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VishMahabir

I notice here that some people use words (I have been keeping a list since I been on this site) like poke, chum chum, punani, sumutoo, nara, aloo, baigan, choka, dharu, roti, karaila, loli, paglee, prappa, etc

My observation is that they are primarily used by Indos (I think). I notice too that some people (non-Indos) simply don’t use them. Ronan, Iguana, etc don’t seem to use any of them. Some of them are not in a dictionary, so they are not necessarily English words. So here are my questions:

Are these words part of the Afro or Indo language they brought from Africa or India?

Are they based on the original Hindi language?

Are they “creole” words that develop over the years of mixing with Afro and Indo words?

Why does it look like one set of Guyanese use them?

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Former Member

VishMahabir posted:
I notice here that some people use words (I have been keeping a list since I been on this site) like poke, chum chum, punani, sumutoo, nara, aloo, baigan, choka, dharu, roti, karaila, loli, paglee, prappa, etc
My observation is that they are primarily used by Indos (I think). I notice too that some people (non-Indos) simply don’t use them. Ronan, Iguana, etc don’t seem to use any of them. Some of them are not in a dictionary, so they are not necessarily English words. So here are my questions:
Are these words part of the Afro or Indo language they brought from Africa or India?
Are they based on the original Hindi language?
Are they “creole” words that develop over the years of mixing with Afro and Indo words?
Why does it look like one set of Guyanese use them?

Is a good patkay you want. You had claim to know what is lolie ... can someone find that post and let’s hammer it in his kakahole.

You are fake .. who knows you probably have patacake.

10/23/188:49 AM

Former Member

Hang on Mr Vish, why single out Ronna / Iguana as not to use such words, when in fact they used worst .. you must be a Redux / iguana with another handle

10/23/188:55 AM

cainTired old hippie

Vish, I asked a question in another thread you might have missed

At what age did you migrate?

Like you, I never knew many of the words until I came on this site, it is mostly Indians who use the words such as Tawa, Belna, Luckney, Patkay and a host of others including those you mentioned because it did come from their fore parents. Some of these words could also be a bit of French, ie: Crapaud. Many of the street names are from the Dutch.

10/23/188:59 AM

VishMahabirSenior Member

Dave posted:
VishMahabir posted:
I notice here that some people use words (I have been keeping a list since I been on this site) like poke, chum chum, punani, sumutoo, nara, aloo, baigan, choka, dharu, roti, karaila, loli, paglee, prappa, etc
My observation is that they are primarily used by Indos (I think). I notice too that some people (non-Indos) simply don’t use them. Ronan, Iguana, etc don’t seem to use any of them. Some of them are not in a dictionary, so they are not necessarily English words. So here are my questions:
Are these words part of the Afro or Indo language they brought from Africa or India?
Are they based on the original Hindi language?
Are they “creole” words that develop over the years of mixing with Afro and Indo words?
Why does it look like one set of Guyanese use them?
Is a good patkay you want. You had claim to know what is lolie ... can someone find that post and let’s hammer it in his kakahole.
You are fake .. who knows you probably have patacake.

Knucklehead...why you so pizzed at the world? And why you cussin so early in the marnin?

Heres an FYI...if everyone has a "handle" here, then everybody "fake"...just like "Dave". Kapeeche?

Yes, some words I do know, but not others (which i have not heard)

Drink your cool aid and read the post again...slowly...I am asking about their origin in usage.

10/23/189:07 AM

VishMahabirSenior Member

cain posted:
Vish, I asked a question in another thread you might have missed
At what age did you migrate?
Like you, I never knew many of the words until I came on this site, it is mostly Indians who use the words such as Tawa, Belna, Luckney, Patkay and a host of others including those you mentioned because it did come from their fore parents. Some of these words could also be a bit of French, ie: Crapaud. Many of the street names are from the Dutch.

Thanks!

10/23/189:08 AM

AmralSenior Member

How about if I say me and you konkee cannot agree

10/23/189:10 AM

DjangoAdmin

I notice here that some people use words (I have been keeping a list since I been on this site) like poke, chum chum [chul chul], punani, sumutoo, nara, aloo, baigan, choka, dharu, roti, karaila, loli, paglee, prappa, etc

Kiddo, these are common words used in East Indian communities, from childhood it's heard and the English Language meanings can be derived.

Click on link below,you will find most of the words and their meanings

https://moonsammy.wordpress.co...guyanese-dictionary/

10/23/189:13 AM

VishMahabirSenior Member

Django posted:

I notice here that some people use words (I have been keeping a list since I been on this site) like poke, chum chum [chul chul], punani, sumutoo, nara, aloo, baigan, choka, dharu, roti, karaila, loli, paglee, prappa, etc

Kiddo, these are common words used in East Indian communities, from childhood it's heard and the English Language meanings can be derived.
Click on link below,you will find most of the words and their meanings
https://moonsammy.wordpress.co...guyanese-dictionary/

OK. That looks like an interesting site...will look at it later.

How can you tell which is Indian based and which is not?

10/23/189:23 AM

Former Member

VishMahabir posted:
Django posted:

I notice here that some people use words (I have been keeping a list since I been on this site) like poke, chum chum [chul chul], punani, sumutoo, nara, aloo, baigan, choka, dharu, roti, karaila, loli, paglee, prappa, etc

Kiddo, these are common words used in East Indian communities, from childhood it's heard and the English Language meanings can be derived.
Click on link below,you will find most of the words and their meanings
https://moonsammy.wordpress.co...guyanese-dictionary/
OK. That looks like an interesting site...will look at it later.
How can you tell which is Indian based and which is not?

Put on you Draaz and visit Django, he knows nuff nuff thing, he gon teach you.

10/23/189:30 AM

Former Member

Dave posted:
VishMahabir posted:
Django posted:

I notice here that some people use words (I have been keeping a list since I been on this site) like poke, chum chum [chul chul], punani, sumutoo, nara, aloo, baigan, choka, dharu, roti, karaila, loli, paglee, prappa, etc

Kiddo, these are common words used in East Indian communities, from childhood it's heard and the English Language meanings can be derived.
Click on link below,you will find most of the words and their meanings
https://moonsammy.wordpress.co...guyanese-dictionary/
OK. That looks like an interesting site...will look at it later.
How can you tell which is Indian based and which is not?
Put on you Draaz and visit Django, he knows nuff nuff thing, he gon teach you.

10/23/189:33 AM

Former Member

Dave posted:
Hang on Mr Vish, why single out Ronna / Iguana as not to use such words, when in fact they used worst .. you must be a Redux / iguana with another handle

Dis Fish dude ah fool plenty alyu on dis board. Nah me bahiya. De man is a mole and a fraud.

10/23/189:35 AM

DjangoAdmin

VishMahabir posted:
Django posted:

I notice here that some people use words (I have been keeping a list since I been on this site) like poke, chum chum [chul chul], punani, sumutoo, nara, aloo, baigan, choka, dharu, roti, karaila, loli, paglee, prappa, etc

Kiddo, these are common words used in East Indian communities, from childhood it's heard and the English Language meanings can be derived.
Click on link below,you will find most of the words and their meanings
https://moonsammy.wordpress.co...guyanese-dictionary/
OK. That looks like an interesting site...will look at it later.
How can you tell which is Indian based and which is not?

Figure it out, or you want the wild cane to be pulled out.

10/23/189:37 AM

DjangoAdmin

Dave posted:
VishMahabir posted:
Django posted:

I notice here that some people use words (I have been keeping a list since I been on this site) like poke, chum chum [chul chul], punani, sumutoo, nara, aloo, baigan, choka, dharu, roti, karaila, loli, paglee, prappa, etc

Kiddo, these are common words used in East Indian communities, from childhood it's heard and the English Language meanings can be derived.
Click on link below,you will find most of the words and their meanings
https://moonsammy.wordpress.co...guyanese-dictionary/
OK. That looks like an interesting site...will look at it later.
How can you tell which is Indian based and which is not?
Put on you Draaz and visit Django, he knows nuff nuff thing, he gon teach you.

Bhai, you is wan crude fella.

10/23/189:37 AM

Former Member

Django posted:
Dave posted:
VishMahabir posted:
Django posted:

I notice here that some people use words (I have been keeping a list since I been on this site) like poke, chum chum [chul chul], punani, sumutoo, nara, aloo, baigan, choka, dharu, roti, karaila, loli, paglee, prappa, etc

Kiddo, these are common words used in East Indian communities, from childhood it's heard and the English Language meanings can be derived.
Click on link below,you will find most of the words and their meanings
https://moonsammy.wordpress.co...guyanese-dictionary/
OK. That looks like an interesting site...will look at it later.
How can you tell which is Indian based and which is not?
Put on you Draaz and visit Django, he knows nuff nuff thing, he gon teach you.
Bhai, you is wan crude fella.

Djangy Bhaio, like you lost for words. Checkmate????

10/23/189:39 AM

cainTired old hippie

VishMahabir posted:
cain posted:
Vish, I asked a question in another thread you might have missed
At what age did you migrate?
Thanks!

So?

10/23/189:41 AM

DjangoAdmin

skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:
Put on you Draaz and visit Django, he knows nuff nuff thing, he gon teach you.
Bhai, you is wan crude fella.
Djangy Bhaio, like you lost for words. Checkmate????

Wondering if VishMahabir knows what is "Draaz" that bhai Imran thinks Django does swing that way.

10/23/189:44 AM

Former Member

Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:
Put on you Draaz and visit Django, he knows nuff nuff thing, he gon teach you.
Bhai, you is wan crude fella.
Djangy Bhaio, like you lost for words. Checkmate????
Wondering if VishMahabir knows what is "Draaz" that bhai Imran thinks Django does swing that way.

Come on. You starting to sound like Redux/Ronan/Iguana. Not too long from now, you might start calling posters antiman etc.

10/23/189:52 AM

DjangoAdmin

skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:
Put on you Draaz and visit Django, he knows nuff nuff thing, he gon teach you.
Bhai, you is wan crude fella.
Djangy Bhaio, like you lost for words. Checkmate????
Wondering if VishMahabir knows what is "Draaz" that bhai Imran thinks Django does swing that way.
Come on. You starting to sound like Redux/Ronan/Iguana. Not too long from now, you might start calling posters antiman etc.

You know i man doan do such. That's for the weaklings.

10/23/1810:05 AM

VishMahabirSenior Member

Amral posted:
How about if I say me and you konkee cannot agree

Banna,

You making this us...I feel like yall messin wid me...did one is not on Django's list.

10/23/1810:31 AM

VishMahabirSenior Member

Dave posted:
VishMahabir posted:
Django posted:

I notice here that some people use words (I have been keeping a list since I been on this site) like poke, chum chum [chul chul], punani, sumutoo, nara, aloo, baigan, choka, dharu, roti, karaila, loli, paglee, prappa, etc

Kiddo, these are common words used in East Indian communities, from childhood it's heard and the English Language meanings can be derived.
Click on link below,you will find most of the words and their meanings
https://moonsammy.wordpress.co...guyanese-dictionary/
OK. That looks like an interesting site...will look at it later.
How can you tell which is Indian based and which is not?
Put on you Draaz and visit Django, he knows nuff nuff thing, he gon teach you.

Drazz I know.

Yall should be more like Django...dont see him cussin out people out here.

Admit it...you jus happy to see me here. kiss

10/23/1810:42 AM

Former Member

VishMahabir posted:
Dave posted:
VishMahabir posted:
Django posted:

I notice here that some people use words (I have been keeping a list since I been on this site) like poke, chum chum [chul chul], punani, sumutoo, nara, aloo, baigan, choka, dharu, roti, karaila, loli, paglee, prappa, etc

Kiddo, these are common words used in East Indian communities, from childhood it's heard and the English Language meanings can be derived.
Click on link below,you will find most of the words and their meanings
https://moonsammy.wordpress.co...guyanese-dictionary/
OK. That looks like an interesting site...will look at it later.
How can you tell which is Indian based and which is not?
Put on you Draaz and visit Django, he knows nuff nuff thing, he gon teach you.
Drazz I know.
Yall should be more like Django...dont see him cussin out people out here.
Admit it...you jus happy to see me here.

Lol. Look at the love birds. Leave you in the hands of Django, heard he likes to be without clothes in his shop. Django calling you Friendooo 😊

10/23/1811:00 AM

kpHonorary Member

VishMahabir posted:
I notice here that some people use words (I have been keeping a list since I been on this site) like poke, chum chum, punani, sumutoo, nara, aloo, baigan, choka, dharu, roti, karaila, loli, paglee, prappa, etc
My observation is that they are primarily used by Indos (I think). I notice too that some people (non-Indos) simply don’t use them. Ronan, Iguana, etc don’t seem to use any of them. Some of them are not in a dictionary, so they are not necessarily English words. So here are my questions:
Are these words part of the Afro or Indo language they brought from Africa or India?
Are they based on the original Hindi language?
Are they “creole” words that develop over the years of mixing with Afro and Indo words?
Why does it look like one set of Guyanese use them?

Can I ask you a Question, Do you have a Loli?

10/23/1811:15 AM

DjangoAdmin

Dave posted:
Django, heard he likes to be without clothes in his shop.

r@$$ bhai,looks like you digging up for info on Django.

10/23/1811:20 AM

Former Member

Django posted:
Dave posted:
Django, heard he likes to be without clothes in his shop.
r@$$ bhai,looks like you digging up for info on Django.

Don’t need to bud.. you’re a good man.

10/23/1811:28 AM

VishMahabirSenior Member

kp posted:
VishMahabir posted:
I notice here that some people use words (I have been keeping a list since I been on this site) like poke, chum chum, punani, sumutoo, nara, aloo, baigan, choka, dharu, roti, karaila, loli, paglee, prappa, etc
My observation is that they are primarily used by Indos (I think). I notice too that some people (non-Indos) simply don’t use them. Ronan, Iguana, etc don’t seem to use any of them. Some of them are not in a dictionary, so they are not necessarily English words. So here are my questions:
Are these words part of the Afro or Indo language they brought from Africa or India?
Are they based on the original Hindi language?
Are they “creole” words that develop over the years of mixing with Afro and Indo words?
Why does it look like one set of Guyanese use them?
Can I ask you a Question, Do you have a Loli?

You willing to check and find out?

10/23/1811:57 AM

Former Member

VishMahabir posted:
kp posted:
VishMahabir posted:
I notice here that some people use words (I have been keeping a list since I been on this site) like poke, chum chum, punani, sumutoo, nara, aloo, baigan, choka, dharu, roti, karaila, loli, paglee, prappa, etc
My observation is that they are primarily used by Indos (I think). I notice too that some people (non-Indos) simply don’t use them. Ronan, Iguana, etc don’t seem to use any of them. Some of them are not in a dictionary, so they are not necessarily English words. So here are my questions:
Are these words part of the Afro or Indo language they brought from Africa or India?
Are they based on the original Hindi language?
Are they “creole” words that develop over the years of mixing with Afro and Indo words?
Why does it look like one set of Guyanese use them?
Can I ask you a Question, Do you have a Loli?
You willing to check and find out?

De man deh too far. He want you fuh tek out wan pitch and post am on GNI. Wah you seh deh VM?

10/23/1811:59 AM

VishMahabirSenior Member

Dave posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:
Django, heard he likes to be without clothes in his shop.
r@$$ bhai,looks like you digging up for info on Django.
Don’t need to bud.. you’re a good man.

Like yu rass skitsofrenik, bipola or what?...yu saying 2 different things about Django.

10/23/1811:59 AM

NehruBig Mouth Member

Vish, you know this term " Ker Yuh Skont Suh")):

10/23/1812:01 PM

Former Member

Nehru posted:
Vish, you know this term " Ker Yuh Skont Suh")):

I bet he doesn't know what a man banga is?

10/23/1812:03 PM

VishMahabirSenior Member

Nehru posted:
Vish, you know this term " Ker Yuh Skont Suh")):

Yes...familiar wid dat one...learn it from you...

10/23/1812:06 PM

kpHonorary Member

VishMahabir posted:
kp posted:
VishMahabir posted:
I notice here that some people use words (I have been keeping a list since I been on this site) like poke, chum chum, punani, sumutoo, nara, aloo, baigan, choka, dharu, roti, karaila, loli, paglee, prappa, etc
My observation is that they are primarily used by Indos (I think). I notice too that some people (non-Indos) simply don’t use them. Ronan, Iguana, etc don’t seem to use any of them. Some of them are not in a dictionary, so they are not necessarily English words. So here are my questions:
Are these words part of the Afro or Indo language they brought from Africa or India?
Are they based on the original Hindi language?
Are they “creole” words that develop over the years of mixing with Afro and Indo words?
Why does it look like one set of Guyanese use them?
Can I ask you a Question, Do you have a Loli?
You willing to check and find out?

You r@ss is one Batty Man . Post a pitch we can all help you decide whether it's a Loli or a Pata.

10/23/1812:10 PM

VishMahabirSenior Member

Now that some of you have let it all out...(yes, I am guilty too)

Its amazing how some of you knuckleheads can really destroy a thread with some legitimate questions with your miasmic crap...

if this is the level of discourse that takes place in Guyana then maybe Trump is right to label this backwater country as a "s---hole" country.

The sad reality is that is seems like most of you here are Indos (my guess) who got nothing better to do with their time...rather than trade barbs...better be careful, if this is the level of intelligence reflected among PPP leaders (who dont give a heave ho about Indos) in Guyana then yall better be prepared to be out of power for 28 years....without being stereotypical hers, this level of discourse adds new meaning to the statement "dem coolies deserve what dey get"

No wonder you dont see the likes of Ronan, Iguana and Carib getting in the sewer.

Admin, you should close this thread, its not going anywhere.

10/23/1812:19 PM

Former Member

VishMahabir posted:
Now that some of you have let it all out...(yes, I am guilty too)
Its amazing how some of you knuckleheads can really destroy a thread with some legitimate questions with your miasmic crap...
if this is the level of discourse that takes place in Guyana then maybe Trump is right to label this backwater country as a "s---hole" country.
The sad reality is that is seems like most of you here are Indos (my guess) who got nothing better to do with their time...rather than trade barbs...better be careful, if this is the level of intelligence reflected among PPP leaders (who dont give a heave ho about Indos) in Guyana then yall better be prepared to be out of power for 28 years....without being stereotypical hers, this level of discourse adds new meaning to the statement "dem coolies deserve what dey get"
No wonder you dont see the likes of Ronan, Iguana and Carib getting in the sewer.
Admin, you should close this thread, its not going anywhere.

Be a good sport man. It's all in good humor. Show abie de ting nah!

10/23/1812:23 PM

TolaSenior Member

Ayu tak good like abie dis.

Bhai doan feget fe milk ah cow and don pull de bubbie too hard.

10/23/1812:25 PM

cainTired old hippie

I still waiting for the answer at what age did Vish leave Guyana?

10/23/1812:27 PM

Former Member

Tola posted:
Ayu tak good like abie dis.
Bhai doan feget fe milk ah cow and don pull de bubbie too hard.

Nah farget fuh tie dem back foot wid de channa rope.

10/23/1812:28 PM

kpHonorary Member

VishMahabir posted:
Now that some of you have let it all out...(yes, I am guilty too)
Its amazing how some of you knuckleheads can really destroy a thread with some legitimate questions with your miasmic crap...
if this is the level of discourse that takes place in Guyana then maybe Trump is right to label this backwater country as a "s---hole" country.
The sad reality is that is seems like most of you here are Indos (my guess) who got nothing better to do with their time...rather than trade barbs...better be careful, if this is the level of intelligence reflected among PPP leaders (who dont give a heave ho about Indos) in Guyana then yall better be prepared to be out of power for 28 years....without being stereotypical hers, this level of discourse adds new meaning to the statement "dem coolies deserve what dey get"
No wonder you dont see the likes of Ronan, Iguana and Carib getting in the sewer.
Admin, you should close this thread, its not going anywhere.

You get your ORGASM and now you want to run.

10/23/1812:40 PM

TolaSenior Member

skeldon_man posted:
Tola posted:
Ayu tak good like abie dis.
Bhai doan feget fe milk ah cow and don pull de bubbie too hard.
Nah farget fuh tie dem back foot wid de channa rope.

Me feget de rope and de back foot knack down too many milk bucket fa me. One time de cow one foot stand in the milk bucket and will not move. Mek sure de cow will not pee while milking.

10/23/1812:49 PM

GTAnglerSenior Member

cain posted:
VishMahabir posted:
cain posted:
Vish, I asked a question in another thread you might have missed
At what age did you migrate?
Thanks!
So?

Ask am humuch year he bin when he come merica because twice he doesn't seem to understand "migrate".

10/23/1812:58 PM

cainTired old hippie

Hehe..I din't wanna doubt him but beginning to wonder

10/23/181:05 PM

Former Member

Nehru posted:
Vish, you know this term " Ker Yuh Skont Suh")):

Image result for emoticons

10/23/181:05 PM

Former Member

Amral posted:
How about if I say me and you konkee cannot agree

Perhaps he might think it is "koonsie".

10/23/181:10 PM

GTAnglerSenior Member

Amral posted:
How about if I say me and you konkee cannot agree

What deh rass, "agree"??? I know it as me an you kankee cyant boil.

10/23/181:14 PM

Former Member

VishMahabir posted:
I notice here that some people use words (I have been keeping a list since I been on this site) like poke, chum chum, punani, sumutoo, nara, aloo, baigan, choka, dharu, roti, karaila, loli, paglee, prappa, etc
My observation is that they are primarily used by Indos (I think). I notice too that some people (non-Indos) simply don’t use them. Ronan, Iguana, etc don’t seem to use any of them. Some of them are not in a dictionary, so they are not necessarily English words. So here are my questions:
Are these words part of the Afro or Indo language they brought from Africa or India?
Are they based on the original Hindi language?
Are they “creole” words that develop over the years of mixing with Afro and Indo words?
Why does it look like one set of Guyanese use them?

I have a more serious question to ask you. If you don't know these words or heard of them before, you are not from Guyana. I don't care if you leave as a child and live here for many years. My kids that are born here know these words very well because when I drop lash ah them for rass for chul-clul behavior, they remember why. You need some good trashing pun you rass too. This show-off behavior of yours is not sitting well with me.

10/23/184:05 PM

GTAnglerSenior Member

Vishmahabir, how old were you when you migrated here and where in Guyana do you purport to be from?

10/23/184:13 PM

Former Member

I think that he is from Corentyne, Berbice.

10/23/184:15 PM

Sheik101Senior Member

GTAngler posted:
Amral posted:
How about if I say me and you konkee cannot agree
What deh rass, "agree"??? I know it as me an you kankee cyant boil.

Lol. Like Amral not from Guyana either.

10/23/184:16 PM

Former Member

VishMahabir posted:
I notice here that some people use words (I have been keeping a list since I been on this site) like poke, chum chum, punani, sumutoo, nara, aloo, baigan, choka, dharu, roti, karaila, loli, paglee, prappa, etc
My observation is that they are primarily used by Indos (I think). I notice too that some people (non-Indos) simply don’t use them. Ronan, Iguana, etc don’t seem to use any of them. Some of them are not in a dictionary, so they are not necessarily English words. So here are my questions:
Are these words part of the Afro or Indo language they brought from Africa or India?
Are they based on the original Hindi language?
Are they “creole” words that develop over the years of mixing with Afro and Indo words?
Why does it look like one set of Guyanese use them?

There are some Hindi words in regular creole usage, paglee definitely one and punani another. Especially food names have entered the Guyanese/Trinidadian creole lexicon. I am not sure that prappa is a Hindi word. At least not when used by non Indians.

And in fact rural Caribbean Indians have built a dialect on a creole language base which its itself linked to the various West African pidgin English. Urban Indians speak straight Afro Caribbean creole English. So yes there has been much linguistic interchange between the two groups. Note that Creolese rides on a West African grammatical system using English as its lexicon. The English words adjusted to a West African mouth.

The amount of African (as adjusted to the Caribbean) influences in the behavior of known Indo KKK on GNI would drive most of them to suicide if they really knew what they were doing.

I have already mentioned before that over time many Caribbean Indians respond to drum music in an Afro Caribbean way.

10/23/184:52 PM

Former Member

cain posted:
, it is mostly Indians who use the words such as Tawa, Belna, Luckney, Patkay .

These are words that an urban black person most likely wouldn't know though those in the rural areas likely would.

10/23/184:55 PM

Former Member

VishMahabir posted:

Admin, you should close this thread, its not going anywhere.

Please don't. Just tell idle people to shut up if they have nothing to say.

This topic is of interest. For instance I have always wondered why Guyanese say "bai" (boy) instead of "bwai".

One characteristic that I note with both Africans and Indians (the real ones not the fake Caribbean ones) is the use of "auntie/uncle" to address on older person who is a close acquaintance, but not a blood relative of the family.

This is also the pattern in the Caribbean and it confuses many non Caribbean people.

I find that Guyanese don't talk enough about the origins of our culture. One fact that needs to be understood is even though the two groups didn't trust each other they lived side by side so had great impact on each other. So all Guyanese use channa, and every Guyanese knows aloo. I think that the Hindi influence in mainstream Guyanese creolese is especially visible in food items.

10/23/185:04 PM

PrashadSenior Member

Every black person in Berbice knows what a tawa and belna is.

10/23/185:05 PM

DjangoAdmin

caribny posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Admin, you should close this thread, its not going anywhere.
One fact that needs to be understood is even though the two groups didn't trust each other they lived side by side so had great impact on each other.

That's true in the Countryside, my neighboring village is Afro we get along fine, sometimes we go for a drink at the bars, same they will do in our village.

10/23/186:10 PM

MitwahSenior Member

Vish, yuh eva eat wan butta flap?

10/23/188:01 PM

cainTired old hippie

Mitwah posted:
Vish, yuh eva eat wan butta flap?

'specially if it warm...or hot.

10/23/1810:22 PM

TolaSenior Member

cain posted:
Mitwah posted:
Vish, yuh eva eat wan butta flap?
'specially if it warm...or hot.

Alyu confusing Vish. De bhai getting overwhelmed with all de Guyana talk like abie dis.

10/23/1810:35 PM

ballSenior Member

butta flap and fried banga mary wash down wid mauby fo bambye after lunch

10/24/182:01 AM

MitwahSenior Member

ball posted:
butta flap and fried banga mary wash down wid mauby fo bambye after lunch

Yuh confusing Vish. De Butta Flap meh talking about na sell ah cake shap.

Bannaz, Vish is no Packoo.

10/24/187:25 AM

Former Member

GTAngler posted:
Amral posted:
How about if I say me and you konkee cannot agree
What deh rass, "agree"??? I know it as me an you kankee cyant boil.

I remember Dad long ago mixing the ingredients into a paste, putting it in banana leaves, wrapping the leaves into 2"x2" squares and tying them with twine, then boiling them in a large pot. Delicious!

10/24/188:46 AM

DjangoAdmin

Leonora posted:
GTAngler posted:
Amral posted:
How about if I say me and you konkee cannot agree
What deh rass, "agree"??? I know it as me an you kankee cyant boil.
I remember Dad long ago mixing the ingredients into a paste, putting it in banana leaves, wrapping the leaves into 2"x2" squares and tying them with twine, then boiling them in a large pot. Delicious!

That was good treat for us as kids, my mom will always make for us.

Have you ever had Chanchee added with sugar,Chanchee is the by product of making Ghee and Coconut oil.That's another treat.

Haven't have for awhile, will have to make some, banana leaves selling in the stores in my neck of the woods.

Watch how Vish will ask what is "Chanchee"

10/24/188:51 AM

cainTired old hippie

Leonora posted:
I remember Dad long ago mixing the ingredients into a paste, putting it in banana leaves, wrapping the leaves into 2"x2" squares and tying them with twine, then boiling them in a large pot. Delicious!

I tried making some but instead of using leaves which I couldn't get I baked it in a pyrex dish.

10/24/188:52 AM

DjangoAdmin

cain posted:
Leonora posted:
I remember Dad long ago mixing the ingredients into a paste, putting it in banana leaves, wrapping the leaves into 2"x2" squares and tying them with twine, then boiling them in a large pot. Delicious!
I tried making some but instead of using leaves which I couldn't get I baked it in a pyrex dish.

The banana leaves gives it that special flavor.

Spanish and Indian stores selling banana leaves,check it out.

10/24/188:57 AM

Former Member

Django posted:

That was good treat for us as kids, my mom will always make for us.
Have you ever had Chanchee added with sugar,Chanchee is the by product of making Ghee and Coconut oil.That's another treat.
Haven't have for awhile, will have to make some, banana leaves selling in the stores in my neck of the woods.
Watch how Vish will ask what is "Chanchee"

Loved Chanchee!

10/24/189:35 AM

MarsSenior Member

I don’t know half of the words that country folks use and many of them I only learned by seeing them mentioned here on GNI. I wouldn’t expect Vish to be familiar with those words if he left Guyana at a young age.

10/24/189:52 AM

MitwahSenior Member

cain posted:
Leonora posted:
I remember Dad long ago mixing the ingredients into a paste, putting it in banana leaves, wrapping the leaves into 2"x2" squares and tying them with twine, then boiling them in a large pot. Delicious!
I tried making some but instead of using leaves which I couldn't get I baked it in a pyrex dish.

Freshco sells the leaves where you find the Indian frozen veggies. I get it also at the Chinese grocers here.

10/24/1810:08 AM

DjangoAdmin

Mars posted:
I don’t know half of the words that country folks use and many of them I only learned by seeing them mentioned here on GNI. I wouldn’t expect Vish to be familiar with those words if he left Guyana at a young age.

You is a town boy, so them words would not be in your vocabulary.

Guyana is a unique country when it come to usage of the local words,every County have their own local language and can be identified.

While there i was able to visit the other two Counties,stayed in Essequibo for awhile and had vacations at my aunt in Black Bush Polder,that was during my teenage years.In my adult life traveled the whole of Berbice on the main highway and the three major island in the Essequibo River.Demerara was my home town,travelled all over,except Linden.

10/24/1810:11 AM

MitwahSenior Member

Mars posted:
I don’t know half of the words that country folks use and many of them I only learned by seeing them mentioned here on GNI. I wouldn’t expect Vish to be familiar with those words if he left Guyana at a young age.

me thinks he was wan lil dugla bacha.

Dugla is from hindi word doogalaa meaning many, much or mixed. Bacha in hindi means "child".

10/24/1810:13 AM

Former Member

I never knew what was Pepperpot until I saw it mentioned on GNI few years ago. My villagers never cooked it because we felt it was sacrilegious to mix up meats!

10/24/1810:16 AM

DjangoAdmin

Leonora posted:
I never knew what was Pepperpot until I saw it mentioned on GNI few years ago. My villagers never cooked it because we felt it was sacrilegious to mix up meats!

That's Amerindian dish.The other population copied and made their own concoction.

Souse and black pudding are African and of course other dishes.

10/24/1810:33 AM

Former Member

VishMahabir posted:

if this is the level of discourse that takes place in Guyana then maybe Trump is right to label this backwater country as a "s---hole" country.
The sad reality is that is seems like most of you here are Indos (my guess) who got nothing better to do with their time...rather than trade barbs...better be careful, if this is the level of intelligence reflected among PPP leaders (who dont give a heave ho about Indos) in Guyana then yall better be prepared to be out of power for 28 years....without being stereotypical hers, this level of discourse adds new meaning to the statement "dem coolies deserve what dey get"
No wonder you dont see the likes of Ronan, Iguana and Carib getting in the sewer.
Admin, you should close this thread, its not going anywhere.

KP asking if you have a penis. Skeldon man want to see a picture of it. "Dave" fantasizing about Django widout he clothes. Yugli man reading and dribbling, he imagination running wild with all of the above. Grown "men" with tendencies to buggery, all of them Indian, but they are NOT representative of all Indians. These are what would be called "country coolies" in Guyana, particularly by Indians in Georgetown.

Urban Indians like the ones from Georgetown are more sophisticated and mix more liberally with other races, cook and eat other than Indian foods, etc. They are more open to other races, music and cultures, and have a mixture of friends from other races much to the chagrin of the "country coolies" like Yugli and he crew. These urban Indians are often vilified by the "country coolie" types and referred to as "town coolies", "N.....r lovers" and suh on by Indians from the country.

Re the buggery thing - I've read where this practice may have its roots on the ships from India which lacked women. You certainly don't see Indians from India so wrapped up in buggery like ah we Guyanese Indian pals from the countryside. Note yuh pal Nehru MANY offers to "bugger" those he disagrees with. It is in every conversation on this board where Skeldon, KP, Yugli, Dave etc. participate.

So don't paint all Indians like you did. There is a difference between urban and country Indians. It's part of the cultural differences in Guyana, though yuh gon hearing nuff wailing and screaming about this.

Now, there is similiar among Guyanese blacks, but it is not location based. It is economic based. Bourgeois blacks versus common blacks. "Elite" blacks like Granger, Trotman, etc. versus the more "common" blacks. Suh we have it too (minus the buggery). More class based than location based.

A lil "education" fuh you on yuh homeland. Use it wisely. And doant tun yuh back pon de crew above.

10/24/1810:47 AM

MarsSenior Member

Django posted:
Leonora posted:
I never knew what was Pepperpot until I saw it mentioned on GNI few years ago. My villagers never cooked it because we felt it was sacrilegious to mix up meats!
That's Amerindian dish.The other population copied and made their own concoction.
Souse and black pudding are African and of course other dishes.

Black pudding is European. They call it blood sausage. There are variations of blood sausage in many European countries. I think we got the Scottish version in Guyana. Not sure where souse originated.

10/24/1810:50 AM

Former Member

Mars posted:
Django posted:
Leonora posted:
I never knew what was Pepperpot until I saw it mentioned on GNI few years ago. My villagers never cooked it because we felt it was sacrilegious to mix up meats!
That's Amerindian dish.The other population copied and made their own concoction.
Souse and black pudding are African and of course other dishes.
Black pudding is European. There are variations of blood pudding in many European countries. I think we got the Scottish version in Guyana. Not sure where souse originated.

Correct. Spaniards call it Morcilla. I think souse has european origins too.

10/24/1810:55 AM

DjangoAdmin

Mars posted:
Django posted:
Leonora posted:
I never knew what was Pepperpot until I saw it mentioned on GNI few years ago. My villagers never cooked it because we felt it was sacrilegious to mix up meats!
That's Amerindian dish.The other population copied and made their own concoction.
Souse and black pudding are African and of course other dishes.
Black pudding is European. There are variations of blood pudding in many European countries. I think we got the Scottish version in Guyana. Not sure where souse originated.

Thanks for the correction, we learning.Appears the Africans in Guyana copied from the Scottish.

10/24/1811:00 AM

Former Member

I've never eaten Black pudding. At a Kangan in Guyana (next day wedding feast), the guys were given this as a Cutter while drinking, a guy vomited and was very ill after that.

10/24/1811:12 AM

MarsSenior Member

Iguana posted:
Mars posted:
Django posted:
Leonora posted:
I never knew what was Pepperpot until I saw it mentioned on GNI few years ago. My villagers never cooked it because we felt it was sacrilegious to mix up meats!
That's Amerindian dish.The other population copied and made their own concoction.
Souse and black pudding are African and of course other dishes.
Black pudding is European. There are variations of blood pudding in many European countries. I think we got the Scottish version in Guyana. Not sure where souse originated.
Correct. Spaniards call it Morcilla. I think souse has european origins too.

Yes, my Puerto Rican friend had some Morcilla at one of his parties and they must have gotten it from the Spaniards. Souse is probably European too from the days when there was no refrigeration and they pickled the meat to keep it from spoiling.

10/24/1811:21 AM

kpHonorary Member

Iguana posted:
VishMahabir posted:

if this is the level of discourse that takes place in Guyana then maybe Trump is right to label this backwater country as a "s---hole" country.
The sad reality is that is seems like most of you here are Indos (my guess) who got nothing better to do with their time...rather than trade barbs...better be careful, if this is the level of intelligence reflected among PPP leaders (who dont give a heave ho about Indos) in Guyana then yall better be prepared to be out of power for 28 years....without being stereotypical hers, this level of discourse adds new meaning to the statement "dem coolies deserve what dey get"
No wonder you dont see the likes of Ronan, Iguana and Carib getting in the sewer.
Admin, you should close this thread, its not going anywhere.
KP asking if you have a penis. Skeldon man want to see a picture of it. "Dave" fantasizing about Django widout he clothes. Yugli man reading and dribbling, he imagination running wild with all of the above. Grown "men" with tendencies to buggery, all of them Indian, but they are NOT representative of all Indians. These are what would be called "country coolies" in Guyana, particularly by Indians in Georgetown.
Urban Indians like the ones from Georgetown are more sophisticated and mix more liberally with other races, cook and eat other than Indian foods, etc. They are more open to other races, music and cultures, and have a mixture of friends from other races much to the chagrin of the "country coolies" like Yugli and he crew. These urban Indians are often vilified by the "country coolie" types and referred to as "town coolies", "N.....r lovers" and suh on by Indians from the country.
Re the buggery thing - I've read where this practice may have its roots on the ships from India which lacked women. You certainly don't see Indians from India so wrapped up in buggery like ah we Guyanese Indian pals from the countryside. Note yuh pal Nehru MANY offers to "bugger" those he disagrees with. It is in every conversation on this board where Skeldon, KP, Yugli, Dave etc. participate.
So don't paint all Indians like you did. There is a difference between urban and country Indians. It's part of the cultural differences in Guyana, though yuh gon hearing nuff wailing and screaming about this.
Now, there is similiar among Guyanese blacks, but it is not location based. It is economic based. Bourgeois blacks versus common blacks. "Elite" blacks like Granger, Trotman, etc. versus the more "common" blacks. Suh we have it too (minus the buggery). More class based than location based.
A lil "education" fuh you on yuh homeland. Use it wisely. And doant tun yuh back pon de crew above.

Why don't you PM Vish and help him with his many problems. You are suggesting to be a Bourgeois Black, in other words Town Man don't know about Buggery. Pretty Boy Reptile, when you shit ,you don't use your hand to wipe your ass, well all of us do the same. So don't come here and profess to be a choir boy, primp and proper.

Look it up , Vish asked about Loli and I asked him in kind. Never used the word Penis.

10/24/1811:23 AM

Former Member

Leonora posted:
I've never eaten Black pudding. At a Kangan in Guyana (next day wedding feast), the guys were given this as a Cutter while drinking and a guy vomited and was so sick after that.

The best black pudding and souse i had is from Buxton line top.

10/24/1811:25 AM

DjangoAdmin

Dave posted:
Leonora posted:
I've never eaten Black pudding. At a Kangan in Guyana (next day wedding feast), the guys were given this as a Cutter while drinking and a guy vomited and was so sick after that.
The best black pudding and souse i had is from Buxton line top.

Bhai, Afros are the best to prepare the two dishes.

One of our villager an Afro was good at preparing the two.

10/24/1811:31 AM

Former Member

Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936) was an India-born English writer. Many of his stories are set in India during the British Raj. In these stories there are British soldiers that include Scotsmen. Kipling captures their speech well in the characters' dialogues. And that gave me an insight into Guyana creolese origins.

Many overseers in the Guyana plantations were Scotsmen who didn't speak standard English. Slaves and indentured labourers listened to those Scotsmen and copied their pronunciations.

Here is a sample which I've taken from Kipling's Indian tales: "at wan gulp" for "at one gulp"/ "av" for "of"/ "bleddy" for "bloody"/ "wid" for "with"/ "conduck" for "conduct"/ "bekaze" for "because"/ "meself" for "myself"/ "will larn you a lesson" for "will teach you a lesson", etc.

10/24/1811:33 AM

MitwahSenior Member

Leonora posted:
I've never eaten Black pudding. At a Kangan in Guyana (next day wedding feast), the guys were given this as a Cutter while drinking, a guy vomited and was very ill after that.

You can't put good things in a bad stomach. Ask Nehru deh.

10/24/1811:36 AM

Former Member

Hey Gil, I heard some Irish people conversing, then turned around to give them a second look because it sounded like Guyanese Creole.

10/24/1811:39 AM

Former Member

Iguana posted:
Mars posted:
Django posted:
Leonora posted:
I never knew what was Pepperpot until I saw it mentioned on GNI few years ago. My villagers never cooked it because we felt it was sacrilegious to mix up meats!
That's Amerindian dish.The other population copied and made their own concoction.
Souse and black pudding are African and of course other dishes.
Black pudding is European. There are variations of blood pudding in many European countries. I think we got the Scottish version in Guyana. Not sure where souse originated.
Correct. Spaniards call it Morcilla. I think souse has european origins too.

What the hell is souse?

Gilbakka posted:
Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936) was an India-born English writer. Many of his stories are set in India during the British Raj. In these stories there are British soldiers that include Scotsmen. Kipling captures their speech well in the characters' dialogues. And that gave me an insight into Guyana creolese origins.
Many overseers in the Guyana plantations were Scotsmen who didn't speak standard English. Slaves and indentured labourers listened to those Scotsmen and copied their pronunciations.
Here is a sample which I've taken from Kipling's Indian tales: "at wan gulp" for "at one gulp"/ "av" for "of"/ "bleddy" for "bloody"/ "wid" for "with"/ "conduck" for "conduct"/ "bekaze" for "because"/ "meself" for "myself"/ "will larn you a lesson" for "will teach you a lesson", etc.

Interesting.

10/24/1811:39 AM

MitwahSenior Member

Gilbakka posted:
Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936) was an India-born English writer. Many of his stories are set in India during the British Raj. In these stories there are British soldiers that include Scotsmen. Kipling captures their speech well in the characters' dialogues. And that gave me an insight into Guyana creolese origins.
Many overseers in the Guyana plantations were Scotsmen who didn't speak standard English. Slaves and indentured labourers listened to those Scotsmen and copied their pronunciations.
Here is a sample which I've taken from Kipling's Indian tales: "at wan gulp" for "at one gulp"/ "av" for "of"/ "bleddy" for "bloody"/ "wid" for "with"/ "conduck" for "conduct"/ "bekaze" for "because"/ "meself" for "myself"/ "will larn you a lesson" for "will teach you a lesson", etc.

Some Newfies speak like Guyanese. Their Scottish background might be it.

10/24/1811:39 AM

Former Member

Leonora posted:
Hey Gil, I heard some Irish people conversing, then turned around to give them a second look because it sounded like Guyanese Creole.

Likely Scottish. My grandfather used to tell us that a lot of the plantation overseers and whites in Guyana were mostly Scottish. He was a teacher and had a lot of contact with them.

10/24/1812:13 PM

Former Member

Mars posted:
Iguana posted:
Mars posted:
Django posted:
Leonora posted:
I never knew what was Pepperpot until I saw it mentioned on GNI few years ago. My villagers never cooked it because we felt it was sacrilegious to mix up meats!
That's Amerindian dish.The other population copied and made their own concoction.
Souse and black pudding are African and of course other dishes.
Black pudding is European. There are variations of blood pudding in many European countries. I think we got the Scottish version in Guyana. Not sure where souse originated.
Correct. Spaniards call it Morcilla. I think souse has european origins too.
Yes, my Puerto Rican friend had some Morcilla at one of his parties and they must have gotten it from the Spaniards. Souse is probably European too from the days when there was no refrigeration and they pickled the meat to keep it from spoiling.

Yes. Spanish also have a version of souse. Note the kind of meat used in souse, basically throw away parts - ears, feet, etc. Affordable for the poorer population who are more likely to be migrants to the Caribbean. Garlic pork definitely came from Portugese migrants as did Cheese Straws.

10/24/1812:20 PM

Former Member

Leonora posted:
I remember Dad long ago mixing the ingredients into a paste, putting it in banana leaves, wrapping the leaves into 2"x2" squares and tying them with twine, then boiling them in a large pot. Delicious!

Konkee. I think the Amerindians used to put the banana leaf squares into a hole in the ground with coals around it. That is real old fashioned Guyanese stuff. Spanish people also make it. They call it Pasteles. Ricans boil it. Dominicans fry it.

10/24/1812:24 PM

Former Member

Leonora posted:
I've never eaten Black pudding. At a Kangan in Guyana (next day wedding feast), the guys were given this as a Cutter while drinking, a guy vomited and was very ill after that.

If you are a hindu this is strictly forbidden. Has cow blood in it. He vomit because he ass musta bin too dam drunk.

10/24/1812:28 PM

Former Member

kp posted:

Look it up , Vish asked about Loli and I asked him in kind. Never used the word Penis.

You asked about the man's dick. That is fcking GAY!!!! You (KP), Skeldon Man, Dave, Nehru, and de Yugli man gat one common trait in addition to yuh love fuh de PPP. Y'all love to talk about man dick / loli / penis or whateva yuh want call it, buggery and gay shit.

Nehru start a whole thread to discuss the size and shape of Trump's dick and de usual cast of characters come dribbling and running fuh talk about it. Sick shit!

Grown ass man like you with accomplished professional kids who would be embarassed to know what you goin' on wid hay. Every damn thread hay polluted with gay shit. And that's not even including Keffer and Prashad and they lil mental jam lolo sessions on every thread.

Y'all are a freaking sick bunch of Indians!!!!! NO other person hay behaves like that!

10/24/1812:41 PM

Former Member

Iguana posted:
Leonora posted:
I've never eaten Black pudding. At a Kangan in Guyana (next day wedding feast), the guys were given this as a Cutter while drinking, a guy vomited and was very ill after that.
If you are a hindu this is strictly forbidden. Has cow blood in it. He vomit because he ass musta bin too dam drunk.

He was very drunk and vomited so much that we thought he was dying.

Don't know if I told you: your writing seems so familiar. Come on, fess up Guana Banna, who are you?

10/24/1812:51 PM

cainTired old hippie

Iguana posted:
VishMahabir posted:

if this is the level of discourse that takes place in Guyana then maybe Trump is right to label this backwater country as a "s---hole" country.
The sad reality is that is seems like most of you here are Indos (my guess) who got nothing better to do with their time...rather than trade barbs...better be careful, if this is the level of intelligence reflected among PPP leaders (who dont give a heave ho about Indos) in Guyana then yall better be prepared to be out of power for 28 years....without being stereotypical hers, this level of discourse adds new meaning to the statement "dem coolies deserve what dey get"
No wonder you dont see the likes of Ronan, Iguana and Carib getting in the sewer.
Admin, you should close this thread, its not going anywhere.
KP asking if you have a penis. Skeldon man want to see a picture of it. "Dave" fantasizing about Django widout he clothes. Yugli man reading and dribbling, he imagination running wild with all of the above. Grown "men" with tendencies to buggery, all of them Indian, but they are NOT representative of all Indians. These are what would be called "country coolies" in Guyana, particularly by Indians in Georgetown.
Urban Indians like the ones from Georgetown are more sophisticated and mix more liberally with other races, cook and eat other than Indian foods, etc. They are more open to other races, music and cultures, and have a mixture of friends from other races much to the chagrin of the "country coolies" like Yugli and he crew. These urban Indians are often vilified by the "country coolie" types and referred to as "town coolies", "N.....r lovers" and suh on by Indians from the country.
Re the buggery thing - I've read where this practice may have its roots on the ships from India which lacked women. You certainly don't see Indians from India so wrapped up in buggery like ah we Guyanese Indian pals from the countryside. Note yuh pal Nehru MANY offers to "bugger" those he disagrees with. It is in every conversation on this board where Skeldon, KP, Yugli, Dave etc. participate.
So don't paint all Indians like you did. There is a difference between urban and country Indians. It's part of the cultural differences in Guyana, though yuh gon hearing nuff wailing and screaming about this.
Now, there is similiar among Guyanese blacks, but it is not location based. It is economic based. Bourgeois blacks versus common blacks. "Elite" blacks like Granger, Trotman, etc. versus the more "common" blacks. Suh we have it too (minus the buggery). More class based than location based.
A lil "education" fuh you on yuh homeland. Use it wisely. And doant tun yuh back pon de crew above.

...and there we have it all wrapped up in a nice package.

10/24/181:01 PM

GTAnglerSenior Member

Iguana posted:
Leonora posted:
I've never eaten Black pudding. At a Kangan in Guyana (next day wedding feast), the guys were given this as a Cutter while drinking, a guy vomited and was very ill after that.
If you are a hindu this is strictly forbidden. Has cow blood in it. He vomit because he ass musta bin too dam drunk.

Different versions. Some with pig blood and pig runners (intestines), cow blood/intestines, sheep blood/intestines and also some with no blood called white pudding.

10/24/181:34 PM

kpHonorary Member

Iguana posted:
kp posted:

Look it up , Vish asked about Loli and I asked him in kind. Never used the word Penis.
You asked about the man's dick. That is fcking GAY!!!! You (KP), Skeldon Man, Dave, Nehru, and de Yugli man gat one common trait in addition to yuh love fuh de PPP. Y'all love to talk about man dick / loli / penis or whateva yuh want call it, buggery and gay shit.
Nehru start a whole thread to discuss the size and shape of Trump's dick and de usual cast of characters come dribbling and running fuh talk about it. Sick shit!
Grown ass man like you with accomplished professional kids who would be embarassed to know what you goin' on wid hay. Every damn thread hay polluted with gay shit. And that's not even including Keffer and Prashad and they lil mental jam lolo sessions on every thread.
Y'all are a freaking sick bunch of Indians!!!!! NO other person hay behaves like that!

This site is not meant for you, you should try posting on the Religion Forum. It was OK for you to talk about Black Pudding, that's a code word for a Black man's dick, If this shit bother you, don't read it , just move on to Social or Religion. I guess you so Straight, you never had Sex.

10/24/182:25 PM

Former Member

Django posted:
caribny posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Admin, you should close this thread, its not going anywhere.
One fact that needs to be understood is even though the two groups didn't trust each other they lived side by side so had great impact on each other.
That's true in the Countryside, my neighboring village is Afro we get along fine, sometimes we go for a drink at the bars, same they will do in our village.

As I keep on saying the problem in Guyana isnt at the individual level. It is at the group level. Blacks dont trust Indians to lead the nation and Indians dont trust blacks to do so. This is because of the fact that they dont expect such leadership to be fair. I will add that the Indian leaders who are distrusted by blacks aren't just the PPP but also the Indian tycoons who dominate the private sector, even at DDL where I have heard reports of anti black racism.

10/24/182:40 PM

Former Member

kp posted:
It was OK for you to talk about Black Pudding, that's a code word for a Black man's dick,

....WHAT?????!!!!!!! Suh black pudding, de Guyanese delicacy widely consumed by all races when dey drinking likka is a "code word for black man's dick"???????? LMFAO.

Dude, you are nothing but an old fag. Your wife should hide every cylindrical object in the house lest you molest yuh old self LMFAO!!!!!!

10/24/182:52 PM

MarsSenior Member

Iguana posted:
kp posted:
It was OK for you to talk about Black Pudding, that's a code word for a Black man's dick,
....WHAT?????!!!!!!! Suh black pudding, de Guyanese delicacy widely consumed by all races when dey drinking likka is a "code word for black man's dick"???????? LMFAO.
Dude, you are nothing but an old fag. Your wife should hide every cylindrical object in the house lest you molest yuh old self LMFAO!!!!!!

Hahaha. Me never laugh so much. If that’s what the man fantasizes about when he’s eating black pudding, who are you to deny him his fun?

10/24/182:56 PM

Former Member

Mars posted:
Iguana posted:
kp posted:
It was OK for you to talk about Black Pudding, that's a code word for a Black man's dick,
....WHAT?????!!!!!!! Suh black pudding, de Guyanese delicacy widely consumed by all races when dey drinking likka is a "code word for black man's dick"???????? LMFAO.
Dude, you are nothing but an old fag. Your wife should hide every cylindrical object in the house lest you molest yuh old self LMFAO!!!!!!
Hahaha. Me never laugh so much. If that’s what the man fantasizes about when he’s eating black pudding, who are you to deny him his fun?

I was in a restaurant and laughed so much, everyone said they wanted what I was having.

10/24/183:05 PM

Former Member

Mars posted:
Iguana posted:
kp posted:
It was OK for you to talk about Black Pudding, that's a code word for a Black man's dick,
....WHAT?????!!!!!!! Suh black pudding, de Guyanese delicacy widely consumed by all races when dey drinking likka is a "code word for black man's dick"???????? LMFAO.
Dude, you are nothing but an old fag. Your wife should hide every cylindrical object in the house lest you molest yuh old self LMFAO!!!!!!
Hahaha. Me never laugh so much. If that’s what the man fantasizes about when he’s eating black pudding, who are you to deny him his fun?

Banna ah don't tink KP know what black pudding is. He doan know is actually something people in Guyana eat. Skeleton Man was asking me what is souse! Dese guys didn't get out much. LMBO!

10/24/183:06 PM

Former Member

Leonora posted:
Mars posted:
Iguana posted:
kp posted:
It was OK for you to talk about Black Pudding, that's a code word for a Black man's dick,
....WHAT?????!!!!!!! Suh black pudding, de Guyanese delicacy widely consumed by all races when dey drinking likka is a "code word for black man's dick"???????? LMFAO.
Dude, you are nothing but an old fag. Your wife should hide every cylindrical object in the house lest you molest yuh old self LMFAO!!!!!!
Hahaha. Me never laugh so much. If that’s what the man fantasizes about when he’s eating black pudding, who are you to deny him his fun?
I was in a restaurant and laughed so much, everyone said they wanted what I was having.

Don't tell dem yuh having black pudding! Dem might misunderstand like KP!

10/24/183:07 PM

GTAnglerSenior Member

Iguana posted:
Mars posted:
Iguana posted:
kp posted:
It was OK for you to talk about Black Pudding, that's a code word for a Black man's dick,
....WHAT?????!!!!!!! Suh black pudding, de Guyanese delicacy widely consumed by all races when dey drinking likka is a "code word for black man's dick"???????? LMFAO.
Dude, you are nothing but an old fag. Your wife should hide every cylindrical object in the house lest you molest yuh old self LMFAO!!!!!!
Hahaha. Me never laugh so much. If that’s what the man fantasizes about when he’s eating black pudding, who are you to deny him his fun?
Banna ah don't tink KP know what black pudding is. He doan know is actually something people in Guyana eat. Skeleton Man was asking me what is souse! Dese guys didn't get out much. LMBO!

Tried making souse with chicken feet the other day. Must have missed a step. Friggin thing came out tasteless. Then again was a Trini recipe. Back to meh Guyanese Cook Book.

10/24/183:18 PM

kpHonorary Member

This thread started by Vish and one of the words he does not know was Loli. Well how this conversation swayed to Black Pudding and who are you to question my opinion, I lived in G/T and in WCD , yes you can call me old and I know what I am saying and it doesn't mean I am wrong. I frequently purchase Black Pudding from Norman Sue Bakery in Toronto. I say what I know for a fact it may not be politically correct.

10/24/183:20 PM

GTAnglerSenior Member

Mitwah posted:
Mars posted:
I don’t know half of the words that country folks use and many of them I only learned by seeing them mentioned here on GNI. I wouldn’t expect Vish to be familiar with those words if he left Guyana at a young age.
me thinks he was wan lil dugla bacha.
Dugla is from hindi word doogalaa meaning many, much or mixed. Bacha in hindi means "child".

Well we can't doubt or confirm who or what he is since he's refused to answer when we ask at what age he migrated here. So on that note I have no further deliberations with him (or her).

10/24/183:32 PM

Former Member

Iguana posted:

So don't paint all Indians like you did. There is a difference between urban and country Indians. It's part of the cultural differences in Guyana, though yuh gon hearing nuff wailing and screaming about this.
Now, there is similiar among Guyanese blacks, but it is not location based. It is economic based. Bourgeois blacks versus common blacks. "Elite" blacks like Granger, Trotman, etc. versus the more "common" blacks. Suh we have it too (minus the buggery). More class based than location based.
A lil "education" fuh you on yuh homeland. Use it wisely. And doant tun yuh back pon de crew above.

Yes the dichotomy within the black/mixed population is more urban elites vs. the grass roots (urban and rural). You are correct about the rural/urban Indian dichotomy but there is also class issues. Jagdeo (now elite) looks down with scorn at poor and/or uneducated rural Indians and laughs at how gullible people like yuji are.

Jagdeo will slap hands and share in the spoils of corruption with Harmon but will spout bile bigotry to attract the likes of the Indo KKK.

10/24/183:36 PM

Former Member

kp posted:
It was OK for you to talk about Black Pudding, that's a code word for a Black man's dick, If this shit bother you, don't read it , just move on to Social or Religion. I guess you so Straight, you never had Sex.

The Indo KKK are really interesting. They seriously hate black people but are really in love with black male organs. Now we know that it isnt just black baigan, but now its also black pudding.

I learn a lot on GNI.

10/24/183:38 PM

BasemanSenior Member

Leonora posted:
Mars posted:
Iguana posted:
kp posted:
It was OK for you to talk about Black Pudding, that's a code word for a Black man's dick,
....WHAT?????!!!!!!! Suh black pudding, de Guyanese delicacy widely consumed by all races when dey drinking likka is a "code word for black man's dick"???????? LMFAO.
Dude, you are nothing but an old fag. Your wife should hide every cylindrical object in the house lest you molest yuh old self LMFAO!!!!!!
Hahaha. Me never laugh so much. If that’s what the man fantasizes about when he’s eating black pudding, who are you to deny him his fun?
I was in a restaurant and laughed so much, everyone said they wanted what I was having.

Tell them yu having Black pudden!!

10/24/183:41 PM

Former Member

Iguana posted:

Banna ah don't tink KP know what black pudding is. He doan know is actually something people in Guyana eat. Skeleton Man was asking me what is souse! Dese guys didn't get out much. LMBO!

A Guyanese function isnt Guyanese if there isnt chow mien, fry rice, cook up rice, black pudding, pepper pot, roti/dhal puri, and an assorted variety of curried meats.

I am curious about these people who live within an ethnic bubble. Where do they live? The Corentyne?

10/24/183:42 PM

MarsSenior Member

GTAngler posted:
Mitwah posted:
Mars posted:
I don’t know half of the words that country folks use and many of them I only learned by seeing them mentioned here on GNI. I wouldn’t expect Vish to be familiar with those words if he left Guyana at a young age.
me thinks he was wan lil dugla bacha.
Dugla is from hindi word doogalaa meaning many, much or mixed. Bacha in hindi means "child".
Well we can't doubt or confirm who or what he is since he's refused to answer when we ask at what age he migrated here. So on that note I have no further deliberations with him (or her).

He once stated how old he was when he left Guyana and I don’t have any reason to doubt him. We can’t confirm who or what anyone is on this forum so that would not be a reason to not interact with someone. What does it matter anyway? It’s the internet and there are certain things you just have to overlook if you want to be a part of this community.

10/24/183:50 PM

GTAnglerSenior Member

Mars posted:
GTAngler posted:
Mitwah posted:
Mars posted:
I don’t know half of the words that country folks use and many of them I only learned by seeing them mentioned here on GNI. I wouldn’t expect Vish to be familiar with those words if he left Guyana at a young age.
me thinks he was wan lil dugla bacha.
Dugla is from hindi word doogalaa meaning many, much or mixed. Bacha in hindi means "child".
Well we can't doubt or confirm who or what he is since he's refused to answer when we ask at what age he migrated here. So on that note I have no further deliberations with him (or her).
He once stated how old he was when he left Guyana and I don’t have any reason to doubt him. We can’t confirm who or what anyone is on this forum so that would not be a reason to not interact with someone. What does it matter anyway? It’s the internet and there are certain things you just have to overlook if you want to be a part of this community.

That's my reason. Cain asked twice and so did I.

10/24/184:00 PM

kpHonorary Member

caribny posted:
kp posted:
It was OK for you to talk about Black Pudding, that's a code word for a Black man's dick, If this shit bother you, don't read it , just move on to Social or Religion. I guess you so Straight, you never had Sex.
The Indo KKK are really interesting. They seriously hate black people but are really in love with black male organs. Now we know that it isnt just black baigan, but now its also black pudding.
I learn a lot on GNI.

So you have a Black Pudding, you never too old to learn.

10/24/184:11 PM

MarsSenior Member

GTAngler posted:

That's my reason. Cain asked twice and so did I.

You’re talking to me and you don’t know what age I was when I left Guyana so why is that so important? Maybe I never lived in Guyana and I’m 105 years old. You can’t confirm the details for anyone here so What does it matter?

10/24/184:26 PM

GTAnglerSenior Member

Mars posted:
GTAngler posted:

That's my reason. Cain asked twice and so did I.
You’re talking to me and you don’t know what age I was when I left Guyana so why is that so important? Maybe I never lived in Guyana and I’m 105 years old. You can’t confirm the details for anyone here so What does it matter?

I never asked you.......

10/24/184:35 PM

MarsSenior Member

GTAngler posted:
Mars posted:
GTAngler posted:

That's my reason. Cain asked twice and so did I.
You’re talking to me and you don’t know what age I was when I left Guyana so why is that so important? Maybe I never lived in Guyana and I’m 105 years old. You can’t confirm the details for anyone here so What does it matter?
I never asked you.......

Y’all take this place too serious. I’m asking you now and you’re evading the question. You can’t confirm the details for anyone here so what does it matter?

10/24/184:38 PM

GTAnglerSenior Member

Mars posted:
GTAngler posted:
Mars posted:
GTAngler posted:

That's my reason. Cain asked twice and so did I.
You’re talking to me and you don’t know what age I was when I left Guyana so why is that so important? Maybe I never lived in Guyana and I’m 105 years old. You can’t confirm the details for anyone here so What does it matter?
I never asked you.......
Y’all take this place too serious. I’m asking you now and you’re evading the question. You can’t confirm the details for anyone here so what does it matter?

Maybe I am taking this too seriously. The question was only pertinent in this case. Lots of questions asked and ignorance feigned.

10/24/184:41 PM

cainTired old hippie

GTAngler posted:
Mitwah posted:
Mars posted:
I don’t know half of the words that country folks use and many of them I only learned by seeing them mentioned here on GNI. I wouldn’t expect Vish to be familiar with those words if he left Guyana at a young age.
me thinks he was wan lil dugla bacha.
Dugla is from hindi word doogalaa meaning many, much or mixed. Bacha in hindi means "child".
Well we can't doubt or confirm who or what he is since he's refused to answer when we ask at what age he migrated here. So on that note I have no further deliberations with him (or her).

Dah rass doan want us fo know what age he was when he lef...he hiding something deh.

10/24/185:02 PM

Former Member

Iguana posted:
Leonora posted:
Hey Gil, I heard some Irish people conversing, then turned around to give them a second look because it sounded like Guyanese Creole.
Likely Scottish. My grandfather used to tell us that a lot of the plantation overseers and whites in Guyana were mostly Scottish. He was a teacher and had a lot of contact with them.

Gaiutra Bahadur did much research, then wrote an excellent book 'Coolie woman'. She went to Scotland too to trace some overseers' families and explain about them. She said lots of Guyanese village and town names are still in existence in Scotland, e.g. Alness, Rosehall, etc.

10/24/188:12 PM

TolaSenior Member

Leonora posted:
Iguana posted:
Leonora posted:
Hey Gil, I heard some Irish people conversing, then turned around to give them a second look because it sounded like Guyanese Creole.
Likely Scottish. My grandfather used to tell us that a lot of the plantation overseers and whites in Guyana were mostly Scottish. He was a teacher and had a lot of contact with them.
Gaiutra Bahadur did much research, then wrote an excellent book 'Coolie woman'. She went to Scotland too to trace some overseers' families and explain about them. She said lots of Guyanese village and town names are still in existence in Scotland, e.g. Alness, Rosehall, etc.

I believe my copy of the 'Coolie Woman' is still around the house, that I did not read yet. Regarding my Scottish background, I have to read it.

I have a number of photos of the logies and an aerial photo of Albion in 1945. This is now a vacant area, after the people moved to new settlements.

During my travels in the UK last summer, I was told the models for logie row houses in Guyana were from Scotland. The slaves first lived in it and also myself, doing my earlier years.

My great grand mother was from India and my G grandfather was a Scottish plantation manager. After witnessing sexual abuse of weeding gang women in the 1950s, I doubt that my great grandparents had a mutual relationship and she have been abused, when my grandmother Mary Murray was born.

Near Albion school was a guava field where we had lunch and filled our sauce pans with guavas. Many times the managers would abuse the women. Even if they pleaded that their husband might leave them, if they become pregnant, this did not prevent the assault.

Since our knowledge today indicate that Scotland don't have a great relationship with England, why were there so many people of Scottish heritage in Guyana ?

10/24/188:56 PM

Former Member

Hey Tols, do you know a place called Guava Bush near Albion?

Regarding your last question, that was part of Gaiutra's research and she answered it. I'll check it later.

10/24/189:03 PM

Former Member

@Tola

Many plantations were owned by Scots who employed their countrymen to run them. The Church of Scotland played a big role in those plantations by establishing schools. I attended Uitvlugt Church of Scotland School which later morphed into Uitvlugt Primary School. The old cemetery alongside the church in the schoolyard has tombs with Scotsmen's bones, as indicated on the headstones.

10/24/189:12 PM

kpHonorary Member

Gilbakka posted:
@Tola
Many plantations were owned by Scots who employed their countrymen to run them. The Church of Scotland played a big role in those plantations by establishing schools. I attended Uitvlugt Church of Scotland School which later morphed into Uitvlugt Primary School. The old cemetery alongside the church in the schoolyard has tombs with Scotsmen's bones, as indicated on the headstones.

I remember that cemetery the teacher would take the class to do reading and we would sit on the tombs.

10/24/189:21 PM

Former Member

Skeldon had two Primary schools, Anglican Primary and Scotts Primary school. Chief and Skelly probably attended one of those prior to going to High School.

10/24/189:36 PM

TolaSenior Member

Thanks Gil, I now understand. wavey

I attended Albion Canadian Presbyterian Mission school, but Rose Hall town that Leonora mentioned, had a Church of Scot school.

Leonora, FYI, There is Rose Hall Town [previous village] near Port Mourant and Rose Hall sugar estate is near Canje and New Amsterdam.

During Wilberforce efforts to free the slaves, he had an uphill battle, because many of the British MPs owned plantations in the Caribbean with slaves. But Scottish owners might not have been part of that history.

Leonora, I know Guava Bush very well. My school friend Nar who is the retired assistant head teacher at Lesbeholden Black Bush Polder school, lived at GB when we attended Albion school. They had many fruit trees where we had lunch.

In the early 1959 when our logie was broken down and we moved to Belvedere, I walked past the rice fields near Guava Bush and nearby Topoo to Albion school. I wrote many stories about this place for our Canadian GC, regarding my school days.

During our teenage years, Nar reminds me of the time his sister asked him to pick up a bra for her, from my sister Agnes, manager at Rose Hall Town Alim Shaw store. It was so embarrassing describing what we wanted and my sister on purpose did not provide any clue, until everyone in the store knew what we wanted.

I believe Nar's sister is now in the US and my sister Agnes was murdered by three men, during a robbery at her Rose Hall Town Reef house.

10/24/189:53 PM

Former Member

@VishMahabir

This "serious question" thread has drilled up some interesting information. Thanks.

10/24/1810:30 PM

cainTired old hippie

Sure did!

10/24/1811:35 PM

Former Member

Tola posted:
s.

Since our knowledge today indicate that Scotland don't have a great relationship with England, why were there so many people of Scottish heritage in Guyana ?

The "British" who came to the Caribbean were from the peripheral areas and were disproportionately Scottish, Irish, Welch or from the deeply rural parts of England. They weren't properly treated in the UK so they left for the colonies.

10/24/1811:54 PM

Former Member

Mars posted:
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Black pudding is European. They call it blood sausage. There are variations of blood sausage in many European countries. I think we got the Scottish version in Guyana. Not sure where souse originated.

As with the language Afro Caribbean people took this dish and adjusted it to their tastes, adding seasoning and using rice. I had a black pudding in Barbados which was closer to what the Scottish would have introduced and it tasted terrible.

10/24/1811:59 PM

Former Member

Leonora posted:
Hey Gil, I heard some Irish people conversing, then turned around to give them a second look because it sounded like Guyanese Creole.

Yes the "English" who the enslaved people encountered were Irish, and from parts of England where the dialect is similar. So we didn't learn English from the English, but from other British people who were also learning English. "Ting," "dem" and waak (walk) comes from the Irish. Jamaicans and people from the Leeward Islands have high Irish influences in their speech.

Based on the names of the plantations Guyana had a high Scottish involvement as some one mentioned. For some reason we sound a bit like people from the Virgin Islands, St Maarten and Belize.

10/25/1812:05 AM

Former Member

Iguana posted:
Leonora posted:
I remember Dad long ago mixing the ingredients into a paste, putting it in banana leaves, wrapping the leaves into 2"x2" squares and tying them with twine, then boiling them in a large pot. Delicious!
Konkee. I think the Amerindians used to put the banana leaf squares into a hole in the ground with coals around it. That is real old fashioned Guyanese stuff. Spanish people also make it. They call it Pasteles. Ricans boil it. Dominicans fry it.

Konke is from Ghana. They have a savory version which they call kenke.

Our creole cultures are blended so that origins of much of it is diverse so we often cannot say where they are from. Its often combining various influences from different origins, or taking something from a culture and adjusting it. And its a continuously evolving culture.

10/25/1812:08 AM

cainTired old hippie

Dah reminds me of the time I tried my hand at makin tennis rolls...seems I used cement instead of flour...dam thing went from a food to a heavy object.

10/25/1812:20 AM

ballSenior Member

Mi amigo fram St. Kitts does mek kankee wid sweet potatoes, and as for the origin of black cake, rum cake or fruit cake, I was told that it is of British origin, the names of some foods may differ from region to region for eg. cookup is also called all in one. Guyana is rather a complex place rich with diversity too bad the people, do not embrace the rich and diverse cultures with an open mind. A sad state of affairs... <((><

10/25/181:10 AM

BasemanSenior Member

ball posted:
Mi amigo fram St. Kitts does mek kankee wid sweet potatoes, and as for the origin of black cake, rum cake or fruit cake, I was told that it is of British origin, the names of some foods may differ from region to region for eg. cookup is also called all in one. Guyana is rather a complex place rich with diversity too bad the people, do not embrace the rich and diverse cultures with an open mind. A sad state of affairs... <((><

Is funny you say that. My son had some Guyanese food and asked how come it’s not more international. He thought it was some in the best.

There is so much positive aspects but people (like Caribj☹️) just dwell of the negatives.

10/25/184:19 AM

Former Member

Baseman posted:

There is so much positive aspects but people (like Caribj☹️) just dwell of the negatives.

Suh people like Yugli, Skelly, KP, "Dave", Nehru, Drugb and other Indian RACISTS dwelling pon "positives" hay????? Some of dese people know NOTHING about Guyana outside of their Indian existence and Indian food.

Carib is a true Guyanese. Notice the man's wide knowledge about we language, history, culture, foods, and suh on. Yuh friends above care only about things INDIAN! Nothing wrong with that, but they have ZERO interest or appreciation for those around them. These idiots and their supremacist ideology believe that Indian is best and everything and everyone else is shit. Dat ain't "positive" where I come from.

Y'all doan like Carib because he points out the racist, Hindutva supremacist shit.

10/25/189:58 AM

kpHonorary Member

Iguana posted:
Baseman posted:

There is so much positive aspects but people (like Caribj☹️) just dwell of the negatives.
Suh people like Yugli, Skelly, KP, "Dave", Nehru, Drugb and other Indian RACISTS dwelling pon "positives" hay????? Some of dese people know NOTHING about Guyana outside of their Indian existence and Indian food.
Carib is a true Guyanese. Notice the man's wide knowledge about we language, history, culture, foods, and suh on. Yuh friends above care only about things INDIAN! Nothing wrong with that, but they have ZERO interest or appreciation for those around them. These idiots and their supremacist ideology believe that Indian is best and everything and everyone else is shit. Dat ain't "positive" where I come from.
Y'all doan like Carib because he points out the racist, Hindutva supremacist shit.

Reptile you finally found your idol as usual you have low standards.

10/25/1810:07 AM

Former Member

caribny posted:
A Guyanese function isnt Guyanese if there isnt chow mien, fry rice, cook up rice, black pudding, pepper pot, roti/dhal puri, and an assorted variety of curried meats.
I am curious about these people who live within an ethnic bubble. Where do they live? The Corentyne?

Sounds like a few of them here are from Corentyne. I never met Indian folks who didn't know what souse or black pudding was so doan know where these creatures hay come from.

Add unfamiliarity with each other as another reason for our racial tension. From the exchanges, clearly several of the Indians hay grew up in they lil racist enclave where they were told black people were some evil savages without any culture, class or education and the Indian was superior.

10/25/1810:10 AM

BasemanSenior Member

Iguana posted:
Baseman posted:

There is so much positive aspects but people (like Caribj☹️) just dwell of the negatives.
Suh people like Yugli, Skelly, KP, "Dave", Nehru, Drugb and other Indian RACISTS dwelling pon "positives" hay????? Some of dese people know NOTHING about Guyana outside of their Indian existence and Indian food.
Carib is a true Guyanese. Notice the man's wide knowledge about we language, history, culture, foods, and suh on. Yuh friends above care only about things INDIAN! Nothing wrong with that, but they have ZERO interest or appreciation for those around them. These idiots and their supremacist ideology believe that Indian is best and everything and everyone else is shit. Dat ain't "positive" where I come from.
Y'all doan like Carib because he points out the racist, Hindutva supremacist shit.

Nah, me like Cribby. He’s a good banna!

10/25/1810:14 AM

Former Member

ball posted:
Mi amigo fram St. Kitts does mek kankee wid sweet potatoes, and as for the origin of black cake, rum cake or fruit cake, I was told that it is of British origin, the names of some foods may differ from region to region for eg. cookup is also called all in one. Guyana is rather a complex place rich with diversity too bad the people, do not embrace the rich and diverse cultures with an open mind. A sad state of affairs... <((><

Black cake is another example of British culture being adjusted to suit creole tastes. In fact much of Southern (American) cooking is the same as the cooks were slaves so shifted cooking styles to suit their own purposes.

Sorrel is African (called bissap in Senegal) , ginger beer is both British and African and mauby comes from the Amerindians.

10/25/182:44 PM

Former Member

Does anyone know the origin of Cook up or All in One as it is called in Berbice ?

10/25/182:49 PM

TolaSenior Member

yuji22 posted:
Does anyone know the origin of Cook up or All in One as it is called in Berbice ?

Yuji, if you look at the method used as teenagers for us to bush-cook, cook-up or all-in-one, it might give some clue how it might have started.

I believe just like making 'do-say' roti, with few ingredients like flour, sugar and water to make a breakfast meal, cook-up might have started due to poverty, where everyone is asked to bring an ingredient for the pot.

I can now understand when homeless 'beggars' ask for help from house to house and are given some uncooked rice or a potato. This can be used to prepare a simple meal, with veggys they can find in most kitchen gardens.

Often the meat for cook-up is a chicken, we usually 'borrow' from the neighbour's chicken coop. But we always invite a boy from that family to enjoy the meal and bunjal chicken chesa, so if we are even discovered, he will be just as guilty as we are and declared innocent of the fact.[Simple teenage logic]

That method worked well, until after we kill the chicken and cannot find a boy from that family to enjoy the meal. Den our kok duk to explain the chicken in our cook-up. Hiding the feathers don't seem to help much.

My father prepared and enjoyed 'dry-food', maybe originated by Africans, but I don't know how it started ? It was large pieces of vegetables and meat, with no gravy.

10/25/183:53 PM

BasemanSenior Member

yuji22 posted:
Does anyone know the origin of Cook up or All in One as it is called in Berbice ?

The original is a black speciality!

10/25/183:55 PM

Former Member

caribny posted:
ball posted:
Mi amigo fram St. Kitts does mek kankee wid sweet potatoes, and as for the origin of black cake, rum cake or fruit cake, I was told that it is of British origin, the names of some foods may differ from region to region for eg. cookup is also called all in one. Guyana is rather a complex place rich with diversity too bad the people, do not embrace the rich and diverse cultures with an open mind. A sad state of affairs... <((><
Black cake is another example of British culture being adjusted to suit creole tastes. In fact much of Southern (American) cooking is the same as the cooks were slaves so shifted cooking styles to suit their own purposes.
Sorrel is African (called bissap in Senegal) , ginger beer is both British and African and mauby comes from the Amerindians.

Yes, black cake is from the British rum cake. However, we Guyanese being the likka dogs that we are, added mo likka and different assortment of fruits. There was also "five finger drink" which I think also came from the Amerindians. Soak the "5 finger fruit" in water for a few days and then use the water with sugar of course.

10/25/184:07 PM

Former Member

GTAngler posted:
Tried making souse with chicken feet the other day. Must have missed a step. Friggin thing came out tasteless. Then again was a Trini recipe. Back to meh Guyanese Cook Book.

Yes, you missed a step. Yuh gaffo TEEF de chicken from yuh neighba. Den de souse duz come out nice and sweet.

10/25/184:09 PM

Former Member

yuji22 posted:
Does anyone know the origin of Cook up or All in One as it is called in Berbice ?

Stop pretendin' yuh give a shit about anything Guyanese. You are KNOWN! Guh eat yuh vegetable and ress yuhself. Cookup iz "black man food" as yuh cousin Skeleton man would say, suh stop feignin' interest like how yuh feign dat yuh like Marley.

10/25/184:11 PM

Former Member

Tola posted:
My father prepared and enjoyed 'dry-food', maybe originated by Africans, but I don't know how it started ? It was large pieces of vegetables and meat, with no gravy.

Yes, African and possibly Amerindian. Yams, cassava, plantain, etc with meat and/or fish (fried). Also a nicely made dough sometimes stuffed with ham (I'm sure that was a late addition). That piece of dough used to be called "duff" (from the word dough). Some folks added a lil gravy, especially if fish was used. Also seen Indians eat this.

10/25/184:17 PM

GTAnglerSenior Member

Iguana posted:
yuji22 posted:
Does anyone know the origin of Cook up or All in One as it is called in Berbice ?
Stop pretendin' yuh give a shit about anything Guyanese. You are KNOWN! Guh eat yuh vegetable and ress yuhself. Cookup iz "black man food" as yuh cousin Skeleton man would say, suh stop feignin' interest like how yuh feign dat yuh like Marley.

Who tell you that? Best cook-up I ever ate was cooked on a wood fire in the back yard home. My father loved to play dominoes and that was a weekend thing. He would wake up early, walk along the train line when he knew people had gardens, buy fresh vegetables including fresh pidgeon peas and freshly grated/squeezed coconut milk and throw on a pot of cook-up and he and the boys would drink and play dominoes. Cook-up had many variations but always had salted beef unless there was someone who didn't eat beef.

10/25/184:42 PM

TolaSenior Member

Iguana posted:
Tola posted:
My father prepared and enjoyed 'dry-food', maybe originated by Africans, but I don't know how it started ? It was large pieces of vegetables and meat, with no gravy.
Yes, African and possibly Amerindian. Yams, cassava, plantain, etc with meat and/or fish (fried). Also a nicely made dough sometimes stuffed with ham (I'm sure that was a late addition). That piece of dough used to be called "duff" (from the word dough). Some folks added a lil gravy, especially if fish was used. Also seen Indians eat this.

Thanks Iguana, that makes sense. wavey

There was also a soup with DUMPLINGS that I enjoyed. It had lots of veggys, but I am not sure if it had any meat. The dumplings were added on top after the soup is finished and just allowed to steam.

I like butter fish, fried or cooked in tomato sauce.

10/25/184:47 PM

kpHonorary Member

Tola posted:
yuji22 posted:
Does anyone know the origin of Cook up or All in One as it is called in Berbice ?
Yuji, if you look at the method used as teenagers for us to bush-cook, cook-up or all-in-one, it might give some clue how it might have started.
I believe just like making 'do-say' roti, with few ingredients like flour, sugar and water to make a breakfast meal, cook-up might have started due to poverty, where everyone is asked to bring an ingredient for the pot.
I can now understand when homeless 'beggars' ask for help from house to house and are given some uncooked rice or a potato. This can be used to prepare a simple meal, with veggys they can find in most kitchen gardens.
Often the meat for cook-up is a chicken, we usually 'borrow' from the neighbour's chicken coop. But we always invite a boy from that family to enjoy the meal and bunjal chicken chesa, so if we are even discovered, he will be just as guilty as we are and declared innocent of the fact.[Simple teenage logic]
That method worked well, until after we kill the chicken and cannot find a boy from that family to enjoy the meal. Den our kok duk to explain the chicken in our cook-up. Hiding the feathers don't seem to help much.
My father prepared and enjoyed 'dry-food', maybe originated by Africans, but I don't know how it started ? It was large pieces of vegetables and meat, with no gravy.

Your father made Metemgee.

10/25/184:52 PM

TolaSenior Member

KP, I Google Metemgee and it shows as a Guyanese recipe. Thanks.

Iguana, the 'duff' is also shows added to Metemgee, as you mentioned.

This is quite a learning thread.

10/25/185:05 PM

DjangoAdmin

How about "Kechree" boiled rice,split peas, salt ,onions , bhagee and coconut milk, no meats. In India is called "Khichdi"

10/25/185:06 PM

GTAnglerSenior Member

kp posted:
Tola posted:
yuji22 posted:
Does anyone know the origin of Cook up or All in One as it is called in Berbice ?
Yuji, if you look at the method used as teenagers for us to bush-cook, cook-up or all-in-one, it might give some clue how it might have started.
I believe just like making 'do-say' roti, with few ingredients like flour, sugar and water to make a breakfast meal, cook-up might have started due to poverty, where everyone is asked to bring an ingredient for the pot.
I can now understand when homeless 'beggars' ask for help from house to house and are given some uncooked rice or a potato. This can be used to prepare a simple meal, with veggys they can find in most kitchen gardens.
Often the meat for cook-up is a chicken, we usually 'borrow' from the neighbour's chicken coop. But we always invite a boy from that family to enjoy the meal and bunjal chicken chesa, so if we are even discovered, he will be just as guilty as we are and declared innocent of the fact.[Simple teenage logic]
That method worked well, until after we kill the chicken and cannot find a boy from that family to enjoy the meal. Den our kok duk to explain the chicken in our cook-up. Hiding the feathers don't seem to help much.
My father prepared and enjoyed 'dry-food', maybe originated by Africans, but I don't know how it started ? It was large pieces of vegetables and meat, with no gravy.
Your father made Metemgee.

Growing up I always knew that as Methem or Metagee.

10/25/185:08 PM

TolaSenior Member

Django posted:
How about "Kechree" boiled rice,split peas, salt ,onions , bhagee and coconut milk, no meats. In India is called "Khichdi"

Me rememba dis meal. But did not remember its name. Thanks.

Django, you rememba 'do-say' roti. Made from flour, sugar and water or milk ?

In GT, I was staying with a friend whose wife is from Mumbai. She made a small 'do-say' roti, but it had salt and pepper.

10/25/185:13 PM

DjangoAdmin

Tola posted:
Django posted:
How about "Kechree" boiled rice,split peas, salt ,onions , bhagee and coconut milk, no meats. In India is called "Khichdi"
Me rememba dis meal. But did not remember its name. Thanks.
Django, you rememba 'do-say' roti. Made from flour, sugar and water or milk ?
In GT, I was staying with a friend whose wife is from Mumbai. She made a small 'do-say' roti, but it had salt and pepper.

Is that like pancakes ??

10/25/185:23 PM

GTAnglerSenior Member

Django posted:
Tola posted:
Django posted:
How about "Kechree" boiled rice,split peas, salt ,onions , bhagee and coconut milk, no meats. In India is called "Khichdi"
Me rememba dis meal. But did not remember its name. Thanks.
Django, you rememba 'do-say' roti. Made from flour, sugar and water or milk ?
In GT, I was staying with a friend whose wife is from Mumbai. She made a small 'do-say' roti, but it had salt and pepper.
Is that like pancakes ??

sounds more like masala dosa. By the way, "pancake"??? Yuh mean chota???

10/25/185:26 PM

DjangoAdmin

GTAngler posted:
Django posted:
Tola posted:
Django posted:
How about "Kechree" boiled rice,split peas, salt ,onions , bhagee and coconut milk, no meats. In India is called "Khichdi"
Me rememba dis meal. But did not remember its name. Thanks.
Django, you rememba 'do-say' roti. Made from flour, sugar and water or milk ?
In GT, I was staying with a friend whose wife is from Mumbai. She made a small 'do-say' roti, but it had salt and pepper.
Is that like pancakes ??
sounds more like masala dosa. By the way, "pancake"??? Yuh mean chota???

Yep

10/25/185:28 PM

TolaSenior Member

Django posted:
GTAngler posted:
Django posted:
Tola posted:
Django posted:
How about "Kechree" boiled rice,split peas, salt ,onions , bhagee and coconut milk, no meats. In India is called "Khichdi"
Me rememba dis meal. But did not remember its name. Thanks.
Django, you rememba 'do-say' roti. Made from flour, sugar and water or milk ?
In GT, I was staying with a friend whose wife is from Mumbai. She made a small 'do-say' roti, but it had salt and pepper.
Is that like pancakes ??
sounds more like masala dosa. By the way, "pancake"??? Yuh mean chota???
Yep

YEA...CHOTA...[also masala dosa.] It been decades since I had any chota, I will try to make some, in my cast-iron frying pan.

This experience is taking me back to my boyhood days, when I waited in our logie kitchen for my late sister Elaine to finish make a chota, so I can eat it hot. Fighting smoke in my eyes by the fireside with a plate in my hands.

I have a burn mark about the size of quarter on my right back. It got there when I constantly begged for some sugar cake, but told it was still hot. I insisted, so the same sister put some hot sugar cake in my hand and as I shook it off, it landed at the back of my right shoulder, leaving a lasting mark.

What do you call those cups and plates that would flake off a piece, if it dropped or hit on hard surface ?

10/25/186:01 PM

Former Member

yuji22 posted:
Does anyone know the origin of Cook up or All in One as it is called in Berbice ?

Cook up rice evolved from the one pot dishes that are prevalent throughout all of the cultures that evolved out of plantation societies in the Americas. It is related to the Joloff rice of West Africa and some also attribute influences from Spain. Cooking with coconut milk was brought to the Americas by the Africans though these cooking styles are also prevalent in Asia. I guess wherever coconut trees exist.

10/25/186:05 PM

DjangoAdmin

Tola posted:

What do you call those cups and plates that would flake off a piece, if it dropped or hit on hard surface ?

They were enameled plates and cups.

10/25/186:06 PM

Former Member

Iguana posted:
GTAngler posted:
Tried making souse with chicken feet the other day. Must have missed a step. Friggin thing came out tasteless. Then again was a Trini recipe. Back to meh Guyanese Cook Book.
Yes, you missed a step. Yuh gaffo TEEF de chicken from yuh neighba. Den de souse duz come out nice and sweet.

Never associated souse with Trinis. I think it was brought to Guyana by the Bajans, another British to creole adaptation.

10/25/186:07 PM

Former Member

Iguana posted:
Tola posted:
My father prepared and enjoyed 'dry-food', maybe originated by Africans, but I don't know how it started ? It was large pieces of vegetables and meat, with no gravy.
Yes, African and possibly Amerindian. Yams, cassava, plantain, etc with meat and/or fish (fried). Also a nicely made dough sometimes stuffed with ham (I'm sure that was a late addition). That piece of dough used to be called "duff" (from the word dough). Some folks added a lil gravy, especially if fish was used. Also seen Indians eat this.

Another West African dish. I was describing "unique" Guyanese food to a Ghanaian and was talking about metem. He stopped me right there and told me that they have the same dish in Ghana and call it by the same name. It exists in various forms throughout the Caribbean.

10/25/186:09 PM

Former Member

GTAngler posted:
Iguana posted:
yuji22 posted:
Does anyone know the origin of Cook up or All in One as it is called in Berbice ?
Stop pretendin' yuh give a shit about anything Guyanese. You are KNOWN! Guh eat yuh vegetable and ress yuhself. Cookup iz "black man food" as yuh cousin Skeleton man would say, suh stop feignin' interest like how yuh feign dat yuh like Marley.
Who tell you that? Best cook-up I ever ate was cooked on a wood fire in the back yard home.

It is black man food though just as blacks learned how to cook curry chicken and some even roti some Indians also learned creole and Chinese Guyanese dishes.

10/25/186:11 PM

Former Member

Bottom line is that despite the low key tribal warfare that we have in Guyana there is much cultural interchange and adaptation in our foods, language, etc. To the point where we often don't even know the origins of some of this.

For instance the word "jook" which every Caribbean person knows. Some attribute it to English origins and others to West African. One thing though is I don't think that English people use that word anymore. The word "deh" has connections to one of the Nigerian languages, I think Igbo. That is in some one saying " he deh over dere".

Also when you want to emphasize a word we repeat it as in "he too stupidee, stupidee". Again West African grammar using English connected words, though how many of us know this. Its a Ghanaian who told me the West African origins when I used it once. He laughed and told me that he knew fully well that I didn't know how African it was.

10/25/186:17 PM

Former Member

caribny posted:
It is black man food though just as blacks learned how to cook curry chicken and some even roti some Indians also learned creole and Chinese Guyanese dishes.

This is questionable, as rice is traditionally an Asian food. Unless you are referring to cookup minus the rice.

10/25/186:19 PM

Former Member

GTAngler posted:
Iguana posted:
yuji22 posted:
Does anyone know the origin of Cook up or All in One as it is called in Berbice ?
Stop pretendin' yuh give a shit about anything Guyanese. You are KNOWN! Guh eat yuh vegetable and ress yuhself. Cookup iz "black man food" as yuh cousin Skeleton man would say, suh stop feignin' interest like how yuh feign dat yuh like Marley.
Who tell you that? Best cook-up I ever ate was cooked on a wood fire in the back yard home. My father loved to play dominoes and that was a weekend thing. He would wake up early, walk along the train line when he knew people had gardens, buy fresh vegetables including fresh pidgeon peas and freshly grated/squeezed coconut milk and throw on a pot of cook-up and he and the boys would drink and play dominoes. Cook-up had many variations but always had salted beef unless there was someone who didn't eat beef.

....was saying that Skeleton Man would say it's black man food. I don't think of it that way. To me it's Guyanese. And yes, I've seen Indian and portugese folks make a good cook up. To me, salt beef cookup was de best.

10/25/186:22 PM

Former Member

caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:
Does anyone know the origin of Cook up or All in One as it is called in Berbice ?
Cook up rice evolved from the one pot dishes that are prevalent throughout all of the cultures that evolved out of plantation societies in the Americas. It is related to the Joloff rice of West Africa and some also attribute influences from Spain. Cooking with coconut milk was brought to the Americas by the Africans though these cooking styles are also prevalent in Asia. I guess wherever coconut trees exist.

Thank you Carib. My children were asking and I wanted an honest answer. I never prepare it without coconut milk, that is a must have ingredient.

I will let them know tonight.

10/25/186:31 PM

Former Member

caribny posted:
Iguana posted:
GTAngler posted:
Tried making souse with chicken feet the other day. Must have missed a step. Friggin thing came out tasteless. Then again was a Trini recipe. Back to meh Guyanese Cook Book.
Yes, you missed a step. Yuh gaffo TEEF de chicken from yuh neighba. Den de souse duz come out nice and sweet.
Never associated souse with Trinis. I think it was brought to Guyana by the Bajans, another British to creole adaptation.

Y'all rememba dis song? lol

https://youtu.be/ZqWLwZIncec

10/25/186:32 PM

TolaSenior Member

Django posted:
Tola posted:

What do you call those cups and plates that would flake off a piece, if it dropped or hit on hard surface ?
They were enameled plates and cups.

Thanks everyone for all this, its very educational. My life was isolated from Guyanese culture for many decades with a Canadian family and I forget many of these things.

CARIBNY, our African store is operated by Denise from Ghana, I have to share a lot more about our Guyanese culture with her.

Django, Thanks. I could not remember the make of the plates and cups.

But I do remember hitting sheep and goats at the school water well, who try to get into our food dish, while washing and bits would fake off.

10/25/186:34 PM

Former Member

Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
It is black man food though just as blacks learned how to cook curry chicken and some even roti some Indians also learned creole and Chinese Guyanese dishes.
This is questionable, as rice is traditionally an Asian food. Unless you are referring to cookup minus the rice.

It looks like abie Indo foreparents borrowed the cook up from our Afro Brothers and added rice to it.

10/25/186:35 PM

MarsSenior Member

GTAngler posted:
kp posted:
Tola posted:

My father prepared and enjoyed 'dry-food', maybe originated by Africans, but I don't know how it started ? It was large pieces of vegetables and meat, with no gravy.
Your father made Metemgee.
Growing up I always knew that as Methem or Metagee.

Metemgee is made with coconut milk. If we make it without the coconut milk, we call it dry food. I’ve heard people also call it hard food or you can fry it and call it boil and fry.

Most times we make metemgee, we use saltfish instead of meat.

10/25/186:35 PM

Former Member

GTAngler posted:
Growing up I always knew that as Methem or Metagee.

Yes, I heard it referred to with that word. Also Mars is correct re the salt fish thing. Or stew fish.

10/25/186:40 PM

Former Member

Tola posted:
Django posted:
How about "Kechree" boiled rice,split peas, salt ,onions , bhagee and coconut milk, no meats. In India is called "Khichdi"
Me rememba dis meal. But did not remember its name. Thanks.
Django, you rememba 'do-say' roti. Made from flour, sugar and water or milk ?
In GT, I was staying with a friend whose wife is from Mumbai. She made a small 'do-say' roti, but it had salt and pepper.

Indian restaurants serve dosas. Maybe our "do say" roti came from that.

10/25/186:42 PM

kpHonorary Member

yuji22 posted:
caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:
Does anyone know the origin of Cook up or All in One as it is called in Berbice ?
Cook up rice evolved from the one pot dishes that are prevalent throughout all of the cultures that evolved out of plantation societies in the Americas. It is related to the Joloff rice of West Africa and some also attribute influences from Spain. Cooking with coconut milk was brought to the Americas by the Africans though these cooking styles are also prevalent in Asia. I guess wherever coconut trees exist.
Thank you Carib. My children were asking and I wanted an honest answer. I never prepare it without coconut milk, that is a must have ingredient.
I will let them know tonight.

Berbicians also put tomato sardine in their cook up.

10/25/186:42 PM

Former Member

Bai you know me don’t eat sardines. But that is true about Berbicians.

I wonder if the vegetable soup that we make is also of African origin ? We use eddoes, cassava, plantains, etc in our soup. I have that every single week.

10/25/186:54 PM

TolaSenior Member

kp posted:
yuji22 posted:
caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:
Does anyone know the origin of Cook up or All in One as it is called in Berbice ?
Cook up rice evolved from the one pot dishes that are prevalent throughout all of the cultures that evolved out of plantation societies in the Americas. It is related to the Joloff rice of West Africa and some also attribute influences from Spain. Cooking with coconut milk was brought to the Americas by the Africans though these cooking styles are also prevalent in Asia. I guess wherever coconut trees exist.
Thank you Carib. My children were asking and I wanted an honest answer. I never prepare it without coconut milk, that is a must have ingredient.
I will let them know tonight.
Berbicians also put tomato sardine in their cook up.

That we did KP. It was New Brunswick sardines and we used the empty sardine tins as punts, or boats with a broom pointer and paper sail, to race each other in drains, after a rain fall.

We also used the empty sardine tins to make SAKAL-GATTA, a burnt brown sugar cookie.

When I did presentations at our children primary school regarding penfriends. I would make a bunch of brown sugar cookies [SAKAL-GATTA]. I always do it in the afternoons, because I did not want to leave a bunch of unruly 'sugared' students with a teacher.

10/25/186:56 PM

Former Member

Tola posted:
Django posted:
Tola posted:

What do you call those cups and plates that would flake off a piece, if it dropped or hit on hard surface ?
They were enameled plates and cups.
Thanks everyone for all this, its very educational. My life was isolated from Guyanese culture for many decades with a Canadian family and I forget many of these things.
CARIBNY, our African store is operated by Denise from Ghana, I have to share a lot more about our Guyanese culture with her.
Django, Thanks. I could not remember the make of the plates and cups.
But I do remember hitting sheep and goats at the school water well, who try to get into our food dish, while washing and bits would fake off.

Based on what we eat, we owe our Afro Brothers and Sisters a big thank you. We are fortunate that we have we have Indo and Afro meals combined. No wonder dem Indian people at our temple love it when Indo Guyanese cook. Dem rass does fetch plate plate when Guyanese cook.

Me only like a few of their foods, I prefer my Guyanese food. My daughter cannot live without Guyanese food. She says, me don’t want white People food.

10/25/187:02 PM

TolaSenior Member

yuji22 posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
It is black man food though just as blacks learned how to cook curry chicken and some even roti some Indians also learned creole and Chinese Guyanese dishes.
This is questionable, as rice is traditionally an Asian food. Unless you are referring to cookup minus the rice.
It looks like abie Indo foreparents borrowed the cook up from our Afro Brothers and added rice to it.

Yuji, the Afro families also 'borrowed' many Indian dishes.

I have Afro friends here from Linden, whom make the best dhall and rice with shrimp/okro side dish.

10/25/187:02 PM

Former Member

Tola posted:
yuji22 posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
It is black man food though just as blacks learned how to cook curry chicken and some even roti some Indians also learned creole and Chinese Guyanese dishes.
This is questionable, as rice is traditionally an Asian food. Unless you are referring to cookup minus the rice.
It looks like abie Indo foreparents borrowed the cook up from our Afro Brothers and added rice to it.
Yuji, the Afro families also 'borrowed' many Indian dishes.
I have Afro friends here from Linden, whom make the best dhall and rice with shrimp/okro side dish.

That’s what make Guyanese the MOST unique people in the world. Burnham and Cheddi split is up politically. Other than that we fine.

We does argue and fight but I Never allow anyone to eye pass my Guyanese Brothers and Sisters.

10/25/187:05 PM

Former Member

Tola, I remember seeing dem ladies selling shrimp using an empty sardine tin as a measurement in Berbice and rum bottle as measurement for selling coconut oil.

10/25/187:10 PM

Former Member

Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
It is black man food though just as blacks learned how to cook curry chicken and some even roti some Indians also learned creole and Chinese Guyanese dishes.
This is questionable, as rice is traditionally an Asian food. Unless you are referring to cookup minus the rice.

indeed drugb, the only thing NOT “questionable” is your ineffable DUNCENESS

Let me help your poor education here:

http://journals.sagepub.com/do...7/096746080000700201

THE AFRICAN ORIGINS OF CAROLINA RICE CULTURE by Judith Carney

“. . . The Governor Sir William [Berkeley], caused half a bushel of Rice (which he had procured) to be sowen, and it prospered gallantly and he had fifteen bushels of it, excellent good Rice, so that all those fifteen bushels will be sowen again this year; and we doubt not in a short time to have Rice so plentiful as to afford it at 2d a pound if not cheaper, for we perceive the ground and Climate is very proper for it as our Negroes affirme, which in their Country is most of their food, and very health-ful for our bodies.

. . . An examination of rice cooking provides additional evidence for the transmission of a female knowledge system from Africa to South Carolina. Despite the familiar logo of Uncle Ben on the converted rice marketed by that name in the United States, it was African women who perfected rice cooking in a distinctive manner that characterizes both African and Carolinian culinary traditions. The objective was to prepare dishes to prevent rice from clumping together, as in the Asian style, a plate where every grain remained separate. The method involved steaming and absorption, boiling rice first for 10-15 minutes, draining off excess water, removing the pan from direct heat for the grains to absorb the moisture, and leaving the pot covered for at least an hour before eating. This is the same manner in which rice is traditionally prepared throughout the West African rice region, where wood is scarce for cooking and the task for its procurement often the additional responsibility of women. A similar method of cooking rice is found in other areas of the African diaspora, for example among descendants of Saramaka maroons in Surinam who fled coastal sugar plantations for freedom during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries.”

SO MUCH NONSENSE FROM DONKEYS TO DEBUNK . . . SO LITTLE TIME

SMFH

10/25/187:18 PM

kpHonorary Member

Tola posted:
kp posted:
yuji22 posted:
caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:
Does anyone know the origin of Cook up or All in One as it is called in Berbice ?
Cook up rice evolved from the one pot dishes that are prevalent throughout all of the cultures that evolved out of plantation societies in the Americas. It is related to the Joloff rice of West Africa and some also attribute influences from Spain. Cooking with coconut milk was brought to the Americas by the Africans though these cooking styles are also prevalent in Asia. I guess wherever coconut trees exist.
Thank you Carib. My children were asking and I wanted an honest answer. I never prepare it without coconut milk, that is a must have ingredient.
I will let them know tonight.
Berbicians also put tomato sardine in their cook up.
That we did KP. It was New Brunswick sardines and we used the empty sardine tins as punts, or boats with a broom pointer and paper sail, to race each other in drains, after a rain fall.
We also used the empty sardine tins to make SAKAL-GATTA, a burnt brown sugar cookie.
When I did presentations at our children primary school regarding penfriends. I would make a bunch of brown sugar cookies [SAKAL-GATTA]. I always do it in the afternoons, because I did not want to leave a bunch of unruly 'sugared' students with a teacher.

Berbicians also cook sijan leaves ,we in WCD curry the sijan sticks.

10/25/187:21 PM

Former Member

Saijan stick curry is so good, my wife cooks it with eddoes. I had that yesterday.

The saijan leaves are chopped up and we usually cook it using coconut milk.

Wow, we Guyanese are amazing with the amount of meals that are so unique. Vish better take note of these meals.

He rass go get bassidy when we start talking bout Ghoja, Pera, Gata etc.

10/25/187:28 PM

kpHonorary Member

ronan posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
It is black man food though just as blacks learned how to cook curry chicken and some even roti some Indians also learned creole and Chinese Guyanese dishes.
This is questionable, as rice is traditionally an Asian food. Unless you are referring to cookup minus the rice.
indeed drugb, the only thing NOT “questionable” is your ineffable DUNCENESS
Let me help your poor education here:
http://journals.sagepub.com/do...7/096746080000700201
THE AFRICAN ORIGINS OF CAROLINA RICE CULTURE by Judith Carney
“. . . The Governor Sir William [Berkeley], caused half a bushel of Rice (which he had procured) to be sowen, and it prospered gallantly and he had fifteen bushels of it, excellent good Rice, so that all those fifteen bushels will be sowen again this year; and we doubt not in a short time to have Rice so plentiful as to afford it at 2d a pound if not cheaper, for we perceive the ground and Climate is very proper for it as our Negroes affirme, which in their Country is most of their food, and very health-ful for our bodies.
. . . An examination of rice cooking provides additional evidence for the transmission of a female knowledge system from Africa to South Carolina. Despite the familiar logo of Uncle Ben on the converted rice marketed by that name in the United States, it was African women who perfected rice cooking in a distinctive manner that characterizes both African and Carolinian culinary traditions. The objective was to prepare dishes to prevent rice from clumping together, as in the Asian style, a plate where every grain remained separate. The method involved steaming and absorption, boiling rice first for 10-15 minutes, draining off excess water, removing the pan from direct heat for the grains to absorb the moisture, and leaving the pot covered for at least an hour before eating. This is the same manner in which rice is traditionally prepared throughout the West African rice region, where wood is scarce for cooking and the task for its procurement often the additional responsibility of women. A similar method of cooking rice is found in other areas of the African diaspora, for example among descendants of Saramaka maroons in Surinam who fled coastal sugar plantations for freedom during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries.”
SO MUCH NONSENSE FROM DONKEYS TO DEBUNK . . . SO LITTLE TIME
SMFH

Tell me what Drugb said was wrong, he stated that Traditionally rice is an Asian food. Well what is wrong? You pick something up from the Internet and post with out relevance.

10/25/187:37 PM

kpHonorary Member

yuji22 posted:
Saijan stick curry is so good, my wife cooks it with eddoes. I had that yesterday.
The saijan leaves are chopped up and we usually cook it using coconut milk.
Wow, we Guyanese are amazing with the amount of meals that are so unique. Vish better take note of these meals.
He rass go get bassidy when we start talking bout Ghoja, Pera, Gata etc.

Well if he got a white woman he will starve. So he can take all the notes but he needs a good cook.

10/25/187:43 PM

DjangoAdmin

With all the different Guyanese dishes most of the ingredients are in Guyana locally,except flour,split peas and salt.

How will we starve ?

10/25/187:50 PM

kpHonorary Member

Django posted:
With all the different Guyanese dishes most of the ingredients are in Guyana locally,except flour,split peas and salt.
How will we starve ?

Substitute with rice flour, pigeon peas and time.

10/25/187:57 PM

Former Member

Does Vish knows after 6 PM he enter his home the reverse way and don’t sweep the dust out the house after 6 PM.

10/25/188:00 PM

Bibi HaniffaGNI Queen

yuji22 posted:
Does anyone know the origin of Cook up or All in One as it is called in Berbice ?

Cook Up originated on the plantations during the days of slavery. Rations were scarce and time was limited as the slaves worked long days. So to save on both, people would put their ingredients into one one pot and cook. Over time that dish evolved with the addition of seasonings and different types of meats, peas, etc. into the delicacy we know today.

10/25/188:03 PM

Former Member

Django posted:
With all the different Guyanese dishes most of the ingredients are in Guyana locally,except flour,split peas and salt.
How will we starve ?

There was rice, onion and salt, also fresh cow milk and rice with sugar.

10/25/188:07 PM

kpHonorary Member

Dave posted:
Does Vish knows after 6 PM he enter his home the reverse way and don’t sweep the dust out the house after 6 PM.

You do that when returning from a funeral.

10/25/188:09 PM

DjangoAdmin

Dave posted:
Django posted:
With all the different Guyanese dishes most of the ingredients are in Guyana locally,except flour,split peas and salt.
How will we starve ?
There was rice, onion and salt, also fresh cow milk and rice with sugar.

How about mar ,rice, with some chipped onions or shallot ,wiri wiri peppers and pinch of salt,it's got to be hot.

10/25/188:12 PM

DjangoAdmin

kp posted:
Dave posted:
Does Vish knows after 6 PM he enter his home the reverse way and don’t sweep the dust out the house after 6 PM.
You do that when returning from a funeral.

Thinking about it, no need to.

10/25/188:14 PM

Former Member

Dave posted:
Does Vish knows after 6 PM he enter his home the reverse way and don’t sweep the dust out the house after 6 PM.

He rass better know about Jumbie and Obeah Man now.

10/25/188:41 PM

kpHonorary Member

yuji22 posted:
Dave posted:
Does Vish knows after 6 PM he enter his home the reverse way and don’t sweep the dust out the house after 6 PM.
He rass better know about Jumbie and Obeah Man now.

Moon Gazer and Baccoo

10/25/188:49 PM

Former Member

kp posted:
ronan posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
It is black man food though just as blacks learned how to cook curry chicken and some even roti some Indians also learned creole and Chinese Guyanese dishes.
This is questionable, as rice is traditionally an Asian food. Unless you are referring to cookup minus the rice.
indeed drugb, the only thing NOT “questionable” is your ineffable DUNCENESS
Let me help your poor education here:
http://journals.sagepub.com/do...7/096746080000700201
THE AFRICAN ORIGINS OF CAROLINA RICE CULTURE by Judith Carney
“. . . The Governor Sir William [Berkeley], caused half a bushel of Rice (which he had procured) to be sowen, and it prospered gallantly and he had fifteen bushels of it, excellent good Rice, so that all those fifteen bushels will be sowen again this year; and we doubt not in a short time to have Rice so plentiful as to afford it at 2d a pound if not cheaper, for we perceive the ground and Climate is very proper for it as our Negroes affirme, which in their Country is most of their food, and very health-ful for our bodies.
. . . An examination of rice cooking provides additional evidence for the transmission of a female knowledge system from Africa to South Carolina. Despite the familiar logo of Uncle Ben on the converted rice marketed by that name in the United States, it was African women who perfected rice cooking in a distinctive manner that characterizes both African and Carolinian culinary traditions. The objective was to prepare dishes to prevent rice from clumping together, as in the Asian style, a plate where every grain remained separate. The method involved steaming and absorption, boiling rice first for 10-15 minutes, draining off excess water, removing the pan from direct heat for the grains to absorb the moisture, and leaving the pot covered for at least an hour before eating. This is the same manner in which rice is traditionally prepared throughout the West African rice region, where wood is scarce for cooking and the task for its procurement often the additional responsibility of women. A similar method of cooking rice is found in other areas of the African diaspora, for example among descendants of Saramaka maroons in Surinam who fled coastal sugar plantations for freedom during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries.”
SO MUCH NONSENSE FROM DONKEYS TO DEBUNK . . . SO LITTLE TIME
SMFH
Tell me what Drugb said was wrong, he stated that Traditionally rice is an Asian food. Well what is wrong? You pick something up from the Internet and post with out relevance.

instead of the usual, ignorant pout when confronted with inconvenient FACTS, if you took time to actually read my post, your 'question' would have been long answered

now, what exactly about "the internet" you got a problem with?

10/25/189:19 PM

BasemanSenior Member

The best cook-up rice is Black People cook-up!

10/25/189:54 PM

Former Member

ronan posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
It is black man food though just as blacks learned how to cook curry chicken and some even roti some Indians also learned creole and Chinese Guyanese dishes.
This is questionable, as rice is traditionally an Asian food. Unless you are referring to cookup minus the rice.
indeed drugb, the only thing NOT “questionable” is your ineffable DUNCENESS
Let me help your poor education here:
http://journals.sagepub.com/do...7/096746080000700201
THE AFRICAN ORIGINS OF CAROLINA RICE CULTURE by Judith Carney
“. . . The Governor Sir William [Berkeley], caused half a bushel of Rice (which he had procured) to be sowen, and it prospered gallantly and he had fifteen bushels of it, excellent good Rice, so that all those fifteen bushels will be sowen again this year; and we doubt not in a short time to have Rice so plentiful as to afford it at 2d a pound if not cheaper, for we perceive the ground and Climate is very proper for it as our Negroes affirme, which in their Country is most of their food, and very health-ful for our bodies.
. . . An examination of rice cooking provides additional evidence for the transmission of a female knowledge system from Africa to South Carolina. Despite the familiar logo of Uncle Ben on the converted rice marketed by that name in the United States, it was African women who perfected rice cooking in a distinctive manner that characterizes both African and Carolinian culinary traditions. The objective was to prepare dishes to prevent rice from clumping together, as in the Asian style, a plate where every grain remained separate. The method involved steaming and absorption, boiling rice first for 10-15 minutes, draining off excess water, removing the pan from direct heat for the grains to absorb the moisture, and leaving the pot covered for at least an hour before eating. This is the same manner in which rice is traditionally prepared throughout the West African rice region, where wood is scarce for cooking and the task for its procurement often the additional responsibility of women. A similar method of cooking rice is found in other areas of the African diaspora, for example among descendants of Saramaka maroons in Surinam who fled coastal sugar plantations for freedom during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries.”
SO MUCH NONSENSE FROM DONKEYS TO DEBUNK . . . SO LITTLE TIME
SMFH

Drugb dunceness aside, he REAL intent was to portray Africans as not being able to sustain themselves outside of help from other races (in this case Asian/Indian). In other words, "black man would starve if it wasn't fuh abie". It should sound familiar. That is the nasty racist we dealing wid in de man name Drugb. Little did he know it was Africans that taught the Asians how to handle rice. SMFH.

10/25/1810:04 PM

cainTired old hippie

Tola posted:
.......What do you call those cups and plates that would flake off a piece, if it dropped or hit on hard surface ?

Broken!

10/25/1810:45 PM

Former Member

kp posted:
yuji22 posted:
Dave posted:
Does Vish knows after 6 PM he enter his home the reverse way and don’t sweep the dust out the house after 6 PM.
He rass better know about Jumbie and Obeah Man now.
Moon Gazer and Baccoo

Wait until he hears about (Berbician Fire Rass) and Village Master.

He will pee his pants if he reads one page of the IndraJal. This one is for real.

10/25/1811:14 PM

Former Member

Iguana posted:
Drugb dunceness aside, he REAL intent was to portray Africans as not being able to sustain themselves outside of help from other races (in this case Asian/Indian). In other words, "black man would starve if it wasn't fuh abie". It should sound familiar. That is the nasty racist we dealing wid in de man name Drugb. Little did he know it was Africans that taught the Asians how to handle rice. SMFH.

i know druggie's MO is to try tek a piss pan blackman with any 'opportunity' he can manufacture

but he prappa DUNCE in not knowing that rice was a staple in the culture and diet of West African peoples for millennia before slavery and Indian indenture in the Americas. . . note his "cookup minus the rice" sneer

this is not to gainsay the huge impact of a highly developed, sophisticated cuisine brought to countries like Guyana from India and East Asia that we all enjoy

indeed, that cuisine can properly be said to have brought fundamental, transformative changes in the eating habits of former colonial masters in Western Europe . . . after all, the violent scramble by Europe for spices from the East is what started the voyages of exploration that led us to what and where we are today

10/25/1811:33 PM

TolaSenior Member

cain posted:
Tola posted:
.......What do you call those cups and plates that would flake off a piece, if it dropped or hit on hard surface ?
Broken!

Na, jus flaked-off like some on GNI.

10/26/1812:49 AM

cainTired old hippie

So its a tinin cup you talkin bout.

10/26/181:03 AM

TolaSenior Member

yuji22 posted:
kp posted:
yuji22 posted:
Dave posted:
Does Vish knows after 6 PM he enter his home the reverse way and don’t sweep the dust out the house after 6 PM.
He rass better know about Jumbie and Obeah Man now.
Moon Gazer and Baccoo
Wait until he hears about (Berbician Fire Rass) and Village Master.
He will pee his pants if he reads one page of the IndraJal. This one is for real.

Me did not hear about Village Master, but Old Albion had many Fire Rass, that suck blood on the neck from pregnant women, while they sleep.

They first had to remove their skin and hide it, before their Fire Rassing at night would wuk.

In our logie kitchen, we had large jar of ground Balla Fire pepper, that was used to rub on the skin of the Fire Rass. Next day if we see a person in our village with blisters on their skin, we will know they were a Fire Rass the night before.

In North America, me did not see any Fire Rass, but there were lots of blood sucking lawyers and politicians.

10/26/181:13 AM

TolaSenior Member

cain posted:
So its a tinin cup you talkin bout.

Long before me used tin or aluminum cups, we took enamel cups for the school milk/cookies breakfast feeding program. I believe it was a US Aid program with two hands shaking each other on the large powder milk bag.

Pieces of the enamel would flake off if the cup is dropped or hit a hard surface. The enamel coated the metal design of the cup and plate. The cup is usually useable, but it will have flakes of enamel off the cup.

10/26/181:36 AM

ballSenior Member

After reading the dialogue here as a Georgetown born and raised I can say I know of all and some of what was not mentioned about food and it's infusion into the Guyanese culture, Most of this information is going by the wayside due to lack of interest by the younger generation. What I see now in Guyana is that of a eat out take out food culture. On a visit I was invited to dinner by an old school friend I got there at 6.30 pm as agreed upon time, he offered me a drink and after a few he pulled out his cell phone and ordered food from the Chinese restaurant he also asked his wife and kids what they wanted to eat, I did not expect this. Anyway Tola the sardine that I remember that was used in the cookup was Marshalls sardines in tomato sauce.

10/26/182:26 AM

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