RAMADAN BEGINS SAT JULY 21/12

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RAMADAN BEGINS ON 21st JULY IN THE CARIBBEAN

Published Yesterday

The Anjuman Sunnatul Jamaat Association of Trinidad and Tobago (ASJA) and the Central Islamic Association of Guyana (CIOG) announced tonight that the new moon was not seen by the naked eye therefore the first day of Ramadan (and fasting) will be on Saturday 21st July. ASJA and CIOG are each the national Muslim representative organizations in Trinidad and Guyana respectively.

There are varying methods to determining the beginning of the new lunar month. The Prophetic tradition is to begin the fast with seeing the moon. Modernist prefer to C (for calculation) the moon. There are two variants to this methodology. One is that at the moon's birth if it is visible anywhere from earth then the lunar month begins at sunset of moon's birthday. Others follow the declaration of Saudi Arabia. The issue is that the Saudis use a preset calendar called the Umm al-Qurra calendar and it seems that the authorities are reluctant to deviate from it and often conjure up bogus or mistaken moonsighting to bolster the calendar. The calendar is based on a calculated birth of the new moon and not the actual moon sighting which is contrary to the Sunnah of the Prophet of “sight the moon and start Ramadan, sight the moon and do eid, if sighting is not possible then complete the 30 days of Ramadan”.

A Jeddah, Saudi Arabia resident (name withheld) speaking to CaribbeanMuslims.com, said earlier today "The same village keep seeing the moon! People are questioning the current procedure where anyone can show up and say that they witnessed the moon despite the ability or inability of that! Almost the whole middle east region and people all over the world rely on Saudi. The problem is whoever "sees" the moon and report it to the nearest court gets a "gift" from the government. This was invented a long time ago to encourage people to participate in this sunnah."

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The Astronomical New Moon is on July 19, 2012 (Thursday) at 4:24 UT. On Thursday, July 19, it can not be seen anywhere in the world by naked eye, except in small areas of Polynesian Islands. On July 19, with binoculars it can be seen in Chile, South America. On July 19, with telescope it can be seen in Brazil, Argentina and Peru. On Friday, July 20, 2012, it can be easily seen in New Zealand, Australia, South-East Asia, Africa and Americas.

Moonsighting.com reports that the moon was not sighted anywhere on earth, except of course two oil producing nations of Nigeria and Saudi Arabia, with a note that "Moonsighting.com opinion is that this is a mistaken claim of sighting".

In North America and Europe self-anointed "fiqh" counsels having been pushing for years to follow this flawed Saudi system claiming the motivation is "unity" and "communal harmony". The issue is one of salvation of the soul, these innovations lead to disobedience of the Prophetic guidance, resulting in non-sacred days being artificially declared sacred and vice versa, then are the blessings of Ramadan missed? This perspective is dismissed by the purveyors of innovation by claiming that the responsibility of the mistake is upon them. Truly?

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The Moon has been "C" Ramadan fast set to begin on July 20th 2012

Published 07/12/2012

The self anointed qadis of the high sounding Fiqh Council of North America (FCNA)declared on their website that the "First day of Ramadan will be Friday, July 20, 2012 and Eid al-Fitr on Sunday, August 19, 2012". This despite the expert sky watchers such as Khalid Shaukat of Moonsighting.com stating that "The Astronomical New Moon is on July 19, 2012 (Thursday) at 4:24 UT. On Thursday, July 19, it can not be seen anywhere in the world by naked eye, except in small areas of Polynesian Islands. On July 19, with binoculars/telescope it can be seen in Chile, South America. On Friday, July 20, 2012, it can be easily seen in Australia, South-East Asia, Africa and Americas." Ramadan fast will definitely begin on July 20th in Germany, probably the same day in neighboring France and maybe on Saturday across the Channel in Britain. FCNA calculates exactly when the new crescent moon will appear in the sky anywhere around the world and does not allow for its visibility to the naked eye.

Ramadan traditionally starts the morning after the naked-eye sighting of the new crescent moon. This method is practiced by the majority of Muslims living in the Caribbean and South America in keeping with the practice and dictates of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

7/20/1212:54 AM

Former Member

2012 (Thursday) at 4:24 UT. On Thursday, July 19, it can not be seen anywhere in the world by naked eye, except in small areas of Polynesian Islands. On July 19, with binoculars/telescope it can be seen in Chile, South America. Happy Ramadan!

7/20/124:42 AM

Former Member

Originally Posted by TI:

So far there is no confirmation that anyone from the Polynesian Islands or Chile or South America has seen the moon on July 19th

You see the moon you commence fast

You see the moon you commence Eid

Happy Ramadan

7/20/124:17 PM

Former Member

In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
Islamic Educational Center of Orange County,
Costa Mesa, California.

First of the Month of Ramadan to be Saturday, July 21, 2012

Islamic Educational Center of Orange County would like to congratulate the global Muslim community on the advent of the holy month of Ramadan. The Holy Prophet (pbuh&hf) has stated in an narration agreed upon by all schools of thought: "Begin fasting when you see the new moon, and end fasting when you see the new moon." As there were no credible reports of sightings of the new crescent for the month of Ramadan anywhere around the world on the evening of Thursday, July 19, therefore, Friday, July 20 will be the last day of the month of Sha'baan, and Saturday, July 21 will be the first day of the holy month of Ramadan, inshaAllah. IECOC would like to wish you all a blessed and spiritually-fulfilling month. May The Most Merciful accept all of our fasting, supplications, prayers, and acts of worship.

The Ramadan nightly program at IECOC will begin on Friday, July 20th 2012 with a Quranic reading session one hour before sunset, followed by maghrib and isha prayers, iftar (breaking the fast), Dua Al Iftitah, and Quran tafseer (commentary) session by Imam Sayed Moustafa Al-Qazwini.

All community members are invited to attend the beautiful Ramadan program where we develop a sense of togetherness and family, as we begin our journey of purifying our minds and souls.

7/20/124:26 PM

Former Member

Sighting Reports

The earliest reprted sighting of the new crescent was on July 20, 2012 from Fiji Islands.

Thursday, 19 July 2012:

Australia:
Not Seen: Abbas Aly (MCW member) from Annangrove NSW reported Thursday 19th July 2012, viewing a clear sky, stars clearly visible. There was NO moon sighted in Sydney, the location for sighting is one of the highest points in Sydney 215m above sea level no buildings to horizon observation stopped at 6.00pm more than 30 minutes after Maghrib. Since the moon of 1st Shaaban was sighted we will complete the 30 days of Shaaban. Therefore first day of Ramadhan will be Saturday 21st July in Australia.
Brunei:
Not Seen: Dr. Mohammed Hussain Ahmad (MCW member) from Brunei Darussalam reported: The new moon was not sighted in Brunei this afternoon, Thursday 19/7/2012. Therefore the 1st day of Ramadan will start on Saturday, 21 July 2012.
Canada:
Not Seen: Baig Muhammad Tamachi (MCW member) from Peterborough Ontario reported: Combination of heavy cloud cover in the south-westerly skies prevented sighting of the Ramadhaan 1433 Hilaal in Peterborough, Ontario, Canada on Thursday, 19th of July, 2012. Maghrib and Moonset times happened to coincide at 8:52PM local time today. My observation attempt was between 8:32pm and 9:02pm
Not Seen: HiMY SYeD (MCW member) from Toronto Ontario reported: On Thursday July 19 2012, after praying Maghrib at Masjid Toronto in Downtown Toronto, I quickly walked one block south to Toronto City Hall. Once there I walked up the ramp to the Green Roof of City Hall to get a less obstructed view of the western horizon. It had been overcast for the better part of the day. The evening was no different. The western sky was almost completely still filled with clouds. Nevertheless, I searched the few clear spots in the cloud cover for about ten minutes. No moon was sighted.
Not Seen: Hilal ibn Muhammad (MCW member) from Calgary Alberta reported: I went to sight the moon with another brother at around 8:15pm until 9:40pm MST time and we could not see it. There was some haze and partly cloudy but there were breaks in the cloud up until 9:20pm at which time the cloud cover increased. However with a 56x telescope and 10x binocs we still could not find the moon. InshaAllah Ramadhan 1433AH will begin on Saturday July 21st, 2012.
Chile:
Not Seen: Muhammad Sohail (MCW member) from Iquique reported: In Iquique (Chile) moon in not seen on July 19. So 1st of Ramzan will be on Sat 21/07/2012.
Not Seen: Ayman Al-Layla (MCW member) from Leeds UK reported: I just called my friend from chile, he said they were 4 members went 75Km east of Iquique city and 1500m above see level and they COULD NOT SEE ANYTHING, today, July 19.
Not Seen: Dr. Muhammad Hafiz (MCW member) from Jamaica, NY, reported: Speaking to Br. Fuad Musa (MCW member) from Santiago, Chile by phone, I found that he and some members from the Masjid tried to observe the Hilaal today, 19th July, 2012 after sunset in 2 different locations. The Hilaal was not observed. Hence, the first fast will commence on Saturday, 21st July, 2012 in Chile.
Dominican Republic:
Not Seen: Ahmad Abdul Haqq (MCW member) from Santo Domingo reported: On July 19, the moon of Ramadan 1433H was not seen in the Dominican Republic. Various Muslims associated with the Entidad Islámica Dominicana (Dominican Islamic Entity) were observing from the cities of Higüey, Santiago and Bávaro-Punta Cana. All reports are the same, the skies were cloudy with rainfalls in certain areas. We add another day to the month of Sha'bân.
France:
Not Seen: Rida Roty (MCW member) from Caen (Normandie) reported: The "Conseil Français du Culte Musulman" (CFCM) announces that tomorrow Friday, July 20, 2012, is the first day of the holy month Ramadan 1433. See link in french
Indonesia:
Not Seen: AR Sugeng Riyadi (MCW member) from Surakarta, Java reported: On Thursday, July 19, 2012: The New Crescent of Ramadhan 1433 AH was NOT SEEN from Assalaam Observatory- Surakarta Central Java - Indonesia. We are about 200 moslem tried to see, but the sky was cloudy. And also about 38 location in Indonesia reported that the Hilal was not seen. Indonesia Government declared the 1st Ramadhan 1433 AH will be on Saturday, July 21, 2012.
Japan:
Not Seen: Aqeel Siddiqi (Secretary, Ruyat-e-Hilal Committee-Japan) from Japan reported: The new moon was not sighted in Japan this evening, Thursday 19/7/2012. Therefore the 1st day of Ramadan will start on Saturday, 21 July 2012.
Kenya:
Not Seen: Mahmood Essa (MCW member) from Mombasa reported: The Ramadhaan Crescent was not sighted here in Kenya this Thursday evening, July 19. Insha Allah,the first day of Ramadhaan will be on Saturday, 21/07/2012.
Luxembourg:
Not Seen: Mr. Michael Bruppacher (MCW member) reported: On July 19, I attempted to look for hilal but I was not able to see the moon, due to the presence of clouds in the north-west horizon and moonset was before sunset. However the Shoura (institution representing the muslims in Luxembourg) announced that the 1st of Ramadan will start on July 20, 2012, by following the fatwa of the ECFR (European Council of Fatwa and Research). See link in french.
Morocco:
Not Seen: Khalid Chraibi (MCW member) from Casablanca reported: I am pleased to inform you that the Moroccan authorities have announced this Thursday evening that the crescent of the new moon couldn't be observed at sunset today, July 19. The month of Ramadan will thus begin on Saturday 21 July 2012 in Morocco.
Namibia:
Not Seen: Azgar Suleman from Walvis Bay reported: The Hilaal was NOT sighted today, July 19 in Walvis Bay.
Not Seen: Ahmed Mohamed Barakah (MCW member) from Windhoek reported: The Hilaal was NOT sighted today, July 19 in Windhoek However as usual. Some people started Ramadan today Friday 19th July 2012 following KSA. For the rest of the people 1st Ramadan will be 20th July 2012.
Nigeria:
Not Seen: Official Announcement is seen: Mohammed Jalal (MCW member) from Kaduna, Kaduna State reported: I tried, but could not see the moon on July 19. There is a radio announcement now from the Amirul Mumineen in Nigeria that the moon was sighted in 4 Nigerian cities by twelve adult muslims between 6.55pm to 7.30pm local time. Tomorrow, July 20 is therefore Ramadan 1st. Moonsighting.com opinion is that this is a mistaken claim of sighting.
Panama:
Not Seen: Saleh Bhai Bhattay (MCW member) from Panama City reported: We could not see the moon in panama City on July 19.
Philippines:
Not Seen: Mohammad Amin Mangorsi (MCW member) from Manila reported: On Thursday July 19, 2012. I could not see the moon in Manila, because of bad weather in our country. I tried to look from 6:10pm to 6:35pm.
Qatar:
Not Seen: Muhammad Imran Paracha (MCW member) from Doha reported: Tried to sight the moon before maghrib prayer on July 19 but wasn't able to. The age of the moon was around 11 hours and moonset was only 3 mins after sunset.
Saudi Arabia:
Not Seen: Luqmaan Williams (MCW member) from Ta'if reported: I was in Makkah tonight (Thursday), July 19th. Clear skies but did not sight the crescent.
Seen (Saudi Announcement): Mrs. Lubna Shawly (MCW member) from Jiddah reported: It is announced in the Saudi courts, according to the observation of the new moon (moon is sighted in areas of Sudair & Shagra), and that the first day of Ramadan for the year 1433 Hijrah will be on Friday the 20th of July 2012. Moonsighting.com opinion is that this is a mistaken claim of sighting.
South Africa:
Not Seen: Ammar Tahir (MCW member) from Cape Town reported: I just returned from trying to sight the Ramadhan Hilaal by the beach front on July 19. There were 4 of us Muslims (1 female and 3 males). We used telescope and also telescopic camera lenses but failed to sight any Hilaal. The Islamic Authorities here also could not sight the moon. The declaration has been made on radio just now that the official first day of Ramadhan will be thsi Saturday 21st July 2012.
Not Seen: Dr. Abdurrazak Ebrahim (MCW member) from Cape Town reported: The Hilaal was not sighted in Southern Africa this Thursday evening (19 July 2012 --- 29 Shabaan 1433). The official 1st day of Ramadaan in this area will be on Saturday, 21st July 2012.
As a point of interest, I set up a Dobsonian XT6 telescope to try to capture the crescent but to no avail. The solar coronal glare was larger than usual, especially upwards of the trailing limb of the sun. The moon was positioned in this area. There was a mass coronal emission yesterday and perhaps (?) this may be the cause of the excessive coronal glare. The weather was fine and trying to break the world record for a telescopic sighting proved unsuccessful.
Spain:
Not Seen: Gabriel Jairodín Riaza (MCW member) from Madrid reported: The Union of Islamic Communities of Spain (Islamic Commission of Spain) announces that tomorrow Friday, July 20, 2012, is the first day of the holy month Ramadan 1433. Click here
Sri Lanka:
Not Seen: Nular Bary (MCW member) from Colombo reported: Today 28th of Sha'ban 1433 (19/07/2012) evening in Colombo western sky was clear, I went to Bambalapitiy beach to watch the Sun set and the New Moon. I know the Moon is setting 10 minutes after Sun set in Colombo but still I wanted to take chance. I was scanning the western horizon with my binoculars still I couldn't see the crescent, I witness the Sun setting clearly in western horizon at 6:32pm "MashaAllah". Tomorrow on 29th of Sha'ban I have 56 minutes to try again after Sun set "InshaAllah".
Tanzania:
Not Seen: Hamza Rijal (MCW member) from Tiny Island of Zanzibar reported: I would like to inform you all that in tiny island of Zanzibar Hilal is not sighted on July 19 and it was declared by Mufty Office that we shall complete the month of Shaaban and The officially first day of Ramadhan shall be 21st of July.
Thailand:
Not Seen: Surin Ninchuawong from Thailand reported: Not seen; But Official Announcement is "seen" : On Thursday, July 19, 2012, There was a group of about 20 of us together could not see the moon in Chonburi (Pattaya Beach), Thailand. Skies were not clear. I tried to look from 6:00pm to 7:10pm . And my friend reported in the south of Thailand the new moon was not seen.
UK:
Not Seen: Mohammad Ali Javed (MCW member) from Luton, Bedfordshire reported: Today, July 19 the new moon was not seen because the sky was cloudy. We will complete 30 days and 1st Ramadan will be on Saturday 21st July 2012.
Not Seen: Saraj Qazi (MCW member) from Luton, Bedfordshire reported: Allama Qazi Abdul Aziz Chishti on behalf of Markazi Aulema & Musha'ikh Council UK & Marzkazi Jamat Ahle Sunnat UK & Europe (The largest and oldest Jamaat of ahle sunnah in UK) announced the following:
On following the Sunnah of RasoolAllah SAW and the Shariah, there has been no visible sighting of the Moon in the UK or any positive sighting from any Muslim country close to UK including Morocco on the eve of 19th July 2012. We therefore will be completeing 30 days of Sha’ban and officially announce the 1st of Ramadhan Kareem to be on Saturday 21st July 2012 InshAllah.
Not Seen: Juned Patel (MCW member) from Bolton Lancshire reported: Today, July 19 the new moon was not seen between 20:55 to 21:40 because the sky was cloudy.
USA:
Not Seen: Imam Salim Chishti (MCW member) from New Lebanon NY reported: We tried to sight the moon on Thursday night, July 19 from sunset to 9:00PM. The sky was overcast and nothing was visible on the western horizon after the sun set so the crescent was not sighted. In New Lebanon we will follow the start of Ramadhan as calculated by the FCNA so the first Tarawhi prayers will be on Thursday night and the first day of fasting will be tomorrow,
Not Seen: Javad Torabinejad (MCW member) from Blacksburg VA reported: This evening (Thursday, July 19, 2012), the crescent moon of Ramadan was not sighted in Blacksburg, VA (Lat: 37° 15' 40" N, Lng: 80° 26' 56" W, and elevation: 646 meters). The western horizon sky was mostly cloudy. We stayed there only for few minutes.
Not Seen: Imam Mir Omar Ali, Smithfield, NC reported: On Thursday, 07/19/2012 I tried to see Hilal from 8:35 to 9:15 pm, from roof of hospital, excellent vantage point. But it was partly cloudy Skies Negative sighting.
Not Seen: Dr. Muhammad Hafiz (MCW member) from Jamaica, NY, reported: I tried to observe the Hilal today July 19, 2012 after sunset. The horizon was overcast with rainy clouds hence observation was made impossible. Most Masjids in the area will commence first fast on Saturday.
Not Seen: Khalid Yaseen (MCW member) from Detroit, MI, reported: No sighting in Detroit, MI - it was very cloudy this evening, July 19.
Not Seen: Hamid Quraishi (MCW member) from Winona MN reported: I tried with two others to watch the moon sighting in Winona, MN.There was no moon visible by naked eye. The condition was partly cloudy and hazy.
Not Seen: Mohammed Yahya Shaikh (MCW member) from Anaheim CA reported: The moon for Ramadhan was not seen on July 19th 2012, in Anaheim, Playa Del Rey, Rosemead and Arcadia, California. There was a thick layer of haze hugging the lower horizon, and optical aid did not hel the cause either.
Not Seen: Muzzammil Dadabhoy (MCW member) from Huntington Beach CA reported: Thursday, July 19, 2012, SKY CONDITIONS: Absolutely clear skies but a hazy right above the horizon. WE BEGAN LOOKING: 7:50pm, ENDED LOOKING: 8:37pm I, Muzzammil Dadabhoy (28), Iqbal Dadabhoy (56), Sulaimaan Dadabhoy (31), Saeeda Jadwet (56), all did not see the moon fromHilltop Park, 2351 Dawson Ave., Signal Hill, CA 90755. SUNSET: 8:02 p.m. in direction 296* West-Northwest. MOONSET: 8:17 p.m. in direction 286* West-Northwest

7/20/124:32 PM

Former Member

Inshaallah, someday maybe in our lifetime, the muslim community will get the moon sighting correct.

If we have to depend on the sighting from Saudi Arabia, then we all will be committed to the fire of hell.

The blind leading the blind.

7/20/124:36 PM

Former Member

OFFICIAL 1st Day of Ramadan in Different Countries

Friday, 20 July 2012:

Australia (FCNA, ECFR, Ummul-Qura)
Afghanistan (Follow Saudi)
Albania (Follow Saudi)
Armenia (Follow Saudi)
Austria (Follow Saudi)
Azerbaijan (Follow Saudi)
Bahrian (Follow Saudi)
Bangladesh (Some areas follow Saudi)
Belgium (Follow Saudi)
Bolivia (Follow Saudi)
Bosnia and Hercegovina (Follow Saudi)
Bulgaria (Follow Saudi)
Canada - Fiqh Council of North America and Muslim Association of Canada, Alberta
Chechnia (Follow Saudi)
Cosovo (Follow Saudi)
Denmark (Follow Saudi)
Egypt - Moon Born before sunset & moon sets at least 5 minutes after sunset
Finland (Follow Saudi)
France (Follow European Council of Fatwa & Research (ECFR))
Georgia (Follow Saudi)
Germany (Follow ECFR)
Georgia (Follow Saudi)
Hungary (Follow Saudi)
Iceland (Follow Saudi)
Ireland (Follow Saudi)
Italy (Follow Saudi)
Jordan (Follow Saudi)
Kazakhstan (Calculations)
Kuwait (Follow Saudi)
Kyrgizstan (Follow Saudi)
Lebanon (Follow Saudi)
Luxembourg (Follow ECFR)
Mauritania (Follow Saudi)
Montenegro (Follow Saudi)
Netherlands (Follow Saudi)
Nigeria (Local sighting - Announced)
Norway (Follow Saudi)
Palestine (Follow Saudi)
Philippines (Follow Saudi)
Qatar (Follow Saudi)
Romania (Follow Saudi)
Russia (Follow Saudi)
Saudi Arabia (Local Sighting - Official Announcement)
Spain (Follow Saudi)
Sudan (Follow Saudi)
Sweden (Follow Saudi)
Switzerland (Follow Saudi)
Syria (Follow Saudi)
Tajikistan (Follow Saudi)
Taiwan (Follow Saudi)
Tatarstan (Follow Saudi)
Thailand (Officially Announced)
Tunisia - Criteria of age, or altitude, or sunset-moonset lag
Turkmenistan (Follow Saudi)
Turkey (Calculations)
U.A.E. (Follow Saudi)
UK (Follow Saudi) [Coordination Committee of Major Islamic Centres and Mosques of London, The central Moon Sighting Committee of Great Britain]
USA - Fiqh Council of North America/Islamic Society of North America (Calculations)
Uzbekistan (Follow Saudi)
Yemen (Follow Saudi)
The majority seems to be followers of Saudi, when they should be following the Sunnah of the Holy Prophet, and Hadees on moon sighting.

7/20/124:45 PM

Former Member

OFFICIAL 1st Day of Ramadan in Different Countries

Saturday, 21st July 2012:

*Australia (Local Sighting)

Bangladesh (Local Sighting)
Brunei (Local Sighting)
Canada (Shi'aa Community - Announced by Grand Ayatollah Hosseini Nassab)
Indonesia (30 days completion - Official Announcement)
Iraq (30 days completion - Official Announcement)
Japan (30 days completion - Ruyat-e-Hilal Committee-Japan)
Kenya (Local Sighting)
Malaysia (30 days completion) [Age > 8 hours, altitude > 2°, elongation > 3°]
Mauritius (Local Sighting)
Morocco (Local Sighting)
Namibia (30 days completion)
Oman (30 days completion, since not possible on July 19)
Pakistan (Local Sighting or 30 day completion)
South Africa (30 days completion)
Tanzania (30 days completion)
UK (30 days completion) [Wifaaqul ulama), (Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat], OR (Sighting from countries east of UK)

7/20/124:49 PM

Former Member

"Quote"

http://www.mabaig.co.uk/islam/Moon/analysis.html

There are many references in the Holy Quran regarding the moon but perhaps the most important in this context is (Surah-E-Buqrah Aya't no 185 and 189) Further references are Surah-E-Younis Aya't no 5, Surah-E-Alrahd Aya't no 2, Surah-E-Yaas Aya't no 39 and 40, Surah-E-Alzamer Aya't no 5, Sureh-E-Rehmaan Aya't no 2). To understand these references it is best to refer to the related Ahadith. There are three Ahadith on this issue, which are consistent with all the major Hadith compilations, (Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmzi etc.). And they are extremely clear and conclusive leaving nothing to doubt. One in particular stands out prominent, and I believe, this alone is enough to settle the matter beyond any doubt.

"START AND END FAST WITH THE SIGHTING OF THE MOON AND IF MOON CAN NOT BE SIGHTED ON THE 29TH (BECAUSE OF WETHER CONDITIONS ETC) THEN COUNT THE DAYS TO 30" [Bukhari & Muslim]

Now how can we defy this clear and conclusive command? How can we turn a blind eye to our prophet's (pbuh) clear-cut teachings?

7/20/124:57 PM

NehruBig Mouth Member

Bhai, With all due respect, it looks like you need a PHD to know when %Ramadhan starts.

7/20/125:25 PM

PointblankSenior Member

Originally Posted by asj:

Inshaallah, someday maybe in our lifetime, the muslim community will get the moon sighting correct.

If we have to depend on the sighting from Saudi Arabia, then we all will be committed to the fire of hell.

The blind leading the blind.

Why should we depend on SA The prophet instructed us to LOOK for the moon.

BTW since when you decides who goes to hell you playing god.

7/20/127:26 PM

Former Member

I have bad eyesight. I will never be able to see the moon. Oh, what shall I do? What shall I do?

7/20/129:20 PM

cainTired old hippie

Hope you rass like nuff heat...because heaven just ain't your destination banna.

7/20/1211:49 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by Pointblank:

Originally Posted by asj:

Inshaallah, someday maybe in our lifetime, the muslim community will get the moon sighting correct.

If we have to depend on the sighting from Saudi Arabia, then we all will be committed to the fire of hell.

The blind leading the blind.

Why should we depend on SA The prophet instructed us to LOOK for the moon.

BTW since when you decides who goes to hell you playing god.

Maybe for the same reasons those other countries are depending on SA

Soup falling in their mouth, who knows everytime when you pimp a group to go to hajj, in SA, soup falls in your mouth too.

7/21/1212:47 AM

Former Member

I hope is some good halal cow heel soup.

7/21/124:41 AM

ChiefSenior Member

Originally Posted by chameli:

To all good muslim everywhere..i wish you a most reflective and hungerfree Rojah month...Ramadan Mubarak

Thank you Cham.

7/22/1211:22 PM

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RAMADAN BEGINS ON 21st JULY IN THE CARIBBEAN

The Moon has been "C" Ramadan fast set to begin on July 20th 2012

First of the Month of Ramadan to be Saturday, July 21, 2012

OFFICIAL 1st Day of Ramadan in Different Countries

Friday, 20 July 2012:

OFFICIAL 1st Day of Ramadan in Different Countries

Saturday, 21st July 2012:

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