D2 posted:

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Aaah drugb ignorant as ever.  Do you know that American slave owners imported enslaved peoples from parts of West Africa because of their skill in growing rice.  Yes that famous Uncle Ben's rice. The first people involved in growing rice in Guyana were blacks, so yes cook up rice and its equivalent Jolloff rice, is "black man food".

Incorrect, rice was never prevalent in Africa. The staple was ground provisions, not rice. The white man taught the Afro's in the US how to grow rice using a technique that involved a whip.  Why you bring in the American blacks is beyond me, we are talking about cookup, a Guyanese food.

Even in Guyana, it was the Indos who first successfully grew rice in commercial quantities. The afros didn't have the know how to do it successfully,. 

Rice existed in Africa. It was planted there for some 6000 years by some accounts. I do not want to go and check but I think the indians got it only around 3000 years ago or less. But it was in africa.

I am not disputing that some form of wild rice was cultivated in Africa. In fact rice is a grass and grass grows everywhere. What is questionable is whether its foundation as a commercial crop began in Africa.  Also, not sure where you got your information of rice in Africa 6000 years ago. Please reference this article, it says China was the origin.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/rice/his...ebating-origins-rice

Drugb posted:

I am not disputing that some form of wild rice was cultivated in Africa. In fact rice is a grass and grass grows everywhere. What is questionable is whether its foundation as a commercial crop began in Africa.  Also, not sure where you got your information of rice in Africa 6000 years ago. Please reference this article, it says China was the origin.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/rice/his...ebating-origins-rice

sand dancing klown

first you holler that blackman never cultivated rice in "Africa"

then you say that the rice in "Africa" is a wild grass and not real "rice" . . . athwart facts that show rice (cereal) was DOMESTICATED in West Africa over 3,000 years ago

yes . . . in the Old World ancestral lands of Caribbean and North American Black people 

your DUNCENESS exposed, you mek a non-sequitur pivot, muttering stupidly that what you really questioning is whether "its foundation as a commercial crop began in Africa" . . . whatever that means

in truth, you "dispute" and/or "question" NOTHING! . . . you just engaging in the shakeabatty of a lifelong 4th rater

so, keep bending over, i am more than prepared to apply heavy lash to your scaly hide . . . every time

the other stuff in your post is 'hopeful' red herring distraction to save face

yaaaaawwn

Ronan you have made my day. Thanks. 

Serious question:  guys, there was a thread here yesterday about Mahdia, what happened to it? I was at a Greek wedding.

Leonora posted:

Serious question:  guys, there was a thread here yesterday about Mahdia, what happened to it? I was at a Greek wedding.

not sure

Bibi and drugb may have the answer

Leonora posted:

Serious question:  guys, there was a thread here yesterday about Mahdia, what happened to it? I was at a Greek wedding.

I deleted that thread.  What did you want to see?

Leonora posted:

Serious question:  guys, there was a thread here yesterday about Mahdia, what happened to it? I was at a Greek wedding.

A poster's name and age was posted. Before I could report it to Admin, it disappeared. The offender was not suspended; speaks volumes about discrimination.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Leonora posted:

Serious question:  guys, there was a thread here yesterday about Mahdia, what happened to it? I was at a Greek wedding.

I deleted that thread.  What did you want to see

You can't Admins have assisted.

I have created that thread, the story about Madhia recently became a town.The hate for such under the present gov't have caused you to post a photo shopped picture of a carved rock looking like a penis as the monument.Another poster chimed in about the  Cuffy monument.

It's a disgrace by some East Indians who see in these monument the penis of an an Afro,it shows the gloated minds of such individuals.They are an embarrassment to the East Indians of Guyana and across the Globe.

Drugb posted:

I am not disputing that some form of wild rice was cultivated in Africa. In fact rice is a grass and grass grows everywhere. What is questionable is whether its foundation as a commercial crop began in Africa.  Also, not sure where you got your information of rice in Africa 6000 years ago. Please reference this article, it says China was the origin.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/rice/his...ebating-origins-rice

Dude ease up. In your hastiness to be critical you made a transparently discoverable mistake. Adding the term "commercial" into your statement does not clarify. It is ugly dissimulation. Africa was using rice as a food crop for some thousands of years. Whether it was six or 3.5 thousand years it was a hell of a long time ago. I wrote extemporaneously, I will have to check how I came by the date but my error is not the point of discussion here. It is yours that you so egregiously defend constantly as if denigrating African history is always your aim.  The reality is the world has had a few civilizations and Africa stands as one of  of incomparable greatness. 

Leonora posted:

Serious question:  guys, there was a thread here yesterday about Mahdia, what happened to it? I was at a Greek wedding.

That banna really into the Baigan thingy!  It exposed some [shameful] sick inner cravings of the mentally unstable!  As the saying goes, once you went Black, you can't go back!

I was in Queens and shared it with a few persons before it was deleted, including two women.  They had their Oh My Grandma moment!! 

Baseman posted:

Leonora posted:

Serious question:  guys, there was a thread here yesterday about Mahdia, what happened to it? I was at a Greek wedding.

That banna really into the Baigan thingy!  It exposed some [shameful] sick inner cravings of the mentally unstable!  As the saying goes, once you went Black, you can't go back!

I was in Queens and shared it with a few persons before it was deleted, including two women.  They had their Oh My Grandma moment!! 

Sick minds, bhai.

Django posted:

Baseman posted:

Leonora posted:

Serious question:  guys, there was a thread here yesterday about Mahdia, what happened to it? I was at a Greek wedding.

That banna really into the Baigan thingy!  It exposed some [shameful] sick inner cravings of the mentally unstable!  As the saying goes, once you went Black, you can't go back!

I was in Queens and shared it with a few persons before it was deleted, including two women.  They had their Oh My Grandma moment!! 

Sick minds, bhai.

Intellectual authors of the PPP [not so fake] BJ 3rd-Term thrust!!!

Baseman posted:

Leonora posted:

Serious question:  guys, there was a thread here yesterday about Mahdia, what happened to it? I was at a Greek wedding.

That banna really into the Baigan thingy!  It exposed some [shameful] sick inner cravings of the mentally unstable!  As the saying goes, once you went Black, you can't go back!

I was in Queens and shared it with a few persons before it was deleted, including two women.  They had their Oh My Grandma moment!! 

You should have shared it with Dr. Bharrat Jagdeo to show him what his supporters are doing on a Guyanese site, and that such behavior will never garner PPP votes. He needs to caution them.

D2 posted:

Drugb posted:

I am not disputing that some form of wild rice was cultivated in Africa. In fact rice is a grass and grass grows everywhere. What is questionable is whether its foundation as a commercial crop began in Africa.  Also, not sure where you got your information of rice in Africa 6000 years ago. Please reference this article, it says China was the origin.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/rice/his...ebating-origins-rice

Dude ease up. In your hastiness to be critical you made a transparently discoverable mistake. Adding the term "commercial" into your statement does not clarify. It is ugly dissimulation. Africa was using rice as a food crop for some thousands of years. Whether it was six or 3.5 thousand years it was a hell of a long time ago. I wrote extemporaneously, I will have to check how I came by the date but my error is not the point of discussion here. It is yours that you so egregiously defend constantly as if denigrating African history is always your aim.  The reality is the world has had a few civilizations and Africa stands as one of  of incomparable greatness. 

If you and the sloppy boys would pay attention, you would note that I stated that rice was never prevalent in Africa.  In fact the academics agree that it was first cultivated in China. However it looks like many of you Granger brown nosers have an agenda to rush to accredit afros with the least of accomplishments even if not true. Soon you will tell us that they discovered the cure for polio.  

Drugb posted:

D2 posted:

Drugb posted:

I am not disputing that some form of wild rice was cultivated in Africa. In fact rice is a grass and grass grows everywhere. What is questionable is whether its foundation as a commercial crop began in Africa.  Also, not sure where you got your information of rice in Africa 6000 years ago. Please reference this article, it says China was the origin.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/rice/his...ebating-origins-rice

Dude ease up. In your hastiness to be critical you made a transparently discoverable mistake. Adding the term "commercial" into your statement does not clarify. It is ugly dissimulation. Africa was using rice as a food crop for some thousands of years. Whether it was six or 3.5 thousand years it was a hell of a long time ago. I wrote extemporaneously, I will have to check how I came by the date but my error is not the point of discussion here. It is yours that you so egregiously defend constantly as if denigrating African history is always your aim.  The reality is the world has had a few civilizations and Africa stands as one of  of incomparable greatness. 

If you and the sloppy boys would pay attention, you would note that I stated that rice was never prevalent in Africa.  In fact the academics agree that it was first cultivated in China. However it looks like many of you Granger brown nosers have an agenda to rush to accredit afros with the least of accomplishments even if not true. Soon you will tell us that they discovered the cure for polio.  

still trying to walk when you are on broken legs...lie to yourself if you must. What you said is above.

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Aaah drugb ignorant as ever.  Do you know that American slave owners imported enslaved peoples from parts of West Africa because of their skill in growing rice.  Yes that famous Uncle Ben's rice. The first people involved in growing rice in Guyana were blacks, so yes cook up rice and its equivalent Jolloff rice, is "black man food".

Incorrect, rice was never prevalent in Africa. The staple was ground provisions, not rice. The white man taught the Afro's in the US how to grow rice using a technique that involved a whip.  Why you bring in the American blacks is beyond me, we are talking about cookup, a Guyanese food.

Even in Guyana, it was the Indos who first successfully grew rice in commercial quantities. The afros didn't have the know how to do it successfully,. 

 Continuing to display your ignorance.  In fact the rice plantation owners WHO DID NOT KNOW HOW TO GROW RICE, specifically imported enslaved people from regions of Africa where they did know how to grow rice.   So it was these African enslaved peoples who introduced the rice growing traditions in South Carolina.

Because the conditions in these rice growing areas were harsh (very high humidity, swampy and filled with poisonous snakes) few whites lived in these areas.  And a unique Gullah Geechee culture emerged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jollof_rice

Note that Jollof rice was a dish known during the Mali empire.  You are ignorant so you need to know that the Mali empire began and in fact ended LONG BEFORE any contact with the Europeans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCd5W4gwJsI

This is about the Gullah people who emerged out of the South Carolina coastal plantations.  Because of their isolation their dialect that emerged is different from other black American dialects and in fact most Americans cannot understand it.

Around 4 minutes and 12 minutes she goes into deep Gullah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oryza_glaberrima

More for racist druggie who blows toxic fumes out of his mouth.

You will see that rice has been grown in Africa for thousands of years. A distinct species from the Asian varieties.  Of course the Asian varieties have been developed in more modern times so is now higher yielding.

D2 posted:

  

still trying to walk when you are on broken legs...lie to yourself if you must. What you said is above.

When an illiterate gets a little information that he cannot process he chats ignorance to prove that this is so.

Drugb posted:

 

I am not disputing that some form of wild rice was cultivated in Africa. In fact rice is a grass and grass grows everywhere. What is questionable is whether its foundation as a commercial crop began in Africa.  Also, not sure where you got your information of rice in Africa 6000 years ago. Please reference this article, it says China was the origin.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/rice/his...ebating-origins-rice

Your original scream was that cook up rice couldn't be "black man food" because according to you blacks knew nothing about rice before Indians arrived. 

In your simpleton ways you dont consider that one pot dishes with rice are popular among black communities from South Carolina all the way down to Brazil, so yes consumption of rice was known long before the first Indian indenture walked off the plank in British Guiana.

The rice was clearly NOT being sourced in India or China as the transportation of that era wouldn't have permitted it.  In fact rice was grown in South Carolina and elsewhere and shipped to the Caribbean slave plantations, together with salted meats and corn/wheat flour.  Ground provisions and plantains were grown in the Caribbean, hence your illogical notion that this is the only foods that blacks knew about.

In fact the African rice was of a different species than the Asian so in fact its YOU who need to thank the Chinese for their rice. Africans had domesticated the varieties that they found there. 

Given the different settlement patterns and the lower population densities Africans had no need for huge plantations as did the Indians and the Chinese.  Their economies were based on producing what they needed and buying what they couldn't produce. Their trading partners in North Africa also had rice so there was no need to sell it to them.

The issue with African vs. Asian rice is this. During the colonial era cocoa, coffee and palm oil were the commercial crops, not rice, so all of the focus on improving rice varieties that occurred under the FAO and other organizations was focused on the Asian varieties.  So today the Asian varieties are higher yielding whereas the African varieties remain relative unchanged.

D2 posted:

Drugb posted:

D2 posted:

Drugb posted:

I am not disputing that some form of wild rice was cultivated in Africa. In fact rice is a grass and grass grows everywhere. What is questionable is whether its foundation as a commercial crop began in Africa.  Also, not sure where you got your information of rice in Africa 6000 years ago. Please reference this article, it says China was the origin.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/rice/his...ebating-origins-rice

Dude ease up. In your hastiness to be critical you made a transparently discoverable mistake. Adding the term "commercial" into your statement does not clarify. It is ugly dissimulation. Africa was using rice as a food crop for some thousands of years. Whether it was six or 3.5 thousand years it was a hell of a long time ago. I wrote extemporaneously, I will have to check how I came by the date but my error is not the point of discussion here. It is yours that you so egregiously defend constantly as if denigrating African history is always your aim.  The reality is the world has had a few civilizations and Africa stands as one of  of incomparable greatness. 

If you and the sloppy boys would pay attention, you would note that I stated that rice was never prevalent in Africa.  In fact the academics agree that it was first cultivated in China. However it looks like many of you Granger brown nosers have an agenda to rush to accredit afros with the least of accomplishments even if not true. Soon you will tell us that they discovered the cure for polio.  

still trying to walk when you are on broken legs...lie to yourself if you must. What you said is above.

Don't blame me, see the link I provided, no mention of africa is made. I guess you know more than the folks at London Global university.

caribny posted:

Your original scream was that cook up rice couldn't be "black man food" because according to you blacks knew nothing about rice before Indians arrived. 

In your simpleton ways you dont consider that one pot dishes with rice are popular among black communities from South Carolina all the way down to Brazil, so yes consumption of rice was known long before the first Indian indenture walked off the plank in British Guiana.

The rice was clearly NOT being sourced in India or China as the transportation of that era wouldn't have permitted it.  In fact rice was grown in South Carolina and elsewhere and shipped to the Caribbean slave plantations, together with salted meats and corn/wheat flour.  Ground provisions and plantains were grown in the Caribbean, hence your illogical notion that this is the only foods that blacks knew about.

In fact the African rice was of a different species than the Asian so in fact its YOU who need to thank the Chinese for their rice. Africans had domesticated the varieties that they found there. 

Given the different settlement patterns and the lower population densities Africans had no need for huge plantations as did the Indians and the Chinese.  Their economies were based on producing what they needed and buying what they couldn't produce. Their trading partners in North Africa also had rice so there was no need to sell it to them.

The issue with African vs. Asian rice is this. During the colonial era cocoa, coffee and palm oil were the commercial crops, not rice, so all of the focus on improving rice varieties that occurred under the FAO and other organizations was focused on the Asian varieties.  So today the Asian varieties are higher yielding whereas the African varieties remain relative unchanged.

Never made such a scream, just questioned how rice became blackman food when it originated in China. But you will note that even the sakiwinki bird man acknowledged that cookup is a dish found across all cultures. 

rice is bad for you

Ray posted:

rice is bad for you

Uncle Ben's is ok.

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Your original scream was that cook up rice couldn't be "black man food" because according to you blacks knew nothing about rice before Indians arrived. 

In your simpleton ways you dont consider that one pot dishes with rice are popular among black communities from South Carolina all the way down to Brazil, so yes consumption of rice was known long before the first Indian indenture walked off the plank in British Guiana.

The rice was clearly NOT being sourced in India or China as the transportation of that era wouldn't have permitted it.  In fact rice was grown in South Carolina and elsewhere and shipped to the Caribbean slave plantations, together with salted meats and corn/wheat flour.  Ground provisions and plantains were grown in the Caribbean, hence your illogical notion that this is the only foods that blacks knew about.

In fact the African rice was of a different species than the Asian so in fact its YOU who need to thank the Chinese for their rice. Africans had domesticated the varieties that they found there. 

Given the different settlement patterns and the lower population densities Africans had no need for huge plantations as did the Indians and the Chinese.  Their economies were based on producing what they needed and buying what they couldn't produce. Their trading partners in North Africa also had rice so there was no need to sell it to them.

The issue with African vs. Asian rice is this. During the colonial era cocoa, coffee and palm oil were the commercial crops, not rice, so all of the focus on improving rice varieties that occurred under the FAO and other organizations was focused on the Asian varieties.  So today the Asian varieties are higher yielding whereas the African varieties remain relative unchanged.

Never made such a scream, just questioned how rice became blackman food when it originated in China. But you will note that even the sakiwinki bird man acknowledged that cookup is a dish found across all cultures. 

Never....a typical Jagdeo moment,  trying to scare Berbicians  to vote for the PPP.

When is Jagdeo going to  get Berbicians to protest against the Berbice bridge toll increase. So they can cream his ass wid BP.    

Leonora posted:

Ray posted:

rice is bad for you

Uncle Ben's is ok.

Diss dhall bai like he dhall and rice.

Baseman posted:

Diss dhall bai like he dhall and rice.

My son and his friends made that and bunjay duck, which I enjoyed. You just have to train them well so you can sit back and enjoy life. 

Drugb posted:

Don't blame me, see the link I provided, no mention of africa is made. I guess you know more than the folks at London Global university.

I think you should expand your reading and not settle for what you think confirms your prejudices.

Tola posted:

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Your original scream was that cook up rice couldn't be "black man food" because according to you blacks knew nothing about rice before Indians arrived. 

In your simpleton ways you dont consider that one pot dishes with rice are popular among black communities from South Carolina all the way down to Brazil, so yes consumption of rice was known long before the first Indian indenture walked off the plank in British Guiana.

The rice was clearly NOT being sourced in India or China as the transportation of that era wouldn't have permitted it.  In fact rice was grown in South Carolina and elsewhere and shipped to the Caribbean slave plantations, together with salted meats and corn/wheat flour.  Ground provisions and plantains were grown in the Caribbean, hence your illogical notion that this is the only foods that blacks knew about.

In fact the African rice was of a different species than the Asian so in fact its YOU who need to thank the Chinese for their rice. Africans had domesticated the varieties that they found there. 

Given the different settlement patterns and the lower population densities Africans had no need for huge plantations as did the Indians and the Chinese.  Their economies were based on producing what they needed and buying what they couldn't produce. Their trading partners in North Africa also had rice so there was no need to sell it to them.

The issue with African vs. Asian rice is this. During the colonial era cocoa, coffee and palm oil were the commercial crops, not rice, so all of the focus on improving rice varieties that occurred under the FAO and other organizations was focused on the Asian varieties.  So today the Asian varieties are higher yielding

Never....a typical Jagdeo moment,  trying to scare Berbicians  to vote for the PPP.

When is Jagdeo going to  get Berbicians to protest against the Berbice bridge toll increase. So they can cream his ass wid BP.    

It might be useful if you dress up in your best skirt and ask him. Just make sure that the buckta don't have bottom. 

D2 posted:

Drugb posted:

Don't blame me, see the link I provided, no mention of africa is made. I guess you know more than the folks at London Global university.

I think you should expand your reading and not settle for what you think confirms your prejudices.

So the folks at London Global were liars or you are just smarter?

Drugb posted:

So the folks at London Global were liars . . .?

the London Global paper is a poorly conceived red herring of yours . . . having nothing to do with the issues on the table

incredibly, it's quite possible that you may actually be too stupid to understand this

ronan posted:

Drugb posted:

So the folks at London Global were liars . . .?

the London Global paper is a poorly conceived red herring of yours . . . having nothing to do with the issues on the table

incredibly, it's quite possible that you may actually be too stupid to understand this

Go light on that bhai, scowered the internet to find one half baked article that rice have no connection to Africa, to prove his warped point.

Rice is a variation of grass, so is wheat.  How can anyone believe there was no African specie.  However, other food staples took hold in Africa.  Corn became more staple and require less water.

Baseman posted:

Rice is a variation of grass, so is wheat.  How can anyone believe there was no African specie.  However, other food staples took hold in Africa.  Corn became more staple and require less water.

Some modern day people, forgets about ancient civilization contribution to our existence. Every human on this planet past and present can be credited for food production,medicine, etc for prolonging our existence.

Look at the ole USA we are a melting pot, people with ideas and thoughts created modern things that enhance our lives at a such fast pace that is beyond the realm of imagination.Some day in the future there may be arguments who created such things first,the Western world or the Eastern world.

Some people are stuck in their ways,they are hard nuts to crack.

Damn this the longest thread for awhile on GNI, keep it going Guys and Gals.

@Django

Why do you frequently say "ole USA"? What's so special about de "ole"?

Gilbakka posted:

@Django

Why do you frequently say "ole USA"? What's so special about de "ole"?

 "ole" is reference to the ideas of  the forefathers, that make the USA to become a country with vast opportunities for peoples upliftment.

Django posted:

Damn this the longest thread for awhile on GNI, keep it going Guys and Gals.

Remember Gilly's 'Tickle your brain' thread?

African rice Oryza Glaberrima, distinct from Asian rice Oryza Sativa, was domesticated and cultivated for millennia in West Africa from the Niger Delta to the Sahel as history & science documents, see PNAS abstract here:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC138616/

the link https://www.ucl.ac.uk/rice/his...ebating-origins-rice famously provided by drugb points to offerings from a UCL project on Asian rice and it's antiquity

a red herring par for the course for our resident shakeabatty who knows no science and is somewhat unaware of his own stupidity

independent domestication timelines of Oryza Glaberrima vs. Oryza Sativa are an irrelevant scientific debate outside the scope of our discussion here

the fact that i have to belabor the obvious is bizarre

Leonora posted:

Django posted:

Damn this the longest thread for awhile on GNI, keep it going Guys and Gals.

Remember Gilly's 'Tickle your brain' thread?

That was also long, I have contributed a lot on that thread.