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Sugar workers prepare for countrywide strike Sunday

GAWU President Komal Chand

GAWU President Komal Chand

Wage negotiations…

 

– GuySuCo given “unofficial” notice

 

BY KRISTEN MACKLINGAM

 

The Guyana Sugar Corporation (GuySuCo) has unofficially been notified there will most likely be another country-wide strike by sugar workers commencing Sunday.

It is expected that after the Guyana Agricultural Workers Union (GAWU) General Council meeting concludes today the decision would be made to have all workers unionized under GAWU to go on strike from tomorrow (Sunday).

Presently, thousands of workers across the sugar belt are awaiting official word from GAWU as to whether or not they should down tools once again and take strike action against the sugar corporation for failing to meet with the Union to discuss wage/salary pay hikes for this year.

GAWU’s President Komal Chand told Guyana Times on Friday evening that such a decision has not yet been made by his Union as its members will be meeting at the level of General Council today to discuss and deliberate on GuySuCo not commencing negotiations for wage/salary increases for 2015.

It is during this meeting the Union will make a decision as to its next course of action; whether or not a strike will take place, when it will begin and how long the strike action will last, if the Council agrees this course of action will be pursued.

As it relates to giving a 72-hour notice to GuySuCo, if the Union will have its workers strike again under the present conditions, Chand maintains that notifying the sugar corporation is not mandatory.

“We haven’t given notice because we argue that we don’t have to give notice… if you haven’t reached a disagreement of something, not reached a deadlock, therefore you don’t have to give notice. We are charging GuySuCo for not respecting the act, the law, the Trade Union Recognition Act, it is not that we have been engaging negotiations over pay increases and we broke down, which would have required us to go to conciliation and then if we broke down there, then we would have to give a notice of intent to strike,” he explained.

Meanwhile, President of Guyana Labour Union Carvil Duncan, told this newspaper on Friday that his Union has not yet made a conscious decision as it relates to strike action and that the reason for this is “simple”.

“Once GAWU and the National Association of Agricultural, Commercial and Industrial Employees (NAACIE) go on strike, there is nothing for my workers to do, because they are at Demerara Sugar Terminal (DST) dealing specifically with the shipment of sugar. So if there is no sugar, there is nothing to ship… GuySuCo would have to pay the workers at the DST for not doing anything,” Duncan stated.

He told Guyana Times the sugar Commission of Inquiry (CoI) that GuySuCo is claiming paves the way forward for the future of the sugar industry has nothing to do with labour relations.

According to the GLU President, the report looks at the entire sugar industry and its future and that regardless of what outcome the report may bring forward workers will still have to be employed.

“You can’t pay some persons, for example the public servants got a five per cent increase, you can’t say that there is nothing for the sugar workers because they are buying from the same shops, buying the same things, and going to the same market places. Therefore their buying power ought to be equal, an increase in salary is a necessity, and what GuySuCo needs to do other than filibustering, the Chairman should say to the Directors that they should propose to give GAWU and the sugar Unions a certain amount, that it would cost so much, and then ask the government if they could finance this proposal so that the industry can move on,” Duncan explained.

Guyana Times was further told GuySuCo should take the position this would be an investment in today for the future of the sugar industry for tomorrow and refrain from making idle threats about sugar workers having a “grim” Christmas this year.

“The workers would even grind on Good Friday, once they are rewarded, they will make the effort. So the grim Christmas threat is a foolish statement coming from the Chairman. He should try to resolve this thing, and not say this is a political strike and not an industrial one. It is an industrial strike because the workers have a genuine problem and if he is skilful enough he would meet with the three Unions at one time, commence negotiations and get from them what their bottom line is; how much they are looking for; what they are prepared to settle with,” he added.

In a recent statement from Office of the Prime Minister Moses Nagamootoo, the government is pleading with sugar workers to desist from taking any strike actions since this could cripple operations and close down the sugar industry.

However, the administration is maintaining its position that wage/salary dialogue cannot commence at this point since a 10-year road map is being devised for the flailing industry and that no more money is available from the State.

As such, the government is urging that all sugar workers and their unions assist in rescuing the industry, by remaining committed to their jobs, and with the upcoming holiday season, to earn as much as possible before the current crop culminates. (kristenm@guyanatimesgy.com)

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Originally Posted by Mitwah:

Sugar workers have to realize that half a loaf is better than  no loaf. This is not the time to strike.

Sugar workers must remember when Jagdeo & Ramotar tried to kill their Union GAWU...Who was there to defend them.

Light a candle for Guyana sugar workers –

Moses Nagamootoo lives

 

LIGHT A CANDLE FOR SUGAR WORKERS

Statement by Moses Nagamootoo

 

The threat by the state-owned Guyana Sugar Corporation (Guysuco) to de-recognise the Guyana Agricultural and General Workers’ Union (GAWU) is intemperate and reckless.

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The media report that Guysuco has notified GAWU that it is considering to end the 1976 Recognition and the Avoidance and Settlement of Disputes Agreement with the union, is an extreme provocation.

This year sugar workers were given not a cent either as wage increase or annual bonus as Guysuco did not achieve its set target. The workers were literally expected to “produce or perish”.

I am shocked that the Government could condone this attack on GAWU and the sugar workers; and that leaders of my party, the People’s Progressive Party (PPP), would expect to be in silent conspiracy with this outrage against the vanguard of the working class movement in Guyana.

I can no longer remain silent. This is a grave national matter, and one of conscience.

I dissociate myself from what seems to be a state-party alliance in sledge-hammering GAWU, judging from the leading role of Dr. N.K. Gopaul, Permanent Secretary in the Office of the President and former acting Head of the Presidential Secretariat, as Chairman of Guysuco,

and Mr. Donald Ramotar, General Secretary of the People’s Progressive Party (PPP), who is a prominent member of the Board.

The sugar workers have been the bedrock of the anti-colonial struggles for independence from Great Britain.

For 28 years (1948-1976) they fought for industrial democracy and won union recognition.

For 28 years (1964-1992) they were in the front trenches for restoration of democratic rule in Guyana.

Their struggles gave birth to the PPP, and were exemplified in the commitment of Cheddi Jagan, the sacrifices of the Enmore Martyrs, Kowsilia, and many others.

No one denies that the sugar industry is in crisis due to a combination of exogenous and internal management factors. Low worker turn-out, work stoppages and inclement weather compounded the problem. But the sugar workers cannot be the only scapegoats for failure.

For many years, I have been associated with the cause of Guyana’s sugar workers and, invariably, marched under their banner in their epic fight for union recognition.

As a young teacher I founded a school to help mainly sugar workers’ children to get an education.

Later, as a journalist, I captured in many feature articles the consistent and unwavering struggles in the sugar belt.

And I can attest that their union has never allowed itself to be intimidated or blackmailed in the past. I expect no more from GAWU which should, with dignity and responsibility, prosecute all reasonable options to end the stalemate in the industry. Strikes must be the last resort.

I also expect Guysuco to re-think its options, and to eschew its intention to de-recognise GAWU.

The de-recognition threat ought to be withdrawn immediately and unconditionally before irreparable damage is done. The Government would do well also to explore all possibilities to give the sugar workers even a nominal wage increase. Zero is an insult, not an option.

I’d like to borrow the poignant words of Ricky Singh, a former colleague of mine, when he wrote several years ago in another context, that we should, as we observe Christmas, “Light a Candle” for our sugar workers.

• When the last administration left office,

GuySuCo’s debt burden stood at $82 BILLION...

Jagdeo & Ramotar left the Sugar Workers

Bankrupt & Broke

FM
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Friday, November 6, 2015

Partnership needed to save sugar industry - Govt appeals to sugar workers

The Government of Guyana urges all sugar workers and their unions to help in rescuing the industry, which for the first time in years, has reached and surpassed weekly targets.

The Government encourages sugar workers to remain committed to their jobs and, with the holiday season approaching, to earn as much as they can before the current crop comes to an end.

The Government finds as most disturbing the agitation, mainly by GAWU, for workers to engage in strike action. Such action could cripple operations and close down the sugar industry. This is especially alarming and regrettable now that efforts are being made to breathe life into the industry.

Government has been looking at all options to revive the industry, which was placed in a state of bankruptcy and almost total ruin by the former government.

PERTINENT FACTS It is critical that sugar workers know the following pertinent facts:

• Production slumped from 327,000 metric tonnes in the 1960s to an average of below 250,000 tonnes between 2008 and 2014

• Under the former regime, the sugar industry never came close to realizing the promised 500,000 tonnes target

• Between 2009 and 2015 GuySuCo not only failed to make a profit but suffered estimated total losses of $67.8 BILLION

• When the last administration left office, GuySuCo’s debt burden stood at $82 BILLION

It is therefore irrefutable that under that administration, GuySuCo had lost its way.

It is for this reason that the Coalition Government supported a Commission of Inquiry into the sugar industry. The interim report has confirmed the poor and declining state of GuySuCo as a result of political interference, poor management and squandermania.

TEN YEAR ROAD MAP AND ACTION PLAN After a mere five months in office, the Coalition Government is seeking to put a Ten Year Road Map and Action Plan in place, aimed at returning the industry to viability. It would therefore be ill advised and indeed premature to commence wages talks before this plan is considered. Unions that seek to drag the sugar corporation to the table to do so are obviously pursuing a political agenda which unfortunately is not in the interest of sugar workers.

The Government has, for the first time, allowed management to run GuySuCo independently and to make into a top priority a lasting solution to secure employment and also to make the industry profitable.

$82 BILLION DEBT LOAD Due to its virtual insolvent status under the former regime, taxpayers were forced to dole out $28 BILLION in the last five years alone (2011 - 2015) to keep the sugar industry afloat. With its debt load of $82 BILLION and an expected $5 BILLION needed for capital investment together with anticipated further bailout in 2016, any strike action in the industry would bring sugar finally to its knees.Government appeals for the understanding and the full cooperation of all sugar workers at this time of great peril to ensure that production targets continue to be met.

BAILOUT FOR 2015 MAXED OUT The Coalition Government did not create the problems affecting the sugar industry. The blame ought to be placed elsewhere. It is government’s view that any industrial action at this time will place the industry into further jeopardy. Government is regrettably unable to increase the bailout package above the $12 BILLION for 2015 and strike action will not change this reality.

COI FINDINGS BEING ANALYSED In the meantime Government is analysing the interim findings and recommendations of the Commission of Inquiry. GAWU as an integral part of the COI ought to know that industrial agitation is not an option at this time. Government once again implores all sugar workers to steadfastly remain committed to the industry and to partner with management for its recovery.

FM

 

The cane workers have a right to strike and the PPP will encourage them to do so, for political brownie points.  

Jus like Rohee de goat leading the sheep.

 

BUT, who might lose more in the long run, if the industry shuts down, 10,000 sugar workers or the government ?   Win or lose, government ministers and workers will still receive their pay cheque and have a job. Does the PPP have any brains ? 

 

If the sugar industry is shut down, Jagdeo and the PPP should fund the cane workers re-training programs at UG, for office jobs at Freedom House.

 

What will Komal Chand and GAWU do, when unemployed sugar workers not paying union dues ?

Maybe fish fa Gilbakka.  

Sorry Gil. 

Tola
Last edited by Tola
Originally Posted by Tola:

 

The cane workers have a right to strike and the PPP will encourage them to do so, for political brownie points.  

Jus like Rohee de goat leading the sheep.

 

BUT, who might lose more in the long run, if the industry shuts down, 10,000 sugar workers or the government ?   Win or lose, government ministers and workers will still receive their pay cheque and have a job. Does the PPP have any brains ? 

 

If the sugar industry is shut down, Jagdeo and the PPP should fund the cane workers re-training programs at UG, for office jobs at Freedom House.

 

What will Komal Chand and GAWU do, when unemployed sugar workers not paying union dues ?

Maybe fish fa Gilbakka.  

Sorry Gil. 

No need to be sorry, my yarrow-catching friend. We're both fishing in the same muddy water that is this GNI pond.

Only last night, Suki tell me..... sorry, lemme rephrase ..... only last night, I said I was betting anyone that GAWU would contradict or ignore the OPM statement and call some strikes before the current crop ends. Me nah seh nutting wrang deh, banna. GAWU meeting today and the agenda is: To strike or not to strike?

Yuh see, budday, without the strike weapon GAWU is nothing. And for decades the PPP and GAWU have schooled sugar workers to use that weapon first and then talk after. In other words, strike to force talks. And I am saying bluntly here that GuySuCo and the government are foolishly ignoring that reality.

Also, we're seeing in practice the lashback that Cabinet salary increases was bound to cause. How can the government tell sugar workers there is no increase for them in 2015 when it awarded itself and its public servants increases in 2015? If APNU+AFC had set the example by waiting until next year for pay raise, it would have been in a strong moral position to persuade sugar workers to accept its reasoning.

FM

It's the strongest tool an organize union has, STRIKE. Presently the government is not giving an inch. Rice and sugar are the two major industries that brings in foreign currency to the country and the country needs them to succeed.GAWU was used by all political parties when in opposition to destabilize the ruling government, so this is nothing new,but why, so now because GAWU is know to represent mainly Indians.

K

The sugar industry is in trouble. It is irresponsible for GAWU to order a strike at this time for Recognition of all Sugar workers under GAWU's banner.

It is also more irresponsible for the PM to threaten the sugar workers that the end result of their strike will be the ultimate shut down and closer of the Sugar Industry.

R
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

The sugar industry is in trouble. It is irresponsible for GAWU to order a strike at this time for Recognition of all Sugar workers under GAWU's banner.

It is also more irresponsible for the PM to threaten the sugar workers that the end result of their strike will be the ultimate shut down and closer of the Sugar Industry.

Hold on until the government starts collecting royalty from ExxonMobil. GAWU will have to think twice before every strike.

FM
Originally Posted by kp:

It's the strongest tool an organize union has, STRIKE. Presently the government is not giving an inch. Rice and sugar are the two major industries that brings in foreign currency to the country and the country needs them to succeed.GAWU was used by all political parties when in opposition to destabilize the ruling government, so this is nothing new,but why, so now because GAWU is know to represent mainly Indians.

Suh to earn $US Guyana pumps money in Guysuco.

Django
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

The sugar industry is in trouble. It is irresponsible for GAWU to order a strike at this time for Recognition of all Sugar workers under GAWU's banner.

It is also more irresponsible for the PM to threaten the sugar workers that the end result of their strike will be the ultimate shut down and closer of the Sugar Industry.

Hold on until the government starts collecting royalty from ExxonMobil. GAWU will have to think twice before every strike.

Stop dreaming. We know that the Government will never get a penny.

R
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

The sugar industry is in trouble. It is irresponsible for GAWU to order a strike at this time for Recognition of all Sugar workers under GAWU's banner.

It is also more irresponsible for the PM to threaten the sugar workers that the end result of their strike will be the ultimate shut down and closer of the Sugar Industry.

Hold on until the government starts collecting royalty from ExxonMobil. GAWU will have to think twice before every strike.

Stop dreaming. We know that the Government will never get a penny.

Should the Govt throw money after the bankrupted Guysucko?

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

The sugar industry is in trouble. It is irresponsible for GAWU to order a strike at this time for Recognition of all Sugar workers under GAWU's banner.

It is also more irresponsible for the PM to threaten the sugar workers that the end result of their strike will be the ultimate shut down and closer of the Sugar Industry.

Hold on until the government starts collecting royalty from ExxonMobil. GAWU will have to think twice before every strike.

Stop dreaming. We know that the Government will never get a penny.

Wha stupidness you deh pun this marning  eh rama.

Django
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

The sugar industry is in trouble. It is irresponsible for GAWU to order a strike at this time for Recognition of all Sugar workers under GAWU's banner.

It is also more irresponsible for the PM to threaten the sugar workers that the end result of their strike will be the ultimate shut down and closer of the Sugar Industry.

Hold on until the government starts collecting royalty from ExxonMobil. GAWU will have to think twice before every strike.

Stop dreaming. We know that the Government will never get a penny.

Wha stupidness you deh pun this marning  eh rama.

Don't be harsh with Rama. He is one of my respectable friends here.

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

The sugar industry is in trouble. It is irresponsible for GAWU to order a strike at this time for Recognition of all Sugar workers under GAWU's banner.

It is also more irresponsible for the PM to threaten the sugar workers that the end result of their strike will be the ultimate shut down and closer of the Sugar Industry.

Hold on until the government starts collecting royalty from ExxonMobil. GAWU will have to think twice before every strike.

Stop dreaming. We know that the Government will never get a penny.

Wha stupidness you deh pun this marning  eh rama.

Don't be harsh with Rama. He is one of my respectable friends here.

Rama is an aright banna i cool with him.

Django
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

The sugar industry is in trouble. It is irresponsible for GAWU to order a strike at this time for Recognition of all Sugar workers under GAWU's banner.

It is also more irresponsible for the PM to threaten the sugar workers that the end result of their strike will be the ultimate shut down and closer of the Sugar Industry.

Hold on until the government starts collecting royalty from ExxonMobil. GAWU will have to think twice before every strike.

So your government is waiting for oil revenue for exploration started under the PPP watch? You guys are shameless as now you take credit for initiatives that the PPP started. Look how now you hold on to the Marriott and the Providence stadium. Under the PPP they were both described as white elephants.   There is no economic plan by this bunch of incompetent lot now in office. They are making it up as they go along. 

FM
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

The sugar industry is in trouble. It is irresponsible for GAWU to order a strike at this time for Recognition of all Sugar workers under GAWU's banner.

It is also more irresponsible for the PM to threaten the sugar workers that the end result of their strike will be the ultimate shut down and closer of the Sugar Industry.

Hold on until the government starts collecting royalty from ExxonMobil. GAWU will have to think twice before every strike.

Stop dreaming. We know that the Government will never get a penny.

Wha stupidness you deh pun this marning  eh rama.

Don't be harsh with Rama. He is one of my respectable friends here.

Rama is an aright banna i cool with him.

Uncle Rama is lamenting that rum price might jump up. He is an avid supporter of the sugar industry, you know.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by kp:

It's the strongest tool an organize union has, STRIKE. Presently the government is not giving an inch. Rice and sugar are the two major industries that brings in foreign currency to the country and the country needs them to succeed.GAWU was used by all political parties when in opposition to destabilize the ruling government, so this is nothing new,but why, so now because GAWU is know to represent mainly Indians.

Suh to earn $US Guyana pumps money in Guysuco.

When the Private sector cannot create job, then it's the government responsibility to save jobs. In Guyana sugar has been around as long as prostitution ,it is now broken but can be fixed. If you shut-down sugar, think of the thousands unemployed, unhappy Guyanese. Then the Crime rate will sky rocketed , suicide up and then total collapse in the economy. How long can you blame the PPP, six months, one year or forever???

K
Originally Posted by kp:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by kp:

It's the strongest tool an organize union has, STRIKE. Presently the government is not giving an inch. Rice and sugar are the two major industries that brings in foreign currency to the country and the country needs them to succeed.GAWU was used by all political parties when in opposition to destabilize the ruling government, so this is nothing new,but why, so now because GAWU is know to represent mainly Indians.

Suh to earn $US Guyana pumps money in Guysuco.

When the Private sector cannot create job, then it's the government responsibility to save jobs. In Guyana sugar has been around as long as prostitution ,it is now broken but can be fixed. If you shut-down sugar, think of the thousands unemployed, unhappy Guyanese. Then the Crime rate will sky rocketed , suicide up and then total collapse in the economy. How long can you blame the PPP, six months, one year or forever???

kp.. the govt have a ten year plan let see how that will roll out.

Django
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

The sugar industry is in trouble. It is irresponsible for GAWU to order a strike at this time for Recognition of all Sugar workers under GAWU's banner.

It is also more irresponsible for the PM to threaten the sugar workers that the end result of their strike will be the ultimate shut down and closer of the Sugar Industry.

Hold on until the government starts collecting royalty from ExxonMobil. GAWU will have to think twice before every strike.

Stop dreaming. We know that the Government will never get a penny.

Should the Govt throw money after the bankrupted Guysucko?

Name me a promising industry in Guyana at this moment. Oil royalty is a decade away, by then there will be a change in Government.Governments are there ,not to create, but to save jobs, bail outs, restructure, diversify and to further invest.

K
Originally Posted by kp:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by kp:

It's the strongest tool an organize union has, STRIKE. Presently the government is not giving an inch. Rice and sugar are the two major industries that brings in foreign currency to the country and the country needs them to succeed.GAWU was used by all political parties when in opposition to destabilize the ruling government, so this is nothing new,but why, so now because GAWU is know to represent mainly Indians.

Suh to earn $US Guyana pumps money in Guysuco.

When the Private sector cannot create job, then it's the government responsibility to save jobs. In Guyana sugar has been around as long as prostitution ,it is now broken but can be fixed. If you shut-down sugar, think of the thousands unemployed, unhappy Guyanese. Then the Crime rate will sky rocketed , suicide up and then total collapse in the economy. How long can you blame the PPP, six months, one year or forever???

It's GAWU, the PPP union that wants to close down the industry by calling a strike. Was it not the PPP who trained them how to set cats on fire and loose them in cane fields to spread fire?

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by kp:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by kp:

It's the strongest tool an organize union has, STRIKE. Presently the government is not giving an inch. Rice and sugar are the two major industries that brings in foreign currency to the country and the country needs them to succeed.GAWU was used by all political parties when in opposition to destabilize the ruling government, so this is nothing new,but why, so now because GAWU is know to represent mainly Indians.

Suh to earn $US Guyana pumps money in Guysuco.

When the Private sector cannot create job, then it's the government responsibility to save jobs. In Guyana sugar has been around as long as prostitution ,it is now broken but can be fixed. If you shut-down sugar, think of the thousands unemployed, unhappy Guyanese. Then the Crime rate will sky rocketed , suicide up and then total collapse in the economy. How long can you blame the PPP, six months, one year or forever???

kp.. the govt have a ten year plan let see how that will roll out.

Stricture the Government, smarter the population, the people want action, YESTERDAY.

K
Originally Posted by kp:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by kp:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by kp:

It's the strongest tool an organize union has, STRIKE. Presently the government is not giving an inch. Rice and sugar are the two major industries that brings in foreign currency to the country and the country needs them to succeed.GAWU was used by all political parties when in opposition to destabilize the ruling government, so this is nothing new,but why, so now because GAWU is know to represent mainly Indians.

Suh to earn $US Guyana pumps money in Guysuco.

When the Private sector cannot create job, then it's the government responsibility to save jobs. In Guyana sugar has been around as long as prostitution ,it is now broken but can be fixed. If you shut-down sugar, think of the thousands unemployed, unhappy Guyanese. Then the Crime rate will sky rocketed , suicide up and then total collapse in the economy. How long can you blame the PPP, six months, one year or forever???

kp.. the govt have a ten year plan let see how that will roll out.

Stricture the Government, smarter the population, the people want action, YESTERDAY.

Guysuco should look in to modern methods of cane planting

and harvesting.

Django
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by kp:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by kp:

It's the strongest tool an organize union has, STRIKE. Presently the government is not giving an inch. Rice and sugar are the two major industries that brings in foreign currency to the country and the country needs them to succeed.GAWU was used by all political parties when in opposition to destabilize the ruling government, so this is nothing new,but why, so now because GAWU is know to represent mainly Indians.

Suh to earn $US Guyana pumps money in Guysuco.

When the Private sector cannot create job, then it's the government responsibility to save jobs. In Guyana sugar has been around as long as prostitution ,it is now broken but can be fixed. If you shut-down sugar, think of the thousands unemployed, unhappy Guyanese. Then the Crime rate will sky rocketed , suicide up and then total collapse in the economy. How long can you blame the PPP, six months, one year or forever???

It's GAWU, the PPP union that wants to close down the industry by calling a strike. Was it not the PPP who trained them how to set cats on fire and loose them in cane fields to spread fire?

Did PNC strike before they took 50% RAISE, No ,they just put their hands in the Cookie Jar and take as much as they want. Imagine ,in a failing economy, they are taking 50%, what will happen in a robust economy????500%%%.STRIKE is a legal tool for all unions, that's nothing new when PNC use that tool.Most of you GNI's pretend to know SUGAR, I know sugar ,I worked in Sugar, sugar worker are hard workers, unlike government employees, all lazy bastards, I know too, I worked there!!!

K
Originally Posted by kp:

Did PNC strike before they took 50% RAISE, No ,they just put their hands in the Cookie Jar and take as much as they want. Imagine ,in a failing economy, they are taking 50%, what will happen in a robust economy????500%%%.STRIKE is a legal tool for all unions, that's nothing new when PNC use that tool.Most of you GNI's pretend to know SUGAR, I know sugar ,I worked in Sugar, sugar worker are hard workers, unlike government employees, all lazy bastards, I know too, I worked there!!!

The PNC didn't take a 50% raise. The salaries earned by the new administration is up to 50% higher compared to the previous administration. The PNC was not in government so they could not have received a raise.

Mr.T
Originally Posted by kp:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by kp:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by kp:

It's the strongest tool an organize union has, STRIKE. Presently the government is not giving an inch. Rice and sugar are the two major industries that brings in foreign currency to the country and the country needs them to succeed.GAWU was used by all political parties when in opposition to destabilize the ruling government, so this is nothing new,but why, so now because GAWU is know to represent mainly Indians.

Suh to earn $US Guyana pumps money in Guysuco.

When the Private sector cannot create job, then it's the government responsibility to save jobs. In Guyana sugar has been around as long as prostitution ,it is now broken but can be fixed. If you shut-down sugar, think of the thousands unemployed, unhappy Guyanese. Then the Crime rate will sky rocketed , suicide up and then total collapse in the economy. How long can you blame the PPP, six months, one year or forever???

It's GAWU, the PPP union that wants to close down the industry by calling a strike. Was it not the PPP who trained them how to set cats on fire and loose them in cane fields to spread fire?

Did PNC strike before they took 50% RAISE, No ,they just put their hands in the Cookie Jar and take as much as they want. Imagine ,in a failing economy, they are taking 50%, what will happen in a robust economy????500%%%.STRIKE is a legal tool for all unions, that's nothing new when PNC use that tool.Most of you GNI's pretend to know SUGAR, I know sugar ,I worked in Sugar, sugar worker are hard workers, unlike government employees, all lazy bastards, I know too, I worked there!!!

Ow bhaiya kp i had a four year stint in the sugar industry

starting from the manure gang moving up to separate the

juice from the soil,quit at age 22 after GAWU union guys

backed away from a position offered to me.I was educated

don't want to be a teacher  or work for govt,i like to be my

own boss enjoying it on to today.

 

 

Django
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by kp:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by kp:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by kp:

It's the strongest tool an organize union has, STRIKE. Presently the government is not giving an inch. Rice and sugar are the two major industries that brings in foreign currency to the country and the country needs them to succeed.GAWU was used by all political parties when in opposition to destabilize the ruling government, so this is nothing new,but why, so now because GAWU is know to represent mainly Indians.

Suh to earn $US Guyana pumps money in Guysuco.

When the Private sector cannot create job, then it's the government responsibility to save jobs. In Guyana sugar has been around as long as prostitution ,it is now broken but can be fixed. If you shut-down sugar, think of the thousands unemployed, unhappy Guyanese. Then the Crime rate will sky rocketed , suicide up and then total collapse in the economy. How long can you blame the PPP, six months, one year or forever???

kp.. the govt have a ten year plan let see how that will roll out.

Stricture the Government, smarter the population, the people want action, YESTERDAY.

Guysuco should look in to modern methods of cane planting

and harvesting.

This is something I don't understand about Guyana. They sell their raw products to be processed overseas, where Guyanese jobs are lost.  

There is a sugar process plant at Enmore, how effective is it ?

 

Bigger yet, they allow the Chinese to harvest the forest and send it overseas  for processing, when processing plants in Guyana could create hundreds of jobs.

Decades ago, BC lumber  was returning to BC from Japan, as processed wood. We bought shelves of BC wood, made in Japan.

Now most processing is done in BC, where it creates jobs.

 

Don't the Chinese company  have a responsibility to build a processing plant in Guyana, that was an agreement years ago, why give them another two years to do so ?

In two years they can ship billions in hard wood overseas.       

Tola
Originally Posted by Tola:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by kp:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by kp:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by kp:

It's the strongest tool an organize union has, STRIKE. Presently the government is not giving an inch. Rice and sugar are the two major industries that brings in foreign currency to the country and the country needs them to succeed.GAWU was used by all political parties when in opposition to destabilize the ruling government, so this is nothing new,but why, so now because GAWU is know to represent mainly Indians.

Suh to earn $US Guyana pumps money in Guysuco.

When the Private sector cannot create job, then it's the government responsibility to save jobs. In Guyana sugar has been around as long as prostitution ,it is now broken but can be fixed. If you shut-down sugar, think of the thousands unemployed, unhappy Guyanese. Then the Crime rate will sky rocketed , suicide up and then total collapse in the economy. How long can you blame the PPP, six months, one year or forever???

kp.. the govt have a ten year plan let see how that will roll out.

Stricture the Government, smarter the population, the people want action, YESTERDAY.

Guysuco should look in to modern methods of cane planting

and harvesting.

This is something I don't understand about Guyana. They sell their raw products to be processed overseas, where Guyanese jobs are lost.  

There is a sugar process plant at Enmore, how effective is it ?

 

Bigger yet, they allow the Chinese to harvest the forest and send it overseas  for processing, when processing plants in Guyana could create hundreds of jobs.

Decades ago, BC lumber  was returning to BC from Japan, as processed wood. We bought shelves of BC wood, made in Japan.

Now most processing is done in BC, where it creates jobs.

 

Don't the Chinese company  have a responsibility to build a processing plant in Guyana, that was an agreement years ago, why give them another two years to do so ?

In two years they can ship billions in hard wood overseas.       

Politicians are less expensive to acquire and maintain than processing plants.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Tola:
 

This is something I don't understand about Guyana. They sell their raw products to be processed overseas, where Guyanese jobs are lost.  

There is a sugar process plant at Enmore, how effective is it ?

 

Bigger yet, they allow the Chinese to harvest the forest and send it overseas  for processing, when processing plants in Guyana could create hundreds of jobs.

Decades ago, BC lumber  was returning to BC from Japan, as processed wood. We bought shelves of BC wood, made in Japan.

Now most processing is done in BC, where it creates jobs.

 

Don't the Chinese company  have a responsibility to build a processing plant in Guyana, that was an agreement years ago, why give them another two years to do so ?

In two years they can ship billions in hard wood overseas.       

 

Tola you seem to be an intelligent person unlike the bajan singing jerk. The issue is that Guyana does not currently have the capability to produce raw sugar competitively with the rest of the world where modern techniques and equipment and economies of scale enable other sugar producing nations to produce the product at a much lower cost. Adding value to the product via packaging and so forth to compensate for inefficient production will not be the solution. You are merely kicking the can down the road. 

FM

The people of Guyana should make this government unmanageable just as they did to the PPP during the two riots. Let the sugar workers strike nationwide, and the rice farmers should ceased growing another crop of rice. Show this incompetent government who got more balls.

FM
Originally Posted by Red Wine:

I would also urged Indians to stop growing baigan and show the Afros who get more seed than baigan.  

That's easy for you to say since you don't live in Guyana.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Red Wine:

Matters not where I live. I was NOT living in Guyana when the PNC/AFC was burning down the frigging country to make the government unmanageable. I guess you live in Guyana.

Basant Bhai, teck it easy. Pressure does meck pipe burst.  

Mitwah
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

The sugar industry is in trouble. It is irresponsible for GAWU to order a strike at this time for Recognition of all Sugar workers under GAWU's banner.

It is also more irresponsible for the PM to threaten the sugar workers that the end result of their strike will be the ultimate shut down and closer of the Sugar Industry.

Hold on until the government starts collecting royalty from ExxonMobil. GAWU will have to think twice before every strike.

So your government is waiting for oil revenue for exploration started under the PPP watch? You guys are shameless as now you take credit for initiatives that the PPP started. Look how now you hold on to the Marriott and the Providence stadium. Under the PPP they were both described as white elephants.  

BG_S, there is nothing new under the sun. When the PPP won the 1992 election President Jagan continued implementing the main features of Desmond Hoyte's Economic Recovery Programme [ERP].

For most of his political life, Cheddi Jagan advocated "nationalization of the commanding heights of the economy." He supported Burnham's nationalization of bauxite and sugar companies and banks and even called on Burnham to nationalize the foreign insurance companies too. When Dr Jagan got into government, however, he retained the Privatization Unit which Hoyte had formed to sell off state corporations and agencies.

When the PPP was in the opposition, Dr Jagan used to condemn the PNC regime for accepting "IMF diktat." However, after 1992 the PPP government itself accepted IMF terms.

The PPP regime also retained the Social Impact Amelioration Programme [SIMAP] which Hoyte had set up and which was funded from the sales of wheat flour that the US was giving Guyana free under its PL480 Program.

The PPP government got the most royalty from Omai Gold Mines which started operating under an agreement with Hoyte and Greenidge.

Both Presidents Cheddi and Janet Jagan governments collected their portions of dividends from GT&T which Hoyte had sold to foreigners while keeping 20% shareholding.

I can give more examples showing how President Jagan's government carried on and benefited from Hoyte's PNC regime's policies. No one said Jagan and the PPP were shameless. Politics is politics. It is unrealistic to expect the APNU+AFC government to start from scratch with its own policies and programmes, to reinvent the wheel. Present governments build on the foundations of past governments. So it goes.

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

The workers deserve 50% increases just like the ministers. 

These people work for Guysuco, which doesn't even have money to meet existing payroll.

 

Yes the workers might get their pay increase.  FEWER of them that is as Guysuco cuts workers to ensure that they can support their payroll costs.

 

These are NOT the worst paid people in Guyana, and GAWU rantings about the incomes shows that they make DOUBLE what civil servants make.

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

The sugar industry is in trouble. It is irresponsible for GAWU to order a strike at this time for Recognition of all Sugar workers under GAWU's banner.

It is also more irresponsible for the PM to threaten the sugar workers that the end result of their strike will be the ultimate shut down and closer of the Sugar Industry.

Hold on until the government starts collecting royalty from ExxonMobil. GAWU will have to think twice before every strike.

Understand this. Exxon isn't mining for a thing until prices increase, so we have no idea when these royalties will flow in.  With gold in decline govt revenues will also drop, as will their ability to continue to bail out Guysuco.

 

The PPP set the precedent by selling Guymine, when they claimed that their losses were unsustainable. If GAWU doesn't see a similar fate for Guysuco, let them continue to burden the taxpayers of Guyana.

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
The issue is that Guyana does not currently have the capability to produce raw sugar competitively with the rest of the world . 

And yet you demand that they became even more uncompetitive by increasing wages, when GAWU will also continue to resist the use of labor saving technologies.

FM

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