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Afro-Guyanese deserve 15,000 square miles of territory as partial compensation for enslavement; law being drafted for African land rights

 

Chairman of the Guyana Reparations Committee, Eric Phillips and Retired Rear Admiral, Gary Best.

The Guyana Reparations Committee is drafting legislation to allow Afro-Guyanese to secure a percentage of Guyana’s territory as compensation for slavery in the same way that Amerindians have been legally guaranteed land rights, a move Retired Rear Admiral Gary Best supports.

“I believe that unless the State acknowledges its responsibility, we’ll only be looking towards the external reparations which is financial reparations but within the country itself, I think Guyana owes its own people to allocate a portion of land both onshore and offshore reparatory justice to the people of Guyana,” Best said.

The issue was discussed at the University of Guyana’s 6th Conversation on Law and Society that was held on Monday  under the theme “The Challenges of and to Reparations for People of African Decent in the 21st Century.”

Best, an Attorney-at-Law, is drafting legislation for the Committee which is part of a Caribbean Community (Caricom) Reparations Commission that continues to lobby Britain to compensate countries in the region for slavery.

The former Guyana Defence Force (GDF) Chief-of-Staff argued that the State of Guyana has a duty to grant some form of reparation to descendants of African slaves by setting aside 18 percent or 15,000 square miles of Guyana’s territory.

“As a successor State, we owe a responsibility to correct those historical wrongs so I believe the Government of Guyana, more particularly the State of Guyana, owe the people of Guyana land as compensation for reparatory justice,” Best said, adding that his recommendation was linked to recommendations by the 1948 Commission of Inquiry into the social conditions of then British Guiana by British Professor Dr. J. A. Venn.

A section of the attendees at the University of Guyana’s 6th Conversation on Law and Society that was held on Monday  under the theme “The Challenges of and to Reparations for People of African Decent in the 21st Century.”

He argued that the State of Guyana has a duty to provide partial reparations as partial restorative justice based on three specific occasions: Africans were kidnapped and illegally transported to this part of the world from their lands, they indigenised the lands for more than 200 years but they were not handed to them, and only Amerindians received reparatory  justice at the time of Guyana’s independence in 1966 through the provision of lands to Amerindians, and when Guyana became a republic in 1970 no lands were again provided to African descendants.

“I do believe that the State owes a responsibility to the people of this country because it was always the State that committed the crime and prior to the Guyana State it was the British State and it was the British State that committed those heinous crimes,” he said. Best bolstered his argument by saying that enslaved Africans had humanised the coastline, created the nation state, developed the modern state and provided safe haven for all other ethnic groups to come to Guyana.  He said unless the State acknowledges its responsibility, Guyana would be merely seeking financial compensation from Britain.

Chairman of the Guyana Reparations Committee, Dr. Eric Phillips added that the land claim is documented in a book titled “Guyana Reparations Story”. Phillips announced that Rear Admiral Best was drafting an Ancestral Rights Bill.

Best told Demerara Waves Online News  on Wednesday that he expects the draft to be completed by year-end after which it would be presented to government and eventually the National Assembly for bipartisan consideration. “It is aimed at reducing inequalities and part of the healing process,” he said.

He restated that the committee would lay its claim before the President of Guyana, Cabinet and Parliament. He said Guyana’s Amerindian Act is the first reparatory justice Act in the Caribbean because it provides the nine Amerindian tribes 13.8 percent of  Guyana’s territory. “That’s what it is regardless of what you call it or don’t want to call it and the reason why Africans in Guyana have a claim to reparatory justice in Guyana is because three of those nine tribes came to Guyana a hundred to two hundred years after captive Africans were brought here so if they were given reparations, why shouldn’t we,” he said.

At the same time, Phillips said among the hurdles to reparations are questions about the legality of demands, disunity, calls for forgiveness by the church and the media,  huge unrealistic financial demands and views by other ethnic groups that Africans do not deserve reparations although 473,000 lives were lost in building Guyana.

“Justice is justice but it seems to be an issue whenever people of African descent seek justice. Oh Africans want affirmative action, never mind that those who are complaining that we want affirmative action have received affirmative action on the backs  and deaths of blood and tears of Africans who built Guyana,” said Phillips who is an executive member of the African Cultural and Development Association.

The Caribbean’s demand of 7.5 trillion pounds sterling, he said, was not too large to be paid because Britain and other European countries could pay the region 1 percent of their Gross Domestic Product  each year for 400 years. “It will never be too large to pay”, he said.

Phillips said there was need for public education and awareness to hammer home the point that reparatory justice is necessary and just. Saying that an expression of regret by European countries was insufficient.

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If any land is given it should come with conditions, maybe  it’s use should be for farming and it should be monitored.

However, what about the other ethnic groups? The Indians can argue that they deserve land due to Indenturship.  The other races can also have valid arguments.  This sounds like opening a can of worms.

alena06

Guyana has land for everyone. 

If anyone should get reparations from the government it is the Amerindians.

Blacks should seek reparations from the Europeans, not the Guyana government. 

This is indeed opening a can of worms. 

V

This is such fallacious crock. I read this again and cant figure how they came up with 18% or 15000 sq miles of land. 

Phillips is basing this on the Venn Commission Report and a book on reparations he supposedly wrote?

Guyana and CARICOM needs to take this case to Europe and seek reparatory justice from dem people, not demand from the Guyanese State to legitimize any form of forceful land grabbing.

Guyana's patrimony belongs to ALL Guyanese.

 

V

I agree. If you study African history, they have been shortchanged all their lives. (Ray, I under that the British enslaved them, but they went to Guyana, not England). Give them their entitlement. God's earth is plentiful for Coolie and Black. My fellow coolies who disagree, please don't be covetous on this one, too. 

FM
cain posted:

I feel like I should get in line fi lil bit reparation, Iman could put dah land to some good good use yeh.

Just imagine all that tropical weather and watching your erbs flourish. Good quality erbs man!

FM
Prince posted:

I agree. If you study African history, they have been shortchanged all their lives. (Ray, I under that the British enslaved them, but they went to Guyana, not England). Give them their entitlement. God's earth is plentiful for Coolie and Black. My fellow coolies who disagree, please don't be covetous on this one, too. 

Can you enlighten us who shortchanged the Africans? If you are talking about Africans, why not let them go back to Africa and ask the chiefs who sold them into slavery for compensation? 

 

FM
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skeldon_man posted:
cain posted:

I feel like I should get in line fi lil bit reparation, Iman could put dah land to some good good use yeh.

Just imagine all that tropical weather and watching your erbs flourish. Good quality erbs man!

I should hook up with our former police chief Fantino who is now in the 'erb business to get some pointers. Imagine the banna bustin people and now runs a business doin the same thing.

cain
cain posted:
skeldon_man posted:
cain posted:

I feel like I should get in line fi lil bit reparation, Iman could put dah land to some good good use yeh.

Just imagine all that tropical weather and watching your erbs flourish. Good quality erbs man!

I should hook up with our former police chief Fantino who is now in the 'erb business to get some pointers. Imagine the banna bustin people and now runs a business doin the same thing.

He's laughin' all the way to the bank. You can say that the man was always in the erb business. You are too straight, he would not want to do business with you. He wants people like Princess Pusswah dem.

FM
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Africans sold Africans. Those sold, were enslaved to the African overlords as captives-perhaps inferior in comparison to their captors in the art of war.

Suh, why dey want the Amerindian lands. Shouldn't they be going after African governments?

They bought old plantations at the period of emancipation and after so many decades they have not utilized it fully. 

S
skeldon_man posted:
Prince posted:

I agree. If you study African history, they have been shortchanged all their lives. (Ray, I under that the British enslaved them, but they went to Guyana, not England). Give them their entitlement. God's earth is plentiful for Coolie and Black. My fellow coolies who disagree, please don't be covetous on this one, too. 

Can you enlighten us who shortchanged the Africans? If you are talking about Africans, why not let them go back to Africa and ask the chiefs who sold them into slavery for compensation? 

 

What more enlightenment do you need when the PPP marginalized them? What more do you need when Yuji said they can't run a cake shop? What more do you need to know when you see black people excelling in Guyana in the field of agriculture, serving their country in the arm forces when coolie think Blackman wants to slave them in the jungle? They are Guyanese and earned every right as Guyanese. Blackman should kick out coolie from Guyana for their stupidity. You nah shame? Them ah rule you and you still want to send them back to Africa? Coolie people are neemakaram crabdaags. You know that?

FM
Prince posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Prince posted:

I agree. If you study African history, they have been shortchanged all their lives. (Ray, I under that the British enslaved them, but they went to Guyana, not England). Give them their entitlement. God's earth is plentiful for Coolie and Black. My fellow coolies who disagree, please don't be covetous on this one, too. 

Can you enlighten us who shortchanged the Africans? If you are talking about Africans, why not let them go back to Africa and ask the chiefs who sold them into slavery for compensation? 

 

What more enlightenment do you need when the PPP marginalized them? What more do you need when Yuji said they can't run a cake shop? What more do you need to know when you see black people excelling in Guyana in the field of agriculture, serving their country in the arm forces when coolie think Blackman wants to slave them in the jungle? They are Guyanese and earned every right as Guyanese. Blackman should kick out coolie from Guyana for their stupidity. You nah shame? Them ah rule you and you still want to send them back to Africa? Coolie people are neemakaram crabdaags. You know that?

U know this post is just a load of shit. You're fooling anybody. U racist pig!

Sheik101

My fellow coolies who disagree, please don't be covetous on this one, too. 

Prince you are not a coolie, who you're fooling. You are as racist as a racist can be, peddling articles about race bait everyday.

K

Hey hey hey...Mr Guana how much acre yuh getting? Yuh sellin yuh share? Hey hey hey...Mr Ronan will never sell he share. White mout foh dem pool coolie peopkle. Hey hey hey...

FM
Mitwah posted:

How did they come up with 18%  entitlement?

Hey hey hey...Bharrat treat de man nice nice. De man get a big land and house pon de Pradoville 2. I tell dem coolie bais fram de PPP dont believe Mr Ogunseyee, Mr Best and dem doh up for sale. Ah waiting foh see we House of Israel bai Lumumba turn PNC foh get more land dan what Bharrat ge he...hey hey hey...

FM
alena06 posted:

If any land is given it should come with conditions, maybe  it’s use should be for farming and it should be monitored.

However, what about the other ethnic groups? The Indians can argue that they deserve land due to Indenturship.  The other races can also have valid arguments.  This sounds like opening a can of worms.

Exactly. What about the other races? Why is it that Afro Guyanese are being singled out? What differs them from the other indentured immigrants (Indians, Chinese, Portuguese etc. ) who worked and sacrificed and saved to own what they own now? I spoke about this sense of entitlement a short while ago and here we go. It's a crock of shit. Work for you want.

GTAngler
Prince posted:

I agree. If you study African history, they have been shortchanged all their lives. (Ray, I under that the British enslaved them, but they went to Guyana, not England). Give them their entitlement. God's earth is plentiful for Coolie and Black. My fellow coolies who disagree, please don't be covetous on this one, too. 

BANNA, shut yuh ignorant ass. Guyana belongs to all Guyanese. Anyone who disagrees and wants a piece because they believe they are owed anything should go the f**k to wherever they came from.

GTAngler
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GTAngler posted:
Prince posted:

I agree. If you study African history, they have been shortchanged all their lives. (Ray, I under that the British enslaved them, but they went to Guyana, not England). Give them their entitlement. God's earth is plentiful for Coolie and Black. My fellow coolies who disagree, please don't be covetous on this one, too. 

BANNA, shut yuh ignorant ass. Guyana belongs to all Guyanese. Anyone who disagrees and wants a piece because they believe they are owed anything should go the f**k to wherever they came from.

Well some born in Guyana,i will like to add the fellas who are pushing for land for reparations should fade away.

Hopefully i don't degrade Yugi thread.

Django
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Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...Mr Guana how much acre yuh getting? Yuh sellin yuh share? Hey hey hey...Mr Ronan will never sell he share. White mout foh dem pool coolie peopkle. Hey hey hey...

Gwana man getting nothing and want nothing. I state emphatically - Guyana as it is today belongs to all Guyanese, never to be partitioned.

To the Indian racists who post here - Nehru, Prashad, Skeldon Man, Vish Mahabir, Yugli, Drugb, Seignet, KP, Dave, et al I say this:

As long as you continue to deny that Guyana also belongs to black people, and to paint black people as lazy good for nothings who contributed NOTHING to Guyana, actively discriminate against them in every sector, then you will empower these movements who seek their own land within Guyana for their ethnicity.

YOU are the ones who will spur and legitimize these movements by your racist behavior! You all racist Indians will create another Burnham and you're going to reap what you sow!

FM
Django posted:
GTAngler posted:
Prince posted:

I agree. If you study African history, they have been shortchanged all their lives. (Ray, I under that the British enslaved them, but they went to Guyana, not England). Give them their entitlement. God's earth is plentiful for Coolie and Black. My fellow coolies who disagree, please don't be covetous on this one, too. 

BANNA, shut yuh ignorant ass. Guyana belongs to all Guyanese. Anyone who disagrees and wants a piece because they believe they are owed anything should go the f**k to wherever they came from.

Well some born in Guyana,i will like to add the fellas who are pushing for land for reparations should fade away.

Hopefully i don't degrade Yugi thread.

Exactly so what reparations are they looking for? What does it say for you if after 150 odd years you haven't improved yourself and are looking for handouts AND why was this not addressed when the PNC/Burnham was in power? I'll tell you what the game is. The oil money will be coming in eventually. So the government is supposed to give out land and build homes and provide free utilities for a select few. This is racism and laziness at it's best.

GTAngler
alena06 posted:

I? The Indians can argue that they deserve land due to Indenturship.  The other races can also have valid arguments.  This sounds like opening a can of worms.

The contract made provision for lands. Whether they actually received can be debated. 

When slavery ended the slave masters were compensated and the entire socio economic system of 19th C colonial Guyana (and the rest of the British West Indies) was to punish the freed people for being bold enough to demand improved living conditions.

Please don't compare indentureship and slavery.  Argue on the basis of the fact that it is water under the bridge and chatter about reparations at this point is futile.

FM
caribny posted:
alena06 posted:

I? The Indians can argue that they deserve land due to Indenturship.  The other races can also have valid arguments.  This sounds like opening a can of worms.

The contract made provision for lands. Whether they actually received can be debated. 

When slavery ended the slave masters were compensated and the entire socio economic system of 19th C colonial Guyana (and the rest of the British West Indies) was to punish the freed people for being bold enough to demand improved living conditions.

Please don't compare indentureship and slavery.  Argue on the basis of the fact that it is water under the bridge and chatter about reparations at this point is futile.

Villages were created for non-returning East Indian Indentured,they got 99 yr leases for the lands,my grand parents had such land.

Django
Django posted:
 

Villages were created for non-returning East Indian Indentured,they got 99 yr leases for the lands,my grand parents had such land.

And that was the point. 

My ancestors had to save their little pennies then put them in a wheel barrow to pay for the land.  I mean MY ancestors as I am a direct descendant of people involved in the establishment of BV and Victoria.

Once purchased the land was flooded out by the estates, the villagers were heavily taxed and no public works was done to improve drainage, irrigation or sea defense.  This is why blacks, whose first occupations after slavery was in farming and petty trading, moved to the security of the civil service and the trades.  Those who couldn't do so remained poor, and those who did so entered the lower middle class.

Furthermore the Portuguese were allowed to undermine them by importing cheap food.  And when many were forced to go back to the estate to supplement their income when the villages were in dire difficulties by the 1860s Indians were brought in to undermine any demands for decent pay.

The plantation owners were not only compensated for their loss of slave labor but also received massive tax benefits.  Some used to subsidize the imports of indentures.  There were heavy taxes on items used by the former slaves. and they also didn't receive tax waivers for items that the sugar estates benefitted from.

It would seem to most rational people that those who were deprived of pay for centuries, as well as the ability to develop a culture of running enterprises should have received assistance and compensation to get on their feet.

My issue with demands for reparations is that the people responsible no longer live in Guyana, or are even interested in Guyana, so I don't see the sense of this demand. Penalizing other groups who weren't directly responsible for the plight suffered by the freed men and women doesn't seem rational.  Guyana and the rest of the Caribbean lack the leverage to demand reparations from the UK, France and the Netherlands, these being the guilty parties and the biggest beneficiaries.

So why waste time.  Mr. Phillips and company need to find other ways to help impoverished rural Afro Guyanese, many still suffering from the legacy of the post emancipation era.

FM

Carib,

I forget to mention they had to pay taxes yearly for the land.

I heard my Grandfather while at the office paying taxes,if someone is short he gave them the shortage to make up the taxes,he became ill in his 50's from then hardships embraced the family.

It's worthy to mention during the last gov't of the PPP/C,the owners of those lease land was given transported ownership.

Django
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Iguana posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...Mr Guana how much acre yuh getting? Yuh sellin yuh share? Hey hey hey...Mr Ronan will never sell he share. White mout foh dem pool coolie peopkle. Hey hey hey...

Gwana man getting nothing and want nothing. I state emphatically - Guyana as it is today belongs to all Guyanese, never to be partitioned.

To the Indian racists who post here - Nehru, Prashad, Skeldon Man, Vish Mahabir, Yugli, Drugb, Seignet, KP, Dave, et al I say this:

As long as you continue to deny that Guyana also belongs to black people, and to paint black people as lazy good for nothings who contributed NOTHING to Guyana, actively discriminate against them in every sector, then you will empower these movements who seek their own land within Guyana for their ethnicity.

YOU are the ones who will spur and legitimize these movements by your racist behavior! You all racist Indians will create another Burnham and you're going to reap what you sow!

Another Black skont. Even though I know yuh ain black, but yuh mind is racist just as the black.

S
Django posted:

Carib,

I forget to mention they had to pay taxes yearly for the land.

I heard my Grandfather while at the office paying taxes,if someone is short he gave them the shortage make up the taxes,he became ill in his 50's from then hardships embraced the family.

It's worthy to mention during the last gov't of the PPP/C,the owners of those lease land was given transported ownership.

Bai, taxes were paid by all on this planet. The muslims taxed hindus more than muslim converts in India-just because they were different.

Blacks owned land, they must pay the taxes.

Is the mentality of entitlement mek Linden get free current. Dey lazy to try. Why Black ppl deh so, thinking dey getting screwed by every one.

S
seignet posted:
 

Blacks owned land, they must pay the taxes.

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Blacks owned land and paid taxes. Whites owned land and did NOT pay taxes as the sugar industry was exempt.  The taxes paid by blacks was supposed to be used for drainage, irrigation and sea defense.  It was NOT used for that purpose and many of the sugar estates used to drain water ON THESE black owned lands.

You don't know the history of Guyana so you must cease to babble and make yourself look like an idiot.

FM

I see this government planning to funnel most of the oil revenues to one ethnic group.  I see major political conflicts emerging in this country.  It's not only going to be an Indian-African thing. I see the Amerindians rebelling and demanding a fair share of Guyana's resources.  Slavery and Indentureship as bad as they were would not negate the Amerindian rights to Guyana as their homeland.  

Billy Ram Balgobin
caribny posted:
seignet posted:
 

Blacks owned land, they must pay the taxes.

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Blacks owned land and paid taxes. Whites owned land and did NOT pay taxes as the sugar industry was exempt.  The taxes paid by blacks was supposed to be used for drainage, irrigation and sea defense.  It was NOT used for that purpose and many of the sugar estates used to drain water ON THESE black owned lands.

You don't know the history of Guyana so you must cease to babble and make yourself look like an idiot.

Here goes GNI's most famous black nationalist with his divisive politics.  He wants Indians to feel guilty about black slavery when in fact Indians had nothing to do with Europe's enslavement of the African anywhere in this hemisphere. I wonder if he ever thought about those in Africa whose ancestors assisted white slave traders operating on the dark continent for centuries.

Billy Ram Balgobin
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

I see this government planning to funnel most of the oil revenues to one ethnic group.  I see major political conflicts emerging in this country.  It's not only going to be an Indian-African thing. I see the Amerindians rebelling and demanding a fair share of Guyana's resources.  Slavery and Indentureship as bad as they were would not negate the Amerindian rights to Guyana as their homeland.  

Shows how little you know about Guyana.  The current cast of characters are collecting bribes from Jagdeo's oligarchs in exchange for spreading largesse to that group.  They have determined that the oligarchs can fund their retirement and to hell with others who cannot.  Its the same BK and crew who are the biggest beneficiaries.

Amerindians will do no such thing.  They have no expectations of anything from coast landers and will continue trying to eke out a living as they always have.

FM
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
 

Here goes GNI's most famous black nationalist with his divisive politics. 

The fact remains that slavery was a good deal worse than was indenture.  You can jump and scream and act like a chimpanzee.

1.  Did Indian families risk being torn apart because a slave master wished to sell one of their members?  No.

2. Were Indians punished for practicing their culture as African slaves were?  No.

3.  Were Indians forced to work for no pay as African slaves were?  No.

4. When the Indians were allowed access to lands were these lands flooded out as were those that the blacks bought?  No.

5.  Did the planters collectively refuse to sell Indians land as they did to blacks when they worried that blacks were acquiring "too much" land?  No.  In fact some even facilitated land acquisitions to encourage them not to return to India.

So cease your rambling nonsense that slavery was better than indenture and that Indians suffered more.  Just now you will be screaming that the slaves all received loads of cash when Emancipation Day came.

FM
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VishMahabir posted:

 

Guyana and CARICOM needs to take this case to Europe and seek reparatory justice from dem people, not demand from the Guyanese State to legitimize any form of forceful land grabbing.

Guyana's patrimony belongs to ALL Guyanese.

 

Surprisingly I actually agree with you and this. The ones who abused the former slaves no longer occupy Guyana nor do they have any beneficial interests in it. 

I happen to think that chatter about reparations is a waste of time as Europe is NOT going to engage in this and we lack the mechanisms to force them to do so.  It is the USA and Europe which control all of the multilateral systems of governance and NONE of them are going to accept financial culpability for the aftermath of the Transatlantic slave trade.

Yes this did have a bitter impact but demands for reparatory justice is futile.

By the way demands for reparation submitted by CARICOM INCLUDES that for the descendants of indenture as well as of the Indigenous populations, so reparation demand isn't just a black thing.

FM
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seignet posted:

Shouldn't they be going after African governments?

 

Its amazing how ignorant you are.

The various kingdoms which engaged in the slave trade no longer exist.  The modern nations have nothing to do with slavery.

 

FM
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skeldon_man posted:
? If you are talking about Africans, why not let them go back to Africa and ask the chiefs who sold them into slavery for compensation? 

 

They cannot "go back to Africa" because no "Africans" live in Guyana.  What we have are people with diverse ethnic ancestry, some more African in ancestry than are others.  In addition they know nothing about the particulars even of their specific African ancestries.

The Africans who benefitted from slavery no longer exist and in fact the net impact of slavery on Africa was quite negative.  That some African elites were very important in this tragedy is a fact, but most of them lost out when direct European colonialism of Africa began.

FM
caribny posted:
VishMahabir posted:

 

Guyana and CARICOM needs to take this case to Europe and seek reparatory justice from dem people, not demand from the Guyanese State to legitimize any form of forceful land grabbing.

Guyana's patrimony belongs to ALL Guyanese.

 

Surprisingly I actually agree with you and this. The ones who abused the former slaves no longer occupy Guyana nor do they have any beneficial interests in it. 

I happen to think that chatter about reparations is a waste of time as Europe is NOT going to engage in this and we lack the mechanisms to force them to do so.  It is the USA and Europe which control all of the multilateral systems of governance and NONE of them are going to accept financial culpability for the aftermath of the Transatlantic slave trade.

Yes this did have a bitter impact but demands for reparatory justice is futile.

By the way demands for reparation submitted by CARICOM INCLUDES that for the descendants of indenture as well as of the Indigenous populations, so reparation demand isn't just a black thing.

If the last part of your paragraph is true, this information needs to be further explored, so that the leaders of the reparations movement can seek greater support...and alliance from other groups. 

But, as we seem to agree, the most the leaders of the reparation movement will get is an apology from the European states.

V

To come back to the topic, I should add that this plan by Eric and others is only going to aggravate the situation more because once the legislation is passed with the governments majority, the implementation plan will have a contributing effect on the racial problems...apparently Eric is unconcerned about this.

V
VishMahabir posted:
caribny

If the last part of your paragraph is true, this information needs to be further explored, so that the leaders of the reparations movement can seek greater support...and alliance from other groups. 

But, as we seem to agree, the most the leaders of the reparation movement will get is an apology from the European states.

Here is why reparation demands will fail.

1. Not only will the Caribbean squeal (that is almost 100% of the population given that we are all either descendants of slaves, indentures or Indigenous peoples) but then so will Ireland, India, and assorted former British colonies in Africa.  So will the Afrikaners of South Africa, as the British weren't nice to them either. Quite a bill which the UK cannot pay.

2. It turns out that the compensation that the slave owners received was actually funded by loans. So the poor and lower middle class tax payers of the UK ended up being used to pay off hugely wealthy oligarchs.  So they will also demand reparations.  In  fact there has actually been mention of this should reparations to the Caribbean be made.

It is clear that slavery and indenture has created a horrendous legacy.  In Guyana the evidence is that only an elite group of Indians can claim to be better off than the masses of blacks.  Many in fact live in the same poverty and struggle that their black counterparts exist under.  Region 10 has more people with education and skills than does Region 6.  It falls behind Region 4, that propped up no doubt by G/T and its environs.

While slavery broke much of the black family structure, and with it creating many of the pathologies that we see today.  So too did extensive exposure to the cane fields also damage segments of the Indo population.

We should ask why are Indians in the Caribbean so much worse off than  their fellow indentures from Madeira and China.  The latter now often wealthier even than many of those descendants of slave owners who remain in the Caribbean.   Poverty is almost nonexistent within those groups, yet it remains an issue for many Indo Caribbean people.

The fact that the oligarchy of Guyana might now be mainly Indian lies more in the fact that the other ethnic groups fled Cheddi and Forbes.  in T&T its the whites and the Syrians who still rule the roost. 

Emphasis on the "success" of the Indian, while it might breed a level of racial superiority amongst those who need to feel superior to blacks, also ignores the fact that most Indians are NOT that well off and in fact need as much assistance as do blacks.

FM
VishMahabir posted:

To come back to the topic, I should add that this plan by Eric and others is only going to aggravate the situation more because once the legislation is passed with the governments majority, the implementation plan will have a contributing effect on the racial problems...apparently Eric is unconcerned about this.

This is not going to get any where.  Right now Granger sounds like the Indo KKK as he screams that blacks are lazy.  He thinks that his salvation lies with the Amerindians who he hopes will help him deliver victory in 2020.  That of course assumes that he plans to run again.

I think he will be disappointed as I don't hear any groundswell of support for him from the Amerindians.  Their memories of abuse by the GDF during the Burnham era haven't been forgotten.

Today's APNU is no different from Burnham's PNC.  They have contempt for the black masses and view them as nothing other than tools to advance their interests. As under the Burnham era, where are the efforts to specifically encourage black owned businesses?  The fact that after 3 years of APNU rule that Eric still feels compelled to raise this just shows that nothing has changed.

FM
VishMahabir posted:
 

But, as we seem to agree, the most the leaders of the reparation movement will get is an apology from the European states.

they have already provided their "regrets".  To apologize will suggest that contemporary Euro and US gov'ts are to blame, so that they will not do.

Better to develop a coherent plan to uplift the rural black/Indo poor and the urban black poor.

Calling them lazy drunks isn't the way to do this.  While I have no doubt that some merit this description I am always suspicious when entire groups are written off.

And in fact the PPP did the same when they justified the use of Chinese workers to build the Marriott.

FM
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I started a thread but was busy and could not respond.

It may appear that everyone is in agreement that 15,000 square miles of land for compensation is a pipe dream.

I am in agreement that there has to be a comprehensive plan to uplift the lives of ordinary Guyanese of all races by providing affordable housing, education, electricity and clean water.

Carib highlighted many injustices suffered by Blacks since emancipation and they have not been able to recover as a result of being stuck at the civil service though no fault of theirs since their lands were flooded by the estates.

As Indos, we must not forget to acknowledge the sacrifices of Blacks who paved the way for our foreparents and the least that we can do is to acknowledge injustices and correct them.

We must begin to undo wrongs committed in the past but whoever Governs Guyana must begin to govern for ALL Guyanese. We are a land of SIX races, One People, One Nation, One Destiny.

I am being more hopeful now as I hear positive things that I never heard before. There is hope for Guyana.

FM
caribny posted:
 
seignet posted:

Shouldn't they be going after African governments?

 

Its amazing how ignorant you are.

The various kingdoms which engaged in the slave trade no longer exist.  The modern nations have nothing to do with slavery.

 

Suh, why should white ppl of America and Britain bother with children of ex -slaves. The blacks of today are in no way bearing the scars of their forefathers.

Africans of the continent are more responsible for black slavery. Yet, gauging from my inter-action with West Africans, slavery is just dismissed. Atleast by the ordinary African, professors are different matter.

The same attitude towards Indo Carribbean by Indian nationals. 

S
yuji22 posted:

I started a thread but was busy and could not respond.

It may appear that everyone is in agreement that 15,000 square miles of land for compensation is a pipe dream.

I am in agreement that there has to be a comprehensive plan to uplift the lives of ordinary Guyanese of all races by providing affordable housing, education, electricity and clean water.

Carib highlighted many injustices suffered by Blacks since emancipation and they have not been able to recover as a result of being stuck at the civil service though no fault of theirs since their lands were flooded by the estates.

As Indos, we must not forget to acknowledge the sacrifices of Blacks who paved the way for our foreparents and the least that we can do is to acknowledge injustices and correct them.

We must begin to undo wrongs committed in the past but whoever Governs Guyana must begin to govern for ALL Guyanese. We are a land of SIX races, One People, One Nation, One Destiny.

I am being more hopeful now as I hear positive things that I never heard before. There is hope for Guyana.

You never heard them before because you were raised in a racist Hindutva world and taught that all black man are lazy and evil and that you, the Easter Lily Brahmin, were superior to these "animals".

You are also fully of braggadocio and arrogance in spite of being poorly educated and ignorant of Guyana, it's people, politics and history. A man pushing 50 and now you're starting to learn. SMFH

Don't get all hopeful. There are tens of thousands of rural Indians like you in Guyana. Right here on this small roll of contributors there are at least 10 racist Indians that you join with often. And the Indians who don't hold your racist view are villified by you and your clown posse daily.

FM
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caribny posted:
skeldon_man posted:
? If you are talking about Africans, why not let them go back to Africa and ask the chiefs who sold them into slavery for compensation? 

 

They cannot "go back to Africa" because no "Africans" live in Guyana.  What we have are people with diverse ethnic ancestry, some more African in ancestry than are others.  In addition they know nothing about the particulars even of their specific African ancestries.

The Africans who benefitted from slavery no longer exist and in fact the net impact of slavery on Africa was quite negative.  That some African elites were very important in this tragedy is a fact, but most of them lost out when direct European colonialism of Africa began.

Ok! Let me put it bluntly and in simple language. BLACKMAN IN GUYANA. They should find the countries their forefathers were enslaved from and demand maybe a goat or a cow for compensation. Imagine their forefathers were worth less than a goat or a cow? Maybe today they are worth about 10 goats and 20 acres of desert.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
caribny posted:
skeldon_man posted:
? If you are talking about Africans, why not let them go back to Africa and ask the chiefs who sold them into slavery for compensation? 

 

They cannot "go back to Africa" because no "Africans" live in Guyana.  What we have are people with diverse ethnic ancestry, some more African in ancestry than are others.  In addition they know nothing about the particulars even of their specific African ancestries.

The Africans who benefitted from slavery no longer exist and in fact the net impact of slavery on Africa was quite negative.  That some African elites were very important in this tragedy is a fact, but most of them lost out when direct European colonialism of Africa began.

Ok! Let me put it bluntly and in simple language. BLACKMAN IN GUYANA. They should find the countries their forefathers were enslaved from and demand maybe a goat or a cow for compensation. Imagine their forefathers were worth less than a goat or a cow? Maybe today they are worth about 10 goats and 20 acres of desert.

That's is easy to say,digging deeply one may find that would be hard to find the their names and villages they were taken from.

Immigrants were recorded,it's much easier to trace the country and villages of origination.

Django

The racist D2/Iguana has once again been exposed with his intense hate for Indos/Hindus. Racist Nationalists like him were shocked that Indos dare speak up for their rights and acknowledge wrongs against Afros.

D2/Iguana becomes more and more irrelevant with his constant racist shyte, lies and false accusations that he is peddling.

That park bench and door mouth to door mouth lifestyle had a very negative impact on D2/Iguana. The effects of such a lifestyle is reflected on how he sees Indos and their pride in maintaining their culture and dharma.

D2/Iguana cannot survive without the constant racist shyte and false accusations that he spew sat GNI. He is GNI's laughing stock with his 100 handles morphing from a sakawinki to an Iguana and god knows what next.

Yuji22

FM
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seignet posted:
 

Suh, why should white ppl of America and Britain bother with children of ex -slaves. The blacks of today are in no way bearing the scars of their forefathers.

 

Why don't you go to India and wail at those who fooled your ancestors that they would live in paradise if they went to cut cane in Guyana?  Those people were no better than the African elites who sold others into slavery.

Note that its a fallacy that African elites sold their own.  They didn't conceive of themselves as "Africans".  Even now Africans only develop this perspective when they leave Africa.  They sold people from nations that they were at war with.

Indians definitely bare the scars of indenture, given that on average they are considerably worse off than the Portuguese and Chinese who arrived in Guyana under the same circumstances. Slavery was even worse.

FM
Iguana posted:
And the Indians who don't hold your racist view are villified by you and your clown posse daily.

Christopher Ram, Freddie Kissoon and others can cite specific instances of violence directed towards them because in the era of PPP rule they dared to raise issues of racism against blacks. Worse yet those Indians married to blacks. Called "Congo Lovers". 

Then they wonder why TK called those guilty of this behavior the brown bai KKK and I more closely defined it by renaming them Indo KKK.  Their behavior is uncannily like that of the racists of the Old South in their treatment of whites who abhorred bigotry towards blacks.

FM
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skeldon_man posted:
 

They should find the countries their forefathers

So where is Akwamu?  Because that was a slave trading empire in the 17/18th century and no doubt was responsible for the enslavement of many who ultimately ended up in Guyana.

Or the Oyo empire or that of Dahomey?

Nut head. None of these entities exist today, wiped out when Europe colonized Africa in the late 19th C.

Let me give myself as an example. Ancestral DNA shows that I am 85% African and 15% European.  The African ancestry comes from lands stretching from Senegal right through to Cameroon.

So where is my "homeland'?  How do I know which kingdom sold my ancestors. I don't even know who my ancestors are given that they were treated as cargo and literally weighed, just as if they were bags of sugar or cows?

If you aren't willing to discuss intelligently about the Transatlantic slave trade continue your screams of "black man gun kill ahbe!".

FM
yuji22 posted:

The racist D2/Iguana has once again been exposed with his intense hate for Indos/Hindus.

the man admits to his Indian ancestry.  He is quite willing to discuss the Indian racism that he heard growing up and also the fact that Indo Guyanese are rife with pathologies, given their history of indenture, as are blacks, with their legacy of slavery.

Because he is honest about raising discussions about Indians who is a "racist".

FM
caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:

The racist D2/Iguana has once again been exposed with his intense hate for Indos/Hindus.

the man admits to his Indian ancestry.  He is quite willing to discuss the Indian racism that he heard growing up and also the fact that Indo Guyanese are rife with pathologies, given their history of indenture, as are blacks, with their legacy of slavery.

Because he is honest about raising discussions about Indians who is a "racist".

This fool Yugli thinks I and someone named D2 are the same person. I'm also Ronan, Redux, etc. He's seeing ghosts. This poorly educated fool can't go point / counterpoint or argue based on facts. His style is to buze down. Kinda hard to do if you don't know who the person is. Hilarious stuff with his clown!

FM
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Iguana posted:
caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:

The racist D2/Iguana has once again been exposed with his intense hate for Indos/Hindus.

the man admits to his Indian ancestry.  He is quite willing to discuss the Indian racism that he heard growing up and also the fact that Indo Guyanese are rife with pathologies, given their history of indenture, as are blacks, with their legacy of slavery.

Because he is honest about raising discussions about Indians who is a "racist".

This fool Yugli thinks I and someone named D2 are the same person. I'm also Ronan, Redux, etc. He's seeing ghosts. The fool can't go point / counterpoint or argue based on facts. His style is to buze down. Kinda hard to do if you don't know who the person is. Hilarious stuff with his clown!

Hey hey hey...like yuh come down fram yuh tree. Ah goin and liff lil weight while meh strap up meh goodie. When a come back a will deal wid yuh. Eat some zeb grass leaf till meh come back...hey hey hey...

FM
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...like yuh come down fram yuh tree. Ah goin and liff lil weight while meh strap up meh goodie. When a come back a will deal wid yuh. Eat some zeb grass leaf till meh come back...hey hey hey...

LMFAO!!!!! Lay off de conga pump while yuh at de gym padna!

FM
Iguana posted:
 

This fool Yugli thinks I and someone named D2 are the same person. I'm also Ronan, Redux, etc. He's seeing ghosts. This poorly educated fool can't go point / counterpoint or argue based on facts. His style is to buze down. Kinda hard to do if you don't know who the person is. Hilarious stuff with his clown!

Your way of expressing yourself is radically different from D2.  Now I know that stormborn and D2 are the same people. NOT you!

FM
caribny posted:
seignet posted:
 

Suh, why should white ppl of America and Britain bother with children of ex -slaves. The blacks of today are in no way bearing the scars of their forefathers.

 

Why don't you go to India and wail at those who fooled your ancestors that they would live in paradise if they went to cut cane in Guyana?  Those people were no better than the African elites who sold others into slavery.

Note that its a fallacy that African elites sold their own.  They didn't conceive of themselves as "Africans".  Even now Africans only develop this perspective when they leave Africa.  They sold people from nations that they were at war with.

Indians definitely bare the scars of indenture, given that on average they are considerably worse off than the Portuguese and Chinese who arrived in Guyana under the same circumstances. Slavery was even worse.

I turn out good. Praise! be to God, THE ALMIGHTY. I know His Son. 

Burnham in Obeah and Granger is Burnham Obeah follower.

Nigerians sey dah nah good, is a curse upon the generations. Could it be that is why Guyana Blacks were enslaved? 

And dey still being lead by jhumbie followers-another enslavement. This time by the Black elites of Guyana. 

S
caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:

The racist D2/Iguana has once again been exposed with his intense hate for Indos/Hindus.

the man admits to his Indian ancestry.  He is quite willing to discuss the Indian racism that he heard growing up and also the fact that Indo Guyanese are rife with pathologies, given their history of indenture, as are blacks, with their legacy of slavery.

Because he is honest about raising discussions about Indians who is a "racist".

He is a fake indian. If he has black blood in him, then he is black. Black ppl counts that blood far superior than the other mixed blood. 

His anti-indo sentiments makes my pure indian blood boils.

S
Iguana posted:
caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:

The racist D2/Iguana has once again been exposed with his intense hate for Indos/Hindus.

the man admits to his Indian ancestry.  He is quite willing to discuss the Indian racism that he heard growing up and also the fact that Indo Guyanese are rife with pathologies, given their history of indenture, as are blacks, with their legacy of slavery.

Because he is honest about raising discussions about Indians who is a "racist".

This fool Yugli thinks I and someone named D2 are the same person. I'm also Ronan, Redux, etc. He's seeing ghosts. This poorly educated fool can't go point / counterpoint or argue based on facts. His style is to buze down. Kinda hard to do if you don't know who the person is. Hilarious stuff with his clown!

You are all the same person. Write exactly the samething for the past 20 odd years.

Your hate shines. 

S
caribny posted:
Iguana posted:
 

This fool Yugli thinks I and someone named D2 are the same person. I'm also Ronan, Redux, etc. He's seeing ghosts. This poorly educated fool can't go point / counterpoint or argue based on facts. His style is to buze down. Kinda hard to do if you don't know who the person is. Hilarious stuff with his clown!

Your way of expressing yourself is radically different from D2.  Now I know that stormborn and D2 are the same people. NOT you!

Not being an Indian under attack you wouldn.t know. Your senses align with his bcz you all of the same thought on the subject.

You tink we are backward and have no business to be in Guyana.

You are a sensible guy and points are well noted. This other person is more of an indian racist than you. I doan see you as a racists, only as someone who tries to shame us for percieved bad behaviour.

S
caribny posted:
Iguana posted:
 

This fool Yugli thinks I and someone named D2 are the same person. I'm also Ronan, Redux, etc. He's seeing ghosts. This poorly educated fool can't go point / counterpoint or argue based on facts. His style is to buze down. Kinda hard to do if you don't know who the person is. Hilarious stuff with his clown!

Your way of expressing yourself is radically different from D2.  Now I know that stormborn and D2 are the same people. NOT you!

masterful disguise. D2 is an intelligent chap, I bet he takes alot of time to craft his posts. He said he is retired, he gat lots oof time.

S
seignet posted:
 

Nigerians sey dah nah good, is a curse upon the generations.

Nigerians are quick to put juju on each other.  In fact a few years ago they put juju on you when you screamed that black Guyanese should be cursed to remain in poverty.

I have been to those Nigerians churches and I can assure you that lots of juju goes on.  They call it "demon" but its the same thing.

FM
seignet posted:
.

You tink we are backward .

Don't flatter yourself.  The fact that I consider you and Nehru to be backward doesn't extend to people like GTAngler, VishMahabir and others, even baseman.  The fact that I don't agree with much of what they say doesn't mean that I lack respect for them.

I do however lack respect for you as you write as if you are in a juju induced trance.

So I disrespect you because you are you.  Not because you are Indian.

FM
seignet posted:
 

He is a fake indian. If he has black blood in him, then he is black. Black ppl counts that blood far superior than the other mixed blood. 

His anti-indo sentiments makes my pure indian blood boils.

The only connection that D2 has with blacks is that his wife is one.  He doesn't claim to have African ancestry.  That he doesn't view himself as being superior to blacks is something that you can learn from.

Confused as you are by that juju induced hazing and you still think that you are better than blacks.

FM
caribny posted:
Iguana posted:
 

This fool Yugli thinks I and someone named D2 are the same person. I'm also Ronan, Redux, etc. He's seeing ghosts. This poorly educated fool can't go point / counterpoint or argue based on facts. His style is to buze down. Kinda hard to do if you don't know who the person is. Hilarious stuff with his clown!

Your way of expressing yourself is radically different from D2.  Now I know that stormborn and D2 are the same people. NOT you!

Don't be a jackass, he is d2 parading as a lizard, just like you being an Indian parading as a blackman just to feel their pain. I suggest a better way to feel the blackman's pain is to bend over. 

FM
caribny posted:
seignet posted:
 

He is a fake indian. If he has black blood in him, then he is black. Black ppl counts that blood far superior than the other mixed blood. 

His anti-indo sentiments makes my pure indian blood boils.

The only connection that D2 has with blacks is that his wife is one.  He doesn't claim to have African ancestry.  That he doesn't view himself as being superior to blacks is something that you can learn from.

Confused as you are by that juju induced hazing and you still think that you are better than blacks.

Now and forever I consider you to be a Black skont, whether you are a wannabe one or not.

S
caribny posted:
seignet posted:
.

You tink we are backward .

Don't flatter yourself.  The fact that I consider you and Nehru to be backward doesn't extend to people like GTAngler, VishMahabir and others, even baseman.  The fact that I don't agree with much of what they say doesn't mean that I lack respect for them.

I do however lack respect for you as you write as if you are in a juju induced trance.

So I disrespect you because you are you.  Not because you are Indian.

What do you write that has merit. Really.

S
seignet posted:

Now and forever I consider you to be a Black skont, whether you are a wannabe one or not.

Look at this old "church man" cussing up a storm! And tomorrow yuh gon shout Hallelujah and praise Jesus wid de same nasty mouth while yuh huggin' up dem Nigerians. Damn old hypocrite!

FM
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...like yuh come down fram yuh tree. Ah goin and liff lil weight while meh strap up meh goodie. When a come back a will deal wid yuh. Eat some zeb grass leaf till meh come back...hey hey hey...

..yuh ain't come back yet...like yuh goadie get caught in de leg press machine!

FM
Iguana posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...like yuh come down fram yuh tree. Ah goin and liff lil weight while meh strap up meh goodie. When a come back a will deal wid yuh. Eat some zeb grass leaf till meh come back...hey hey hey...

..yuh ain't come back yet...like yuh goadie get caught in de leg press machine!

Doh is druggie own...me gat good sack foh me own. Hey hey hey...squattin doan knot up me own. Yuh worry wid how much land Mr Dr Dr Dr Dr Eric and Mr Best go give yu...not me ball pack. Mek sure dey doan give yuh wan piece swamp. Hey hey hey...

FM
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
Iguana posted:
 

This fool Yugli thinks I and someone named D2 are the same person. I'm also Ronan, Redux, etc. He's seeing ghosts. This poorly educated fool can't go point / counterpoint or argue based on facts. His style is to buze down. Kinda hard to do if you don't know who the person is. Hilarious stuff with his clown!

Your way of expressing yourself is radically different from D2.  Now I know that stormborn and D2 are the same people. NOT you!

Don't be a jackass, he is d2 parading as a lizard, just like you being an Indian parading as a blackman just to feel their pain. I suggest a better way to feel the blackman's pain is to bend over. 

D2 morphed from a Sakawinki to a Lizard. GNI evolution process in place. D2 has over 100 handles here. He can run and try to hide behind a lizard but his DNA is all over GNI.

FM
Iguana posted:
seignet posted:

Now and forever I consider you to be a Black skont, whether you are a wannabe one or not.

Look at this old "church man" cussing up a storm! And tomorrow yuh gon shout Hallelujah and praise Jesus wid de same nasty mouth while yuh huggin' up dem Nigerians. Damn old hypocrite!

Yep, tomorrow is Praise and Worship.

First Sunday of the month. Meh sistahs goan be singing to the heavens.

And I will be moved to tears for such men of racist character have angered me to cussing. 

How could Chief introduced Skont on this forum? It must affect his woodhoo.

S
seignet posted:

Yep, tomorrow is Praise and Worship.

First Sunday of the month. Meh sistahs goan be singing to the heavens.

And I will be moved to tears for such men of racist character have angered me to cussing.

Aw shaddup and take responsibility for yuh cussing! Enough of the crocodile tears. Nasty words proceed from dat nasty piece of black coal in yuh chest that yuh call a heart! Come hay parading yuhself like you're some paragon of virtue when you're nothing but an old, nasty, racist cussbird and blaming everybody else fuh it. Gwan suh yuh kanta Christian!

FM
yuji22 posted:

D2 morphed from a Sakawinki to a Lizard. GNI evolution process in place. D2 has over 100 handles here. He can run and try to hide behind a lizard but his DNA is all over GNI.

Eleanor Roosevelt said

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people"

An apt description of you - constrained by your small mind to discuss people. Who zoomin' who, which got multiple alias, who is black, who got more money, who carry slop can, personal matters about Moses, who got kack eye etc. No ideas. No knowledge of Guyana's history, multiple cultures or political landscape. No original thought.

That is the poor creature called Yugli, the "fearless" windbag traveling from thread to thread to su su about people. I came here for some discussion and found a pesky gnat meddling and disrupting every conversation of value. 

FM
Iguana posted:
seignet posted:

Yep, tomorrow is Praise and Worship.

First Sunday of the month. Meh sistahs goan be singing to the heavens.

And I will be moved to tears for such men of racist character have angered me to cussing.

Aw shaddup and take responsibility for yuh cussing! Enough of the crocodile tears. Nasty words proceed from dat nasty piece of black coal in yuh chest that yuh call a heart! Come hay parading yuhself like you're some paragon of virtue when you're nothing but an old, nasty, racist cussbird and blaming everybody else fuh it. Gwan suh yuh kanta Christian!

HAHAHAAAA

cain
yuji22 posted:
Drugb posted:
Don't be a jackass, he is d2 parading as a lizard, just like you being an Indian parading as a blackman just to feel their pain. I suggest a better way to feel the blackman's pain is to bend over. 

D2 morphed from a Sakawinki to a Lizard. GNI evolution process in place. D2 has over 100 handles here. He can run and try to hide behind a lizard but his DNA is all over GNI.

A lot of these katahars jump up behind the pnc bandwagon thinking that a rigging machine of incompetent bastards can become angels with intelligence overnight. Now after 3 years they see the truth, many of them now changing handles in shame.  Some like Mars, django, mr t, mitwah and others continue to be hold on to the hope that pnc ugly ducklings will turn into beautiful swans soon.

FM
yuji22 posted:

Prem Chopra in a Double Role.

Eleanor Roosevelt said

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people"

An apt description of you - constrained by your small mind to discuss people. Who zoomin' who, which got multiple alias, who is black, who got more money, who carry slop can, personal matters about Moses, who got kack eye etc. No ideas. No knowledge of Guyana's history, multiple cultures or political landscape. No original thought.

That is the poor creature called Yugli, the "fearless" windbag traveling from thread to thread to su su about people. I came here for some discussion and found a pesky gnat meddling and disrupting every conversation of value. 

FM
Iguana posted:
seignet posted:

Yep, tomorrow is Praise and Worship.

First Sunday of the month. Meh sistahs goan be singing to the heavens.

And I will be moved to tears for such men of racist character have angered me to cussing.

Aw shaddup and take responsibility for yuh cussing! Enough of the crocodile tears. Nasty words proceed from dat nasty piece of black coal in yuh chest that yuh call a heart! Come hay parading yuhself like you're some paragon of virtue when you're nothing but an old, nasty, racist cussbird and blaming everybody else fuh it. Gwan suh yuh kanta Christian!

There is only one person I have ever heard use "aw shaddup". His father was Afro-Guyanese and his mother English.

GTAngler
Iguana posted:
seignet posted:

Yep, tomorrow is Praise and Worship.

First Sunday of the month. Meh sistahs goan be singing to the heavens.

And I will be moved to tears for such men of racist character have angered me to cussing.

Aw shaddup and take responsibility for yuh cussing! Enough of the crocodile tears. Nasty words proceed from dat nasty piece of black coal in yuh chest that yuh call a heart! Come hay parading yuhself like you're some paragon of virtue when you're nothing but an old, nasty, racist cussbird and blaming everybody else fuh it. Gwan suh yuh kanta Christian!

wah i sey, a skont as usual.  

S
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cain posted:
Iguana posted:
seignet posted:

Yep, tomorrow is Praise and Worship.

First Sunday of the month. Meh sistahs goan be singing to the heavens.

And I will be moved to tears for such men of racist character have angered me to cussing.

Aw shaddup and take responsibility for yuh cussing! Enough of the crocodile tears. Nasty words proceed from dat nasty piece of black coal in yuh chest that yuh call a heart! Come hay parading yuhself like you're some paragon of virtue when you're nothing but an old, nasty, racist cussbird and blaming everybody else fuh it. Gwan suh yuh kanta Christian!

HAHAHAAAA

what is so fu.ck.ing funny. You realize the man is making comments about my health. A while back, he proclaimed I was baby steps away from the grave.

Yuh non-indians are some nasty mudda fookers. 

S
seignet posted:
cain posted:
Iguana posted:
seignet posted:

Yep, tomorrow is Praise and Worship.

First Sunday of the month. Meh sistahs goan be singing to the heavens.

And I will be moved to tears for such men of racist character have angered me to cussing.

Aw shaddup and take responsibility for yuh cussing! Enough of the crocodile tears. Nasty words proceed from dat nasty piece of black coal in yuh chest that yuh call a heart! Come hay parading yuhself like you're some paragon of virtue when you're nothing but an old, nasty, racist cussbird and blaming everybody else fuh it. Gwan suh yuh kanta Christian!

HAHAHAAAA

what is so fu.ck.ing funny. You realize the man is making comments about my health. A while back, he proclaimed I was baby steps away from the grave.

Yuh non-indians are some nasty mudda fookers. 

LMAO! You are going off the deep end! When did I make comments about your health or that you were baby steps from the grave?

Yuh cussin' befo chuch on Sunday. Yuh come back cussin' from chuch. Pretty sure yuh waz sitting deh cussin' in yuh mind during de sermon. Dat Nigerian pastor gotta cast out dat cussin' demon from yuh! lol.

FM
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Drugb posted

Don't be a jackass, he is d2 parading as a lizard, just like you being an Indian parading as a blackman just to feel their pain. I suggest a better way to feel the blackman's pain is to bend over. 

Aaah druggie with his obsession with a big black baigan.  Why don't you tell us how it feels?

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted

Don't be a jackass, he is d2 parading as a lizard, just like you being an Indian parading as a blackman just to feel their pain. I suggest a better way to feel the blackman's pain is to bend over. 

Aaah druggie with his obsession with a big black baigan.  Why don't you tell us how it feels?

I didn't want to address that for so many reasons. People really should think a little before posting.

GTAngler
yuji22 posted:

The racist D2/Iguana has once again been exposed with his intense hate for Indos/Hindus. Racist Nationalists like him were shocked that Indos dare speak up for their rights and acknowledge wrongs against Afros.

D2/Iguana becomes more and more irrelevant with his constant racist shyte, lies and false accusations that he is peddling.

That park bench and door mouth to door mouth lifestyle had a very negative impact on D2/Iguana. The effects of such a lifestyle is reflected on how he sees Indos and their pride in maintaining their culture and dharma.

D2/Iguana cannot survive without the constant racist shyte and false accusations that he spew sat GNI. He is GNI's laughing stock with his 100 handles morphing from a sakawinki to an Iguana and god knows what next.

Yuji22

Why in the world do you think I would be the one producing that kind of text? Where have I ever agreed with reparations or any such? I am presently on SN contesting this very advocacy position. I have done so with Mr Philips on a dozen occasions and I consider him a truly odious person.

 

And here you are with you simplest peanut brain assuming on no evidence that I am this person. Surely you are an incontrovertible ass or just have too much time on your hands. 

 

FM
D2 posted:

Why in the world do you think I would be the one producing that kind of text? Where have I ever agreed with reparations or any such? I am presently on SN contesting this very advocacy position. I have done so with Mr Philips on a dozen occasions and I consider him a truly odious person.

 And here you are with you simplest peanut brain assuming on no evidence that I am this person. Surely you are an incontrovertible ass or just have too much time on your hands. 

 

...for the record I do  not agree with reparations or with Philips and have stated so here. That twit Yugi attributed that position to me. You know better than I that Yugli needs to create his own straw man to wail against.

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted

Don't be a jackass, he is d2 parading as a lizard, just like you being an Indian parading as a blackman just to feel their pain. I suggest a better way to feel the blackman's pain is to bend over. 

Aaah druggie with his obsession with a big black baigan.  Why don't you tell us how it feels?

Wouldn't know, but apparently you tasted it and liked the feeling.

FM
Iguana posted:
D2 posted:

Why in the world do you think I would be the one producing that kind of text? Where have I ever agreed with reparations or any such? I am presently on SN contesting this very advocacy position. I have done so with Mr Philips on a dozen occasions and I consider him a truly odious person.

 And here you are with you simplest peanut brain assuming on no evidence that I am this person. Surely you are an incontrovertible ass or just have too much time on your hands. 

 

...for the record I do  not agree with reparations or with Philips and have stated so here. That twit Yugi attributed that position to me. You know better than I that Yugli needs to create his own straw man to wail against.

Wah rass dis, de man talking to heself. 

FM
Drugb posted:
Iguana posted:
D2 posted:

Why in the world do you think I would be the one producing that kind of text? Where have I ever agreed with reparations or any such? I am presently on SN contesting this very advocacy position. I have done so with Mr Philips on a dozen occasions and I consider him a truly odious person.

 And here you are with you simplest peanut brain assuming on no evidence that I am this person. Surely you are an incontrovertible ass or just have too much time on your hands. 

 

...for the record I do  not agree with reparations or with Philips and have stated so here. That twit Yugi attributed that position to me. You know better than I that Yugli needs to create his own straw man to wail against.

Wah rass dis, de man talking to heself. 

Interesting.

FM
Iguana posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...Mr Guana how much acre yuh getting? Yuh sellin yuh share? Hey hey hey...Mr Ronan will never sell he share. White mout foh dem pool coolie peopkle. Hey hey hey...

Gwana man getting nothing and want nothing. I state emphatically - Guyana as it is today belongs to all Guyanese, never to be partitioned.

To the Indian racists who post here - Nehru, Prashad, Skeldon Man, Vish Mahabir, Yugli, Drugb, Seignet, KP, Dave, et al I say this:

As long as you continue to deny that Guyana also belongs to black people, and to paint black people as lazy good for nothings who contributed NOTHING to Guyana, actively discriminate against them in every sector, then you will empower these movements who seek their own land within Guyana for their ethnicity.

YOU are the ones who will spur and legitimize these movements by your racist behavior! You all racist Indians will create another Burnham and you're going to reap what you sow!

You must have mixed me up with another Prashad.  Prashad has made it crystal clear on this board that he support reparations for both descendants of slaves and indentured servants.    

Prashad
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