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Commentary: Smoke and mirrors: A closer look at Guyana's looming debt crisis
Published on April 14, 2014

 

By Avinash Pulchan, MFM, FQF

 

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Avinash Pulchan was born in Georgetown, raised in Corentyne, Berbice and attended President's College. He has a Masters in Financial Mathematics, Fundamentals in Quantitative Finance, and Bachelor of Science in Economics from the University of Minnesota. He is now preparing to pursue a PhD in Economics.

 

According to World Bank data, Guyana's external debt has risen over 117%, US$850,393,000 in 2008 to US$1,845,561,000 in 2012. During that same time period gross national income per capita (purchasing power parity) has increased only 25% from US$2,720 to US$3,400. Furthermore, personal remittances have increased a whopping 34% from US$278,436,000 to US$373,096,197 during the last four years. 

 

A common problem that lesser developed countries (LDCs) face, which Guyana falls into, is that of too much dependence on foreign nations and foreign entities. Guyana’s debt to GDP ratio increased from 44% (US$850,393,000/US$1,922,597,807) to 64.7% (US$1,845,561,000/US$2,850,572,407). A country’s debt-to-GDP ratio compares what a country owes to what it produces and is an indicator of the country’s ability to pay back its debt. Currently Guyana’s debt-to-GDP ratio of 64.7% is very unhealthy. 

 

Now some people are going to argue that other more developed nations have higher ratios but they must take into consideration that these countries are industrialized nations, where a large part of their debt is carried by their citizens and not foreign entities. Secondly, these nations are economies unto themselves and global macroeconomic stress is mitigated through their diverse economic systems. 

Guyana’s external debt leaves it at the mercy of its debtors and it definitely doesn’t have a diverse economy; Guyana has shifted to an ill-advised import-based economy, which I will discuss in a moment. 

In light of Guyana’s indebtedness it would be a travesty to Guyanese of epic proportions to raise the debt ceiling. Foremost is the fact that, despite the much hyped years of economic growth as measured by GDP, Guyana is still running a budget deficit, meaning the Guyanese government is spending more money than it generates in revenues. As of 2012, the budget deficit is -5.9% of GDP. 

 

Guyanese citizens need to realize that the country’s debt is their debt. They need to ask the government how they plan on repaying the debt; what percent of GDP will be used towards debt repayment? What are the interest rates on loans? Are these rates fixed, variable, capped? Are the loans hedged to the US dollar or Guyanese dollar? How will the government combat inflation in face of a growing external debt? 

The opposition should also critically analyze the balance of payments account for Guyana and see why is there a budget deficit? They should do a trend analysis on the balance of payments account to see if there are common factors affecting the current account, capital account, and cash reserve account over the past years. This would lead to better allocations of funds over the long term and curtailment of inefficient macroeconomic policies. 

Guyanese should keep in mind that Guyana’s debt has increased 117% (US$995,168,000 = US$1,845,561,000 – US$850,393,000) over the last four years and what has this increase translated to for the development of Guyana? 

If the national debt ceiling is increased to allow the Amaila Hydro Power development initiative, how long will it take for the benefits to reach all Guyanese people? Has an independent-neutral party done a cost-benefit analysis on the feasibility of this undertaking? If differences arise from various feasibility studies of this project can they be reconciled? What are the terms of the financing of such a project? What are the positive/negative externalities of the Amaila Project? Will it create jobs for Guyanese? What are the environmental impacts? 

Much has been harped on about the economic progress Guyana has made in recent years such as “Guyana on course to record eight consecutive years of positive economic growth: New ECLAC report says Guyana expected to surpass CARICOM partners in economic growth this year” as reported in the Chronicle. 

Retired professor at New York University and author of the foremost textbook on Economic Development, Michael Todaro noted, “Economic development cannot be measured solely in terms of the level and growth of overall income or income per capita; one must also look at how that income is distributed among the population – at who benefits from employment and why.” 

GDP growth rate is not a true reflection of the economic health of a nation. That is why the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) developed the Human Development Index (HDI), which is used as a holistic measure of living levels. Upon examining the components of GDP and the HDI, one can then decide whether a country is achieving sustainable economic growth. 

Gross domestic product (GDP) is calculated as the sum of consumption (C), investment (I), government purchases (G), and net exports (NX), which is exports minus imports. I will focus on all C, I, and NX but only briefly on G because it will require an article unto itself. 

Guyana’s GDP growth (annual %) has increased from 2.0% in 2008 to 4.8% in 2012, GDP (current US$) increased from US$1,922,597,807 to US$2,850,572,407, a 48.2% increase. During this same time period its GDP per capita (measured in current US$) increased from US$2,478 to $3,584, a 44.6% increase. 

Personal remittances (measured in current US$) increased from US$278,436,000 to US$373,096,197, a 34% increase. Now an observer will say those numbers are great, but if he/she delves deeper, the numbers tell a sad tale. Personal remittances as a percentage of GDP were 13.09% in 2012. What happens to personal remittances? Well, these remittances are pumped into in economy via consumption (C) and investment (I) and these artificially inflate GDP growth rate. Thus the government of Guyana should not take too much credit for the GDP growth rate since some of it is due to remittances. 

Many studies, including a study on the impact of remittances on poverty in developing countries conducted by the United Nations Conference on Trade and Economic Development in 2011, corroborate this claim. 

An alarming statistic is that of the Guyana’s general government final consumption expenditure (as a % of GDP), which is the G component in the calculation of GDP. Per data from the World Bank, Guyana’s general government final consumption expenditure (as a % of GDP) stayed at 15% from 2008 to the present but during this same time Guyana’s debt increased 117%, from 44% of GDP to 64.7% of GDP. 

Where is all of Guyana’s debt going? It is definitely not used to finance government purchases because that has remained at a constant 15% for the last five years. 

Finally, the examination of the net export (NX) component of GDP tells an ominous tale of what developmental economists term “growth without development”. Guyana is running a trade deficit, that is, imports exceed exports. In 2011 Guyana exported US$1.18 billion compared to imports of US$1.46 billion (deficit of US$0.28 billion) and in 2012 the deficit increased to US$0.75 billion (exports US$1.311 billion minus imports US$2.065 billion). 

In order for less developed countries such as Guyana to sustainably develop and wean dependence on foreign economic entities, they need to foster growth in a local subsistence economy that will actively engage citizens so that they can shoulder some of the development responsibilities. However, the Guyanese government has increasingly increased imports at a higher rate than exports. Thus, more goods and services are being imported to Guyana that can actually be produced locally at a comparative advantage. This type of policy leads to an abhorrent unemployment rate of 21% over the last four years and expounding this statistic will lead to a positive correlation between the increase in crimes and other social problems.

For those detractors of my points above, please let me use a couple of statistics so that irrational arguments and overgeneralizations do not come into play. Ethiopia and Niger experienced GDP growth (annual %) of 8.5% and 11.2% respectively in 2012 while the United States and Germany experienced 2.2% and 0.7% respectively. 

Now you don’t see people migrating from the United States and Germany to Ethiopia and Niger to live because the African nations have such high GDP growth rates; the world GDP growth rate was 4.9% in 2010 and 3.7% in 2011 so the world on average has experienced economic growth. 

My point is that Guyana’s 4.8% GDP growth rate is misleading and it hides the social and macroeconomic problems plaguing the country. 

The government is not implementing development initiatives that will foster a robust local economy that will complement the increase in foreign investments. Their focus on large infrastructure development will not create jobs in the long run or short run because the labour force in Guyana is not being equipped with the tools needed to maximize the potential benefits of these infrastructures. 

The opposition should ask the government how many engineers and skilled technicians will be needed to run the Amaila Hydro Power Facility; how many Guyanese possess these skills? Are there training programs, study abroad programs to educate Guyanese in these areas? For instance educating a couple of miners on operating new mining equipment is different than educating them on how to fix the equipment in the case of a breakdown. 

The government needs to focus on local development strategies to promote sustainable economic growth and well-being locally. They should use information from all the different case studies by development economists that point out the pitfalls of LDCs and how to avoid them. 

The Guyanese government should look at the work of Nobel Laureate and economist Muhammad Yunus of Bangladesh, who pioneered microcredit lending, and the Grameen Bank, which did wonders for that country, and something along those lines will be instrumental for economic progress in Guyana. Now there is a big difference with naming an institution microcredit and having it perform the duties of a microcredit institution. The reason I point that out is because I’ve already investigated microcredit lending in Guyana and it is very different from what microcredit lending needs to be.

Therefore in order for Guyanese to achieve what Mahatma Gandhi called “the realization of the human potential”, they must demand changes to inefficient policies of trade, micro and macroeconomics, fiscal and monetary that foster “underdevelopment” in Guyana. 

The Land of Many Waters currently has a budget deficit, trade deficit, a malfunctioning, barely existent local economy, unemployment in excess of 21.00% and a GDP growth rate that is misleading due to the impact of remittances. 

The following analogy sums up the pervading mindset of the Guyanese government: what is the use of an economics textbook to an illiterate person? Sure that textbook can be purchased for US$100 but is it worth US$100 to an illiterate person? Definitely not. It could be worth that of toilet paper or fuel for a stove. 

The point is why build a bridge over a river, expand an airport, harness a waterfall, when at this moment Guyanese people don’t need them? The enormous amount of funds used for these projects can be used to improve the lives of Guyanese by creating a sustainable local economy that will generate earnings for Guyanese and tax earnings for the government in both the short and long-run? 

The government in Guyana needs to stop copying what they see happening in industrialized nations because Guyana is still a developing economy that has different initial conditions of modern economic growth than those experienced by already developed nations. Guyana is unique in its physical and human capital and resources, population size, distribution, and growth rate, etc. Therefore, responsible fiscal, monetary, and macroeconomic policies need to be tailored and implemented for the economic condition of Guyana. 

Guyanese who visit Guyana always say that Guyana has changed for the better, everybody has a car now, there are dishwashers and microwaves, and even cane cutters have cell phones. Well, is it really development? I want these same people to Google search cell phones in Africa, or televisions in the Philippines and they will see that people in those places have technology too. In an increasingly global economy, technology transcends borders and Guyanese would’ve experienced these technological innovations regardless of which political party is in power. 

The Guyanese people need to know that they will have to shoulder the burgeoning debt of Guyana and should always examine and scrutinize any government projects that require more national debt because a continuous budget deficit, trade deficit, barely existent local economy, an unskilled labour force, high unemployment rate resulting in social ills, etc. are all ingredients of a concoction that will result in a vicious, self-perpetuating cycle of “growth without development” in Guyana where those in power will continue to enjoy a decadent lifestyle while the common Guyanese will continue to languish in mediocrity without achieving their full potential.

 

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"According to World Bank data, Guyana's external debt has risen over 117%, US$850,393,000 in 2008 to US$1,845,561,000 in 2012.

 

An alarming statistic is that of the Guyana’s general government final consumption expenditure (as a % of GDP), which is the G component in the calculation of GDP. Per data from the World Bank, Guyana’s general government final consumption expenditure (as a % of GDP) stayed at 15% from 2008 to the present but during this same time Guyana’s debt increased 117%, from 44% of GDP to 64.7% of GDP. 

Where is all of Guyana’s debt going? It is definitely not used to finance government purchases because that has remained at a constant 15% for the last five years."

 

Ask yourself what happened to US$ 1 Billion over the five year period in question. That's a staggering amount of debt added on for such a small country with nothing to show for it. Except of course for a few mansions and lots of saving by the corrupt PPP. 

Mars

Push...no comment here from he PPP gang here either! Imagine if we had Amalia going! The debt load would be 4 billion and with the Airport renovation in  progress and other leech projects from the specialty hospital to the Marriott on line we would be royally screwed.  PPP seems intent on practicing a virulent form of crony capitalism. 

FM

Guyanese who visit Guyana always say that Guyana has changed for the better, everybody has a car now, there are dishwashers and microwaves, and even cane cutters have cell phones. Well, is it really development? I want these same people to Google search cell phones in Africa, or televisions in the Philippines and they will see that people in those places have technology too. In an increasingly global economy, technology transcends borders and Guyanese would’ve experienced these technological innovations regardless of which political party is in power

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Nehru:

America Debt gone over board for over 15 years now and look at us the ENVY of the World. Al YUh relax and enjoy the ride.

only a morally depraved GT antiman would admonish Guyanese to "relax" and "enjoy" a no-vaseline bu**ering by the PPP

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

America Debt gone over board for over 15 years now and look at us the ENVY of the World. Al YUh relax and enjoy the ride.

only a morally depraved GT antiman would admonish Guyanese to "relax" and "enjoy" a no-vaseline bu**ering by the PPP

YUh seh Antiman, but dat is not what I does hear when I in yuh neighborhood. Is more like Uncle Joe gimme moe leh me go.!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

America Debt gone over board for over 15 years now and look at us the ENVY of the World. Al YUh relax and enjoy the ride.

only a morally depraved GT antiman would admonish Guyanese to "relax" and "enjoy" a no-vaseline bu**ering by the PPP

YUh seh Antiman, but dat is not what I does hear when I in yuh neighborhood. Is more like Uncle Joe gimme moe leh me go.!!!!!!!!!!!!

i live in a conservative Jewish neighborhood . . . lawless, ignorant GT antiman not welcome

 

u claiming to be a 'pitcher' not a 'catcher' is of no interest to me

 

who*ing [defined] requires use of mouth, bt and whatever low grade of penis u have . . . consult kwamee if u need skills training or guidance, arite?

FM
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Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

America Debt gone over board for over 15 years now and look at us the ENVY of the World. Al YUh relax and enjoy the ride.

only a morally depraved GT antiman would admonish Guyanese to "relax" and "enjoy" a no-vaseline bu**ering by the PPP

YUh seh Antiman, but dat is not what I does hear when I in yuh neighborhood. Is more like Uncle Joe gimme moe leh me go.!!!!!!!!!!!!

i live in a conservative Jewish neighborhood . . . lawless, ignorant GT antiman not welcome

 

u claiming to be a 'pitcher' not a 'catcher' is of no interest to me

 

who*ing [defined] requires use of mouth, bt and whatever low grade of penis u have . . . consult kwamee if u need skills training or guidance, arite?

KwAME WHEN i GAT THINGS IN YUH NEIGHBORHOOD.

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

America Debt gone over board for over 15 years now and look at us the ENVY of the World. Al YUh relax and enjoy the ride.

only a morally depraved GT antiman would admonish Guyanese to "relax" and "enjoy" a no-vaseline bu**ering by the PPP

YUh seh Antiman, but dat is not what I does hear when I in yuh neighborhood. Is more like Uncle Joe gimme moe leh me go.!!!!!!!!!!!!

i live in a conservative Jewish neighborhood . . . lawless, ignorant GT antiman not welcome

 

u claiming to be a 'pitcher' not a 'catcher' is of no interest to me

 

who*ing [defined] requires use of mouth, bt and whatever low grade of penis u have . . . consult kwamee if u need skills training or guidance, arite?

KwAME WHEN i GAT THINGS IN YUH NEIGHBORHOOD.

nothing sadder than a ole, bruk-up, drunken antiman . . . in another time and place i would feel sorry for u

 

imagine . . . asking people to bend over and "enjoy" PPP rape

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

America Debt gone over board for over 15 years now and look at us the ENVY of the World. Al YUh relax and enjoy the ride.

only a morally depraved GT antiman would admonish Guyanese to "relax" and "enjoy" a no-vaseline bu**ering by the PPP

YUh seh Antiman, but dat is not what I does hear when I in yuh neighborhood. Is more like Uncle Joe gimme moe leh me go.!!!!!!!!!!!!

i live in a conservative Jewish neighborhood . . . lawless, ignorant GT antiman not welcome

 

u claiming to be a 'pitcher' not a 'catcher' is of no interest to me

 

who*ing [defined] requires use of mouth, bt and whatever low grade of penis u have . . . consult kwamee if u need skills training or guidance, arite?

KwAME WHEN i GAT THINGS IN YUH NEIGHBORHOOD.

nothing sadder than a ole, bruk-up, drunken antiman . . . in another time and place i would feel sorry for u

You feeling sorry for me BUT I am the one who should feel sorry for you. I am a Postman in your neighborhood.  Sometimes I even deliver MILK.

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

America Debt gone over board for over 15 years now and look at us the ENVY of the World. Al YUh relax and enjoy the ride.

only a morally depraved GT antiman would admonish Guyanese to "relax" and "enjoy" a no-vaseline bu**ering by the PPP

YUh seh Antiman, but dat is not what I does hear when I in yuh neighborhood. Is more like Uncle Joe gimme moe leh me go.!!!!!!!!!!!!

i live in a conservative Jewish neighborhood . . . lawless, ignorant GT antiman not welcome

 

u claiming to be a 'pitcher' not a 'catcher' is of no interest to me

 

who*ing [defined] requires use of mouth, bt and whatever low grade of penis u have . . . consult kwamee if u need skills training or guidance, arite?

KwAME WHEN i GAT THINGS IN YUH NEIGHBORHOOD.

nothing sadder than a ole, bruk-up, drunken antiman . . . in another time and place i would feel sorry for u

You feeling sorry for me BUT I am the one who should feel sorry for you. I am a Postman in your neighborhood.  Sometimes I even deliver MILK.

read carefully retard . . . i do not feel sorry for u

 

i suggest intensive night skool to cure your illiteracy . . . the other things will be 'cured' only when some scary disease kills u

FM
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Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

America Debt gone over board for over 15 years now and look at us the ENVY of the World. Al YUh relax and enjoy the ride.

only a morally depraved GT antiman would admonish Guyanese to "relax" and "enjoy" a no-vaseline bu**ering by the PPP

YUh seh Antiman, but dat is not what I does hear when I in yuh neighborhood. Is more like Uncle Joe gimme moe leh me go.!!!!!!!!!!!!

i live in a conservative Jewish neighborhood . . . lawless, ignorant GT antiman not welcome

 

u claiming to be a 'pitcher' not a 'catcher' is of no interest to me

 

who*ing [defined] requires use of mouth, bt and whatever low grade of penis u have . . . consult kwamee if u need skills training or guidance, arite?

KwAME WHEN i GAT THINGS IN YUH NEIGHBORHOOD.

nothing sadder than a ole, bruk-up, drunken antiman . . . in another time and place i would feel sorry for u

You feeling sorry for me BUT I am the one who should feel sorry for you. I am a Postman in your neighborhood.  Sometimes I even deliver MILK.

read carefully retard . . . i do not feel sorry for u

 

i suggest intensive night skool to cure your illiteracy . . . the other things will be 'cured' only when some scary disease kills u

With your displayed illiteracy you should have been gone already.

Nehru

The Guyanese government should look at the work of Nobel Laureate and economist Muhammad Yunus of Bangladesh, who pioneered microcredit lending, and the Grameen Bank, which did wonders for that country, and something along those lines will be instrumental for economic progress in Guyana. Now there is a big difference with naming an institution microcredit and having it perform the duties of a microcredit institution. The reason I point that out is because I’ve already investigated microcredit lending in Guyana and it is very different from what microcredit lending needs to be.

 

 

This guy is telling Guyanese people to mind Goats.

Go read about this guy's business idea involving the rearing of goats.

 

He does not think building infra-structures such as a Berbice River Bridge or Expansion of our main airport is good for the economy. Maybe he is looking for job with the AFC/PNC boys.

Billy Ram Balgobin
Originally Posted by Nehru:

America Debt gone over board for over 15 years now and look at us the ENVY of the World. Al YUh relax and enjoy the ride.

America ia a mature first world economy so what in the world would compel you to make such a stupid comparison?

FM
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

Debt/GDP ration in 1992 was 563% of GDP. That was a case of serious debt crisis. Today  our debt is 58% of GDP and this guy is sounding the alarm bell about a looming debt crisis. It's exxageration

We are borrowing from China that is the main difference. Our GDB is build on froth. There is no sustainable productive capacity and we are not building any with these escalated spending. Further, much of the money goes into boutique economic adventure that is build on a hope and a promise but all with dire consequences for us and loads of graft for the PPP.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

America Debt gone over board for over 15 years now and look at us the ENVY of the World. Al YUh relax and enjoy the ride.

America ia a mature first world economy so what in the world would compel you to make such a stupid comparison?

Answers like this is what really elevate the quality of GNI.

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

America Debt gone over board for over 15 years now and look at us the ENVY of the World. Al YUh relax and enjoy the ride.

America ia a mature first world economy so what in the world would compel you to make such a stupid comparison?

Answers like this is what really elevate the quality of GNI.

I am sorry your poor schooling did not prepare you to grasp the reality of that statement.

FM

Stormy,

 

Who is not borrowing from China today? Guyana borrows from China as well as the Caribbean Development Bank. If the World Bank, CBD, or China National Development Bank sounds the alarm bell then I would I take it very seriously. Pulchand could very well be a bright and well-meaning young economist, but he could be wrong about a looming debt crisis. Economists are very often wrong on their predictions.

Billy Ram Balgobin
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

America Debt gone over board for over 15 years now and look at us the ENVY of the World. Al YUh relax and enjoy the ride.

America ia a mature first world economy so what in the world would compel you to make such a stupid comparison?

Answers like this is what really elevate the quality of GNI.

I am sorry your poor schooling did not prepare you to grasp the reality of that statement.

Ow Buddy meh praise yuh den yuh kno. Or I have to explain dat too.

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

America Debt gone over board for over 15 years now and look at us the ENVY of the World. Al YUh relax and enjoy the ride.

America ia a mature first world economy so what in the world would compel you to make such a stupid comparison?

Answers like this is what really elevate the quality of GNI.

I am sorry your poor schooling did not prepare you to grasp the reality of that statement.

Ow Buddy meh praise yuh den yuh kno. Or I have to explain dat too.

you are allergic to explaining and that is putting it mildly, Most would say it is an alien concept. You represent that ubiquitous quality of the PPPite; given to racist nonsense, cussing or appealing to your god like intellect which no one ever sees expressed.

FM
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

Stormy,

 

Who is not borrowing from China today? Guyana borrows from China as well as the Caribbean Development Bank. If the World Bank, CBD, or China National Development Bank sounds the alarm bell then I would I take it very seriously. Pulchand could very well be a bright and well-meaning young economist, but he could be wrong about a looming debt crisis. Economists are very often wrong on their predictions.

the ppp do not have to worry about paying back the debts you and kwame will bugger your way out of it 

FM
Originally Posted by Nehru:

America Debt gone over board for over 15 years now and look at us the ENVY of the World. Al YUh relax and enjoy the ride.

I guess you are too illiterate to understand.  US debt is denominated in US dollars.  Given the size of the US economy and the depth of its markets, and the fact that the US$ is the international reserve currency they will never have problems raising debt, or repaying it.

 

Guyana on the other hand has a worthless currency, which means that it must service its debt in US $, which it has to earn through the exports of goods and services, or remittances.  An indebted Guyana will end up exactly where the PNC left.  Only thing is there will be no debt write-off this time.  The gov;t will have to pay every penny back. A substantial portion of this debt is funded from treasury purchases by local institutions, so if the gov't reneges on its commitment to make prompt payments, the viability of this sector becomes threatened.

 

I know you like to rant about who is buggering who, so I understand why more sophisticated comments are beyond your ability to comprehend.  You are like one of the sheep on Animal Farm.    "four legs good, two legs BETTER"!

FM
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

Stormy,

 

Who is not borrowing from China today? Guyana borrows from China as well as the Caribbean Development Bank. If the World Bank, CBD, or China National Development Bank sounds the alarm bell then I would I take it very seriously. .

The Chinese will merely pull down the Guyana flag, raise the Chinese flag, make Mandarin the official language and send all you PPP frauds to a concentration camp.

 

The WB and the CDB have already cautioned Guyana to diversify its economy.  The WB also saying that Guyana must pursue "inclusive governance". in other words cut out your racist behavior!

FM

Guyana's economy is nowhere near where it was when the PNC departed from office. The gov't has no trouble servicing the national debt. Eight years of consecuitive economic growth is something to be proud about.

Billy Ram Balgobin

You failed to mention that the WB asked the gov't. of Guyana to layoff three thousand public servants. The Gov't refused to go along with the WB's recommendation because such a move would hurt Afro-Guyanese the most.

How can you justifiably make a charge of racism against the gov't. in light of this fact?

Billy Ram Balgobin
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

Guyana's economy is nowhere near where it was when the PNC departed from office. The gov't has no trouble servicing the national debt. Eight years of consecuitive economic growth is something to be proud about.

The "civil servants" who the WB wanted laid off are all those high priced "specialty consultants" with their super salaries.  Few of them are black.

 

As we can see with Linden the PPP doesn't care squat about blacks.

 

And with the PPP intent in doubling its debt with various dubious projects, what will be the future if remittances and gold prices decline?  And Maduro tossed out of office, allowing Venezuela to buy rice from the cheapest sources, which might not be Guyana.

 

The PNC started out well until they made mistakes and then the  cake crumbled very quickly.

FM
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There is nothing to suggest the the PPP planned to double the national debt. Even, if that is case there is nothing to fuss about so long as the projects that they are investing in are viable and the gov't has the ability to re-pay.

 

As for the risks involved in trading with Venezuela the gov't of Guyana is not alone. Other countries trading with Venezuela and are part of the Petro-Caribe initiative will be affected too. Government's like businesses operate in environment of uncertainty. We do not know exactly what will happen in the markets. We can predict and get some of it right but not all of the times.

 

 

 

 

Billy Ram Balgobin

WB officials in Guyana were told by the opposition that the Guyanese work for US$100 per month. The WB's officials asked what percentage of the civil service earns minimum wage. The opposition refused to say. There is no way that three thousand civil servants enjoy fat salaries. That is a lie.

Billy Ram Balgobin
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

You failed to mention that the WB asked the gov't. of Guyana to layoff three thousand public servants. The Gov't refused to go along with the WB's recommendation because such a move would hurt Afro-Guyanese the most.

How can you justifiably make a charge of racism against the gov't. in light of this fact?

You failed to mention the lucrative contracts that the PPP have awarded its friends and cronies.

 

You don't live in Guyana nor do you have any interests.

Mitwah

There will always be some problems with contractors working for the gov't or any private business. Contractors sometimes overcharge for their work, or do shoddy work at a lower cost to increase their profitability. The gov't knows that it has been ripped off by some contractors.

Billy Ram Balgobin
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

There will always be some problems with contractors working for the gov't or any private business. Contractors sometimes overcharge for their work, or do shoddy work at a lower cost to increase their profitability. The gov't knows that it has been ripped off by some contractors.

We are talking about the Civil Service. Contracts for projects is how the PPP is able to steal from the populace. Why does Guyana need 2 treasuries?

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

Guyana's economy is nowhere near where it was when the PNC departed from office. The gov't has no trouble servicing the national debt. Eight years of consecuitive economic growth is something to be proud about.

2012 Budget Debate…Guyana’s debt higher than 1992 – Moses Nagamootoo

April 13, 2012 | By | Filed Under News 

Guyana is more indebted than it was 20 years ago. At least that is what Moses Nagamootoo, the Alliance For Change (AFC) Parliamentarian, expressed

Moses Nagamootoo

in his presentation during the Parliamentary debate on the $192.8B National Budget on Tuesday. In a fiery presentation, Nagamootoo insisted that Guyana’s debt is now about a $1B more than it was in 1992. In that year, when there was a change of government to the People’s Progressive Party/Civic (PPP/C), the debt stood at US$2.1B. “In pure Guyana dollars terms, without looking at percentage of GDP or other factors, at the then prevailing rate of G$125 to US$1, the 1992 debt was $252,500,000,000. Today, 20 years later, and in spite of write-offs, cancellation and rescheduling, our national debt stands at US$1.2 B which, at the current buying rate of G$207 to US$1, amounts to G$253,400,000,000 – nearly $1B more over 1992,” he told the National Assembly. Nagamootoo, a former senior executive of the PPP who moved over to the AFC shortly before the November 28th General and Regional Elections, said that no amount of statistical juggling would hide the reality that in fiscal terms, Guyana is like a dog chasing its own tail. “We are once again in the middle of the vicious debt circle. There is no comparison between the effects, impact and miseries caused by the old debt and the new debt, amortization of which has not started to kick in. But there is no pride in boasting about our debt stock either. And with borrowing expected to exceed $26 billion this year alone, we will set a new record high national debt ceiling.”

Mitwah

I guess we should use Moses' methodology to show the difference between the minimum then and now. Lets do it!

 

1992  Mininum wage   US$25          G$3,125.00 (using a conversions rate of 125)

 

2014  Minium wage     US192          G$39,744.00  (using a conversion rate of $207 for $1US)

 

How about if we do with GDP? 

Moses knows why knows why he stated "without looking at GDP". You cannot say the debt is worse off by ignoring the GDP and the gov't. ability to service it.

 

Billy Ram Balgobin
Last edited by Billy Ram Balgobin
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

so long as the projects that they are investing in are viable and the gov't has the ability to re-pay.

 

 

 

 

 

The end of Petro Caribe is double jeopardy for Guyana.  Not only does the energy bill rise, but a guaranteed market for rice dries up.  Guyana will then have to be competitive with other suppliers.

 

Yes we do worry about the viability of many of these projects, plus the bloated costs due to PPP corruption and awards of fraudulent contracts to their crony capitalists friends.  The PPP reminds me of the PNC around 1973.

FM
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

I guess we should use Moses' methodology to show the difference between the minimum then and now. Lets do it!

 

1992  Mininum wage   US$25          G$3,125.00 (using a conversions rate of 125)

 

2014  Minium wage     US192          G$39,744.00  (using a conversion rate of $207 for $1US)

 

How about if we do with GDP? 

Moses knows why knows why he stated "without looking at GDP". You cannot say the debt is worse off by ignoring the GDP and the gov't. ability to service it.

 

Of course you didn't factor in

 

1.  distribution of income, which is definitely more skewed than it used to be  AND

 

2.  Purchasing power.

FM
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

 There is no way that three thousand civil servants enjoy fat salaries. That is a lie.

No the super salaries of the 100 or so PPP cronies is equivalent to 3,000 civil servants.  Those guys make over US$ 100,000 p.a.  Your average civil servant ekes out a living on US$2,500-3,000 p.a.  When he visits Barbados he is too embarrassed to reveal his salary as he knows that baby sitters on that island make 3X more than he does.

FM
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

 The gov't knows that it has been ripped off by some contractors.

And rewards them by giving them more contracts.  Only PPP crones get this, and on condition that they leave a piece in a PPP officials hands.

FM

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