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It turns out that Donald Trump's lies are hurting him.

  • His VA fundraiser (lack of disbursement) until called out on it by the Washington Post. Laughable is his claim he wants no publicity while doing this on the day he boycotted the Republican debate on Fox.
  • Lying about an Indiana-born judge in the Trump University case who fought to bring Mexican drug dealers and criminals to justice - the same supposed cause that Trump trumpeted when he called Mexicans rapists and so on.
  • Lying about the Wall. While you can't nail him down on a cost, even the max range of his $20 billion is not enough. Then there is the annual cost of maintenance.
  • Lying about a 35% tariff on Mexican imports to pay for the wall. Guess who pays that 35% tariff? - the American taxpayer.
  • Lying about taxing Chinese imports. Guess....well you know te narrative now.
  • Lying about carpet bombing ISIS or dropping a nuclear bomb on them......with all those innocent civilians? Why lie about something so obvious?
  • Lying about.............

 

Oh, let's not forget that other lie by Bernie Sanders - where will he find the money to pay for free university tuition? Where will he find the money for a single payer medical consumer (the US Government on behalf of all Americans)?

Hillary being untrustworthy? You can argue about her record, but her obfuscations do not harm the country. Lie about Bill's dalliances with Interns and others? Doing a Brian Williams in embellishing the truth?

 

Who's the liar and who's the jackass!, eh Ba$eman?

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Kari posted:

It turns out that Donald Trump's lies are hurting him.

  • His VA fundraiser (lack of disbursement) until called out on it by the Washington Post. Laughable is his claim he wants no publicity while doing this on the day he boycotted the Republican debate on Fox.
  • Lying about an Indiana-born judge in the Trump University case who fought to bring Mexican drug dealers and criminals to justice - the same supposed cause that Trump trumpeted when he called Mexicans rapists and so on.
  • Lying about the Wall. While you can't nail him down on a cost, even the max range of his $20 billion is not enough. Then there is the annual cost of maintenance.
  • Lying about a 35% tariff on Mexican imports to pay for the wall. Guess who pays that 35% tariff? - the American taxpayer.
  • Lying about taxing Chinese imports. Guess....well you know te narrative now.
  • Lying about carpet bombing ISIS or dropping a nuclear bomb on them......with all those innocent civilians? Why lie about something so obvious?
  • Lying about.............

 

Oh, let's not forget that other lie by Bernie Sanders - where will he find the money to pay for free university tuition? Where will he find the money for a single payer medical consumer (the US Government on behalf of all Americans)?

Hillary being untrustworthy? You can argue about her record, but her obfuscations do not harm the country. Lie about Bill's dalliances with Interns and others? Doing a Brian Williams in embellishing the truth?

 

Who's the liar and who's the jackass!, eh Ba$eman?

the world according to kari

FM
ba$eman posted:
 

the world according to kari

Jump and prance as much as you like but Trump is in a slump.  That latest racist stunt about the Mexican judge has the GOP running fore cover.

Yes they will "support" him.  Only because they don't want a fight, but they will focus on the down tickets, hoping that they don't lose the Senate.

Come Labor Day, when people get focused on the election.  This is when Trump's antics will be exposed.

The guy is just NOT presidential.  Americans have tremendous respect for the British, and when the UK PM calls Trump an idiot and a dunce, don't think that will not have impact.

 

FM

After Hillary's foreign policy speech this week and Trump's meltdown with whom he called the Mexican judge in the case of Trump University and the Veteran's fund raiser payments, Hillary has opened an 11 point lead in the polls. Even Speaker Paul Ryan said Trump's railing against the judge from Indiana came out of left field and he will call him out on such occasions.

Hillary pasted him well with humor and called him unfit to lead - and now that the stage has moved to the national level these are sticking, unlike when the likes of Rubio tried.

Ba$eman is quietly fuming.

Kari
Kari posted:

 

Ba$eman is quietly fuming.

Baseman was warned that come September Trump would begin to look like an idiot. 

I maintain that Trump relished the attention, but never really wanted to be president.  He cares nothing about the GOP, much as Sanders would gladly destroy the Democratic party.

I think he is now playing the buffoon, as it attracts media attention, which he craves.  He plays to the crowd in front of him, and not to the Silent Majority.  Even the racists don't like to be exposed as such, so his recent bellowing about the American judge, who has Mexican ancestry, isn't being received very well.

And now his war on the media.  Getting crowds to boo them, because they write things that he doesn't like.

Day by day Trump looks more and more like a 21st century Mussolini.  This country is finished if 51% of the voters in the key 6 states don't vote Hillary.  Face it. She isn't a strong candidate, but she isn't a destructive one either.

FM

Donald is a carnival barker. He knows foreign policy because he hosted Miss World....in Russia - shades of Palin's backyard. He doesn't know how lowering the top tax rates will explode the deficit and long-term debt.

Now he fac es scrutiny. In the GOP Primaries the media was interested in ratings. They will until after the Conventions in the fall. Watch out for the Donald being Swift-boated.

Kari
Kari posted:

Donald is a carnival barker. He knows foreign policy because he hosted Miss World....in Russia - shades of Palin's backyard.

Leave the man alone.  He doesn't want to be president, as that would be too boring.  Too many facts. Too many reports to read.  Too many irritating foreigners to chat with. Too many media folks irritating him.

In the meantime he will have fun until election day. His loss on that day will not hurt his ego any more than the loss of his AC casinos.  He will call Americans dumb and stupid, and call it a day.

 

It will be the GNI racists who will cry and wail, just as they did when white Americans weren't as racist as they predicted them to be in 2012, and Obama won 39% of their votes, and enough in swing states like VA.

Trump used to wail that he wasn't a racist, just anti illegals.  Well his true nature showed up when he claimed that an American judge is unsuitable because his ancestors came from Mexico.

I notice that baseman has gone silent on Trump.

FM
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This past week - really the first that Trump has faced in a national contest - has shown that Donald Trump is in over his head. The Republican Primary was a theatrical display of comedic sadness. The contest with what is surely the Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, is really a no-contest. Donald Trump is not even in the same park.

I thought that the onslaught would begin after the Fall conventions with the SuperPACs swift-boating the Donald - that is people associated with him showing what a fraud he is. However the Donald swift-boated himself with the Trump University scandal. Here's a guy involved in 3,500 lawsuits in the last 3 decades - wow! And then he assaults American sense of fairness with the bigotry of an American-born judge who has Mexican heritage.

It's over. Maybe soon the GOP would confirm Obama's chioce for the 9th Supreme Court position rather than wait for a Hillary appointment who is more liberal and possibly with a Democratic-majority Senate.

Kari

Don't count Trump out. Bill Clinton has said that the Democrats will be stupid to think that defeating Trump is easy. There are many baseman types here, plus others who have a pathological hatred for the Clintons. Reports are that even some females are attracted to Trump's alpha male persona, even though they tell pollsters otherwise.

So while Trump SHOULD be defeated, Hillary will have to work hard to protect the Democratic heartland in the Midwest, where many disaffected working class white men live.

Just remember that in 1979 people thought that an ageing, dimwitted actor would never be President. A bruising Carter/Kennedy battle paved the way for Reagan.

We will see what the Sanders folks do. Will enough of them stay away in critical states.  Note that even though PA has been a reliable Democratic state the margins of victory are quite narrow.

In addition certain states like VA, FL, and OH went Democratic in 2008, because of pride in the first black president. And in 2012, when relentless racist attacks on him led to high black turnout.

Will the black vote fall back to what is was in the pre Obama era. Will Trump make inroads into the white working class vote in the Midwest.

And most important. Will the Democratic convention be such a bruising affair that fractures links between the "progressive" and mainstream wings of the party?

FM

Counting Trump "in" is absurd. I read somewhere about the "lost tribe of the Amazon" theory  to refute the  Trump strategy.  He believes if he gets 70 percent of the white vote he will not have to worry about the minority vote.

The unfortunate thing is there is not a white demographic favorable to him existing anywhere that would get to that number. Try as he may he will not get to that number since white people are not a continuum and he relies of the latent racism in those feeling deprived by government policies favoring minorities and other nations.

His take from the minority vote will be around four among blacks a few percentage of Asians and about 10 percent of the Hispanic vote. There is also not sufficient numbers here even if we have a few backward of the tribes stupid enough to vote Trump.  He is a discredited brand and he is the one that cut that deal.

FM
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Danyael posted:

 There is also not sufficent numbers here even if we have a few backward of the tribes stupid enough to vote Trump.  He is a discredited brand and he is the one that cut that deal.

George Bush was a two term president.  I don't take anything for granted.

The Democrats will have to work hard, and not assume anything.  This from Bill Clinton, who is shrewd and knowledgeable.

We have the Sanders issue. He is now threatening to create problems at the convention.  If that becomes a fiasco many Sanders supporters might stay away.

FM

Sanders is a grumpy old man who will recede into insignificance in a month. His policies are nancy story. I agree with free education to a university first degree in state schools. The student loans etc kills the hope of the young poor. I however disagree with his other pie in the sky ideas. The reactionary young will come around because they cannot go to trump.

FM
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caribny posted:

All true about Sanders, but remember a 2% of voters who don't show up can make a difference in many states.

Hillary is considered toxic by many on the left and right.  They have this extreme pathological reaction to her, and the left might do to her what they did to Gore, when they voted for Nader.

I cannot imagine Hillary being toxic in light of what we have across the isle;that yellow haired evil racist leprechaun windbag. I do not know anything in the lady's history that is his degree of odious. Actually, I do not know anything she did that permits his stupid claims of corrupt and liar. 

FM
Danyael posted:
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I cannot imagine Hillary being toxic in light of what we have across the isle;that yellow haired evil racist leprechaun windbag. I do not know anything in the lady's history that is his degree of odious. Actually, I do not know anything she did that permits his stupid claims of corrupt and liar. 

 

Like I said, Bill is cautioning Democrats not to pop open the bubbly, because the Democratic party has its own internal issues to resolve. 

This can create a Trump Democrat, along the same lines as the Reagan Democrats emerged. Its the same demographic.  There are similarities among Democrats similar to that which exist in the 70s. The "progressive" wing is battling with the moderates.  

The white working class feels beleaugured, this time by immigrants.  Yes you can ridicule their mistaken racism, and bigotry, but these are vital demographics in important states like PA, MI, and OH.  All of which Hilary will need to win, along with FL and/or VA.

Note that the states that matter usually vote on a 51:49% basis, so the results can vary with a small drop in turn out, or a slight switch in voting patterns.

FM

CARIBNY you're over-analyzing it at this stage. Come the Fall and if Trump is still relevant you can get in to the dynamics such as Bernie's people voting the Independent guy or staying home, low turnout amongst Blacks (not Hispanics as Trump has guaranteed their mandatory turnout at the polling booths), 100% working class white voters being homogeneous and seeing Hillary as Lucifer (to borrow John Boehner's characterization of Trump), etc.

Trump met the glare of the National election's bright lights and he blinked. He doubled down on the Judge in the Trump U case and even said a Muslim judge would do the same. After praising Putin he heralded the Kim guy from No. Korea. He said he would allow Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. to build nukes and pull America from NATO. 

Here's how Trump wins - everybody goes nuts.

Kari

A renewed Trump surge is in the works.  The Clintons, Obamas, Liberal corrupt media and illegal thugs all converge with all guns blazing.  This will run its course like all others.  they will all soon be out of ammo and Trump will aim and fire.  We just saw eight wasted years of mediocre rule at best and more truly, failure.  A 3rd Obama term administered by Hillary is the last thing this country needs.  Trump has his flaws, no doubt, but nothing compared to those of crooked Hillary.  

FM
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Kari posted:

CARIBNY you're over-analyzing it at this stage.

Kari, I suggest that you go and argue with Bill Clinton about Trump. I submit that he knows way more about the realities of politics than you do.

Bill has become very frustrated by people like you, who have already begun to celebrate.  He knows Trump is wily and very media savvy.

Obama won FL by 1%, VA by 3%, OH by 2%.   Very slight shifts in who doesn't vote, and who does can make a difference. 

I think that you forgot that a landslide win in the electoral college vote often disguises the narrowness of victory in these states.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...753295f9a_story.html

Note that Hillary is now defending the Rust Belt.

 In 2000 the only Midwest states that Bush won were IN, and OH.  Note that since 2000 electoral college votes have been shifted from the Democratic strongholds in the North and the Midwest to the South/Florida where they are weaker.

Clinton fears that Trump opens up PA, WI, and MI, states that the Democrats traditionally had in the bag.  This is because many blame NAFTA for their plight, and Clinton himself is blamed for this.

 

FM
Kari posted:

CARIBNY go look at NAte Silver's fivethirtyeight.com web site - http://projects.fivethirtyeigh...-swing-the-election/ and see how OH, FL and VA are shaping up with demographic shifts and college-educated and non-college-educated whites. This guy is a statisticasl genius who called the 2012 and 2008 elections spot on.

So tell us why the GOP won the Senate. Don't say that they gerrymandered it, because you cannot gerrymander the Senate.

The Senate is run on a state wide basis the same way as the Electoral College is.  The same way that the GOP can seize the Senate, they can win the Presidency.

Even this article suggests risks.

1.  He is wrong when he said that the Latino vote doesn't matter. Its this vote that gets the Democrats NV, CO, NM and might get them AZ this year.  In fact they are important in FL too, with the growing Puerto Rican vote.

2. He exposes the fact that a return of black votes to the normal 11%, down from the 13% loses Hillary FL.  He admits that this would also make VA and OH much more up for grabs.  Note that Obama won VA by 3%, and OH by 2%.  Not large margins.  Note also that he lost NC, which is impacted by the forces of gentrification way more than OH is.

He isn't even getting into the fact that the youth vote is hostile to Hillary.  Yes they don't vote in large numbers, but the campaign and get out to vote efforts are not staffed by and large by people who are late middle aged like I am, and I suspect you are.  So if the youth decide to sit the election out, it means that the "GOTV" gets that much harder.

Its active on the ground work by very enthusiastic young volunteers which allowed an Obama victory in 2008.

He is also not catering to the growing anti establishment anger among many white men (not just the working class by the way).  They see in Hillary the very threat that they fear.  Because here is something that you won't appreciate, not being a white man.  And the Liberal White like this man will never admit. 

But many white men, including those who are Democrats are paranoid about 8 years under a black man, with a "Muslim" name, followed by 4 years by female, albeit a rich white woman.

When they scream "make America Great Again", they long for the days of overt white male dominance. 

So don't be shocked if there is a white male backlash.

Now if the Democratic base turns out in slightly lower numbers, and Trump gets his Angry White Men out to vote, he can pick up FL, OH, VA.  Add a surprise victory in MI, and WI (both states where Trump can recruit many disaffected xenophobes who hate Mexicans because of NAFTA.

So when this man explains why the Democrats lost the Senate, and it isn't automatic that they will win it back, then explain why a Hillary win is guaranteed.

Elections aren't won by demographics. They are won by people who actually vote.

If Hillary does badly in the debates (too wonky), Trump woos our stupid star ***ing media, the Bernie Bros become nuisances (you do know that they are now as violent as the Trump supporters), a Clinton scandal breaks out.  Then add Bernie running around like a lunatic screaming that "he was robbed". Bernie isn't a Democrat so doesn't give two hoots about the party.

That is how a 52% Hillary in swing states, becomes a 49.9%.

I will suggest that we wish Hillary well and don't start making predictions until after the debates begin.

FM

And in fact Kari there is a show called the Carmichaels on NBC. This week's episode was about Trump.  One of the characters was a Trump supporter. 

The xenophobic type of black person who populate much of the Midwest and the South, and who are convinced that immigrants are to blame for their problems............especially Mexicans.....and being God fearing Baptists, don't especially like Muslims either.....Get my drift.  They can buy the cool aid that a rich man knows how to create jobs.

Polls show that only 70% of blacks hate Trump, way lower than is traditional for a GOP candidate.  This suggests that 30% aren't bothered by him.  Not that they will vote for him, but they might simply not vote.

That black vote has been traditionally buoyed by that "old lady" vote, but those old ladies getting kind of old now.

So again if the Democrats don't deal with possible malaise among blacks, which they need for FL, NC, VA, OH, and even to a degree, PA........

Say this to say Kari. Put away the bubbly, at least until late September.  A small shift in who votes, and who doesn't determines who wins. Withstanding the underlying demographic trends.

Because if these demographic trends were the sole determining factor, we would control the Senate, and we would most likely have controlled the Supreme Court by now.

FM

In the last Senate elections there was a majority of seats that were held by Dems in States that were not strongly democratic. The GOP picked some ripe fruits. This election the situation is reversed - there are more GOP seats in play in States where they are vulnerable. It's the qualitative analysis behind the statistical numbers CARIBNY. Know the nuances of the Senate elections of this time around versus last time.

Kari
ba$eman posted:

It's all about the liberal media and leftist!  In 2008 Black hated the Clintons!  What difference did Obama make?  Bill's ruling has thousands of Black imprisoned for petty crimes!

What difference did Jagdeo make for most Indians in Guyana? Yet they love him.

In 2008 Obama was a symbol for a people who were the 5th group to arrive in the USA, behind Native Americans, Spanish, English and the Dutch.

Yet despite this fact black Americans have been spurned and excluded, and racist foreigners like you join in their demonization.  You justified police violence against unarmed blacks.

So 2008 was the year that blacks felt that they were being finally recognized as being an important group in this country, just as did Catholics in 1960.  And just as Jews, Hispanics, Asians, and South Asians will be when the first of their group is elected as president.

Just as women will be when Hillary Clinton takes the oath of office in January 2017, after your goon goes down in a flash of embarrassment as his crudity is exposed to all.

I wonder when your boy is going to boast that his genitals are bigger than Hillary's.

FM
Kari posted:

In the last Senate elections there was a majority of seats that were held by Dems in States that were not strongly democratic. The GOP picked some ripe fruits. This election the situation is reversed - there are more GOP seats in play in States where they are vulnerable. It's the qualitative analysis behind the statistical numbers CARIBNY. Know the nuances of the Senate elections of this time around versus last time.

 

Address the fact that the vast majority of governors in this country are GOP.  31 out of 50 governors are GOP. Explain that.

You cannot gerrymander this. In fact this has allowed the GOP to potentially have a permanent lock on the House.

Even the guy who you posted as evidence stated that a slight decline of 3% turn out by the Democratic base (or an increase of white men) can swing elections away from the Democrats.

Please show that you have a brain and cease being an ideologue.  You don't like the GOP.  That doesn't mean that you need to dismiss the real risks that they can win.

And here is the fact. The Democrats are campaigning in the Rust Belt, because of the risk that the Angry White Men phenomenon might expose them.

While it is unlikely that the left wing Sanders supporters will vote for Trump, it is quite likely that the non ideological white men, who hate the Clintons because of NAFTA, might switch to Trump out of the belief that his trade policies will bring jobs back. Now you, living in NYC with its vibrant economy, can argue against their thoughts, they really don't care what you think.

It is also likely that many Sanders supporters will stay home, and if they do there goes MI, WI, and a few others states where Hillary couldn't connect with the white working class vote.

I repeat. Hillary has an advantage, but it is NOT inevitable that she will win. Even today on NPR (a very liberal station) there has been discussions about what happens if the email scandal blows up into something which shows that she is unethical, even if not criminal? 

FM
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caribny posted:
ba$eman posted:

It's all about the liberal media and leftist!  In 2008 Black hated the Clintons!  What difference did Obama make?  Bill's ruling has thousands of Black imprisoned for petty crimes!

What difference did Jagdeo make for most Indians in Guyana? Yet they love him.

In 2008 Obama was a symbol for a people who were the 5th group to arrive in the USA, behind Native Americans, Spanish, English and the Dutch.

Yet despite this fact black Americans have been spurned and excluded, and racist foreigners like you join in their demonization.  You justified police violence against unarmed blacks.

So 2008 was the year that blacks felt that they were being finally recognized as being an important group in this country, just as did Catholics in 1960.  And just as Jews, Hispanics, Asians, and South Asians will be when the first of their group is elected as president.

Just as women will be when Hillary Clinton takes the oath of office in January 2017, after your goon goes down in a flash of embarrassment as his crudity is exposed to all.

I wonder when your boy is going to boast that his genitals are bigger than Hillary's.

BJ saved Indians from mass extinction perpetrated by PNC hacks!!

FM
ba$eman posted:
 

BJ saved Indians from mass extinction perpetrated by PNC hacks!!

Continue to wallow in your self pity.   There was significant crime against Indians under the PPP, and a growing % of this is committed by Indian criminals.  Now how many pirates (most being Indian) were captured under the PPP?  Then it was the Suriname authorities which were arresting them.

BJ set up a para militia, consisting mainly of blacks, whose main role was to protect the Indian oligarchy.  The ordinary Berbicians have been wailing for protection against criminals for a LOOOONG time!

FM
ba$eman posted:

There is no self pity.  From what i remember, is alyuh run goa cry to the US and people like Charles Rangal when licks was sharing!!

You mean when Jagdeo had his goons shooting blacks left and right, that we should have gone to him and thanked him.

Funny thing is I cannot see any evidence of state sponsored violence against Indians at this time.  There was definitely stated sponsored violence against blacks during the Jagdeo era.

FM
caribny posted:
Kari posted:

In the last Senate elections there was a majority of seats that were held by Dems in States that were not strongly democratic. The GOP picked some ripe fruits. This election the situation is reversed - there are more GOP seats in play in States where they are vulnerable. It's the qualitative analysis behind the statistical numbers CARIBNY. Know the nuances of the Senate elections of this time around versus last time.

 

Address the fact that the vast majority of governors in this country are GOP.  31 out of 50 governors are GOP. Explain that.

 

Again you have to look behind the numbers. In some of those States with GOP Governors see how many have Legislators that are Democrat controlled?


You can stop repeating State officials unlike local officials are not subject to Gerrymandering. Yeah, we all know night follows day. And you can stop calling me a GOP hater and demagogue. You obviously do not follow my postings and style of writing. Same thing you said about my adulation of Obama and Nagamootoo. Soon you will refer to me as an Indian KKK who wants an Indesh State in Guyana and I'm a Bollywood-monger and that I'm more lowly than those to whom you ascribe I aspire to.

When will you give up?!

Kari
Kari posted:
 

Again you have to look behind the numbers. In some of those States with GOP Governors see how many have Legislators that are Democrat controlled?

 

 

Know you aren't a brown KKK. You are just afraid of them so stay quiet, even though I don't think you share their racism.

If you continue to peddle half baked ideas and then argue as if you are in an RH rum shop I will just set you right.

Do you know why the House is gerrymandered?  Because many Democrats were gerrymandered out of their seats. Why?  Because over the past decade or so the GOP have been taking over the state legislatures and the governorships, and it is at that level that congressional boundaries are drawn.

So explain why in this demographic world that you talk about has the GOP been able to accomplish that.

What YOU need to do is to see how many state legislatures in red states were Democratic controlled 20 years ago, and how many are now.

NC, which has certainly benefitted from the demographics shifts that have been alluded to, is an example of a state where the GOP have become stronger at the state level.   In 2010 they won control of both houses at the state level, the first time in over 100 years.  In 2012 they elected their first GOP governor.

Note that this happened as the state has become more ethnically diverse, and it has a attracted large numbers of highly educated people to its tech and financial centers.

 

 

 

 

FM

And Kari, are you OK.  Too much stress in your life. When did I call you a GOP hater.  I hate them as much as you do, though unlike you I am practical and strategic. You are an ideologue.  

You put a link to an article which was meant to make your point.

It backfired on you when the guy said that there are risks, and proceeded to list some of the SAME ones that I did.

And yes you do fall in love with your candidates Obama, and Moses, almost as much as Bibi does with Jagdeo. At the end of the day these are all politicians who look out for their interests, and use people like you to get there.

FM
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caribny posted:
ba$eman posted:

There is no self pity.  From what i remember, is alyuh run goa cry to the US and people like Charles Rangal when licks was sharing!!

You mean when Jagdeo had his goons shooting blacks left and right, that we should have gone to him and thanked him.

Funny thing is I cannot see any evidence of state sponsored violence against Indians at this time.  There was definitely stated sponsored violence against blacks during the Jagdeo era.

There was never state sponsored anything.  Just a PNC extreme wing aiding and abetting the Buxton terrorists to use the cover of criminal gangs to go after the PPP constituency!  Then they turned on each other and the national security apparatus was drawn in to help quell the internal slaughter!

FM

CARIBNY teaching me about gerrymandering. Like he's been under a rock the past 3 election cycles when I was posting a lot about the nuances of the Electoral College votes, the Congressional district voting and the States (3 seat per statewide) voting. He has missed my comments on voter turnout, college-educated and non-college-educated; the shrinking white middle class and the rising Hispanic bloc, including the traditionally Cuban Republicans in Florida. Teach on CARIBNY....you looking very professorial and knowledgeable.

Kari
Kari posted:

CARIBNY teaching me about gerrymandering. Like he's been under a rock the past 3 election cycles when I was posting a lot about the nuances of the Electoral College votes, the Congressional district voting and the States (3 seat per statewide) voting. He has missed my comments on voter turnout, college-educated and non-college-educated; the shrinking white middle class and the rising Hispanic bloc, including the traditionally Cuban Republicans in Florida. Teach on CARIBNY....you looking very professorial and knowledgeable.

Alyuh two like batty and po on a flywheel!

FM

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