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Originally posted by The Judge:
AFC has proposed that if they become the new government the head of the Government will be the Prime Minister or in this case Raphael Trotman. We now see the real reason why the Trotman returned to the position of Prime Ministerial candidate and leader of the list.

It begs the question why did Ramjattan and Nagamootoo join the AFC?

a party with the people, for all the people

This was predicted a while ago..that Ramajattan was merely keeping the seat warm for Trotman

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Originally posted by albert:
This was predicted a while ago..that Ramajattan was merely keeping the seat warm for Trotman

what happen bai,the AFC given you nightmare

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Originally posted by warrior:

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Originally posted by albert:
This was predicted a while ago..that Ramajattan was merely keeping the seat warm for Trotman

what happen bai,the AFC given you nightmare

Far from it, the AFC will be unable to fathom the resounding defeat they will face at the polls.

The AFC cannot do that on its own. It will require a constitutional change - well, unless the AFC wins a two-thirds majority, thus controlling two-thirds of the members of the National Assembly. What Hughes is saying is just electioneering language.

But according to what he saying, if Ramjattan is elected President, he would be required to relinquish his executive powers to the Prime Minister.

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Originally posted by albert:

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Originally posted by warrior:

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Originally posted by albert:
This was predicted a while ago..that Ramajattan was merely keeping the seat warm for Trotman

what happen bai,the AFC given you nightmare

Far from it, the AFC will be unable to fathom the resounding defeat they will face at the polls.

fathom the resounding defeat.you train in russa too.let me put it in guyanese terms,you people thief all you could thief now,because you only have two more weeks.all evil must come to an end.you ever hear the saying the white lady have to get her due.if not let me give you a hint,the ppp crime family is going to jail

Warrior, Guyanese Patriot and the others, ya'll bets await the word from Campbellville on how to tackle this issue. I bet Nigel and company didn't think this through properly before blurting out another of the AFC's many nice-sounding ideas that are unrealistic

Whey ya'll gone? Why ya'll do that to Ramjattan

Its safe to conclude Trotman is out smarting both Ramjattan and the questionable "Moses" in the cakeshop party......Trotman seems to have full control over them as he manipulate and parade them for his personal interest....

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Originally posted by Daren David:
The AFC cannot do that on its own. It will require a constitutional change - well, unless the AFC wins a two-thirds majority, thus controlling two-thirds of the members of the National Assembly. What Hughes is saying is just electioneering language.

But according to what he saying, if Ramjattan is elected President, he would be required to relinquish his executive powers to the Prime Minister.

IS Huges speaking for the AFC?

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Originally posted by albert:
This was predicted a while ago..that Ramajattan was merely keeping the seat warm for Trotman

ONCE THE PPP IS VOTED OUT, I DON'T EVEN CARE, IF SHARMA IS RUNNING THE COUNTRY!

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Originally posted by Guyanese Patriot:

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Originally posted by albert:
This was predicted a while ago..that Ramajattan was merely keeping the seat warm for Trotman

ONCE THE PPP IS VOTED OUT, I DON'T EVEN CARE, IF SHARMA IS RUNNING THE COUNTRY!

Are you this dense? The polls are showing that the PPP will win a majority.

The meetings showed that the PPP gets over 20,000 people attending everytime.

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Originally posted by The Judge:
Warrior, Guyanese Patriot and the others, ya'll bets await the word from Campbellville on how to tackle this issue. I bet Nigel and company didn't think this through properly before blurting out another of the AFC's many nice-sounding ideas that are unrealistic

Nigel Hughes giving the dunces at Freedumb house fits. Y'all wish you had a quarter of the brains of Nigel Hughes but all the pea brains at Freedumb can't add up to match Nigel's brilliance!

Don't bad talk Nigel too much because nuff PPP criminals in OP and ROBB street will need Nigel's services after the elections

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Originally posted by albert:
Its safe to conclude Trotman is out smarting both Ramjattan and the questionable "Moses" in the cakeshop party......Trotman seems to have full control over them as he manipulate and parade them for his personal interest....

Moses not looking for position, Moses just want those that are stealing from the poor people and raping the country's coffers to be out of office and in Jail! Notwithstanding the drug dealings they involve with? Tell me where Jagdeo and Kwame get all that money to build those mansions with??

Jagdeo is a next Manuel Noriega!

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Originally posted by albert:
Its safe to conclude Trotman is out smarting both Ramjattan and the questionable "Moses" in the cakeshop party......Trotman seems to have full control over them as he manipulate and parade them for his personal interest....

your racist remark will not get you nowere.the indian people is not stupid,this election is not about race.its about a better way of live.so crawl back into that hole that you crawl out of

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Originally posted by warrior:

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Originally posted by albert:
Its safe to conclude Trotman is out smarting both Ramjattan and the questionable "Moses" in the cakeshop party......Trotman seems to have full control over them as he manipulate and parade them for his personal interest....

your racist remark will not get you nowere.the indian people is not stupid,this election is not about race.its about a better way of live.so crawl back into that hole that you crawl out of

You have to tell him to crawl back in the peanut butter hole!

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Originally posted by Guyanese Patriot:

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Originally posted by warrior:

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Originally posted by albert:
Its safe to conclude Trotman is out smarting both Ramjattan and the questionable "Moses" in the cakeshop party......Trotman seems to have full control over them as he manipulate and parade them for his personal interest....

your racist remark will not get you nowere.the indian people is not stupid,this election is not about race.its about a better way of live.so crawl back into that hole that you crawl out of

You have to tell him to crawl back in the peanut butter hole!

That is not peanut butter coming out of your hole...

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Guyanese Patriot:

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Originally posted by warrior:

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Originally posted by albert:
Its safe to conclude Trotman is out smarting both Ramjattan and the questionable "Moses" in the cakeshop party......Trotman seems to have full control over them as he manipulate and parade them for his personal interest....

your racist remark will not get you nowere.the indian people is not stupid,this election is not about race.its about a better way of live.so crawl back into that hole that you crawl out of

You have to tell him to crawl back in the peanut butter hole!

That is not peanut butter coming out of your hole...

here we go again.

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Originally posted by Guyanese Patriot:

Nigel Hughes giving the dunces at Freedumb house fits. Y'all wish you had a quarter of the brains of Nigel Hughes but all the pea brains at Freedumb can't add up to match Nigel's brilliance!

Don't bad talk Nigel too much because nuff PPP criminals in OP and ROBB street will need Nigel's services after the elections

Being a good Lawyer doesn't often make you the best politician. Forbes Burnham was also a Lawyer wasn't he?

BTW in case Guyanese Patriot is too busy with his obsession for the PPP, this thread isn't about your other obsession: NIGEL HUGHES. Neither is Hughes above criticism. Once you enter the realm of politics like Hughes has, then he has to accept the things that come with with i.e personal attacks, expose, examination of his conduct etc like every other politician.

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Originally posted by The Judge:


It begs the question why did Ramjattan and Nagamootoo join the AFC?

Judge the PPP cant play the "scare collie" tactics, and simultaneously try to attract non Indian votes.

Also their attempt to invent APNU violence will simply scare Afros away from the PNC to the AFC.

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Originally posted by caribj:


Judge the PPP cant play the "scare collie" tactics, and simultaneously try to attract non Indian votes.

Also their attempt to invent APNU violence will simply scare Afros away from the PNC to the AFC.

Where have they invented this violence? The again i shouldn't argue with an overseas based Guyanese who relies on hear-say and news reports for his information on Guyana

How come Ramotar was never a minister in the PPP government and was not ever placed in a decision making position?

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Originally posted by Mitwah:
How come Ramotar was never a minister in the PPP government and was not ever placed in a decision making position?

You shouldn't bother with something that doesn't concern you or understand..

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Mitwah:
How come Ramotar was never a minister in the PPP government and was not ever placed in a decision making position?

You shouldn't bother with something that doesn't concern you or understand..

He is inept. His record at Guysuco shows that he is an abject failure. At your company, his resume would be in file 13.

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Originally posted by The Judge:

And what is wrong with this may I ask?

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Originally posted by Daren David:
The AFC cannot do that on its own. It will require a constitutional change - well, unless the AFC wins a two-thirds majority, thus controlling two-thirds of the members of the National Assembly. What Hughes is saying is just electioneering language.

But according to what he saying, if Ramjattan is elected President, he would be required to relinquish his executive powers to the Prime Minister.

DO you think the PPP can maintain its position on the executive presidency and still save face with its constituency as the party for democracy?

And that is not what he is saying ( with respect to the highlighted section). I suggest you examine closely what they state. The avenues for reforming the constituency will be a people driven enterprise not a party centered project.

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Originally posted by D2:
And what is wrong with this may I ask?

NOTHING! NOT A THING!

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Daren David:
The AFC cannot do that on its own. It will require a constitutional change - well, unless the AFC wins a two-thirds majority, thus controlling two-thirds of the members of the National Assembly. What Hughes is saying is just electioneering language.

But according to what he saying, if Ramjattan is elected President, he would be required to relinquish his executive powers to the Prime Minister.

DO you think the PPP can maintain its position on the executive presidency and still save face with its constituency as the party for democracy?

And that is not what he is saying ( with respect to the highlighted section). I suggest you examine closely what they state. The avenues for reforming the constituency will be a people driven enterprise not a party centered project.

If the AFC succeeds in doing all it plans to do regarding its reform of the constitution, there will no longer be an executive President. So if Ramjattan is elected as President under the present constitution, he will lose his executive powers if the AFC-proposed reforms are accepted, and the Prime Minister will wield greater powers. Don't you agree? And no matter if reforming the constitution will be a people driven enterprise and not a party project, the reformed document will still require a two-thirds majority in the National Assembly to be accepted.

The AFC will indeed do away with the Executive Presidency, and Ramjattan will then become the Prime Minister, and Trotman will assume the next highest position.

However, the AFC will retain the Presidency in a similar fashion to Triniday, where the President oversees the Foreign Service and Constitutional Matters. My nominee for that post would be Moses Nagamootoo.

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Originally posted by Gerhard Ramsaroop:
The AFC will indeed do away with the Executive Presidency, and Ramjattan will then become the Prime Minister, and Trotman will assume the next highest position.

However, the AFC will retain the Presidency in a similar fashion to Triniday, where the President oversees the Foreign Service and Constitutional Matters. My nominee for that post would be Moses Nagamootoo.

This is not going to happen. The Guyana voters don't give a damn about the change. If that's what you guys are offering Guyanese then you are doomed to failure.

Where are the jobs??

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Gerhard Ramsaroop:
The AFC will indeed do away with the Executive Presidency, and Ramjattan will then become the Prime Minister, and Trotman will assume the next highest position.

However, the AFC will retain the Presidency in a similar fashion to Triniday, where the President oversees the Foreign Service and Constitutional Matters. My nominee for that post would be Moses Nagamootoo.

This is not going to happen. The Guyana voters don't give a damn about the change. If that's what you guys are offering Guyanese then you are doomed to failure.

Where are the jobs??

Here are the Jobs:

AFC Action Plan - Full

AFC Action Plan - Sections

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Originally posted by Gerhard Ramsaroop:

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Gerhard Ramsaroop:
The AFC will indeed do away with the Executive Presidency, and Ramjattan will then become the Prime Minister, and Trotman will assume the next highest position.

However, the AFC will retain the Presidency in a similar fashion to Triniday, where the President oversees the Foreign Service and Constitutional Matters. My nominee for that post would be Moses Nagamootoo.

This is not going to happen. The Guyana voters don't give a damn about the change. If that's what you guys are offering Guyanese then you are doomed to failure.

Where are the jobs??

Here are the Jobs:

AFC Action Plan - Full

AFC Action Plan - Sections

A plan is only a plan when it is put into action. The AFC can only dream about. The AFC brays a lot.

I give you guys 2 seats.

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Originally posted by Gerhard Ramsaroop:
The AFC will indeed do away with the Executive Presidency, and Ramjattan will then become the Prime Minister, and Trotman will assume the next highest position.

However, the AFC will retain the Presidency in a similar fashion to Triniday, where the President oversees the Foreign Service and Constitutional Matters. My nominee for that post would be Moses Nagamootoo.

The role of the President of Trinidad is purely ceremonial. You will be doing an injustice to put Moses in that type of presidency.

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Originally posted by Daren David:

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Originally posted by Gerhard Ramsaroop:
The AFC will indeed do away with the Executive Presidency, and Ramjattan will then become the Prime Minister, and Trotman will assume the next highest position.

However, the AFC will retain the Presidency in a similar fashion to Triniday, where the President oversees the Foreign Service and Constitutional Matters. My nominee for that post would be Moses Nagamootoo.

The role of the President of Trinidad is purely ceremonial. You will be doing an injustice to put Moses in that type of presidency.

Please double check that, I believe you are wrong.

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Originally posted by Gerhard Ramsaroop:

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Originally posted by Daren David:

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Originally posted by Gerhard Ramsaroop:
The AFC will indeed do away with the Executive Presidency, and Ramjattan will then become the Prime Minister, and Trotman will assume the next highest position.

However, the AFC will retain the Presidency in a similar fashion to Triniday, where the President oversees the Foreign Service and Constitutional Matters. My nominee for that post would be Moses Nagamootoo.

The role of the President of Trinidad is purely ceremonial. You will be doing an injustice to put Moses in that type of presidency.

Please double check that, I believe you are wrong.

Check the T&T constitution. Or you can ask Moses Nagamootoo. As a veteran politician he surely has read the T&T constitution.

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Originally posted by Daren David:

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Daren David:
The AFC cannot do that on its own. It will require a constitutional change - well, unless the AFC wins a two-thirds majority, thus controlling two-thirds of the members of the National Assembly. What Hughes is saying is just electioneering language.

But according to what he saying, if Ramjattan is elected President, he would be required to relinquish his executive powers to the Prime Minister.

DO you think the PPP can maintain its position on the executive presidency and still save face with its constituency as the party for democracy?

And that is not what he is saying ( with respect to the highlighted section). I suggest you examine closely what they state. The avenues for reforming the constituency will be a people driven enterprise not a party centered project.

If the AFC succeeds in doing all it plans to do regarding its reform of the constitution, there will no longer be an executive President. So if Ramjattan is elected as President under the present constitution, he will lose his executive powers if the AFC-proposed reforms are accepted, and the Prime Minister will wield greater powers. Don't you agree? And no matter if reforming the constitution will be a people driven enterprise and not a party project, the reformed document will still require a two-thirds majority in the National Assembly to be accepted.

You are making assumptions on the constitution we have. I am sure the emphasis would be on a devolved constituency and the president will have a co equal arm of the legislature as his check. The PM position should be eliminated to avoid the confusion you have and re name it a vice presidency. There are many ways to remove the executive presidency and all it entails. Indeed it will take 2/3rds but you are again assuming that the dynamics of political relationships will remain the same.

The fundemantal question should be does the T%T constitution facilitate a republican form of govt or a westminister form of govt ?

If it is a republican form of govt then the president holds the power and the prime minister and the cabinet functions at his/her pleasure.....

If it is a westminister form of govt then the president is purely ceremonial just as the queen is in the Uk.....