These AFC/PNC scumbags are portraying Indos as welfare collectors. Indos pay the biggest share of Income taxes in Guyana.

I just cannot wait for these AFC/PNC scums to be kicked out of office in 2020.

In my opinion, the fact the government is considering privatizing some estates means they feel those estates can do better in private hands. Which brings up the question, what can private owners do that the government can't? Basically they're admitting their incompetence and if these estates can be salvaged in private hands, maybe GUYSUCO needs to implement those same changes and keep the estates and profit to benefit Guyana.

PNC = SQUARE PENS IN ROUND HOLES, THERE IS NO FRIGGIN HOPE OF PROGRESS UNDER SUCH DUNCES!!!!!!!!

http://demerarawaves.com/2017/...ld-kill-rum-industy/

The sugar company’s CEO told the committee, what has been known for some time, that GUYSUCO’s debt stands at some $77B.

He said $1.7B was owed to the National Insurance Scheme (NIS); $7.6Billion to the Guyana Revenue Authority; $226Million to the Guyana Agricultural Workers Union (GAWU); $665Million to the Pension Fund; $1Billion to foreign creditors; $2.8Billion to local banks; $829Million for a Caribbean Development Bank (CDB) loan; and $29.3Billion in loans for the Skeldon Sugar Factory. Other figures were quoted.

Guysuco is heavily indebted,they are probably thinking of selling to reduced their debt and also don't have keep on bailing them out.

Sugar and Rice are the backbone of the Indo-Guyanese community. Where are those people going to find work? That's all most of them know. It's not as if they can just go do something else. Of course GUYSUCO is in heavy debt. Their executives are among the fattest of the fat cats. How come other countries in the world can produce sugar at a profit?

THe whole World is dealing with retraining. They can try to join others in the US, Canada. THose who cannot must start to look elsewhere. Humans have very good survival skills. Young sugar workers and their children needs to get skills, the older ones need help to plan and cultivate crops that will be marketable and profitable.

GTAngler posted:

Sugar and Rice are the backbone of the Indo-Guyanese community. Where are those people going to find work? That's all most of them know. It's not as if they can just go do something else. Of course GUYSUCO is in heavy debt. Their executives are among the fattest of the fat cats. How come other countries in the world can produce sugar at a profit?

The structure of the plantation with many water ways increase the cost plus cost of manual labor,take a look at the US it's mechanized which reduced cost.

Django posted:

GTAngler posted:

Sugar and Rice are the backbone of the Indo-Guyanese community. Where are those people going to find work? That's all most of them know. It's not as if they can just go do something else. Of course GUYSUCO is in heavy debt. Their executives are among the fattest of the fat cats. How come other countries in the world can produce sugar at a profit?

The structure of the plantation with many water ways increase the cost plus cost of manual labor,take a look at the US it's mechanized which reduced cost.

You want the sugar workers fetch the cane on their heads to the factory??? What happen with a tractor pulling 40-50 pints of cane? What happen with the steers pulling the punts to the factory? Bai, you really know sugar or you are like a man who studied sugar but never saw a sugar cane field or a cane cutter in the field?

The sugar industry in Guyana does have to be upgraded but gradually so the workers can transition into something else. As it is, nothing is being done. Start with one estate.  In 2015 Guyana was 28th in the world with just .5% of the sugar produced worldwide. Poland produced more than we did. From the looks of things, the current government is looking to use Sugar as an excuse to strike a blow against the Indo-Guyanese. By the way, what ever happened to the Amaila Project. Did Motilall ever earn the 20+ Million USD he was paid?

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

GTAngler posted:

Sugar and Rice are the backbone of the Indo-Guyanese community. Where are those people going to find work? That's all most of them know. It's not as if they can just go do something else. Of course GUYSUCO is in heavy debt. Their executives are among the fattest of the fat cats. How come other countries in the world can produce sugar at a profit?

The structure of the plantation with many water ways increase the cost plus cost of manual labor,take a look at the US it's mechanized which reduced cost.

You want the sugar workers fetch the cane on their heads to the factory??? What happen with a tractor pulling 40-50 pints of cane? What happen with the steers pulling the punts to the factory? Bai, you really know sugar or you are like a man who studied sugar but never saw a sugar cane field or a cane cutter in the field?

After finishing school spent a few years working in Georgetown,went back home worked as a casual worker in the industry for a couple years started from fertilizer gang then moved up to separating the juice from the soil used to cut and load 3 tons a day,quit studied Electronics and back to work in GT.I was single and free in those years.

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

GTAngler posted:

Sugar and Rice are the backbone of the Indo-Guyanese community. Where are those people going to find work? That's all most of them know. It's not as if they can just go do something else. Of course GUYSUCO is in heavy debt. Their executives are among the fattest of the fat cats. How come other countries in the world can produce sugar at a profit?

The structure of the plantation with many water ways increase the cost plus cost of manual labor,take a look at the US it's mechanized which reduced cost.

You want the sugar workers fetch the cane on their heads to the factory??? What happen with a tractor pulling 40-50 pints of cane? What happen with the steers pulling the punts to the factory? Bai, you really know sugar or you are like a man who studied sugar but never saw a sugar cane field or a cane cutter in the field?

Bhai

Na waste time wid Django, he thinks like a lil boy in terms of economics and politics. Forgive him.

The workers have also called repeatedly for President David Granger and Minister of Agriculture Noel Holder to visit the area and listen to their concerns.

The bannas firing thousands by remote control from Granger office in GT.  Guyana really funny.

Brian Teekah posted:

The workers have also called repeatedly for President David Granger and Minister of Agriculture Noel Holder to visit the area and listen to their concerns.

 

The bannas firing thousands by remote control from Granger office in GT.  Guyana really funny.

Guyana gone fuh channa. Coolie gun punish again just like Burnham time. Coolie hard ears, they don't learn. Dem truss dem niggroes too much.

Needs to be trust between "coolie" and "negro". In this case however, is de wrang negroes an coolies who don't realize dem is coolie.

The problem with the sugar industry started from the time Burnham nationalize the industry, he kicked the British out, some were given 48hours to leave the country. They started with  the qualified were replaced by the incompetent Black PNC card holders. You had people like Harold Davis took over the head office, he was screwing all the female office staff. Yes, the PPP came into power but they allowed everything to stay the same, playing politics and kept the dunce Blacks in the senior management. Today the PNC will do everything to chase the Indians out of Guyana, thus creating a Black Majority for 2020. Granger and boys are banking heavily on Liquid Gold [OIL} and Exxon plan to pump in 2020.Remember, Burnham ban Dhal to hurt the Indians, today Granger is killing Rice and Sugar to Kill the Indians.

Not just the sugar industry. All across the board unqualified and incompetent "comrades" were thrown into positions they had no place being.

Django,   

The Sugar Industry survived because of preferential pricing,as soon as that was cut gov't have to dole out money to keep it afloat,the PPP invested in the Chinese junk at Skeldon which didn't produce more than some of the older factories,some folks believed the are Economic maestro.The fat cats got rich and the workers left with the crumbs,new players in town the ugly head of victimization shows up.

kp posted:

Django,   

After finishing school spent a few years working in Georgetown,went back home worked as a casual worker in the industry for a couple years started from fertilizer gang then moved up to separating the juice from the soil used to cut and load 3 tons a day,quit studied Electronics and back to work in GT.I was single and free in those years.

You should have studied agriculture and then you would have authority to talk about sugar, but to say it cost too much to produce is hogwash,The industry is TOP Heavy, too many Chiefs and less Indians. There need a foreign study to be done, results to be implemented.

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In those days yield was high,what happen with all the brains from F.H,some of my friends and family,who were Managers,Supervisors etc worked in the Industry,me know lil bit me dadee was wan driver plus we had some farm and rice land.

The aFc/PNC claimed that they could save sugar, it was only Granger who while in opposition said that the industry should be closed. The other afc/pnc jackasses said they had the solution once they stopped the pPP thiefing. 

Drugb posted:

The aFc/PNC claimed that they could save sugar, it was only Granger who while in opposition said that the industry should be closed. The other afc/pnc jackasses said they had the solution once they stopped the pPP thiefing. 

That's what they led me to believe too. And they also promised to pay rice farmers over $8,000 per bag. Truly, I've lost faith in politicians' promises.

This is the beginning of the end of sugar industries in Guyana. Eventually, they will all be closed. I said this many times that the sugar industry will face the same faith in the TATA bus graveyard by a man who follows Burnham ideology. 

Gilbakka posted:

Drugb posted:

The aFc/PNC claimed that they could save sugar, it was only Granger who while in opposition said that the industry should be closed. The other afc/pnc jackasses said they had the solution once they stopped the pPP thiefing. 

That's what they led me to believe too. And they also promised to pay rice farmers over $8,000 per bag. Truly, I've lost faith in politicians' promises.

The fact is that sugar in Guyana has been dead for a long time. The successive governments have just been keeping it on life support with revenue injection. 

Rice and Sugar from Guyana cannot compete on the world market as new technological approaches to agriculture have not been implemented in Guyana to compete with world producers. 

Absolutely right. Given the importance of both in Guyana both as export revenue and local consumption, shouldn't the governments past and present have done something to improve, modernize, upgrade etc. those industries? Even if partially at first. Are we going to have to import rice and sugar eventually? What about the impact on the liquor production? Demerara rum is the best in the world.

An addendum. I was doing some checking on GUYSUCO and it's executives. Can someone please explain who in their right mind would hire an ABSENTEE CEO living in the United States who has to be flown home at GUYSUCO's expense when necessary? If I am correct he wasn't the only overseas based executive. I believe there was a Hanoman living in England who held a high position? The industry is heavily in debt and their only qualifications were they were ardent supporters of the PPP. Seriously, what kind of shit is that? I do believe that with some serious cost cutting, upgrading and maybe reducing the work week temporarily, those Estates could be saved. I am sure given the choice, the workers would choose some work over none.

GTAngler posted:

Sugar and Rice are the backbone of the Indo-Guyanese community. Where are those people going to find work?

Same place that the black bauxite workers found jobs.  

Don't be a blasted idiot. If you have nothing positive to contribute then shut up.

GTAngler posted:

An addendum. I was doing some checking on GUYSUCO and it's executives. Can someone please explain who in their right mind would hire an ABSENTEE CEO living in the United States who has to be flown home at GUYSUCO's expense when necessary? If I am correct he wasn't the only overseas based executive. I believe there was a Hanoman living in England who held a high position? The industry is heavily in debt and their only qualifications were they were ardent supporters of the PPP. Seriously, what kind of shit is that? I do believe that with some serious cost cutting, upgrading and maybe reducing the work week temporarily, those Estates could be saved. I am sure given the choice, the workers would choose some work over none.

Good point.  New Jersey fraudster who was DANALD RUMMY budday.

GTAngler posted:

An addendum. I was doing some checking on GUYSUCO and it's executives. Can someone please explain who in their right mind would hire an ABSENTEE CEO living in the United States who has to be flown home at GUYSUCO's expense when necessary? 

Are you referring to Dr Raj Singh? Conventional wisdom deemed that a bad GuySuCo decision from Day 1. But Dr Raj Singh had powerful friends in the Highest Office at that time.

GTAngler posted:

Don't be a blasted idiot. If you have nothing positive to contribute then shut up.

Why.  The PPP sold bauxite and blacks lost their jobs in an area where little other than bauxite was available.

Now displaced sugar workers .might suffer the same fate

They do NOT deserve any more consideration than do the bauxite workers in Region 10.  They will have to survive in the SAME way.

At least this government will offer at least some of them land. Now what did the bauxite workers get? NOTHING!

You are a racist dog if you don't understand this. Indian lives are NOT more important than are blacks.

GTAngler posted:

Don't be a blasted idiot. If you have nothing positive to contribute then shut up.

Don't worry about him he is a token black GNI er. He never has anything meaningful to offer.The racist poster boy.

I never said anything about Indian or Black or consideration of any over the other. I called you an idiot because only an idiot would suggest retraining approximately 16,000 people, a large percentage of which is illiterate, to work in an industry that doesn't have that many jobs available. As for being racist, you are absolutely right. I hate the race of stupid people.

kp posted:

GTAngler posted:

Don't be a blasted idiot. If you have nothing positive to contribute then shut up.

Don't worry about him he is a token black GNI er. He never has anything meaningful to offer.The racist poster boy.

So says a proud member of the Indo KKK.

Kp and company will never admit why I am the "token" black when more than 50% of Guyanese aren't Indian.

The racism which pervades this GNI and the rampant disrespect for Indians (not the racially derogatory remarks directed at D2 and the loud screams about blacks that would make the KKK proud).  Similarly bigotry towards Muslims.

GT Angler don't know whether you are new or not, but just be careful about the company that you keep if you don't want to be seen as being a bigot.

caribny posted:

GTAngler posted:

Sugar and Rice are the backbone of the Indo-Guyanese community. Where are those people going to find work?

Same place that the black bauxite workers found jobs.  

I see that you are a liar. Here you refer to Indians?  You put this within a race based context.  .

Did you say anything about the fate that black workers suffered when bauxite was sold and 80% of them lost their jobs?  NO! But you seem concerned about Indians.

So given that you care nothing about blacks, why then should others care about Indians?

They will have to survive just as did he displaced bauxite workers. We are bombarded with screams of "black man lazy" and how "hardworking" Indians are.

THAT is why virtually all of the blacks who used to post on GNI left. And in fact I only periodically peep in these days, as I consider this site to be a cesspit of racist bigotry.

I can tell you first hand that GT Angler is not a bigot.  He keeps very good company.

GTAngler posted:

I never said anything about Indian or Black or consideration of any over the other. I called you an idiot because only an idiot would suggest retraining approximately 16,000 people, a large percentage of which is illiterate, to work in an industry that doesn't have that many jobs available. As for being racist, you are absolutely right. I hate the race of stupid people.

Still no comments about the fate of the bauxite workers who live in a region where the soils were poor, and they were mainly impoverished.

But they are blacks so they don't matter.  You see in the eyes of racists like you when non Indians have problems they need to shut up, but the whole world must stop when Indians have problems.

well GuySICKO is a mess in the same way as Guymine used to be and one set of the adverserly impacted do NOT need any more consideration than do others.

But a man like who clearly thinks that Indians are the only ones who matter cannot see this.

And please tell me who many people in Guyana make US$1,000 per month as we are hearing that sugar workers make. Clue. Not even many wth college degrees.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

I can tell you first hand that GT Angler is not a bigot.  He

Given that you are one you are hardly a credible person. Better you said nothing but now I am convinced that he is.

I have never professed a bias to either race. I challenge anyone here to prove that I have. Everything I have written is what I believe. I have noticed bigotry towards several groups here but I choose to ignore it because I am above perpetuating such nonsense. There are a lot of "undercovers". I am more concerned with the future of Guyana. Not Indian Guyana or Black Guyana or Hindu Guyana or Muslim Guyana but GUYANA.

caribny posted:

caribny posted:

GTAngler posted:

Sugar and Rice are the backbone of the Indo-Guyanese community. Where are those people going to find work?

Same place that the black bauxite workers found jobs.  

I see that you are a liar. Here you refer to Indians?  You put this within a race based context.  .

Did you say anything about the fate that black workers suffered when bauxite was sold and 80% of them lost their jobs?  NO! But you seem concerned about Indians.

So given that you care nothing about blacks, why then should others care about Indians?

They will have to survive just as did he displaced bauxite workers. We are bombarded with screams of "black man lazy" and how "hardworking" Indians are.

THAT is why virtually all of the blacks who used to post on GNI left. And in fact I only periodically peep in these days, as I consider this site to be a cesspit of racist bigotry.

Whoa, whoa, whoa ,whoa, cut that out.  That is a personal attack that is completely off mark.  GT Angler is not a racist by any measure of the word, so please don't drag him into your cesspit of racist bigotry.

The people who left GNI did not leave because of race.  They left because the coalition govt that they helped to elect turned out to be a piece of crap so they all went to hide under their beds.