Civic brought no votes to the PPP.

Indeed its uncanny.  An Indian president and a token negro as PM.  Now we will see an African president, and an Indian PM.  The AFC needs to prove that Nagamootoo will not be like Sam Hinds.

The ultimate irony is that my 2015 Corentyne family (PPP voters) believe that Roopnarine has real influence in APNU and they believe Granger consults with him on all matters. They believed this to be the case. And they don't personally know either men.

Now comes alone APNU new coolie Nagamootoo.

Yes.  Now the PPP will win 51% of the seats and will gloat over that.

Its now a straight PPP vs. PNC battle with the PPP having an ethnic numeric base advantage, and the incumbency to buy additional votes.  This who resent both the PPP and the PNC stay home.

If you thought seriously about it, you too would be upset.

PS: don't fool yourself that Nagamootoo has power.  You will note that the president has the final say in most matters, and you know which party ensured that they retained control over that position.

I suggest to you that APNU has nothing to lose. Once ethnic paranoia exists they will always be the largest opposition party, waiting for the day when the mixed and African vote significantly outnumbers the Indian vote.

Its the AFC which might sink into oblivion, just as the UF did.  They became part of the PPP. Where are they today?

Indian = 38-40%. African + Mixed = 46%. How is that a numeric advantage?

I guarantee you we Indians are still an absolute majority on the electoral rolls.

look, you admit that your Corentyne family are not Granger voters . . . so what's the point of all this mental masturbation?

  What you forgot is that in 1991 mixed was 12%.  Most of these mixed people are too young to vote, as they were born AFTER 1996.  In addition young people are less likely to vote.  In addition not all mixed people will vote alongside blacks. 

Then add Amerindians who will vote for the highest bidder.

So its 32+12=44% and then subtract the segment of these voters which the PPP can buy off.  Many urban Africans don't vote and will never vote because they see no benefit from voting.

So the Indian voting base remains above its representation in the total population, probably around 45%.

The PPP still starts with an advantage over the PNC, and reducing this to a two party competition advantages the PPP.  However the PNC keeps its core 40% base.

Do you have some publications or surveys showing that?

Does the fact that the PPP still trounces the PNC, even last time, in its worst performance, not suggest this, even if we cannot prove it.

Voter turn out in urban Guyana was always lower than in rural coastal Guyana, except maybe in 2011. 

So when we combine the higher traditional rural coastal turn out, the fact that the mixed population is under represented in the voting pool, due to its youth, and also that the mixed bloc is diverse, I don't see how one can argue that the PPP doesn't start off with an advantage in a straight PPP vs. PNC fight.  And this is without the power of incumbency which allows it to buy off votes, or voter ID cards.

So what makes you believe the PPP will get all 38-40% Indian votes?

he has none . . . but this is how the PPP prepares the ground for (just enough) rigging

Your racist tendencies will always get the better of you and prevent you from seeing properly.

Moses and the AFC will bring votes to the AFC, Naith Ram and the rice farmers of Region 2 are not voting PPP this time around papi and your racist fart about indians voting for PPP is pure hogwash...........

There is truth in this, however Roopnarine ironically brings more black votes as his campaigning is much more charismatic than the bland Granger.

The close ties that he enjoys with Afro Guyanese has made him a traitor to the vast majority of Indians.

Roopnarine also proves the lie that an Indian cannot speak in front of an African grass roots crowd, something that Nagamootoo will now learn to do. He can no longer shy away from this as he did when he was screaming that he wanted no part of the PNC.

BTW where are redux and Mr T who defended Nagamootoo not speaking at that APNU protest because it would have tied him too closely to APNU, this jeopardizing his ability to get Indian votes?

OK so let them host huge meetings in the PPP belt and prove this.  Why the reluctance and only keeping to bottom house meetings with a few score voters.

If one has power one not only must claim to have it but to SHOW that they have it.

Please note that Kari is a fervent Nagamootoo supporter, but that doesn't blind him to the ethnic political realities of Guyana.

I also see that you are calling Kari a racist (against Indians) because he is of the belief that this move guarantees a PPP victory and returning to majority gov't status.

Moses and the AFC PNC will NOT bring votes to the AFC PNC. AFC was cremated today. RIP AFC.

Why yuh na goh drink yuh piss rum da side. 

No they are voting for the same Granger who you used to scream was a terrorist.

I suggest you read that agreement and you will note that APNU retains full power, and merely outsources some work to the AFC.  The PPP will ensure that the rice farmers know this.

Now run off and convince Kari that he is wrong when he thinks that this is an error bound to benefit the PPP.  He loves Nagamootoo even more than you do.

u may have wanted me to say that . . . go check the record and come again

and u may need to explain how what i actually said then is relevant to the events of today, since i haven't a bloody clue

keep reaching

Actually, the PNC and AFC had coalesced all along in the last Parliament, the actions today have only formalized what they have been doing.They had been the majority, only that they did not have the Executive Power because of constitutional arrangements.

Truth be told, they gave no rest to the PPP Jagdeoite who had been stealing as if there is no tomorrow. APNU said it will support AFC's no confidence motion and that's why PPP Jagdeoite turned rogues.

Even if this is an unholy alliance, it's the road we must take to throw the rascals out of power.

The Alliance should now go to the churches and civil society and get their support for this multi-racial initiative.  They should ask Granger to use good strategy and apologize for the PNCs past.

Granger will not apologize as he fully well knows that Burnham is a "God" in many parts of his support base, who have felt ethnically excluded and need a black hero. And even those who don't think that he is will not see why Indians shouldn't also apologize.

Just be glad that they have accepted Nagamootoo getting some day to day power in excess of what Sam Hinds, has, even if this is subject to Granger's right to veto.

The AFC cannot rest on its supposed 7 seats.  They have to assume that they start from ZERO and win every one back, plus the additional 5 which APNU promised them.

If there is an unlikely event and masses of Indians stay home, and Africans show up in large numbers, and APNU wins on the own, the AFC will have no respect in the APNU/AFC coalition gov't.

So stop putting the onus on APNU and rest it with Nagamootoo.  It is HIS ambition which created both the MONC and now this coalition, when it isn't obvious that the AFC was ready to contest.

You're wording the question wrongly, my friend.

The question should be: how many ex-PPP supporters plan to vote for the national unity coalition?

Answer: Many.

This is not about Granger and/or Nagamootoo only. This is bigger than both individuals. This is about saying a big NO to five more years of corrupt PPP excesses.

Carib, I said corruption would be battled, not end.

dude, the stuff that comes out of your mouth sometimes . . . smh

someone must have hurt u really bad in a previous life

Stop being cynical, Carib. Give the Cummingsburg Accord a chance.

For me, it's a good agreement, a solid base to build a national unity movement.

AFC will justify the Accord to all its supporters, not only Corentyne folks.

Not much disagreement with you here. The racial PPP bottom house appeal will have fewer takers than bygone years.

I'm optimistic that civil society, the churches and the local business community will view the Cummingsburg Accord favourably. 

I am still waiting for you to explain then why Nagamootoo refused to speak in front of a majority black audience which was protesting against parliament being prorogued.

If Guyanese are really as you claim that they are then we can seriously question Nagamootoo's attitudes to Afro Guyanese voters.

Sorry but you cannot have it both ways.

And any reading of this agreements shows that APNU has the upper hand.  You must think highly of Granger, however the confusion between him and Solomon/Kissoon, should give you pause.

"Let us see the AFC sell this to the folks in the Corentyne who still have Cheddi's photograph NAILED into the wall."

The job of the AFC would be to help PPP supporters understand there were 3 PPPs: 1. Nationalist with Burnham and Jagan, 2. PPP Jaganite, and 3. PPP Jagdeoite.

Help them to understand the PPP Jagdeoite is not a party of Jagan anymore. The current PPP Jagdeoite does not have the support of the Jagan's children or the Deputy PPP Leader's child, Ralph Ram Karran.

Help them understand the current version of the PPP is an aberration of the Jagans, that the PPP now is a big shot party of the new bourgeoisie.That will be the job of the AFC.

Why did so many of these same groups allow themselves be bought out by Jagdeo, or silenced in fear.

Sorry I remain a skeptic until the AFC goes it out proves that it has the ability to bring in 15% of the votes, and the ability to withstand the race card paranoia that the PPP will now drop on them.

In that case, I'll wait patiently until May 13-14 and then get back to you.

You don't seem to understand that all of the PPPs are an anathema to the majority of the black voters post 1957.  So to bring up this PPP civil war will ensure that they become confused about what Granger did.

Mention Jagan and many blacks hear DEVIL!

It is not only the Indian vote which must be attended to, but also the African vote. 

The only way this works is if both parties hit the ground IMMEDIATELY and signal what this means. Guyanese have only known political dominance by ethnic elites for the past 60 years and so to naively think that they will move beyond the paranoias that this has created in a few months is truly naïve.

I see no evidence that either APNU or the AFC are truly energetic campaigners, so pardon my skepticism.

Yes I agree.  While the PPP paints the Nigamootoo image the AFC can remain patient. In 2011 they remained patient and ended up with a scant 10%.  In 2015 we will see what patience brings.

The AFc needs to stop thinking that they are entitled to anything and go out and prove that they have support. Indeed its their very inability to do so which has rendered them as junior partners, akin to the UF and Burnham in the 60s.

HM_R, gimme one of these labels nuh.

BTW, welcome back to the battlefield.

A fiery fight is imminent.

Funny not that long ago you were screaming about how evil APNU is, and now you have joined an APNU government.

I must says hats off to APNU for devising an agreement where they maintain full control, and give AFC some day to day tasks to keep them busy. Ain't nothing going to happen in that gov't unless Granger approves of it.

Just understand that fact.

like i said . . . u are experiencing some weird kind of vicarious thrill in 'power' that doesn't even exist (and you don't even believe will exist), wielded by a party (APNU) u supposedly don't even support

sorta pathetic . . . strange, really strange

  Why don't you point out to me what remedies does the AFC have to resist Granger when he starts treating them as he treated Solomon and Vanessa Kissoon?  If he treated people WITHIN the PNC that way, imagine what he will do to a weak party.

The APNU set a trap which Nagamootoo grabbed, so hats off to them in their brilliance.  They struck a deal which allows them to retain full power, while pretending to be so magnanimous.  I never thought that APNU was intelligent enough to do this.

If the AFC was so desperate what can I say.  Walking away from the deal mightn't have been the worst thing, and in fact might have strengthened their position with respect to this Indian vote that they so clearly cherish.

non sequitur . . . get some help dude

OK if the APNU/AFC do win and Granger starts treating Nagamootoo like he treated Solomon we will talk then.  He retains full ability to do so, unless there is something that is DOCUMENTED that says otherwise.

we have nothing to talk about (see previous)

this red herring discussion u started in your own head has nothing to do with me