You see what you want to see it is the tint in the lens and the warp in the lens.........u dig?
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Originally Posted by Stormborn:
You are as daft as that fellow Caribj.
The PPP lost by only 5,000 votes. Do the math and you will see, so don't take that fact for granted.
Stormy quit your histrionics and accept the fact that if most of the votes which the PPP and the PNC get are based on race, obviously there are more Indian voters than there are black/mixed voters.
The 40% Indian vote that you peddle is nonsense and I sincerely hope that APNU/AFC don't believe this as this will cause them to not devote the amount of attention to this bloc that they will need to.
This time;
1. Indians need to be wooed, by allaying their concerns about the PNC and informing them that Nagamootoo will not be the do nothing PM that Sam Hinds is, so will be more effective at ensuring that the interests of Indians is included, whereas Sam Hinds is unable/unwilling to do this for Africans.
2. Africans/mixed who aren't registered need to be, and the population needs to be informed that this is the best chance to defeat the PPP, but this will only happen if they vote.
3. Amerindians need to be told that they will be treated like adults with all the rights, privileges and obligations that other Guyanese have. Interior turn out is very low, so there should be new votes to pick up, in addition to some old UF votes that drifted to the PPP.
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Originally Posted by HM_Redux:
You see what you want to see it is the tint in the lens and the warp in the lens.........u dig?
OK I see that we will have to leave you behind. Cannot help you if you, Mitwah and Jalil behave like the AFC version of Nehru.
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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:
You see what you want to see it is the tint in the lens and the warp in the lens.........u dig?
OK I see that we will have to leave you behind. Cannot help you if you, Mitwah and Jalil behave like the AFC version of Nehru.
hehehhehee ok if you seh suh.....
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Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Ksazma, if that looks strange to you, I have known "stranger" things in my long association with active politics and my extensive reading of international affairs.
I don't find it strange at all Gilly. I do find it amusing. That is why I think there is a fine line between diplomacy and hypocrisy. 
Bai, truth be told, diplomacy is hypocrisy, plain and simple.
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Mars:
The Indian voting population might not be 40%. None of us know for sure right now but to make up numbers like 47%-50% like you're doing just to boost your argument is simply you dreaming up numbers in your head.
Suck on this.
1. the coalition is done and cannot be undone. Some of us have reservations about it, but we have two choices. Either accept it or accept the PPP. So those of us who are anti PPP must work with it.
I have already offered my opinions as to how it might work, and I note that David Hinds, whose influence exceeds that of ANY one on this forum, has said just about the same things. Like me he has his concerns, but like me he feels that anti PPP forces will have to work with what is there, and that is the APNU/AFC coalition.
So why are you still screaming that I must have another strategy? The folks in Guyana have done what they wish, and there is NOTHING that you and I can do with it. Its a new day, Get on with it.
2. The demographics haven't shifted that much in 3 years. Regardless as to how many Indian votes exist, the PPP only lost the majority by 5k. Given that they have vast resources at their disposal it isn't that hard for them to get that by playing to racial panic (ensuring that the anti Indian violence of 1997 and 2001 is replayed), by vote buying, and by voter suppression. These guys are desperate and will stop at nothing to win.
So you can rant about who didn't like what alliance and then turn them into your enemy, or you can recognize that the APNU/AFC alliances lacks the resources that the PPP has, and so needs to do its utmost to mobilize all anti PPP people out to get registered, and out to vote.
Now unless you tell me that you will go down to Guyana to campaign, you will help raise the millions of dollars that they will need, or that you will go down to vote, you, caribj,Stormy, Shaitaan and the rest of us are IRRELEVANT.
So quit screaming your nonsense to some one, who like you, hates the PPP!
Dude, what a bunch of lying crapola you're coming to me with now. You stated that you were against the coalition and your strategy was for the AFC and APNU to go into the elections as separate parties. I am not screaming that you should have another strategy. That strategy came from your own lying mouth which is now trying to twist in another direction. You came up with this brilliant plan that the AFC should work on siphoning off more Indian votes from the PPP and that is a better strategy to bring down the PPP. Even if by some miracle, the AFC were somehow capable of reducing the PPP vote by another 4%, that would bring them down to 45%. The PPP votes would go to the AFC, not the PNC so the most the PNC are going to do is stay at 40% and no more than 43%. So how in heaven's name would the PPP lose? Contesting the elections as separate parties is a surrender to the PPP and is for cowards like you who can never take a stand. What would be the purpose of the No Confidence vote then? It would be a farce and a major waste of time.
So suddenly you read Dr. Hinds' commentary and you're now twisting your mouth to say that it's in line with your thinking. Stop the lying. You're a big man. You were totally against the coalition, whereas Dr. Hinds is supportive of the merger even though he has reservations about a winning outcome. I've said it several times that I know that there is no guarantee that the coalition will win but a Granger led coalition gives the opposition the best chance of kicking the PPP out. You obviously want the status quo to remain since nothing ventured is nothing gained.
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Mars:
Anyone with a bit of common sense will see that it is lot easier to hold onto the 13% PPP Indian protest win.
Most of these people voted for Nagamootoo a PPP man, as they shared his view about how degraded the PPP had become under Jagdeo. Many of them are hard core Jaganites and the notion of them voting for the PNC is like asking you to vote for the KKK.
So you cannot assume that you have this votes. Nagamootoo collected abut 10k of these in regions 5 and 6. If the voter turn out and composition is like it was in 2011 all the PPP needs to is panic 50% of them with TV scenes of Indians getting beaten up in G/town in 1997 and in 2001. Well within the memory of most voters.
I will suggest to you that the APNU/AFC cannot wait to see if these PPP Nagamootoo voters will give him another chance. They need to woo them obviously, as they need to woo EVERY SINGLE voter or non voter of voting age in Guyana.
They CANNOT take any voter for granted. Not Indian, not African, not mixed, not Amerindian, not urban, coastal or interior dweller!
Don't chop my sentence in half and make up arguments against half of what is said. You've in effect twisted the entire meaning and context of what I said.
Here's the entire sentence and the paragraph framing it -
Anyone with a bit of common sense will see that it is lot easier to hold onto the 13% PPP Indian protest votes (who have already voted against the PPP) than to have 87% of blacks vote for an Indian president in Nagamootoo. If you think that the only choices blacks have would be to vote for a Moses led APNU or the rotten PPP, you're dead wrong. They will stay home. See Dr. Hinds' commentary which basically says the same thing - "The APNU, on the other hand, got the top leadership spot, which some of us felt is critical for mobilizing a large turn out to the polls by the African Guyanese electorate."
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:
You see what you want to see it is the tint in the lens and the warp in the lens.........u dig?
OK I see that we will have to leave you behind. Cannot help you if you, Mitwah and Jalil behave like the AFC version of Nehru.
One thing for sure, I don't have blood on my hands. And I am not an ideological racist like you. Nehru is a good human being.
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Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:
You see what you want to see it is the tint in the lens and the warp in the lens.........u dig?
OK I see that we will have to leave you behind. Cannot help you if you, Mitwah and Jalil behave like the AFC version of Nehru.
One thing for sure, I don't have blood on my hands. And I am not an ideological racist like you. Nehru is a good human being.
Since when Nehru is a good human being?
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Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
An alliance with the PNC does not mean that the people will follow their former party. When they vote on May 11th, It will be the PNC they are voting for.
True Rama but since OH PRIYA PRIYA cuss down the US Ambassador, is all man jack who is an East indian getting a visa.
People living in Richmond Hill do not vote.
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The PPP Jagdeoite crooks going down, down, down.
Guyana will rise again, and we would be a proud people in Caricom, not beggars for crumbs that fall from the tables of tiny islands with no resources to match ours.
These rogues have no shame for making us mendicants.
For Peace, Progress and prosperity, Vote PPP.
Donot waste you vote on the AFC alliance.
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Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
For Peace, Progress and prosperity, Vote PPP.
Donot waste you vote on the AFC alliance.
okay anything you say
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