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Band on the run
September 30, 2011 | By KNews | Filed Under Features / Columnists, Freddie Kissoon

We may still have bad things to say about the PNC, that is, those who knew it when it ruled Guyana. But the story of the PNC should include some important changes. First, the PNC was positively transformed by Desmond Hoyte. Secondly, the PNC is not the same party that was in power from 1964 to 1992.
Many new faces came into the PNC after Burnham’s death and their impulses weakened the one-man culture that the PPP and PNC were born with. Young Turks inside the PNC after 1997 were brave enough to engage in internal leadership warfare. That has never happened in the PPP.
Most importantly, the PNC held primaries to determine the winner for its presidential slot for the 2011 elections. It was a phenomenally positive development. You can lay all kinds of charges against the smooth running of the process. You can cite a million imperfections.
What is undeniably good about the primaries is that the policy marked the beginning of democratic pathways. Personally speaking, I don’t think it went as elegantly as it should have, but I would be guilty of reprehensible immorality if I deny that this is a turning point in the PNC’s politics.
If the PPP had followed the PNC and gone in a similar direction, the resulting optimism would have created a new hope for Guyana. Sadly, the traditional, historic pessimism remains. The PPP reminded us of the old politics, old political cultures that have destroyed this nation.
A closed door cabal chose the PPP’s 2011 point man. It is my opinion that this will cost that party at the elections among young voters. Young people are impatient with backdoor politics. Can the PPP attempt changes like the PNC? It can happen. The PPP has to produce its Vincent Alexanders.
Some names in the PPP seem to be disenchanted not only with the present style of governance, but also with the direction in which the 2006 government has taken the PPP. Any analyst who is worth his/her salt cannot deny that the PPP today bears no resemblance to the dreams and plans of Cheddi Jagan.
This writer is no admirer of Dr. Jagan but the evidence is overwhelming that he was not infatuated with wealth and would not have allowed a prodigious gap between the wealthy strata and the working masses. Burnham and Jagan deeply cared for the labouring classes, and in this sense, were ferocious protectors of the country’s resources.
The names that have emerged revolve around Moses Nagamootoo, Ralph Ramkarran, Navin and Indra Chandrapal and Komal Chand. All five would neatly fall into the classification of Jaganite ideologues. To put it another way, they are practitioners of the Jagan style of nation-building.
Can these longstanding PPP leaders bring some semblance of modern democracy to the PPP? It doesn’t look so? They are eerily quiet. It seems that they have run away. But ironically, with their advancing age, they are the only ones with nothing to lose in challenging the destroyers of the Jaganite legacy – those that currently control and dominate the PPP.
Can they change the PPP? Do they want to do it? More importantly, are they in a position to do anything at all? The answer is no. They are outside of the war-room. All of these persons cannot stop the hegemonic and wealthy cabal that controls the PPP. They simply do not have the strategic placements inside the PPP to do so before the elections. If the PPP wins, there is no place for them (Nagamootoo is permanently out).
And if they are given parliamentary seats or governmental jobs, they will not be allowed a huge say in the PPP’s policy-making machine.
If the PPP loses the elections, as is the convention in politics elsewhere in the world, the beneficiaries disappear and the rebuilding process becomes inevitable. Here is where these names can democratize the PPP by taking it over after the autocrats leave. The trouble is even if they want to, will they have the psychological buoyancy to administer the PPP way into 2016 with no guarantee that the PPP will win in that year?
It would seem that among the identities listed above, some are inclined to fade away; others are prepared to be the subordinates of the new PPP Leviathans. The one personality that will not accept to retire is Nagamootoo. What will he do? Going back into the PPP for the election is not an option. It will make Nagamootoo the most discredited politician in the world.
The only choice for Nagamootoo is to find a political alternative to the PP. Time is running out.

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Originally posted by Sase Singh:
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Originally posted by Sase Singh:
Why don't we all leave Moses alone. When is rready he will be marching right into Change House in 139 Fourth St, Campbelville.

VOTE AFC


Why should the AFC take a political has been and left over? Even the old communist Bookman will have more value that Nagas.
D
Moses N. must be agonizing over whether there is more value to him remaining within the PPP in order to rebuild it after the defeat at the elections, or declaring that the preferred nationalist ideals are now better promised within the prospects of an AFC government.
FM
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Originally posted by Dharry:
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Originally posted by Sase Singh:
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Originally posted by Sase Singh:
Why don't we all leave Moses alone. When is rready he will be marching right into Change House in 139 Fourth St, Campbelville.

VOTE AFC


Why should the AFC take a political has been and left over? Even the old communist Bookman will have more value that Nagas.


The man is a Jagan stooge. They nipped him and took it away. Cannot believed this guy appeared to have leadership qualities-but was all a sham.

He is to be blamed for Janet and Jagdeo fiasco upon Guyana. Let him slip quietly into oblivion. He is hoping to be friends with Ramotar. Corruptible as well like his mentor.
S
You are not qualify to wipe Nagamootoo ass after he finish taking a SHIT!!!!
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Originally posted by seignet:
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Originally posted by Dharry:
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Originally posted by Sase Singh:
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Originally posted by Sase Singh:
Why don't we all leave Moses alone. When is rready he will be marching right into Change House in 139 Fourth St, Campbelville.

VOTE AFC


Why should the AFC take a political has been and left over? Even the old communist Bookman will have more value that Nagas.


The man is a Jagan stooge. They nipped him and took it away. Cannot believed this guy appeared to have leadership qualities-but was all a sham.

He is to be blamed for Janet and Jagdeo fiasco upon Guyana. Let him slip quietly into oblivion. He is hoping to be friends with Ramotar. Corruptible as well like his mentor.
Nehru
I know it gun go over your head. keep thinking you have the qualification to wipe ass.
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Originally posted by seignet:
Thank goodness u r qualified for that job. U rite, I am a bit illegent for taht sort of thing. Cing we r on the topic of shit, u so dumb, u cant take a lame duck to have a shit.
Nehru
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Originally posted by seignet:


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The man is a Jagan stooge. They nipped him and took it away. Cannot believed this guy appeared to have leadership qualities-but was all a sham.

He is to be blamed for Janet and Jagdeo fiasco upon Guyana. Let him slip quietly into oblivion. He is hoping to be friends with Ramotar. Corruptible as well like his mentor.


Well said!!
Chief
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Originally posted by jags:
Moses and the rest of these so called Jaganites simply do not have what it takes to be leaders they are good followers.


And given a chance by President Jagdeo or Candidate Ramoutar they will not hesitate to come and have some of the soup.
Chief
My hunch is Mr Nagamootoo and Mr Ramkarran will never have a chance again to have influence within the PPP.They are hoping against hope. The PPP will be converted to a Ramotar=Jagdeo fiefdom. The PPP is the mechanism through which Ramotar will reward his children and friends at the expense of many Guyanese. They do not seem to understand of Stalinist communists like Ramotar and Jagdeo operate.
T
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Originally posted by TK_REDUX:
My hunch is Mr Nagamootoo and Mr Ramkarran will never have a chance again to have influence within the PPP.They are hoping against hope. The PPP will be converted to a Ramotar=Jagdeo fiefdom. The PPP is the mechanism through which Ramotar will reward his children and friends at the expense of many Guyanese. They do not seem to understand of Stalinist communists like Ramotar and Jagdeo operate.


What is it that you do not understand?????

Nagammotoo and Ramkaran are cut from the same cloth as Donald Ramoutar!!! If not, why are they not joinng with other opposition forces? I will tell you why.
1. They are still loyal to the communist PPP.
2.tHEY STILL WANT TO BE PART AND PARCEL OF THE ppp
3. They do not have the Guyanese people interest in their heart just their own personal agenda.
Chief
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Originally posted by Chief:
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Originally posted by TK_REDUX:
My hunch is Mr Nagamootoo and Mr Ramkarran will never have a chance again to have influence within the PPP.They are hoping against hope. The PPP will be converted to a Ramotar=Jagdeo fiefdom. The PPP is the mechanism through which Ramotar will reward his children and friends at the expense of many Guyanese. They do not seem to understand of Stalinist communists like Ramotar and Jagdeo operate.


What is it that you do not understand?????

Nagammotoo and Ramkaran are cut from the same cloth as Donald Ramoutar!!! If not, why are they not joinng with other opposition forces? I will tell you why.
1. They are still loyal to the communist PPP.
2.tHEY STILL WANT TO BE PART AND PARCEL OF THE ppp
3. They do not have the Guyanese people interest in their heart just their own personal agenda.


Ok boss...point taken. flag
T
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Originally posted by Chief:
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Originally posted by TK_REDUX:
My hunch is Mr Nagamootoo and Mr Ramkarran will never have a chance again to have influence within the PPP.They are hoping against hope. The PPP will be converted to a Ramotar=Jagdeo fiefdom. The PPP is the mechanism through which Ramotar will reward his children and friends at the expense of many Guyanese. They do not seem to understand of Stalinist communists like Ramotar and Jagdeo operate.


What is it that you do not understand?????

Nagammotoo and Ramkaran are cut from the same cloth as Donald Ramoutar!!! If not, why are they not joinng with other opposition forces? I will tell you why.
1. They are still loyal to the communist PPP.
2.tHEY STILL WANT TO BE PART AND PARCEL OF THE ppp
3. They do not have the Guyanese people interest in their heart just their own personal agenda.

Chief, I'm trying very hard to bite my lips and not let out a barrage of expletives on you. After all, you and I agreed to disagree.
But I must let you know that you are reading my comrades Nagamootoo and Ramkarran absolutely incorrectly.
Staying in the PPP doesn't mean Nagamootoo and Ramkarran don't have the Guyanese people's interest at heart.
And, considering the prevailing environment at Freedom House these days, I don't understand what you mean by personal agenda.
Nagamootoo and Ramkarran are big intelligent men, sworn and dedicated to the cause of the downtrodden. That cause has always been the reason for the PPP's very existence.
Notwithstanding the recent setback Nagamootoo and Ramkarran have experienced, all is not lost. A lost battle is not a lost war.
I am optimistic that after the elections there will be a groundswell of questioning and soul-searching within the PPP, as well as a movement to steer that great proletarian party back to its original goals. In that regard, Moses Nagamootoo and Ralph Ramkarran will have key roles to play.
B
UNCLE BOOKIE SAID: "I am optimistic that after the elections there will be a groundswell of questioning and soul-searching within the PPP, as well as a movement to steer that great proletarian party back to its original goals. In that regard, Moses Nagamootoo and Ralph Ramkarran will have key roles to play."
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Big Grin
T
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Originally posted by TK_REDUX:
UNCLE BOOKIE SAID: "I am optimistic that after the elections there will be a groundswell of questioning and soul-searching within the PPP, as well as a movement to steer that great proletarian party back to its original goals. In that regard, Moses Nagamootoo and Ralph Ramkarran will have key roles to play."
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Big Grin


The only way this will happen is if we lose the election, only then the PPP will come to its senses.
J
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Originally posted by Mr.T:
Only the AFC is a save haven for all races in the coming election. The PNC and PPP have not provided for the poor.


a save heaven for all the rejected no good ka ka hole politicians cheers
FM
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Originally posted by SuperMike:
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Originally posted by Mr.T:
Only the AFC is a save haven for all races in the coming election. The PNC and PPP have not provided for the poor.


a save heaven for all the rejected no good ka ka hole politicians cheers


You are right super Mike we in the PPP have the best politicians and ministers.

Chaps like the gardener cum minister now ambassador Killahman lall.

The fellow who never went to school rohee.

The Agri minister who cannot even plant grass Robert persaud aka Anchor baby.

Ramsammy - The food sciences man with zero experience managing a health care system and he is not a medical doctor contrary to popular belief.

Shall we continue?
J
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Notwithstanding the recent setback Nagamootoo and Ramkarran have experienced, all is not lost. A lost battle is not a lost war.
I am optimistic that after the elections there will be a groundswell of questioning and soul-searching within the PPP, as well as a movement to steer that great proletarian party back to its original goals. In that regard, Moses Nagamootoo and Ralph Ramkarran will have key roles to play.


A very succinct and poignant statement. Let those who have understanding, understand!
FM
In all fairness to Naga, he did try to clean the place up. And he left declaring, "i leff alyuh on u own."

There is no coming back for him. Ramkarran can't sey boo, because his brother is in Washington.

Ur party have achieved it maximum, the only thing awaits them is a fine whipping in Albion Front.

I am hoping to hear ur president gets what he desreves.
S
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Originally posted by jags:
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Originally posted by SuperMike:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr.T:
Only the AFC is a save haven for all races in the coming election. The PNC and PPP have not provided for the poor.


a save heaven for all the rejected no good ka ka hole politicians cheers


You are right super Mike we in the PPP have the best politicians and ministers.

Chaps like the gardener cum minister now ambassador Killahman lall.

The fellow who never went to school rohee.

The Agri minister who cannot even plant grass Robert persaud aka Anchor baby.

Ramsammy - The food sciences man with zero experience managing a health care system and he is not a medical doctor contrary to popular belief.

Shall we continue?


what all dis gat fu do with the AFC being a party of rejected wata wash politicians EH?
FM
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Originally posted by Bookman:
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Originally posted by Chief:
quote:
Originally posted by TK_REDUX:
My hunch is Mr Nagamootoo and Mr Ramkarran will never have a chance again to have influence within the PPP.They are hoping against hope. The PPP will be converted to a Ramotar=Jagdeo fiefdom. The PPP is the mechanism through which Ramotar will reward his children and friends at the expense of many Guyanese. They do not seem to understand of Stalinist communists like Ramotar and Jagdeo operate.


What is it that you do not understand?????

Nagammotoo and Ramkaran are cut from the same cloth as Donald Ramoutar!!! If not, why are they not joinng with other opposition forces? I will tell you why.
1. They are still loyal to the communist PPP.
2.tHEY STILL WANT TO BE PART AND PARCEL OF THE ppp
3. They do not have the Guyanese people interest in their heart just their own personal agenda.

Chief, I'm trying very hard to bite my lips and not let out a barrage of expletives on you. After all, you and I agreed to disagree.
But I must let you know that you are reading my comrades Nagamootoo and Ramkarran absolutely incorrectly.
Staying in the PPP doesn't mean Nagamootoo and Ramkarran don't have the Guyanese people's interest at heart.
And, considering the prevailing environment at Freedom House these days, I don't understand what you mean by personal agenda.
Nagamootoo and Ramkarran are big intelligent men, sworn and dedicated to the cause of the downtrodden. That cause has always been the reason for the PPP's very existence.
Notwithstanding the recent setback Nagamootoo and Ramkarran have experienced, all is not lost. A lost battle is not a lost war.
I am optimistic that after the elections there will be a groundswell of questioning and soul-searching within the PPP, as well as a movement to steer that great proletarian party back to its original goals. In that regard, Moses Nagamootoo and Ralph Ramkarran will have key roles to play.


The best role they can play right now is join with The Key!!

You are sending mixed signals. What are you really saying? ARE YOU CLOSING YOUR EYES TO THE CORRUPTION BY THE CURRENT CROP OF ppp Leaders? The current crop of leaders were hand picked by the Jagans, are you doubting that?

If Moses really want to fight for the down trodden then let him stop fighting to rejoin the corrupt group at Freedom House, plain and simple!!
Chief
Many of us have a decision to make either we stay PPP but cast our votes for Khemraj and hope the PPP loses and then there will be a period of forced reflection or we continue to support a party which is on a kamikaze mission
J
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Originally posted by jags:
Many of us have a decision to make either we stay PPP but cast our votes for Khemraj and hope the PPP loses and then there will be a period of forced reflection or we continue to support a party which is on a kamikaze mission


cool dung bro...go tek a shot of rum or something....this thing is up to the Guyanese voters...they will dcide who they think is the best to run the affairs of the country and when they do you and all the rest of KFC katahars here will HAVE to shut yall rass and honor the people's choice....FYI iti will none other than the big bad Donald and the PPP...naa fret bro...leff the fretting to the KFC cheers
FM
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Originally posted by jags:
I'm a PPP man what do i give a rats ass about the AFC and who dem gat and who dem aint gat?
ppp all the way (people prapa punish)shine rice every day take money and make mala for bar--rat neck
W
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Originally posted by warrior:
quote:
Originally posted by jags:
I'm a PPP man what do i give a rats ass about the AFC and who dem gat and who dem aint gat?
ppp all the way (people prapa punish)shine rice every day take money and make mala for bar--rat neck



the word is out..PPP on the move to take Guyana to a better place for another 5 years...the Guyanese people will vote dem back into office for another term to allow dem to continue to grow the country and making a better lives for all Guyanese as we see in Guyana today...PPP...PPP....PPP....PPP flag
FM
quote:
Originally posted by Chief:
quote:
Originally posted by jags:
Moses and the rest of these so called Jaganites simply do not have what it takes to be leaders they are good followers.


And given a chance by President Jagdeo or Candidate Ramoutar they will not hesitate to come and have some of the soup.


Can you become a hindu? If not, then don't ask moses to do something you are not prepared to do...

Moses has declared that he is a PPPite forever, just like me. We stick with bad times as well as the good.
FM
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Originally posted by SuperMike:
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Originally posted by warrior:
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Originally posted by jags:
I'm a PPP man what do i give a rats ass about the AFC and who dem gat and who dem aint gat?
ppp all the way (people prapa punish)shine rice every day take money and make mala for bar--rat neck



the word is out..PPP on the move to take Guyana to a better place for another 5 years...the Guyanese people will vote dem back into office for another term to allow dem to continue to grow the country and making a better lives for all Guyanese as we see in Guyana today...PPP...PPP....PPP....PPP flag


Onward Guyana! vote PPP.
FM
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Originally posted by seignet:
Working for a better tomorrow.

Isn't Jagdeo going away?

Albion ppl doan let these Demerarians fool you all. They think dey slick.


jagdeo will continue to be a member of the central committee if the PPP. A committee wich once pick paddy now pick the President. Big Grin
FM
Everybody cannot be the Leader. This is the Problem with the AFC as was with Burnham and Cheddi.
There are people outside of the PPP who wants to dictate what the PPP should do or shouldn't do. I say to them take a hike.
FM
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
Everybody cannot be the Leader. This is the Problem with the AFC as was with Burnham and Cheddi.
There are people outside of the PPP who wants to dictate what the PPP should do or shouldn't do. I say to them take a hike.


No one should dictate to the PPP what they should and should not do and I dont think that was possible for the past 19 years so why would that all of a sudden be an issue.

The PPP has become a run away train.
J

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