It seems like Indians are scarce in pictures of social cohesion in keeping up with the coalition one year anniversary. We witness the same on Republic day 2016, and the same is expected on May 26, 2016. Congratulation to the PNC/AFC for their continued failures.

Cobra posted:

It seems like Indians are scarce in pictures of social cohesion in keeping up with the coalition one year anniversary. We witness the same on Republic day 2016, and the same is expected on May 26, 2016. Congratulation to the PNC/AFC for their continued failures.

So we can conclude that Indians don't want Social Cohesion.

You know one can dislike a gov't and still participate in an event which Guyana badly needs.

It is obvious racism is doing well in Guyana. I cannot view the pictures, only can go by the posts so far. 

At PPP events, Indians are out in great numbers, likewise at PNC events, Blacks are predominant.

No political organizations seems to be too concerned with that trend.

Suh all is well, as far as those groups are concerned.

If the President wishes to set a new trend, then he has to find the Indians to mentor the masses of the Indo communities. It is obvious Nagamoottoo and Ramjattan cannot do it. HE needs to find Guyanese Indians who can remove the shackles placed upon the hearts and souls of the East Indians by the Jagans.

It is not that Indo are racists, as pronounced upon by the anti-Indo gang, rather, East Indians need to know their purpose in making Guyana a decent place to live and visit. 

They need to get on board.

And Granger has that responsibility, it is a new era.

seignet posted:

It is obvious racism is doing well in Guyana. I cannot view the pictures, only can go by the posts so far. 

At PPP events, Indians are out in great numbers, likewise at PNC events, Blacks are predominant.

No political organizations seems to be too concerned with that trend.

Suh all is well, as far as those groups are concerned.

If the President wishes to set a new trend, then he has to find the Indians to mentor the masses of the Indo communities. It is obvious Nagamoottoo and Ramjattan cannot do it. HE needs to find Guyanese Indians who can remove the shackles placed upon the hearts and souls of the East Indians by the Jagans.

It is not that Indo are racists, as pronounced upon by the anti-Indo gang, rather, East Indians need to know their purpose in making Guyana a decent place to live and visit. 

They need to get on board.

And Granger has that responsibility, it is a new era.

 

Good points Siege,Granger and Nagamotoo together need to visit all the Indian communities interact with them and listen to their concerns,maybe their will be boycotts and people may not show up that should not be taken as a deterrent,great leaders cast that aside.

Django posted:

seignet posted:

It is obvious racism is doing well in Guyana. I cannot view the pictures, only can go by the posts so far. 

At PPP events, Indians are out in great numbers, likewise at PNC events, Blacks are predominant.

No political organizations seems to be too concerned with that trend.

Suh all is well, as far as those groups are concerned.

If the President wishes to set a new trend, then he has to find the Indians to mentor the masses of the Indo communities. It is obvious Nagamoottoo and Ramjattan cannot do it. HE needs to find Guyanese Indians who can remove the shackles placed upon the hearts and souls of the East Indians by the Jagans.

It is not that Indo are racists, as pronounced upon by the anti-Indo gang, rather, East Indians need to know their purpose in making Guyana a decent place to live and visit. 

They need to get on board.

And Granger has that responsibility, it is a new era.

 

Good points Siege,Granger and Nagamotoo together need to visit all the Indian communities interact with them and listen to their concerns,maybe their will be boycotts and people may not show up that should not be taken as a deterrent,great leaders cast that aside.

What makes you think that the great majority of Indo-guyanese will listen to Moses and kemraj? Look what happened when a small percentage of the believed their lies during the election campaign about the PM having real power, transparency, no corrupt practices, increased pensions and a better standard of living for seniors, high paddy prices, no sugar estates to be closed down.

People who voted for them wanted real change. Instead, we know that they lied, the people got exchange, while Moses and kemraj gat the big change in terms of the fat raise increase, the workers got either unemployment or small change. 

Social cohesion cannot be mandated or top down in approach. this puerile nonsense that is being peddled is all about narrative, control and show. The divide we have in Guyana has a long and painful history and until we accept what groups have done to each other (and I am not referring only to the race issue) and make genuine efforts to reconcile, to heal, to accept and respect each other as having a right to be here, to not be objectified, to be active participants in things that affect our daily lives and future, until we can build a shared vision of the future, carry it out successfully and be a valuable and valued part of that future, nothing will change!

seignet posted:

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And Granger has that responsibility, it is a new era.

 

And when he tried to do so Indians don't respond?   The entire campaign "Love & Unity" was about an attempt to move Guyana beyond the racism of its past.

What ever you might say that is negative about Granger, not acknowledging the need to reach out to Indians isn't one. The man even went to campaign in RH!

Django posted:

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Good points Siege,Granger and Nagamotoo together need to visit all the Indian communities interact with them and listen to their concerns,maybe their will be boycotts and people may not show up that should not be taken as a deterrent,great leaders cast that aside.

They have already being doing so.  As well as in the Amerindian areas.

I can ask the question as to why Granger didn't do the same in the African areas. He had to be dragged kicking and screaming to Linden.

Zed posted:

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People who voted for them wanted real change. Instead, we know that they lied, the people got exchange, .

And what is "racial" about this?  Did the civil servants, the army, or the police, get raises that were promised?  How are Indians being uniquely punished?

What ever one can say about these, there are more Indians in leadership slots than there were blacks under the Jagdeo regime. 

Zed posted:

.until we accept what groups have done to each other (and I am not referring only to the race issue) and make genuine efforts to reconcile, to heal, to accept and respect each other as having a right to be here, to not be objectified, to be active participants in things that affect our daily lives and future, until we can build a shared vision of the future, carry it out successfully and be a valuable and valued part of that future, nothing will change!

So let us discuss this.  Walter Rodney, David Hinds, Clive Thomas, and other Africans blatantly criticized the racism of an African dictatorship.

When post election violence occurred Eusi, David Hinds, Andaiye, and others said "Not in MY NAME".

I think that the time has come for an honest PUBLIC discussion among Indians as to their role in all of this. And I don't mean only people like Chris Ram, Roopnarine, and Freddie K, who are probably liked more among blacks than among Indians.

Right now it does appear as if there is greater willingness among Africans to discuss their role in the racial quagmire, and to discuss how the excesses of the Burnham era negatively impacted non Africans.

We just don't see the same discussion among Indians!  The few who do face severe censure from the Indo majority.  Just look at GNI and what Gilbakka, TK, Django and a few others must endure.

I can only speak for myself. Yes, the conversations have to happen within all groups. Hinds and others can say what they want, but do they represent the general views from the group from which they speak. 

I Travel around Guyana quite often and have been privileged to be part of conversations about this topic and the roles or people in this process. So, please do not think that it not happening. Maybe, the problem is that it is not happening at the level that is newsworthy at this time.

I do not think that posters here are representative of the group for which they claim to speak, but that is just my opinion. 

However, I worry about what is being said by groups and the fact that regardless if we say that they are wrong, that there is considerable traction of these views in Guyana. Until we recognize that these views exist out there are in the minds of a considerable amount of people, and we address all groups as equals in a national group and personal project, nothing will change.

I despair because I do not think that there is a national will for it to happen. The elites will always mouth the words to retain support or gain an audience or to continue in their own self-interest, but will not move concretely to try to get a forging of a national concensus and will to make fundamental changes in how we do things or view others. 

caribny posted:

seignet posted:

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And Granger has that responsibility, it is a new era.

 

And when he tried to do so Indians don't respond?   The entire campaign "Love & Unity" was about an attempt to move Guyana beyond the racism of its past.

What ever you might say that is negative about Granger, not acknowledging the need to reach out to Indians isn't one. The man even went to campaign in RH!

There is effort and then there is concerted effort. 

Granger just made a half ass effort. He thinks the AFC is going to do it and bring home the Indoes. 

Nah going to happen dat way. Granger would generate credibility among Indoes more than Nagamoottoo and Ramjattan. All the ramble rousers of Indo ancestry with the APNU+AFC have no traction among Indians. It is a all new game now. Granger has the ball-that assumption is called political perceptions.

Zed posted:

 

I do not think that posters here are representative of the group for which they claim to speak, but that is just my opinion. 

 

I happen to think that the posters here are a microcosm of the Indian perspective.  What we do not know are the allocation of Indian opinion between the various groups.

We have a racist group (the brown bai KKK), nursing hurts from the 70s, or maybe even the 60s.  So they demean themselves by engaging in naked bigotry.

We have a very small group consisting of Django, Gilbakka, TK, and a few others, who speak out openly about racism from BOTH sides.  They get lambasted by the loud bigots, but they persevere.  In fact the brown bai KKK hate them even more than they hate blacks.

And then we have the majority like you, Kari, VishMahabir, and others. You don't mean to be racists, and you sincerely wish that racism would end, as it creates negative energy, best used to solve real problems. But you see the tremendous abuse that the few bold Indians endure, and so shy away from any discussion of Indian racism.  

Stormborn, who is part Indian, attempted to begin this discussion last year.  The brown bai KKK engaged in their usual racist screams of piwari, etc., and howled that Stormborn relishes the sight of Indian blood.  Even the moderates attempted to shut the discussion down, as they try to sideline any analysis which suggests that Indians might also bear some blame, as they accuse the PNC (and by implication Africans) have of having.

This group demands that Africans should be proactive (such as the demand that Granger should be proactive, while I don't recall any such demands being made of Ramotar, or Jagdeo).  There is an open, or implied notion that if Africans must be proactive, and Indians can be passive, then clearly Africans are to blame and must engage in acts of contrition.

You all also have no understanding of the Afro Guyanese range of perspectives, maybe because you aren't exposed to it.  Guyanese don't speak out honestly about racism, and so maybe you all under estimate the degree to which the past 23 years has shaped how Africans think.

So we got remarks like Kari who said that the PNC must "apologize to Indians".  He says that because he is very exposed to how Indians think.  He obviously doesn't know how Africans think, because his black friends say nice things in front of his face.  So he really didn't understand that a PNC apology, not accompanied by a PPP apology, would have been badly received.

So here we are.  Are the majority of Africans honest about the role that blacks have played in creating the racial distrust? Maybe, or maybe not, but the fact remains that loud African voices have deplored this since the Rodney era, and also during the post election violence of 1999 and 2001, and again during the Buxton unrest.  These voices were NOT shouted down as being those of Uncle Toms, and those who made those claims remain highly regarded among blacks.

Afro Guyanese now want to hear voices from Indians, who are respected by other Indians.  Up to now we do hear Indians, but these people then become exiles, and hold no sway among Indians.  Indeed Freddie K, and Roopnarine, and Chris Ram are more highly regarded among blacks.

I would love to hear a man like Ramkarran, or Odeen Ishmael discuss this issue.  Not in terms of an Indian apology towards Africans. But in terms of continuing the discussion that was started by vocal Africans almost 40 years ago.

The notion that Indians can be passive, while Africans should be proactive, is a nonstarter.   And Nagamootoo and Ramjattan cannot do this, because they are seen by most Indians just as most Africans view Sam Hinds and Roger Luncheon.

seignet posted:

 

There is effort and then there is concerted effort. 

Granger just made a half ass effort. He thinks the AFC is going to do it and bring home the Indoes. 

Nah going to happen dat way. Granger would generate credibility among Indoes more than Nagamoottoo and Ramjattan. All the ramble rousers of Indo ancestry with the APNU+AFC have no traction among Indians. It is a all new game now. Granger has the ball-that assumption is called political perceptions.

Granger's effort might have been half hearted, but at least he did so.  The election wasn't about African pain at the hands of Indians, as that wouldn't have been a winning strategy.  It was about national unity.

And face it.  More Indians are in meaningful positions than were blacks under the PPP.  The Indians selected aren't PNC stooges.

Jagdeo waged an ethnic political campaign, with a focus on mobilizing the Indian vote.  Fearing that Indians saw the PPP as corrupt, they fell on racial panic, screaming about Moses "saying he isn't Indian".  What they didn't say was that Moses said that when he was a major PPP leader, and the PPP had nothing to say. 

At that time the PPP was still fooling itself that it had multiracial support, so I bet that Moses was peddling the PPP party line, when he said that.

There will be no resolution if you think that there will be contrition for Wismar, without equal contrition for the Sun Chapman. 

Zed and seignet understand something.  The Indian population is now equivalent in size to the African/mixed.  So Indians no longer have the clout of being the majority group. 

While people who self identify as mixed, don't necessarily identify with blacks, they tend to be part black, and blacks have usually been more accepting of their mixed ancestry than have non blacks.  This is why they revile the PPP almost to the degree that Africans do.

So unless both groups sit down, and stop expecting apologies for past hurts, nothing will get done.  Until Guyanese admit their own roles, and stop removing themselves from responsibility by blaming the politicians, nothing will get done.  The politicians respond to what the people want to consume, and if Guyanese convey a need to be protected, based on fear of the other major ethnic group, then this is what will be sold to them.

My thinking is more like A CLEAN SLATE. Granger can start from scratch again in this new 50 years. But the fella seems to lack the energy. 

Typical of all the Presidents, the lack of initiatives. He is cool in his cushy job.

Why cannot we start fron here and now? Yes, it is difficult to forget the past, but we need to move forward. We should not be like those little kids who say "you first" when the time comes to start.

Let us figure out a process that is inclusive, respective of all groups, allow for meaningful participation, inclusiveness, authentic voice, that puts people dreams and desires first before sterile ideology and chauvinism, where  we are able to harness the wisdom, abilities and capacities of communities to achieve a better life for all Guyanese. We need to develop trust and respect.We need to start and figure out how we move on. Shouting every day about what the British, or Burnham, or Jagan or Jagdeo or Granger has done solves nothing  convinces no one  and dries us deeper into the abyss. 

The System we currently have is an imposed one. It needs to be radically changed because it limits the possibilities for real change. Political independence is great, but what is even greater is the economic and social well-being of all citizens. There should be no reason why this nation cannot be a better place for all who live here, a developed nation.

seignet posted:

My thinking is more like A CLEAN SLATE. Granger can start from scratch again in this new 50 years. But the fella seems to lack the energy. 

Typical of all the Presidents, the lack of initiatives. He is cool in his cushy job.

Guyanese inherited ethnic insecurity from the colonial era.  The virtually white Portuguese were put just below the whites, with Chinese and coloreds being slightly less privileged.

The Indians and the Africans were both at the bottom with the former confined to agriculture, and micro enterprises (the larger business were Portuguese owned) with the latter being the tradesmen, and the civil servants and social/defense sector workers.

Amerindians were considered savages, and so not even worthy of consideration.

Set up for conflict right there.

The politicians saw this and took advantage of this, and yet you expect them to solve the problem.

The PPP will scream "black man a kill ahbe" stupidly thinking that the Indo vote is enough.

APNU AFC can wail "love and unity" and then claim that all who fault them are racists.  Opposite tactic, with similar effect.

Why will either want to serious deal with the problem?

Zed posted:

The System we currently have is an imposed one. It needs to be radically changed because it limits the possibilities for real change. Political independence is great, but what is even greater is the economic and social well-being of all citizens. There should be no reason why this nation cannot be a better place for all who live here, a developed nation.

The current fundamental system is enshrined in the Constitution which created by Forbes Burnham; when he "miraculously earned about 80-percent of the votes"; a result still rejected by the international experts and communities.

As a result, Burnham had more than two-thirds of the MPs hence he construed the current Constitution.

It requires; as a minimum; two-thirds of the current MPs to approve the needed changes of the Constitution.

Currently, there are 32 and 33 MPs for the PPP/C and PNC/AFC.

Zed posted:

Why cannot we start fron here and now?

Because humans don't behave like this. 

If you go to a doctor, and he sees a problem but doesn't ask for your medical history, his diagnosis can kill you.

So developing a solution, when you don't even agree on what the problem is leads to similar impact.

Yes we can hug each other and scream "Kumbaya" (the brown bai KKK using that as a racial epithet against blacks and those that they see as self hating Indos).  But that doesn't solve the problem.

So why do Guyanese distrust people of different races, this being especially acute between the 2 largest?

Why do Guyanese feel that they cannot expect fair treatment, and think that they will get "fear treatment" instead, so then reflexively support people they know to be incompetent. 

Neither the PNC nor the PPP enjoys a good reputation with their core base, even though they both receive 90-95% of the votes from these groups.

The months before the election Indians from, top down, branded the PPP as corrupt, and incompetent, and swore that they didn't benefit from them.

On May 11, 2015, 95% of them outside of G/T went to vote for them, though I think that the PPP did far worse among Indians in G/T.

Watch and see that the same black vendors who cuss out Granger now, will flock to him because "dem frikken dem coolie, because you know dem coolie racial, and dem don' like black people".

So unless you get to the bottom of this, you waste your time.

What is needed is open debate, not accusatory in nature, but in a deep desire to understand.  And we ought to listen. 

Because an Indian doesn't think that the PPP was anti black, he shouldn't assume that the blacks who think that they are have that view because they hate Indians.  

And I focus on Indians,  because when some Africans said that the Burnham dictatorship was oppressive to Indians, those same Africans weren't branded as Uncle Toms.  Walter Rodney was well regarded as a hero.  Eusi, David Hinds, and Andaiye enjoy some measure of respect from their fellow blacks.

Indians do not like a conversation on Indian racism, but until they have it, then blacks will not begin to trust them.  Because a big fear of blacks is "you know dem coolie clannish."

Demerara_Guy posted:

 

Currently, there are 32 and 33 MPs for the PPP/C and PNC/AFC.

Well APNU AFC claimed that revising the constitution was very important.  They have done some work, though we don't know whether it is cosmetic, or transformative.

The PPP, in the opposition, should also not favor the constitution, given the outsized powers given to the executive arm of the government.

So the 2/3 limitation shouldn't be an excuse.

Social cohesion cannot and will not happen until the PNC talk seriously to the PPP.

KishanB posted:

Social cohesion cannot and will not happen until the PNC talk seriously to the PPP.

The PPP will only talk to the coalition when the latter agrees to make Jagdeo president.

I say take the conversation to civic society.  If the PPP doesn't want to be involved, then its their choice.  But begging them only encourages the PPP to misbehave.  Look at poor Obama and the GOP, as an example.

Look, Caribny,  we have to move forward. Yes, we need to recognize that racism manifests itself in so many aspects of Guyana. To keep saying that the PPP did this or the pnc did this or the purtugese did this keeps us where we now are. All groups have stereotypes of other groups, both major groups have history to justify their position and the stereotypes they hold. I do not think that anyone who lives here do not know what the problem is. The solution is the problematic area. We need the political will to move forward instead of the constant flow of they did this or that group did that. 

I think that the contrived activities we have seen so far will not move us forward. 

caribny posted:

KishanB posted:

Social cohesion cannot and will not happen until the PNC talk seriously to the PPP.

The PPP will only talk to the coalition when the latter agrees to make Jagdeo president.

I say take the conversation to civic society.  If the PPP doesn't want to be involved, then its their choice.  But begging them only encourages the PPP to misbehave.  Look at poor Obama and the GOP, as an example.

I am not so certain that any programme that is aimed at bringing cohesiveness in Guyana can be successful if you do not actively engage the PPP. Remember that you keep saying that it is a "c----- people party" and that they got nearly half of the votes in the last elections. Merely inviting does not meet my criteria for actively engaging.

KishanB posted:

Social cohesion cannot and will not happen until the PNC talk seriously to the PPP.

Correct.

Why social cohesion day did not represented by Indians from the AFC, except for Ramjattan, Nagamotoo and his wife?  Why is the coalition is called an inclusive party? Fact: Indians made up the largest percentage than all other groups of people combined in Guyana. What are we missing here?

Zed posted:

Look, Caribny,  

So tell me, having suffered under an Indian regime for 23 years, why will blacks suddenly forget?

Have Indians forgotten Burnham?  NO.  Even those who were born AFTER he died still view the PNC in terms of how they see that man.

We just had two back to back elections where 95% of the votes were based on racial fear!   100% correlation of race, and where the various parties won.

Demerara_Guy posted:

KishanB posted:

Social cohesion cannot and will not happen until the PNC talk seriously to the PPP.

Correct.

Can you tell us why in 23 years the PPP didn't speak to the PNC?  Or is that blacks don't matter, so only involvement of the PPP is important.

Cobra posted:

Why social cohesion day did not represented by Indians from the AFC, except for Ramjattan, Nagamotoo and his wife?  Why is the coalition is called an inclusive party? Fact: Indians made up the largest percentage than all other groups of people combined in Guyana. What are we missing here?

You wanted Indians to boycott, and obviously they did.  Be happy with yourself, and quit whining that Indians weren't there!

Zed posted:

 Remember that you keep saying that it is a "c----- people party"

Quit being a jackass. You just rambled about how we must forget about the past and then you illustrate where 95% of blacks, and 80% of mixed people hate the PPP, and consider it racist.

The PPP BLATANTLY campaigned as an ethnic party.  It had a whole host of surrogates who wailed that Indians should vote, based on race, and nothing else.

Its main plank was to terrify Indians about the violent blackman. They went into the interior and told Amerindians, that if the PPP doesn't win, straight haired people will be killed.

Rohee agreed with Jagdeo that the PPP is a "coolie people party" because most of its votes came from Indians, and that most of its leadership was Indian.

The PPP then consolidated this by screaming that the LGE allowed them to consolidated the East Indian support base.  They then whined that they didn't bother to campaign in the urban areas, where most of the voters aren't Indian.

Given this, why should African and mixed people trust the PPP, or those who support them?

If you want dialogue ANSWER THAT!

caribny posted:

Zed posted:

Look, Caribny,  

So tell me, having suffered under an Indian regime for 23 years, why will blacks suddenly forget?

Have Indians forgotten Burnham?  NO.  Even those who were born AFTER he died still view the PNC in terms of how they see that man.

We just had two back to back elections where 95% of the votes were based on racial fear!   100% correlation of race, and where the various parties won.

Demerara_Guy posted:

KishanB posted:

Social cohesion cannot and will not happen until the PNC talk seriously to the PPP.

Correct.

Can you tell us why in 23 years the PPP didn't speak to the PNC?  Or is that blacks don't matter, so only involvement of the PPP is important.

Cobra posted:

Why social cohesion day did not represented by Indians from the AFC, except for Ramjattan, Nagamotoo and his wife?  Why is the coalition is called an inclusive party? Fact: Indians made up the largest percentage than all other groups of people combined in Guyana. What are we missing here?

You wanted Indians to boycott, and obviously they did.  Be happy with yourself, and quit whining that Indians weren't there!

You answering my question partially. What happen to the 11% Indians the AFC were supposed to bring in for APNU? Why the AFC failed so terrible in these public events to exhibit Indians among blacks? It's wrong to consider the coalition a multiracial party.

Cobra posted:

 whining that Indians weren't there!

You answering my question partially. What happen to the 11% Indians the AFC were supposed to bring in for APNU?

They are terrified that brown bai KKK like you will call them niggindians, and Congo Lovers, so they stay home.

caribny posted:

Cobra posted:

It seems like Indians are scarce in pictures of social cohesion in keeping up with the coalition one year anniversary. We witness the same on Republic day 2016, and the same is expected on May 26, 2016. Congratulation to the PNC/AFC for their continued failures.

So we can conclude that Indians don't want Social Cohesion.

You know one can dislike a gov't and still participate in an event which Guyana badly needs.

Cohesion?  Is what alyuh really want and expect?  The first thing this PNC admin did was to embark of a campaign of national ethnic cleansing ridding Indian faces from all key positions.  Alyuh PNC prapa funny rass.  Back in the 60/70's Burnham said One People, One Nation, One Destiny yet he practiced Apartheid on a daily basis!  You people think Indians will fall for your headlines of emptiness?  You practice what you want to become, dont just give lip support!

caribny posted:

Zed posted:

 Remember that you keep saying that it is a "c----- people party"

Quit being a jackass. You just rambled about how we must forget about the past and then you illustrate where 95% of blacks, and 80% of mixed people hate the PPP, and consider it racist.

The PPP BLATANTLY campaigned as an ethnic party.  It had a whole host of surrogates who wailed that Indians should vote, based on race, and nothing else.

Its main plank was to terrify Indians about the violent blackman. They went into the interior and told Amerindians, that if the PPP doesn't win, straight haired people will be killed.

Rohee agreed with Jagdeo that the PPP is a "coolie people party" because most of its votes came from Indians, and that most of its leadership was Indian.

The PPP then consolidated this by screaming that the LGE allowed them to consolidated the East Indian support base.  They then whined that they didn't bother to campaign in the urban areas, where most of the voters aren't Indian.

Given this, why should African and mixed people trust the PPP, or those who support them?

If you want dialogue ANSWER THAT!

 

READ MY POST! Problems comprehending? 

There we go again, exactly what I posted about not wanting to look forward. You get some weird pleasure in posting this stuff without really caring about what next. You live abroad and can easily pontificate, but we here innguyana need to live in what is here now. So , go on for the next 100 years about what the ppp said or did and your opposites will do the same about what the pnc has said and done.

Why can't we just accept that there will be no social cohesion and move right along. When PPP were in power and Indians ruled every crook and cranny of Guyana, these soup drinkers weren't lamenting the lack of social cohesion. In fact it was not even part of their vocabulary.

Let's face it ....fifty years ago there was none and fifty years on there is none. We've lived without it so stop complaining. This is exactly what black people said when the PPP were in power. Now with the coalition gov't the PPP is boycotting and ensuring that their supporters boycott events. Big deal!

We are a broken society, we work best in pieces .... let's keep it moving!

Jungle Girl posted:

Why can't we just accept that there will be no social cohesion and move right along. When PPP were in power and Indians ruled every crook and cranny of Guyana, these soup drinkers weren't lamenting the lack of social cohesion. In fact it was not even part of their vocabulary.

Let's face it ....fifty years ago there was none and fifty years on there is none. We've lived without it so stop complaining. This is exactly what black people said when the PPP were in power. Now with the coalition gov't the PPP is boycotting and ensuring that their supporters boycott events. Big deal!

We are a broken society, we work best in pieces .... let's keep it moving!

Thanks for your vote of confidence on the subject.

ba$eman posted:

  The first thing this PNC admin did was to embark of a campaign of national ethnic cleansing ridding Indian faces from all key positions.  !

The PPP did the same in 1992 to blacks, and continued to do so for the next 23 years.

The PPP screams that the coalition gov't has gone after PPP blacks, even more than they have PPP Indians.  The mere fact that only a few PPP blacks were removed is proof that few blacks were in leadership slots.

I asked you and the rest of your brown bai KKK about who the blacks in leadership positions were. Luncheon, Benn, and the head of the GDF.  They couldn't mention any others.

But fine, you don't want social cohesion.  No one is begging you.  Maybe those who don't want social cohesion need to return to India, then you will be rid of all of these blacks who you clearly despise.

Zed posted:

 

READ MY POST! Problems comprehending? 

There we go again, exactly what I posted about not wanting to look forward. You get some weird pleasure in posting this stuff without really caring about what next. You live abroad and can easily pontificate, but we here innguyana need to live in what is here now. So , go on for the next 100 years about what the ppp said or did and your opposites will do the same about what the pnc has said and done.

Yes I read it.  Now that you think that Indians no longer dominate the power structure, you want to wipe the slate clean.

This even as Indians are screaming "Indian Eradication", going on as if the PPP wasn't involved in an "African Eradication" program.

You cannot heal an illness unless you get to the root of what causes it.

And BTW the ethnic composition of the crowds showing up to national events IN GUYANA, just shows how "ready" Guyanese are for this healing. If I didn't know better I would think that I was in Jamaica.

When Indians show more willingness to participate I events which commemorate Guyana as a nation, regardless as to what they might think of the coalition gov't, then you can speak of wiping the slate clean.

What is evident is that demanding that Indians and Africans forget what life was like when the party that represented their ethnic group wasn't in power is naïve.

And Zed, look how baseman, cobra, and others ridicule the whole concept of social cohesion.

You say NOTHING to them, and direct all your comments to me.

I just peeped your card. It isn't that you want social cohesion. Its that you fear, that an out of power PPP will mean that domination of Guyana by Indians can no longer be assured.

So as usual you want no mention of what the PPP did to blacks, while many Indians are in full throated hysteria about what the coalition gov't is supposedly doing to them.

THIS is why there will be no cohesion, because to be honest, Guyanese don't want it.

Zed, I do believe you to be a fair individual, would you care to respond to what caribny said on the following reply to you? 

A:  " Yes I read it.  Now that you think that Indians no longer dominate the power structure, you want to wipe the slate clean."

B:  "This even as Indians are screaming "Indian Eradication", going on as if the PPP wasn't involved in an "African Eradication" program."

C:  "So as usual you want no mention of what the PPP did to blacks, while many Indians are in full throated hysteria about what the coalition gov't is supposedly doing to them. 

THIS is why there will be no cohesion, because to be honest, Guyanese don't want it."

caribny posted:

And Zed, look how baseman, cobra, and others ridicule the whole concept of social cohesion.

You say NOTHING to them, and direct all your comments to me.

I just peeped your card. It isn't that you want social cohesion. Its that you fear, that an out of power PPP will mean that domination of Guyana by Indians can no longer be assured.

So as usual you want no mention of what the PPP did to blacks, while many Indians are in full throated hysteria about what the coalition gov't is supposedly doing to them.

THIS is why there will be no cohesion, because to be honest, Guyanese don't want it.

Too many jumbies around-dead ones and live ones.

Benjamin Buttons,"Life is dictated by opportunities, missed ones as well."

YUh and yuh putagee sidekick should not been born in Guyana. Too much resentment stored up. Alyuh and likes holding back the country.