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To: Vishnu, Kari and all concern organizations who took part in the anti-violence rally two day ago. Your time and effort was admirable, and I thank you for leading the cause to stop hate crimes and violence in our community.

 

1) I would like to take this moment to reflect back not so long ago, that the stop point of the yearly Pagwah parade is a place called MOCA, across the tunnel at 130th Street where many Guyanese youths go for entertainments, just like Players. Unfortunately, a young man was killed by the bouncer on one unfaithful night.

 

2) I didn't see any non-violence rally that was organized for this young man. Can someone correct me on this?

 

3) Is this becoming a Guyanese trend who you chose to focus attention on?

The case of Benn Jr. political status in Guyana sets him free for beating a young woman senselessly, while others paying fines just for calling their wives dogs.

I supported the PPP openly, but on this subject, I am really pissed. 

 

4) I believe if we want true democracy in Guyana and in the Guyanese community in the diapora, we must stand up for truth and justice for all citizens and no a chosen few. 

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Originally Posted by Cobra:

To: Vishnu, Kari and all concern organizations who took part in the anti-violence rally two day ago. Your time and effort was admirable, and I thank you for leading the cause to stop hate crimes and violence in our community.

 

1) I would like to take this moment to reflect back not so long ago, that the stop point of the yearly Pagwah parade is a place called MOCA, across the tunnel at 130th Street where many Guyanese youths go for entertainments, just like Players. Unfortunately, a young man was killed by the bouncer on one unfaithful night.

 

2) I didn't see any non-violence rally that was organized for this young man. Can someone correct me on this?

 

3) Is this becoming a Guyanese trend who you chose to focus attention on?

The case of Benn Jr. political status in Guyana sets him free for beating a young woman senselessly, while others paying fines just for calling their wives dogs.

I supported the PPP openly, but on this subject, I am really pissed. 

 

4) I believe if we want true democracy in Guyana and in the Guyanese community in the diapora, we must stand up for truth and justice for all citizens and no a chosen few. 

the snake trying to shed his skin i donot think so too much bottomhouse  meeting and brainwashing 

FM



Here is RHEDC's position prior to the the Rally and during the rally



This was RHEDC's response to an attack on RHEDC from a Female member of ICA


Email to the Network.....

Young lady, you are out of order!

 
Shabana, Pritha, Rohan Sooklall, Rohan Narine and Richard were in contact with RHEDC to solicit our endorsement and input! I was never aware you are part of the organizing committee.
 
RHEDC was not invited to any meetings except on Wednesday when RHEDC had a pre-planned community wide meeting with NYC SBS, QEDC, MTA and NYC Department of Planning.
 
RHEDC is established to promote economic development and not to destroy or undermine business development in our community.
 
RHEDC specifically ask the following questions, when asked to endorse the program.
 
Question 1:-  Did the organizers approach the Player's Establishment to have a dialogue?
 
Question 2:- Did the organizers view the Video Clip of the altercation on the outside of Player's
 
Question 3:- Why was the establishment targeted, as this will hurt and even destroy this establishment?
 
RHEDC suggested to shift the focus and include the death of the 2 other youngsters who died from altercations near Ultra Level and Club Mocha.
 
RHEDC pushed for a move of venue from in front of Players to across the street and even along Liberty Ave.
 
RHEDC contact the NYPD to engage their take on this altercation.
 
RHEDC was informed by Shabana that there will be no reference to Zaman nor the Player's Restaurant and it will be about Peace, Tolerance and Harmony.
 
RHEDC asked the owner's of Player's Restaurant to hold off on the proposed Public Viewing of the Video Clip on Wednesday during the "Peace and Harmony Rally"...quoting Taij
 
At the Rally, RHEDC informed the following persons of the shift in focus:
 
1 Chuck Mohan
2 Dr Satish Prakash
3 Councilman Daniel Drumm
4 Councilman Leroy Comrie
5 Dr Dhanpaul Narine
6 Sati Gurdyal
7 Aftab Karimullah
8 Ravi and Nadi Persaud
9 Suzanne Persaud Esq.
 
If the focus was changed or there was a lack of control ( judging from likes of PRIDE and Speaker's statements or Lakshmee "Performance"). RHEDC was never informed.
 
The "Controlled Agenda" seems to have gone to the next level and now it seems that differing opinions must be SHUTOUT or DISCREDITED.
 
We are an integral part of the Richmond Hill Community and do not need your permission to protect the interest of our community.
 
RHEDC reached out to Zaman and his brother to express support and even offered our assistance  to get the Tassa Player arrested. Upon view the video, we changed our advise.
 
Please be informed that RHEDC has a long working history with Zaman and his brother Amin, Chutney Pride and many other LGBT/Q groups.
 
Warm Regards to all.
 
Vishnu Mahadeo
RHEDC - Executive Director
127-21 Liberty Ave
RH NY 11419
Vish M

What a tangled web!

 

Vishnu I like the part where you stated that your organization "RHEDC is established to promote economic development and not to destroy or undermine business development in our community."

 

My friend that is where you need to start and stop, promote economic development.

 

As I have advised you over the years, stay out of all the other "jugu fugu" including the religious and political activities in the community. 

If you do not do that then the RHEDC will fail. 

Chief

The Guyanese people and organizations who fell into this rat race of rallying for non-violence need to be more professional in their conduct. After all the political leaders and attorneys are in prison for fraud, our community organizations and local media are playing anti crime activists when their duties are stated otherwise.                                                                        

 

For the past decade, Guyanese are underrepresented because of their non-participation in the electoral system. This is one of the most important area to focus on educating and encouraging the citizens the importance of voting.                                                                          

 

As of this day, the situation on Liberty ave., has been worst rather than getting better due to police harassment and business violation among other issues. If you do a survey on every business on the stretch, every owner will tell you that there's no one representing them in anyway shape or form. This is sad day for our community. 

FM
Originally Posted by Ronald Sugrim:

This Players demonstration has shown how low some people can go to get their names out there. The lady Lakshmee lambasted Son Son of Players calling him illiterate and a bunch of other names, check out her fb page. That was not called for since the whole matter could have been resolved in a different way. 

Ronald, to the best of your knowledge, was son son involved in the skirmish?

Sheik101
Originally Posted by Sheik101:
Originally Posted by Ronald Sugrim:

This Players demonstration has shown how low some people can go to get their names out there. The lady Lakshmee lambasted Son Son of Players calling him illiterate and a bunch of other names, check out her fb page. That was not called for since the whole matter could have been resolved in a different way. 

Ronald, to the best of your knowledge, was son son involved in the skirmish?

If you stop talking people name behind them back and pay a little more attention you would know the facts by now.

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:
Originally Posted by Sheik101:
Originally Posted by Ronald Sugrim:

This Players demonstration has shown how low some people can go to get their names out there. The lady Lakshmee lambasted Son Son of Players calling him illiterate and a bunch of other names, check out her fb page. That was not called for since the whole matter could have been resolved in a different way. 

Ronald, to the best of your knowledge, was son son involved in the skirmish?

If you stop talking people name behind them back and pay a little more attention you would know the facts by now.

What the hell are you talking about? A simple question asked and you come out swinging like a fag, what's up with that? Get something straight, Jackass. I don't talk name.

Sheik101
Originally Posted by Sheik101:
Originally Posted by Cobra:
Originally Posted by Sheik101:
Originally Posted by Ronald Sugrim:

This Players demonstration has shown how low some people can go to get their names out there. The lady Lakshmee lambasted Son Son of Players calling him illiterate and a bunch of other names, check out her fb page. That was not called for since the whole matter could have been resolved in a different way. 

Ronald, to the best of your knowledge, was son son involved in the skirmish?

If you stop talking people name behind them back and pay a little more attention you would know the facts by now.

What the hell are you talking about? A simple question asked and you come out swinging like a fag, what's up with that? Get something straight, Jackass. I don't talk name.

Yet you know everything what Mr. X from 131st Street said about me, and you come here and try to lay it one me. I am disappointed at you.

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:

The Guyanese people and organizations who fell into this rat race of rallying for non-violence need to be more professional in their conduct. After all the political leaders and attorneys are in prison for fraud, our community organizations and local media are playing anti crime activists when their duties are stated otherwise.                                                                        

 

For the past decade, Guyanese are underrepresented because of their non-participation in the electoral system. This is one of the most important area to focus on educating and encouraging the citizens the importance of voting.                                                                          

 

As of this day, the situation on Liberty ave., has been worst rather than getting better due to police harassment and business violation among other issues. If you do a survey on every business on the stretch, every owner will tell you that there's no one representing them in anyway shape or form. This is sad day for our community. 

There is a simple fact to consider - Guyanese-American migrants living in the south Queens area have more non-voting members than voting-eligible members. Those who are legit migrants but are unable to vote in most elections are green-card holders. There are quite a number of undocumented migrants too.

 

For the citizens who are eligible to vote it is difficult to tell what percentage just don't vote unless you do a professional survey.

 

If you look at the socio-economic history of that area (let's call it the Richmond Hill area, encompassing Ozone Park, So. Ozone Park, Jamaica, Woodhaven in addition to Richmond Hill) from the early 80s to the present, you will find that money fueled organizations. The two biggest monied sectors were the churches (all three religions) and the Real-Estate companies. The latter included mortgage and legal services.

 

We've seen that the biggest dissonance is within the churches and the most notoriety around the law has been the Real-Estate sectors. These actors are not wise to the organized political process other than buying influence - a short-term objective with no lasting structure. In addition to legal issues, the Real-Estate meltdown that started in 2007 ate heavily into this influence.

 

We have regressed in a lot of areas that seemed promising to get us to a culture of community and political involvement. Our media sadly, has not improved. Successes in professional families migrated to suburbia. The oriental and Asian communities - larger than ours - have not distinguished themselves either. In this city, it's Jewish, Italian, Irish or Black that have been politically successful.

Kari
Originally Posted by Cobra:
Originally Posted by Sheik101:
Originally Posted by Cobra:
Originally Posted by Sheik101:
Originally Posted by Ronald Sugrim:

This Players demonstration has shown how low some people can go to get their names out there. The lady Lakshmee lambasted Son Son of Players calling him illiterate and a bunch of other names, check out her fb page. That was not called for since the whole matter could have been resolved in a different way. 

Ronald, to the best of your knowledge, was son son involved in the skirmish?

If you stop talking people name behind them back and pay a little more attention you would know the facts by now.

What the hell are you talking about? A simple question asked and you come out swinging like a fag, what's up with that? Get something straight, Jackass. I don't talk name.

Yet you know everything what Mr. X from 131st Street said about me, and you come here and try to lay it one me. I am disappointed at you.

Don't be an ass, Paul. Davo bear no ill will towards you. That man was your backbone until that sordid situation occured. so don't go there. Further, if I wanted to lay anything on you, I would do so face to face. So stop  being childish.  You ought to ashamed of yourself for thinking like that.

Sheik101
Originally Posted by raymond:

Kari

 

Lots of Guyanese Indos cyant stand another one getting up ahead of them...they hurry to bring them down...RH and surrounding area will never have a Guyanese Indo political rep...mentality is not there

I'm a lot more optimistic than that Ray. We are no different in jealousies than other immigrant groups. The first Gen was about surviving. The second gen was about bringing up children. It is the third gen - these children - that will have to take up the mantle. So far we hear about the ones that go to Rykers or kill themselves on some NY Highway. There are those who shine quietly in professions and startups.

Kari
Originally Posted by Sheik101:
Originally Posted by Ronald Sugrim:

This Players demonstration has shown how low some people can go to get their names out there. The lady Lakshmee lambasted Son Son of Players calling him illiterate and a bunch of other names, check out her fb page. That was not called for since the whole matter could have been resolved in a different way. 

Ronald, to the best of your knowledge, was son son involved in the skirmish?

From what I hear Son son was/is the one that kept asking people to view the tape. He said he had nothing to hide. But Lakshmee refused to look at it prior to the rally. She said there was no need. Only later on fb she called for the tassa guy to come forward. I don't know all the facts beyond that but Kari and Vishnu should know more and maybe others.

FM
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by raymond:

Kari

 

Lots of Guyanese Indos cyant stand another one getting up ahead of them...they hurry to bring them down...RH and surrounding area will never have a Guyanese Indo political rep...mentality is not there

I'm a lot more optimistic than that Ray. We are no different in jealousies than other immigrant groups. The first Gen was about surviving. The second gen was about bringing up children. It is the third gen - these children - that will have to take up the mantle. So far we hear about the ones that go to Rykers or kill themselves on some NY Highway. There are those who shine quietly in professions and startups.

They end up leaving RH

FM
Originally Posted by Ronald Sugrim:
Originally Posted by Sheik101:
Originally Posted by Ronald Sugrim:

This Players demonstration has shown how low some people can go to get their names out there. The lady Lakshmee lambasted Son Son of Players calling him illiterate and a bunch of other names, check out her fb page. That was not called for since the whole matter could have been resolved in a different way. 

Ronald, to the best of your knowledge, was son son involved in the skirmish?

From what I hear Son son was/is the one that kept asking people to view the tape. He said he had nothing to hide. But Lakshmee refused to look at it prior to the rally. She said there was no need. Only later on fb she called for the tassa guy to come forward. I don't know all the facts beyond that but Kari and Vishnu should know more and maybe others.

Thanks , Ronald, the reason why I asked was because I knew son son from way back when they had Palm Court on Hillside Ave. He was a humble guy and was never known to be one who would promote or provoke violence. I know he likes to sing, so, when I read that he was ridiculed by this female it naturally gave me some cause for concern.

Sheik101
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by raymond:

Kari

 

Lots of Guyanese Indos cyant stand another one getting up ahead of them...they hurry to bring them down...RH and surrounding area will never have a Guyanese Indo political rep...mentality is not there

I'm a lot more optimistic than that Ray. We are no different in jealousies than other immigrant groups. The first Gen was about surviving. The second gen was about bringing up children. It is the third gen - these children - that will have to take up the mantle. So far we hear about the ones that go to Rykers or kill themselves on some NY Highway. There are those who shine quietly in professions and startups.

Guyanese by natureare always seeking better oppertunities, they are very progressive and never remain stagnant. As of such they will not remain in Richmoidhill  but will use it as thier first choice of getting a house and then they will move on.

 

Fact of the matter many of them have already moved to Long Island.

Chief

We do have good men and women who're striving for success in the Guyanese community today. However, the old way of doing business still runs through their veins like blood. Take for example, Lakshmee. She was a young dancers when I knew her. She took her studies and did well. She took skits and drama and she did well. Her aim was to be a talk show host and she became one. Now she is getting into controversy with community affairs. There are some business that she supported that has running with the law. I really don't know where this is going. 

FM
Originally Posted by Chief:

Who is Laksmee? Never heard of her untill now.

In the interest of presenting another side to the dialog and in the case of someone whose name is mentioned as a Principal in the aftermath - Lakshmee - here is an email response from Lakshmee to Vishnu Mahadeo.

 

 

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Lakshmee Performance???? 

 

Excuse Mee?  Vishnu I'm extremely disappointed in you. 

 

You of all people who claim to care about the well being of this community? 

 

A child was almost killed and this is the fact. Lets get real here video tape or no video tape this community is anti gay. 

 

I don't have to be a fly on the wall to figure out if 20 LGBT people are inside a club that is filled with about 200 people per the police that they wouldn't be targeted and made fun of? 

 

Seriously who are u kidding? 

It's obvious that tape that is showing there was in fact a violent act at players lounge conveniently omits a piece off camera which is extremely pertinent to what set off the altercation. 

 

Why is Players lounge NOT showing video from the inside where the hate crime initiated. 

 

FIRST of all do you even know the definition of a HATE crime? 

I don't believe you do. 

Google it Vishnu! 

 

Why are you trying to cover up a business that : 

 

1. Has a disgusting rap sheet

2. Was not carding anyone to enter

3. Served beer in beer bottles

4. Was wayyyyyyy over crowded

5. Showed no sympathy for Zaman when he was bleeding infront of him and screaming for 911 for 3 minutes ...yeah I got that interview. 

 

As far as Mee speaking about Zaman I was asked to. And even if I wasn't FACT is he was busted in his head there is NO justification for this! 

 

Anyone hurt that evening was part of violence and it needs to stop. 

You should want to jump on board to STOP the murders and the killings and to help educate children on how to walk away and how it's not worth all this drama AND most importantly players and every other bar and club that wants to serve alcohol to our people should learn to be responsible THERE is NO excuse for having almost 200 people in players per the police and have only 1 bouncer. 

 

I sent you an email earlier asking you if you were on the side of PEACE or on the side of business owners breaking the law and I guess I have indirectly gotten my answer. 

 

Such a shame the violence in this community and NOT one so called community leader has stood up against it in how many years???? 

 

How many years have u been part of Richmond hill???? How many more years until you stand up for the community and say STOP killing our children!!!!!!! 

 

 

Lakshmee 

 

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Kari
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by raymond:

Kari

 

Lots of Guyanese Indos cyant stand another one getting up ahead of them...they hurry to bring them down...RH and surrounding area will never have a Guyanese Indo political rep...mentality is not there

I'm a lot more optimistic than that Ray. We are no different in jealousies than other immigrant groups. The first Gen was about surviving. The second gen was about bringing up children. It is the third gen - these children - that will have to take up the mantle. So far we hear about the ones that go to Rykers or kill themselves on some NY Highway. There are those who shine quietly in professions and startups.

Given that the USA is more open minded than it once was do you think that the 3rd generation will have sufficient of any ethnic identity, and I speak especially of its most successful members, to play the role that you suggest that they do?

 

They might melt quietly into the mainstream focusing on their own needs.

 

Check the leadership of most Caribbean groups, Indo and Afro, and you will not see the most educated and socio-economically integrated.  And this is among the FIRST generation.

 

So by the time you get to their grand kids, they might not even be living in the NY area, much less care about whats happening to those ethnic enclaves.

FM

Kari,


Since you elect to present "another side" to the dialog, there are many other responses to some of the Key Players of the "Rally". I will encourage you to continue the trend



"In the interest of presenting another side to the dialog and in the case of someone whose name is mentioned as a Principal in the aftermath - Lakshmee - here is an email response from Lakshmee to Vishnu Mahadeo."

Vish M

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