEGIN- NING WITH BRIEF REVIEW OF ACHIEVEMENTS OF PAS TEN YEARS, BURNHAM REVEALED DECISIONS APPROVED BY PNC SPECIAL CONGRESS DECEMBER 14-15. PRIME MINISTER DISCLOSED THAT IN 1975 "THE PARTY, THE PEOPLE, AND THE PARLIAMENT" WILL DRAFT NEW CONSTITUTION FOR GUYANA. NOTING THAT CONSTITUTION "GRANTED" AT INDEPENDENCE HAD BECOME IRRELEVANT SINCE IT WAS "REPLICA OF ETHICS AND IDEOLOGY OF FORMER COLONIAL MASTERS", BURNHAM SAID GUYANA MUST NOW HAVE CONSTITUTION SUITED TO ITS NEEDS. LATER IN HIS ADDRESS, BURNHAM LEFT LITTLE DOUBT ABOUT NEW CONSTITUION'S PRINCIPLES WHEN HE STATED "THE PARTY COMES BEFORE THE GOVT...THE GOVT IS INFERIOR TO THE PARTY".
2. BURNHAM ALSO OUTLINED RIGOROUS CODE OF CONDUCT FOR PNC "LEADERS" MAJOR PROVISIONS OF CODE PROHIBIT PARTY "LEADERS" FROM ACCEPTING GIFTS, HOLDING STOCK IN COMPANIES, SERVING AS DIRECTORS OF COMPA NIES, RENTING OUT PROPERTY, ENGAGING IN PRIVATE BUSINESS EMPLOYING MORETHAN TEN PERSONS OR USING FOR PERSONAL BENEFIT INFORMATION GAINED BECAUSE OF PARTY OR GOVT POSITION. PARTY "LEADERS" MUST DECLARE ALL PROPERTY IN SWORN STATEMENT BY MARCH 31, 1975. FOR PURPOSES OF CODE, PARTY "LEADER" IS DEFINED AS PRESIDENT OF REPUB- LIC, PRIME MINISTER, ATTORNEY GENERAL, PNC MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT, AND PARTY OFFICERS.
3. OTHER IMMIMENT HANGES ANNOUNCED BY BURNHAM INCLUDE GOVT TAKEOVER OF ALL PRIVATE LANDS NOT IN PRODUCTIVE USE, GOVT CONTROL OF ALL FOREIGN TRADE, ABOLITION OF FEES AT UNIV. OF GUYANA EFFECTIVE NEXT SEPT, AND INSTITUTION OF COMPULSORY COURSES ON COOPERATIVE SOCIALISM IN SCHOOLS. PRIME MINISTER SAID THAT DETAILS OF THESE DECISIONS WOULD BE MADE PUBLIC SOON, AND THESE CHANGES WOULD BE EMBODIED IN "DECLARATION OF SOPHIAZ SHORTLY TO BE RELEASED. IN CLOSING HIS ADDRESS, BURNHAM SAID HE LOOKED FORWARD TO REPORTING TO THE PEOPLE AFTER TEN MORE YEARS OF PNC RULE.
4. BURNHAM'S BRIEF COMMENTS ON REYNOLDS TAX/NATIONALIZATION DISPUTE REPORTED SEPTEL.
5. COMMENT. ANNOUNCEMENT OF DRAFTING OF NEW CONSTITUTION AND ESTABLISHMENT OF CODE OF CONDUCT ARE MAJOR STEPS IN PRIME MINISTER BURNHAM'S MOVE FROM PARLIAMENTARY DEMOCRACY WHICH HE INHERITED IN 1964 TO ONE PARTY STATE.NEW CONSTITUTION WILL MOST LIKELY SET UP INSTITUTIONS OF ONE PARTY STATE, AND CODE OF CONDUCT IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE DISCIPLINED, COMMITTED, SOCIALIST LEADERSHIP. BURNHAM'S OPEN STATEMENT OF PARTY SUPREMACY OVER GOVT WILL UN- DOUBTEDLY PROVOKE OPPOSITION FROM VARIOUS PARTIES AND GROUPS, BUT AT THIS POINT NONE APPEAR ABLE TO OFFER SIGNIFICANT RESISTANCE.
6. IMMEDIATE EFFECT OF CODE OF CONDUCT ON PNC IS NOT YET CLEAR. IF CODE IS STRICLTY ENFORCED SEVERAL MINOR FIGURES IN PARTY INCLU- DING MOHAMED KASIM, MINISTER OF STATE FOR AGRICULTURE, WILL BE FORCED TO GIVE UP PROPERTY OR BUSINESS INTERESTS IN ORDER TO RETAIN THEIR POSITIONS. OTHER LEADERS WOULD ALSO BE EMBARRASSED BY PUBLIC DISCLOSURE OF THEIR PROPERTY HOLDINGS.
KREBS
Refresher on Guyana 1980 Constitution.
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