Vote recount order collides with election law- Caribbean Court judge, ANUG lawyer

The only invalid votes are the unstamped and "spoiled".

“Now if you give a different meaning to the word “valid” in the constitution in Article 177(2), then you would change the Representation of the People Act in the same swoop because, as I understand the Chief Elections Officer changed, came up with a very different tabulation  which is not in accordance with the Representation of the People Act,” said Justice  Wit.

Justice Wit cautions against the Guyana Court of Appeal decision. “So, once you change the meaning of a word , then I think we all agree that it should be valid votes but once you change that meaning then it has repercussions on other legislation and it would seem to me that that would not be within the jurisdiction of the Court of Appeal and it will be very dangerous if that could  be done in this way; seems to me,” he said.

PNC cork duck.

Lolofiled illegal declaration cork dead.

@Former Member posted:

The only invalid votes are the unstamped and "spoiled".

How about ballot box stuffing ?

@Django posted:

How about ballot box stuffing ?

Yeah, mercury was inside the steel container stuffing the boxes. 

The polling station: not a single Gecom staff, observers, polling agents from APNU and the smaller parties can provide a single evidence of stuff boxes. So it had to be in the steel container that APNU put their locks on. 

We very very smart. 

@Django

Please educate the members and guests on this forum how you can stuff ballot boxes in current electoral system.

Long Live Democracy.

@BGMAN posted:

@Django

Please educate the members and guests on this forum how you can stuff ballot boxes in current electoral system.

Long Live Democracy.

That's easy in Guyana , think out side the box.

@Django posted:

That's easy in Guyana , think out side the box.

Oh Rass, this response reminds me of APNU lawyers as they answer question to CCJ judges... no wonder Saunders take a break immediately after Basil presentation... 

Anyhow, you wasn’t thinking outside the box before the election and when Mingo declare APNU win on both occasions  ... I thought so. 

Why the person have to use a middle man to post on the forum ?

Can't make up their mind instantly after few minutes there are additions to post.

@Django posted:

Why the person have to use a middle man to post on the forum ?

Can't make up their mind instantly after few minutes there are additions to post.

I make the addition, the system allows me to. how foolish are you. Grow up big man and act as a responsible adult... your own words. 

It’s your forum, you are insulting members who uses the features you as the owner provide. Oh, I forget... this form was already developed for you ... you may not know its available. 

But then again, YOU Django edit your own response. Unless someone was posting for you. But what the heck, who cares. 

@Former Member posted:

It’s your forum, you are insulting members who uses the features you as the owner provide. Oh, I forget... this form was already developed for you ... you may not know its available. 

But then again, YOU Django edit your own response. Unless someone was posting for you. But what the heck, who cares. 

That's your response ,to my post .Looks like the cap fits.

@Django posted:

Why the person have to use a middle man to post on the forum ?

Can't make up their mind instantly after few minutes there are additions to post.

@Former Member posted:

It’s your forum, you are insulting members who uses the features you as the owner provide.

Oh, I forget... this form was already developed for you ... you may not know its available. 

But then again, YOU Django edit your own response. Unless someone was posting for you. But what the heck, who cares.

That's your response ,to my post .Looks like the cap fits.

The second sentence tells the mindset ,sounds like bitterness.

@Django posted:

That's your response ,to my post .Looks like the cap fits.

The second sentence tells the mindset ,sounds like bitterness.

You en make sense big man. 

@Former Member posted:

I make the addition, the system allows me to. how foolish are you. Grow up big man and act as a responsible adult... your own words.

@Django posted:

That's your response ,to my post .Looks like the cap fits.

The second sentence tells the mindset ,sounds like bitterness.

@Former Member posted:

You en make sense big man. 

Yep I know !!

@Django posted:

Yep I know !!

You reminds me of Lampy and Pampy. Tek it easy big man. 

@Django posted:

That's easy in Guyana , think out side the box.

You have not fulfilled my request. The only outside of the box I can think of is what both Mingo and Lowenfield were trying to do, add or subtract numbers. Since you know how to stuff ballot boxes, again, please share this information.

Long Live Democracy.

@Former Member posted:

You reminds me of Lampy and Pampy. Tek it easy big man. 

I know them bhais ,in your mindset have no brains ,is it something to do with  the outer feature of wood ants nest ?

@BGMAN posted:

You have not fulfilled my request. The only outside of the box I can think of is what both Mingo and Lowenfield were trying to do, add or subtract numbers. Since you know how to stuff ballot boxes, again, please share this information.

Long Live Democracy.

No matter what explanation given ,it will never be believed that it can be done ,only one Political Party in Guyana are branded the masters in the art of voting manipulation. Bhai , BGMAN ,there are ordained righteous  and ordained wrongdoers.

@Django posted:

Why the person have to use a middle man to post on the forum ?

Can't make up their mind instantly after few minutes there are additions to post.

Django, why would you make such an allegation about a poster, when you would not want other to accuse you of doing. If you have the proof, show it. But don't be Willie, Nellie with your words.

@kp posted:

Django, why would you make such an allegation about a poster, when you would not want other to accuse you of doing. If you have the proof, show it. But don't be Willie, Nellie with your words.

 

Noticeably always comes to defend ,it's factual just read the post.

If, as the caption suggests ,"vote recount order collides with election law" does it mean the recount was unlawful.  Wasn't it James Bond who said that and people accused him of trying to stop the recount?  Now that supposedly Ramkarran and a CCJ judge are saying the same thing it is earth shattering wizardry. 

It is a travesty of natural justice to write off the votes of 15,844 innocent citizens with the stroke of a pen or deliberate omission as Lowenfield has done.

I can imagine how those 15,844 folks are feeling to know that after making time and taking effort on March 2 to present themselves at their respective polling stations and casting their ballots with very high hopes, everything has been discarded and counted for ZERO by Lowenfield.

Massive injustice that will not succeed ultimately.

@Former Member posted:

It is a travesty of natural justice to write off the votes of 15,844 innocent citizens with the stroke of a pen or deliberate omission as Lowenfield has done.

I can imagine how those 15,844 folks are feeling to know that after making time and taking effort on March 2 to present themselves at their respective polling stations and casting their ballots with very high hopes, everything has been discarded and counted for ZERO by Lowenfield.

Massive injustice that will not succeed ultimately.

Gill, I think you meant 115,000 VOTES.

@Django posted:

No matter what explanation given ,it will never be believed that it can be done ,only one Political Party in Guyana are branded the masters in the art of voting manipulation. Bhai , BGMAN ,there are ordained righteous  and ordained wrongdoers.

The only party I can think of is the PNC. From 1968 to 1985 , they took out the opposition ballots and stuffed the boxes with PNC votes. There is still an outstanding election petition for the 2015 election. Come 2020, the PNC is attempting to rig again. The PNC has never won an election on its own. I am still hoping that you will give an explanation.

Long Live Democracy.

@kp posted:

Gill, I think you meant 115,000 VOTES.

Thanks for the observation. You're correct.

@Former Member posted:

It is a travesty of natural justice to write off the votes of 15,844 innocent citizens with the stroke of a pen or deliberate omission as Lowenfield has done.

I can imagine how those 15,844 folks are feeling to know that after making time and taking effort on March 2 to present themselves at their respective polling stations and casting their ballots with very high hopes, everything has been discarded and counted for ZERO by Lowenfield.

Massive injustice that will not succeed ultimately.

Correction: I mean 115,844 voters. 

@BGMAN posted:

The only party I can think of is the PNC. From 1968 to 1985 , they took out the opposition ballots and stuffed the boxes with PNC votes. There is still an outstanding election petition for the 2015 election. Come 2020, the PNC is attempting to rig again.

The PNC has never won an election on its own.

I am still hoping that you will give an explanation.

Long Live Democracy.

Actually before elections the numbers was fixed for Elections between 1968 and 1985 , no need to stuff ballot boxes.

Everyone knows the PNC can't win elections without coalition with other Political parties.

If you have the time ,check on GECOM website for Election Day Manual ,then view the reports of the live video recount tabulation ,you will get an idea how irregularities can be done. I have 2011 and 2015 Elections Results for each polling station through out the country ,they are PDF files which i converted to spreadsheet, it gives an idea of voting patterns. If you are interested i can PM the files.

@Django posted:

How about ballot box stuffing ?

Who stuffed the ballot boxes.  They were in the hands of the PNC agents.  

@Django posted:

Actually before elections the numbers was fixed for Elections between 1968 and 1985 , no need to stuff ballot boxes.

Everyone knows the PNC can't win elections without coalition with other Political parties.

If you have the time ,check on GECOM website for Election Day Manual ,then view the reports of the live video recount tabulation ,you will get an idea how irregularities can be done. I have 2011 and 2015 Elections Results for each polling station through out the country ,they are PDF files which i converted to spreadsheet, it gives an idea of voting patterns. If you are interested i can PM the files.

If you are referring to the observation reports, which I viewed some on livestream, dead people and migrants voting were allegations. The CARICOM report called them a fishing expedition. The missing documents are the sole responsibility of the Secretariat, not the voters.

The 2011 and 2015 election results for each polling station cannot give anyone an idea of voting patterns. In many countries throughout the world there is a subset of voters called swing voters. They change their party support based on many factors, for example, current economic conditions, party platforms, governing party performance, etc.. Statistically speaking, two election cycles cannot give anyone an idea of voting patterns. The ethnic make up of Guyana has changed over the years. Most of the swing voters most probably come from the Amerindians and Mixed Race groups.

Guyana is at a point whereby you will  see changes in the governing party because the people’s needs are changing and they are more demanding of their government. Political Parties will have to work very hard to maintain their bases.

Long Live Democracy.

@Django posted:

That's easy in Guyana , think out side the box.

I thought the Russian baccoos planted intel computer chips made out of wood in the boxes? Somebody was thinking outside the box to put these chips there.

@BGMAN posted:

If you are referring to the observation reports, which I viewed some on livestream, dead people and migrants voting were allegations.

The CARICOM report called them a fishing expedition. The missing documents are the sole responsibility of the Secretariat, not the voters.

The 2011 and 2015 election results for each polling station cannot give anyone an idea of voting patterns. In many countries throughout the world there is a subset of voters called swing voters.

They change their party support based on many factors, for example, current economic conditions, party platforms, governing party performance, etc.. Statistically speaking, two election cycles cannot give anyone an idea of voting patterns. The ethnic make up of Guyana has changed over the years. Most of the swing voters most probably come from the Amerindians and Mixed Race groups.

Guyana is at a point whereby you will  see changes in the governing party because the people’s needs are changing and they are more demanding of their government. Political Parties will have to work very hard to maintain their bases.

Long Live Democracy.

On the live streams that's the only claims seen ? Guyana's voting pattern are race based by the two major ethnic group ,nothing can change that in a short span of time. There is no doubt about swing voters ,Amerindians and Mixed .I don't think your last two paragraph is applicable to Guyana .

Also the only data available in detail is 2011 and 2015 ,it's information one can use for voting patterns ,along with the demographics across the country .What's noticeable your arguments are dependent on others views ,instead of your own analysis.

@Former Member posted:

I thought the Russian baccoos planted intel computer chips made out of wood in the boxes? Somebody was thinking outside the box to put these chips there.

Banna, you are what's called classy ,so won't say anything further.

@Django posted:

On the live streams that's the only claims seen ? Guyana's voting pattern are race based by the two major ethnic group ,nothing can change that in a short span of time. There is no doubt about swing voters ,Amerindians and Mixed .I don't think your last two paragraph is applicable to Guyana .

Also the only data available in detail is 2011 and 2015 ,it's information one can use for voting patterns ,along with the demographics across the country .What's noticeable your arguments are dependent on others views ,instead of your own analysis.

I would agree with you that voting in Guyana is still race based. However, no single ethnic group can win an election on its own. My last two paragraphs are very applicable to Guyana. Are you saying most of the Guyanese electorate are blind followers ? The young voters are very educated. You cannot promise them the good life and do not deliver.

Also, you state in your last paragraph that my arguments are dependent on other views. You are completely wrong. My arguments are based on facts. The local and foreign observers’s reports tells us a lot. These are the same groups that observed the 2011 and 2015/elections. As I said before, 2011 and 2015 samples are not statistically valid. The sample size is too small. Two points on a graph will always give you a straight line. The whole world cannot be wrong and only the PNC is correct. 

Long Live Democracy.

@BGMAN posted:

I would agree with you that voting in Guyana is still race based. However, no single ethnic group can win an election on its own. My last two paragraphs are very applicable to Guyana.

Are you saying most of the Guyanese electorate are blind followers ? The young voters are very educated.

You cannot promise them the good life and do not deliver.

Also, you state in your last paragraph that my arguments are dependent on other views. You are completely wrong. My arguments are based on facts. The local and foreign observers’s reports tells us a lot.

These are the same groups that observed the 2011 and 2015/elections. As I said before, 2011 and 2015 samples are not statistically valid. The sample size is too small. Two points on a graph will always give you a straight line. The whole world cannot be wrong and only the PNC is correct. 

Long Live Democracy.

Above is the Caricom recount observation ,does this look fair and credible ,well they said "some what credible"

Regarding the electorate,almost they are ,concerning  young educated ,have you check the stats of  the percentages and level of education ? you should take a look ,info at the Bureau of Statics . By the way I am not taking sides ,just sharing my views. What i can tell there is power struggle to govern Guyana ,who have the right to rule , who undermines who ,at the end ,there will be no fair game.

@BGMAN: "As I said before, 2011 and 2015 samples are not statistically valid. The sample size is too small. Two points on a graph will always give you a straight line. The whole world cannot be wrong and only the PNC is correct. " 

 How could 2011 and 2015 not be statistically valid ?  Why is the sample size too small?  Django is talking about the entire elections results .  That's the population on which voting patterns could be discerned.  

@Totaram posted:

@BGMAN: "As I said before, 2011 and 2015 samples are not statistically valid. The sample size is too small. Two points on a graph will always give you a straight line. The whole world cannot be wrong and only the PNC is correct. " 

 How could 2011 and 2015 not be statistically valid ?  Why is the sample size too small?  Django is talking about the entire elections results .  That's the population on which voting patterns could be discerned.  

If you can't write proper English, then you shouldn't be writing at all.

@Ramakant-P posted:

If you can't write proper English, then you shouldn't be writing at all.

Was ENGLISH the only subject you passed at School Leaving? Obviously ,you were a Pupil Teacher.

@kp posted:

Was ENGLISH the only subject you passed at School Leaving? Obviously ,you were a Pupil Teacher.

You had to pass more than English at School leaving. Remember Arithmetic and Dictation.

@Ramakant-P posted:

If you can't write proper English, then you shouldn't be writing at all.

Poor Ramakant....statistical terms have him running for cover.  Rama, look up the difference between a sample and a population.