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State’s unreadiness to prosecute Bisram is ‘embarrassing’ – Minister Ramjattan


After fighting two long years to extradite murder accused ‘Marcus Bisram’ from the US to Guyana, Public Security Minister Khemraj Ramjattan sees it as ‘embarrassing’ that the state is not fully ready to prosecute him.

Murder Accused: Marcus Bisram

Minister Ramjattan made these comments on the sidelines of an event yesterday at the Guyana Police Force’s Police Training Centre.
While he was not made aware of the hiccups being met in the murder case after it was explained by reporters, Minister Ramjattan pointed out that ‘it is rather embarrassing if that is what the behaviour is.’
Marcus Bisram is being accused of ordering a hit on a Berbice carpenter, Faiyaz Narinedatt, a guest at a party, which he hosted back in late 2016. Narinedatt was alleged to have been beaten by several men at the behest of Bisram.
He was pushed into the trunk of a car, taken to the Berbice public road, dumped and run over to make it appear as if it were a hit-and-run.
The long-awaited court battle commenced on November 21 when Marcus Bisram finally appeared to answer to the indictable charge.
But since then, several bumps in the court have led many to believe that the state prosecution is dilly-dallying with the charges.

Public Security Minister Khemraj Ramjattan

The state’s request for the case to be handled by way of Preliminary Inquiry was denied by the presiding Magistrate Alex Moore. He ruled in favour of a paper committal.
Further, the request by the state to postpone the matter until January 7, 2020 was also denied.
When the matter was recalled on December 9 for the state to present a full disclosure of the evidence against Bisram, Magistrate Alex Moore reported sick.
However, the matter was called before Magistrate Peter Hugh at the New Amsterdam Magistrate’s Court. But the case was further delayed as state prosecutor Stacy Gooding was a no-show in court.
It was reported that attempts were made to contact Gooding who is based at the office of the Director of Public Prosecution in Georgetown. But this proved futile forcing the Magistrate to adjourn the matter until December 16.
Minister Ramjattan said, “I have been publicly requesting the work of the Magistrates and Prosecutors to be enhanced so that we can get convictions…what you are telling me there is rather disheartening.”
Further, the Public Security Minister relayed that he will talk with the Director of Public Prosecutions, the Chancellor and Chief Justice in relation to what is happening with the case.
He explained that there should be no issues with the case since the state had enough time to build a strong case against the accused.
“It would be terribly embarrassing, entirely embarrassing for the state to have demanded his coming over and now that he is extradited, these officers are not up to the task of ensuring that they get the documents they need.”

 

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kp posted:

State’s unreadiness to prosecute Bisram is ‘embarrassing’ – Minister Ramjattan

After fighting two long years to extradite murder accused ‘Marcus Bisram’ from the US to Guyana, Public Security Minister Khemraj Ramjattan sees it as ‘embarrassing’ that the state is not fully ready to prosecute him.

https://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/images/2019/12/Public-Security-Minister-Khemraj-Ramjattan.jpg

Public Security Minister Khemraj Ramjattan

Minister Ramjattan made these comments on the sidelines of an event yesterday at the Guyana Police Force’s Police Training Centre.
While he was not made aware of the hiccups being met in the murder case after it was explained by reporters, Minister Ramjattan pointed out that ‘it is rather embarrassing if that is what the behaviour is.

Not aware of issues.

Usual manner how PNCR/AFC conduct the affair/issues in Guyana.

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
kp posted:

State’s unreadiness to prosecute Bisram is ‘embarrassing’ – Minister Ramjattan

After fighting two long years to extradite murder accused ‘Marcus Bisram’ from the US to Guyana, Public Security Minister Khemraj Ramjattan sees it as ‘embarrassing’ that the state is not fully ready to prosecute him.

https://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/images/2019/12/Public-Security-Minister-Khemraj-Ramjattan.jpg

Public Security Minister Khemraj Ramjattan

Minister Ramjattan made these comments on the sidelines of an event yesterday at the Guyana Police Force’s Police Training Centre.
While he was not made aware of the hiccups being met in the murder case after it was explained by reporters, Minister Ramjattan pointed out that ‘it is rather embarrassing if that is what the behaviour is.

Not aware of issues.

Usual manner how PNCR/AFC conduct the affair/issues in Guyana.

Minister of Public Security not aware of a high profile murder case and its setbacks.

Is which rock dis banna deh under or is true dis man drunk all de time.

Sheik101

Hey hey hey...all de file dem missing. Regular day in abie Guyana. Dat na changin any time soon. Imagine wan business man who write de transcript foh we bai foh de famous Wess Coase skool pay wan bicycle man foh shoot de great Cheddi J niece...Maria. And de lady had to leff and goway...dat police force na changing foh de next 50 years...is hustler and pusher class corrupting dem...den PNC always gat dem mole inside spying. Hey hey hey...PPP need protection from he pusher and hustler class...so expect de same ole same ole...hey hey hey. 

FM
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Bisram probably is allowed conjugal visits by many star boys in de ****ry. 

kp posted:

State’s unreadiness to prosecute Bisram is ‘embarrassing’ – Minister Ramjattan

https://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/images/2019/12/Murder-Accused-Marcus-Bisram.jpgMurder Accused: Marcus Bisram

Probably -- he got a HUGE smile there.

FM
Baseman posted:

Bisram's ground game was on for a while!  His mother was caught, but they got smarter!  This case is headed for the rocks!

While he was fighting extradition, he had his foot soldiers in Guyana combing the forest.

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Sean posted:

Bai, dis banna na deh down here. He walking free. He also hired a top notch lawyer, he does win CCJ cases. 

He is also a financier of AFC.  Case closed.

Hey hey hey...dem bais mek de files disappear...hey hey hey.

FM

Don’t listen to every idle gossip!  I’ve been in the AFC and continue to have close contacts with certain persons!  Never heard of this person’s involvement in any way!!

FM
Labba posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Sean posted:

Bai, dis banna na deh down here. He walking free. He also hired a top notch lawyer, he does win CCJ cases. 

He is also a financier of AFC.  Case closed.

Hey hey hey...dem bais mek de files disappear...hey hey hey.

Money talks!  Even witnesses disappear, much less files!

FM
Baseman posted:

Don’t listen to every idle gossip!  I’ve been in the AFC and continue to have close contacts with certain persons!  Never heard of this person’s involvement in any way!!

I talk to my relatives in Guyana....  in person..,

Bibi Haniffa
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Baseman posted:

Don’t listen to every idle gossip!  I’ve been in the AFC and continue to have close contacts with certain persons!  Never heard of this person’s involvement in any way!!

I talk to my relatives in Guyana....  in person..,

The same relatives who told you our Lusignan learning center, a US 501c which was commissioner by the US ambassador at that time, is a front for drugs?

The same relatives who told you my relatives in Guyana, many long time professionals and business people, whom you met in Florida, and whom BJ visits, are into illicit business?

Those relatives?

FM
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Bibi Haniffa posted:
Baseman posted:

Don’t listen to every idle gossip!  I’ve been in the AFC and continue to have close contacts with certain persons!  Never heard of this person’s involvement in any way!!

I talk to my relatives in Guyana....  in person..,

This give meaning to pusser-pusser.  I nominated the entire gang of the year 2019. 

FM

Family of murdered carpenter voices support for prosecutor’s handling of Marcus Bisram PI

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December 13 2019

The family of murdered Corentyne carpenter Faiyaz Narinedatt has voiced its full support for the office of Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) and State Prosecutor Stacy Goodings in the handling of the preliminary inquiry (PI) into the charge against Marcus Bisram, who is accused of masterminding the murder.

In a statement released to the media today, the family said in light of the recent media coverage regarding the PI, it wanted it to be known that Prosecutor Goodings has been working “diligently” and has demonstrated professionalism in the courtroom “conducting herself with dignity, civility, courtesy and a sense of fair play to bring justice for Faiyaz and our family.”

The family’s statement has come in wake of suggestions in the media that the prosecution has been delaying and Public Security Minister Khemraj Ramjattan on Wednesday said it would be an “embarrassing” situation if the state was not prepared to prosecute Bisram, who was extradited from the United States.

“…It will be entirely embarrassing for the state to have demanded his coming over and now that he is extradited these officers are not up to the task of ensuring that they get the documents in time,” Ramjattan said.

Marcus Bisram being led to court last week
 

However, the family’s statement noted that it is important for members of the Ministry of Public Security to be knowledgeable about these types of court matters and to work closely with DPP before releasing “embarrassing statements” to the press. “This sends the wrong messages to families like ours and to the public implying that the Prosecutor Ms. Goodings and DPP are not doing their job. It is this type of distrustful behaviour that instills corruption in the judicial system that disallows families to receive justice when sitting in a courtroom knowing we cannot bring our Faiyaz back. We are confident that the office of DPP will show that justice can prevail in this matter and our Faiyaz’s case will not become another statistic of a judicial failure,” the family said, while also expressing its gratitude for those who have continuously supported and fought alongside it.

The start of the preliminary inquiry was deferred on Monday after Magistrate Alex Moore reported sick.

After the magistrate reported sick, the matter was called later at the New Amsterdam Magistrate’s Court, where Magistrate Peter Hugh adjourned the proceedings until next Monday. At the time, the state’s prosecutor, Goodings, was not present in court.

Bisram’s attorney, Sanjeev Datadin, who was present in court, then claimed that there seemed to be delaying tactics by the state as he questioned why the state prosecutor did not show up. However, a police prosecutor was there in her stead.

At Bisram’s first court appearance at the Whim Magistrate’s Court, Datadin had argued that the constitution stipulates a fair hearing within a reasonable time, while pointing out that Bisram is a guest of the state while incarcerated.

Bisram, who was not present in court yesterday, is now expected to return to the Springlands Magistrate Court on December 16th.

Faiyaz Narinedatt

Bisram was extradited to Guyana late last month and was remanded to prison after he was charged with procuring and commanding the murder of Faiyaz Narinedatt in 2016. The charge states that between October 31st, 2016 and November 1st, 2016, at Number 70 Village, Corentyne, he counselled, procured and commanded Harri Paul Parsram, Radesh Motie, Niran Yacoob, Diodath Datt and Orlando Dickie to murder Narinedatt.  

At Bisram’s second court appearance last week, Magistrate Moore, who was holding for presiding magistrate Renita Singh at the Whim Magistrate’s Court, since she is on leave, had insisted that the matter could be completed before the end of the year.

Magistrate Moore last week announced that the PI into charge would be conducted by way of paper committal proceedings, which he said could be completed before the end of the year.

The magistrate made the pronouncement after listening to representations from both the state prosecutor and Bisram’s attorney.

Magistrate Moore had also noted that since bail was out of his hands, he would ensure that the matter is dealt with expeditiously, as he pointed out that it seems to have become a norm for proceedings to be prolonged. During those proceedings Magistrate Moore, who insisted that the matter can be completed before the end of the year, also explained that he was not a “holding magistrate” who grants adjournments until the magistrate on leave returns. He said he actually attempts to get cases going so that the assigned magistrate can return to some progress.

After an exchange with Goodings, the magistrate alluded to the possibility that he would “happily discharge” the matter if it is being delayed.

Django

The family’s statement has come in wake of suggestions in the media that the prosecution has been delaying and Public Security Minister Khemraj Ramjattan on Wednesday said it would be an “embarrassing” situation if the state was not prepared to prosecute Bisram, who was extradited from the United States.

“…It will be entirely embarrassing for the state to have demanded his coming over and now that he is extradited these officers are not up to the task of ensuring that they get the documents in time,” Ramjattan said.

However, the family’s statement noted that it is important for members of the Ministry of Public Security to be knowledgeable about these types of court matters and to work closely with DPP before releasing “embarrassing statements” to the press.

 

In Guyana sometimes people just talk for talk sake. Do they know Khemraj Ramjattan was a Prosecutor in Guyana Courts.

Django

Petition filed for magistrate to be removed from hearing Marcus Bisram case

December 13 2019

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Magistrate Alex Moore

A petition was filed this morning requesting the intervention from Chancellor Justice Yonette Cummings-Edwards to remove Magistrate Alex Moore from presiding over the proceedings against Marcus Bisram, who is accused of masterminding the murder of a Corentyne carpenter Faiyaz Narinedatt.

While it was requested that the names of the persons who signed and submitted the petition to remain confidential, Stabroek News was told that the petitioners argued that Magistrate Moore’s demeanor at the Whim Magistrate’s Court “both in action and language, was openly prejudicial in favor of the defendant and the defendant’s attorney, Mr. Sanjeev Datadin”. “His conduct was clearly inimical to the justice sought by the aggrieved family of the murdered victim,” the petition adds.

In the argument on the petition, it was highlighted that during the court proceedings “the magistrate never allowed the prosecutor to present her case with coherence, clarity and logical sequence it stated, “He (Moore) and Mr. Datadin in obscenely loud voices, continuously interrupted the prosecutor in an effort to disorient her argument.

It was perceptibly evident that the magistrate demonstrated no interest in having the matter methodically presented by the prosecutor.

Falling into fits of unjustifiable rage, he often banged his fist on the table and became vociferously menacing towards the prosecutor. In monopolizing the court hearing, he overtly attempted to drive fear into her and silence into docile submission. The method he utilized was an obvious deviation from established and time honored practice in judicial considerations”.     

Furthermore, the petition said, “The bias and flagrant transgression of judiciary sanctity exhibited by Mr. Moore, and in which Mr. Datadin was egregiously complicit are manifestly conspicuous enough to leave one in doubt or to arouse suspicion whether the magistrate’s honor and integrity must not have compromised or influenced by lucrative factors which are incompatible with fairness and judicial probity”. 

The petition also stressed, that while the magistrate has a duty to execute responsibilities devolved upon his office, he must do so dispassionately and with complete fidelity to the highest standard of jurisprudence. “He must be neutral or appear to be neutral in carrying out the mandate of his status”.      

As a result, they request that the Chancellor have Magistrate Moore recuse himself in the best interest of the justice.

The family of Narinedatt earlier today also voiced its full support for the office of Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) and State Prosecutor Stacy Goodings in the handling of the case.

Bisram was extradited to Guyana late last month and was remanded to prison after he was charged with procuring and commanding the murder of Faiyaz Narinedatt in 2016. The charge states that between October 31st, 2016 and November 1st, 2016, at Number 70 Village, Corentyne, he counselled, procured and commanded Harri Paul Parsram, Radesh Motie, Niran Yacoob, Diodath Datt and Orlando Dickie to murder Narinedatt.

Django
Django posted:

Sanjeev Datadin , thinks he can subvert justice .

He has to do what is necessary to get his client off, or with minimum penalty!  That’s his job!

You are talking loosely just like the victim’s family!!

FM
Django posted:
Baseman posted:

This surprise me!  This case is getting stranger by the day!

That fella Datin , thinks he can bully his way to subvert justice , Magistrate Moore seems compromised.

He should go for a plea deal with a civil penalty!  Sounds like the victim’s family  gotten over!  Nothing that money cannot solve!

This is how I see it playing out!! 

FM

Bullshit!! Attorney Dattadin is doing his job. His client is paramount. This Family saying they  support the Prosecutor. I would have been mad as hell that they are incompetent and not ready to proceed.

Nehru
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Baseman posted:
Django posted:
Baseman posted:

This surprise me!  This case is getting stranger by the day!

That fella Datin , thinks he can bully his way to subvert justice , Magistrate Moore seems compromised.

He should go for a plea deal with a civil penalty!  Sounds like the victim’s family  gotten over!  Nothing that money cannot solve!

This is how I see it playing out!! 

I detest using money to buy one self out , when committing heinous crimes. Bisram should face the penalty for ordering the the death of Narinedat , if found guilty by the court. Let him face the jury.

Django
Nehru posted:

Bullshit!! Attorney Dattadin is doing his job. His client is paramount.

This Family saying they  support the Prosecutor. I would have been mad as hell that they are incompetent and not ready to proceed.

No one disputing the duty to his client. It looks like he is trying illegal methods to get his client off the hook. Doubt he will succeed with his ploys .

Django

Since when raising your voice is illegal. If the Bastard is guilty, he must go to jail but the Defense Attorney has an obligation to defend his client. The man is guyana's BEST Attorney. He lucky he did not get Basil as his attorney cause his neck would a BRUK already.

Nehru
Django posted:
Baseman posted:
Django posted:
Baseman posted:

This surprise me!  This case is getting stranger by the day!

That fella Datin , thinks he can bully his way to subvert justice , Magistrate Moore seems compromised.

He should go for a plea deal with a civil penalty!  Sounds like the victim’s family  gotten over!  Nothing that money cannot solve!

This is how I see it playing out!! 

I detest using money to buy one self out , when committing heinous crimes. Bisram should face the penalty for ordering the the death of Narinedat , if found guilty by the court. Let him face the jury.

Firstly, you are assuming guilt before the court is even called into session!

Everyone is presumed innocent until proven in a court of law!

We saw OJ and Zimmerman walked when joe public assumed guilt!

You don’t know what happened and who did what!  

The part that makes no sense, he’s a smart guy, why would he openly tell five guys to go kill someone!  

It sounds such rudimentary thinking!  But I don’t know, let the matter be properly adjudicated!

Money is settling a civil suit!

FM
Django posted:
Nehru posted:

Bullshit!! Attorney Dattadin is doing his job. His client is paramount.

This Family saying they  support the Prosecutor. I would have been mad as hell that they are incompetent and not ready to proceed.

No one disputing the duty to his client. It looks like he is trying illegal methods to get his client off the hook. Doubt he will succeed with his ploys .

What illegal methods you know he did!

FM
Django posted:
Nehru posted:

Bullshit!! Attorney Dattadin is doing his job. His client is paramount.

This Family saying they  support the Prosecutor. I would have been mad as hell that they are incompetent and not ready to proceed.

No one disputing the duty to his client. It looks like he is trying illegal methods to get his client off the hook. Doubt he will succeed with his ploys .

I knows Datadin to be a very professional lawyer. I don’t believe any lawyer will risk using illegal methods on such a high profile case. 

FM

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