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FM
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THE LIES OF NORWAY IS BEING SLOWLY DISCOVERED

Guyana is poor, the country needs jobs, foreign exchange and tax revenues. And there are plenty of takers for the natural resources that await plunder in delivering these benefits.

Since years ago, Norway has promised, but has failed to deliver, and now it seems that they are playing games with the Government of Guyana, it is time that the Guayana Government sees this for what it is, and call the bluff of the Norwegians. They have failed to honor their contract making them a not trustworthy partner in believing that Funds will be delivered to Guyana to ensure development continues.

The pressures of preserving the forest is now becoming irrestable......as many countries needs our lumber, and also many citizens of Guyana needs the arable land to embark on Cattle and other Ranches, so the Government needs to take note of this as the lies of Norway is slowly being discovered.

Since Brazil has cracked down on deforestation, the loggers, ranchers and soya farmers there have been looking for other places to expand their industries. Guyana is next door, connected by a new road and a prime target, but fortunately so far there has so far been no major incursion. Part of the reason is because Guyana's President Bharat Jagdeo has been able to hold the line politically, with the intention that Norway will stop lying and deliver on their promises. Since the Norwegians Promises are not forthcoming, we need to tell them point blank to go screw themselves.

Guyana has been doing its part to restrain the plunder of the Rain Forest, but there is so much one can ask Guyana to do, whilst funds are needed for development.

There are plans for a new hydropower dam that will flood 45 square kilometres of forest. It will lead to the loss of 0.05% of the country's forest and is by any standard a major project. There has also been forest loss to gold mining. In the last year forest clearance has nearly tripled, mainly because of an expansion of this industry, from about 40 square kilometres to about 110. It is important, however, to put this change into the context of a tiny original deforestation rate – at six hundredths of 1% per annum, Guyana's present rate of forest loss is about 95% below the global average. With forest nearly the size of England and Scotland combined, the total loss from the dam and mining will lead to the equivalent of 10% of Norfolk being deforested. And the very fact that we know this is a major step forward. Both the low deforestation rate and the rapid rate of change were revealed by satellite monitoring funded from the first tranche of Norwegian money claimed to have been paid since last year and unto now Guyana has not received a red cent.

So I think that if it is our own interest to chop the forest, export the timbers, clear the land for arable farming then it is time that the Guyana Government reconsider their deals with the Norweigans, as Guyana cannot live on promises and then more promises.

Guyana has sent a signal – and it is being heard. One consequence is seen in the fact that land-hungry natural resource companies looking for space in which to expand agriculture and logging are heading toward neighbouring Surinam. That country has no such deal with Norway, or anyone else for that matter, and unfortunately business as usual prevails there.

IT IS TIME THAT THE PPP/C GIVES NORWAY A TIMELINE TO DELIVER ON THEIR PROMISES OR JUST FORGET ABOUT SAVING GUYANA RAINFORESTS:

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yOU SO DAMN dunce SOMETIMES i RATHER LISTEN TO A gOAT.
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Originally posted by Rahmah bin Jabr:
This issue reminds me of the village beggar who would beg for alms in a most endearing manner but who would also be quick to curse and insult if turned down.

Economic development under the PPP Administration is a disaster. Not one new industry incubated in 19 years.

Put X next to the cup. Abe coolie pan tap.
Nehru
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Originally posted by Nehru:
yOU SO DAMN dunce SOMETIMES i RATHER LISTEN TO A gOAT.
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Originally posted by Rahmah bin Jabr:
This issue reminds me of the village beggar who would beg for alms in a most endearing manner but who would also be quick to curse and insult if turned down.

Economic development under the PPP Administration is a disaster. Not one new industry incubated in 19 years.

Put X next to the cup. Abe coolie pan tap.


Then make an appointment to listen to Rohee.
FM
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Originally posted by Rahmah bin Jabr:
This issue reminds me of the village beggar who would beg for alms in a most endearing manner but who would also be quick to curse and insult if turned down.
It doesn't remind me of anything remotely like that.

Most agencies who approach 3rd World countries with some sort of "green" agenda are dishonest and have ulterior motives. Even if Norway had honored the deal they made, I would still be worried.
FM
Pavi...don't fret bhai...the small change from Norway will be released after the elections. The people already see how PPP is campaigning with tax payers monies. They don't what that to occur with their funds. Now tell us which imperialist refused to give Jagdeo US$580 mill per year for not cutting the trees.
T
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Originally posted by Henry:
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Originally posted by Rahmah bin Jabr:
This issue reminds me of the village beggar who would beg for alms in a most endearing manner but who would also be quick to curse and insult if turned down.
It doesn't remind me of anything remotely like that.

Most agencies who approach 3rd World countries with some sort of "green" agenda are dishonest and have ulterior motives . Even if Norway had honored the deal they made, I would still be worried.


Please elaborate by providing ONE specific example.

And how does this excuse the record of the PPP of failing to incubate ONE new industry after 19 years in office?
FM
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Originally posted by TK_REDUX:
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JABR: And how does this excuse the record of the PPP of failing to incubate ONE new industry after 19 years in office?


I need an answer to that question myself. I HAVE NOTED NOT A SINGLE LARGE SCALE INDUSTRY THE SIZE OF BANKS DIH OR DDL WAS CREATED IN 19 YEARS OF PPP RULE.


This is widely referred to in diplomatic circles as the "Jagdeo legacy", Jagdeo has made himself a laughing stock. He has no credibility.
FM
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Originally posted by Rahmah bin Jabr:
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Originally posted by Henry:
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Originally posted by Rahmah bin Jabr:
This issue reminds me of the village beggar who would beg for alms in a most endearing manner but who would also be quick to curse and insult if turned down.
It doesn't remind me of anything remotely like that.

Most agencies who approach 3rd World countries with some sort of "green" agenda are dishonest and have ulterior motives . Even if Norway had honored the deal they made, I would still be worried.


Please elaborate by providing ONE specific example.
Here is a link to a dossier on World Wildlife Fund exploitation of Africa.
FM
Henry,

As usual you are missing things like how you can't seem to solve the Crime problem...you only pampazetting here! Mr Ramotar was declared Presidential adviser a few days after he was made PPP candidate. He is flown all around the country on the peoples money. He is campaigning while doing God knows what as a political adviser to BJ. That is unfair! Furthermore, the PPP is in total and full control (as in the Burnham days) of Chronicle, NCN and the ONE radio station. ALL Guyanese pay taxes...but only PPP get to control. That is an abuse of the people tax funds and rights.
T
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Originally posted by cain:
Here we go again, what a bunch of cry babies.

Answer this question asj,
What difference does it make if they were to receive the funds now or early next year?


We are being told that there would have been US$30 Million for 2010 and US$40 Million by the first quarter for 2011 thereby making it a total of US$70 Milliion. Those funds were earmarked for identified projects in the climate change agreement with Norway, including financing equity in the Amaila Falls hydro-project, demarcation of Amerindian lands, solar panels for Amerindian villages and transforming the economies of those villages, among others. Had the Government gotten those funds, then allocation towards earmarked projects could have been finalised this year instead of next year.

Then again with the Norway iniative not to be trusted, who knows if Guyana will ever get those funds even early next year?

Your question, is like asking if you have money coming to you, would you prefer to have it now or later? methinks honestly your answer would be 'now'

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FM
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Originally posted by Mr.T:
Those Norwegians just had a massive terrorist incident. But what does Guyana care that Norway is in mourning? Nah, Guyana wants money that can be mismanaged before the next election.


Your assertion of 'mismanaged' has no relevance as to how the funds will be spent, your input are just speculations, without any bite. Come again!!! with something that we can discuss about.

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FM
THE LIES OF NORWAY IS BEING SLOWLY DISCOVERED

Funds to save rainforests pile up
July 19, 2011

Norway has committed billions in funding to help preserve the world’s rainforests but much of the money remains sitting in bank accounts, reports Oslo-based Development Today. Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg’s high-profile effort to reverse climate change through rainforest preservation seems to be facing lengthy delays.

The money has been forthcoming, but much of it hasn’t been earmarked for specific projects, revealed Development Today this week in a report (external link) quickly picked up by Norwegian media. The journal specializing in covering aid, business and environment issues reported that frustration was growing over the “slow disbursement” of Norway’s forest climate aid funds.

Transfers of money to the three countries chosen by Norway as having a priority for funding – Brazil, Indonesia and Guyana – reportedly have stagnated, with less than a tenth of the funds set aside actually paid out.

Stoltenberg and his left-center coalition government promised to allocate as much as NOK 3 billion a year to stop destruction of rainforests, which in turn would help reduce total greenhouse gas emissions in the world. Norway has often been accused of buying its way out of emission reduction commitments, although Stoltenberg claims the country will also cut emissions at home.

Now it appears its efforts to cut emissions abroad by saving rainforests from burning and logging are sluggish at best. The slow pace of disbursements to concrete projects is blamed on disagreement over which projects should be approved and now the approval process should be conducted. Development Today reported that process “risks losing momentum and political legitimacy.”

Yngve Kristiansen, deputy leader of the Rainforest Fund in Norway (Regnskogfondet), told newspaper Aftenposten that the lack of disbursements isn’t a result of a lack on will on the part of the Norwegian government but rather “the political situation” in the countries due to receive the money. “In Indonesia, the rain forests are like oil for Norway,” Kristiansen told Aftenposten. “And then you can understand that projects aren’t accomplished in a matter of days.”

Kristiansen claimed there would be more criticism if money was disbursed without Norway ensuring control over its use. He said the fund wanted “strong demands” for ensuring the money would be used wisely.

Hans Brattskar, who leads the government’s climate and rainforest project, also stressed it was important that funds not be disbursed before they’re sure the money will be put to good use in the recipient country. “We’d gladly see the process move more quickly, but it’s important it’s carried out in a proper way,” Brattskar told Aftenposten. The Braziian development bank BNDES Brasil, he said, was responsible for administering the funds.

“In Brazil they’ve accomplished a lot, reducing deforestation by 70 percent in the past five years,” he said. “When the Norwegian aid is paid out, it will be for things already done.”

Brazil has been promised at least NOK 6 billion (USD 1.09 billion) in funding through 2014 as has Indonesia, which has received NOK 185 million so far. Only NOK 18 million, however, has been used in Indonesia.

Guyana has been promised NOK 1.5 billion and reportedly received its first transfer of NOK 177 million last year.

Views and News from Norway/Nina Berglund

http://www.newsinenglish.no/20...rainforests-pile-up/

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FM
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Originally posted by Mr.T:
Those Norwegians just had a massive terrorist incident. But what does Guyana care that Norway is in mourning? Nah, Guyana wants money that can be mismanaged before the next election.


Should we assume that the Norwegians knew, some time ago, that they were going to be hit by a terrorist, and that is why they began violating the agreement? It was pre-emptive mourning?
FM
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Originally posted by Henry:
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Originally posted by Mr.T:
Those Norwegians just had a massive terrorist incident. But what does Guyana care that Norway is in mourning? Nah, Guyana wants money that can be mismanaged before the next election.


Should we assume that the Norwegians knew, some time ago, that they were going to be hit by a terrorist, and that is why they began violating the agreement? It was pre-emptive mourning?


The money has already been lodged with the World Bank. It is the Bank which is not releasing it as yet. Norway needs to ask the Bank why it is not doing so and provide that information to Guyana.
FM
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Originally posted by Daren David:
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Originally posted by Henry:
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Originally posted by Mr.T:
Those Norwegians just had a massive terrorist incident. But what does Guyana care that Norway is in mourning? Nah, Guyana wants money that can be mismanaged before the next election.


Should we assume that the Norwegians knew, some time ago, that they were going to be hit by a terrorist, and that is why they began violating the agreement? It was pre-emptive mourning?


The money has already been lodged with the World Bank. It is the Bank which is not releasing it as yet. Norway needs to ask the Bank why it is not doing so and provide that information to Guyana.
Guyana has to submit approved invoices for activities done according to a prearranged plan and not get the money as a grant so it can seep into the Pocket of PPPinc. It is not a give away to the PPP.
FM
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MARY: Is AFC responsible for Guyana not getting the money?


The AFC no doubt would have been consulted on what are their view of corruption in Guyana. The money will likely be released after the election. When it is released I will be the first to congratulate and mention that it was the effort of President Jagdeo that caused that to happen. Unfortunately, the track record of transparency under Jagdeo is very bad and as a result the World Bank wants to be absolutely certain the funds will be spent properly.
T
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Originally posted by asj:
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Originally posted by Mr.T:
Those Norwegians just had a massive terrorist incident. But what does Guyana care that Norway is in mourning? Nah, Guyana wants money that can be mismanaged before the next election.


Your assertion of 'mismanaged' has no relevance as to how the funds will be spent, your input are just speculations, without any bite. Come again!!! with something that we can discuss about.

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The PPP track record with foreign funds is not one to be proud of. Or are you suggesting that just this once the PPP won' be misappropriating the money?
Mr.T
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Mary: If AFC lose the election, will Guyana get the money?


I am sure any government will get the money. However, when the funds are released we can safely say it was the effort of B. Jagdeo that is realized. I do believe the Norway funds are not sufficient to finance structural production change, the necessary condition for development.
T

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