Or too close for comfort, then you pivot to denial, as with the Boston bombers' mother.

How did FK cause racial disharmony in Guyana? What exactly did he do?

" Inspire"!

"inspire" how, baseman? . . . decent people who are not infected with your crude tribalism and ignar bigotry don't know the 'secret knowledge' handshake taught @ Freedom House

That Amral, Odeen et al lets this buch post these racist crap despite their own prohibition to this will reap rewards for t he PPP...the kind they deserve. It is great the world can see the kind of base, rotten racist core that makes up the PPP. This is them completely.

As the heading imply, Afro Guyanese and Amerind need to take proactive steps to defend their continual degradation in the society. Amerinds are waking up for the first time to confront this corrupt racist regime.

I hope Africans understand that this view that the are the backward, quarrelsome, terrorist driven lot is the only message that the PPP has to keep them down and to keep the latent fear of Africans by Indians on their side. Their corruption has been so pervasive it is their last refuge, to continually demonize non Indians to keep Indians under their umbrella. On that account Amerindians and Africans need to greet their propaganda head on with resolute attention.

Our response is not to reciprocate but to elucidate and clarify what it is they are truly trying to hide ie the kind of crony patronage that makes Bobby Ramsaroop the beneficiary of the learning channel largess, GUYSUCO going broke ( Ramotar squatted on the board and Geeta Singh now squats and the lout mouthed ass Raj Singh is jede!!), The pollution of our rivers with give away of mining rights willy nilly, the give away of our lumber assets to the Chinese and Indians etc.  This is the way to fight back. With this approach, the racists cannot win.

It is great that the racist core of the PPP is being exposed every day to the world. My sincere thanks to Rev, Yugi22, Baseman and the other supporters of the PPP regime. It's a good thing that Amral and Odeen are allowing them to vent their racism and hate.

"Afro-Guyanese should now speak of anti-African sentiment."

Did I miss something here.  CaribNY has been speaking about this for many many years now. Were you guys not reading what the man was writing about or did you skip over his writings?   

I write to and argued with Caribj on numerous issues and have profound differences on intellectual conclusions ( the origin of and status of Guyanese Creoles) and his assertion that indians clannishness is the source of our ills.

I assert we are all clan conscious but we are also rational. Given we no longer huddle for protection in associations of kind and in a state of nature but now in an  artificial construct we call nation state; we  need different rules. We must defer to a needs based analysis for all and on equal terms. Indians need to preserve their culture and so does Africans or anyone else. No individual groups can on any account be allowed to misuse the other. Our political history, unfortunately,  has been exactly that; one group abusing the other in an in your face dictatorship, and worse, deceptively under the guise of democracy.

There should not be unconstrained competing race driven views in modern society. That is amoral and wrong on every level. We therefore need systems to constrain our innate compulsions. This  is why our present constitution woefully ill-serves us. By giving absolute power to a race based party it feeds into our baser natures. 

It feeds the corruption in the PPP; it feeds greed and  the idea that they are the better because of race. It is the only reason for the kinds of in your face racism from the creatures on this board. Merit over nepotism has gone by the wayside. What remains is  a naked defense of turf based on race, gangland style.

Mitwah:

Do you live your life caring what other people think about you and your opinion ? If you do you are a loser.

Listen! Folks like the Rev, yuji, baseman, etc, etc don't give a rat's a$$ what others think of us. We believe in being bluntly honest.

THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT AND AS PROPHET MOHAMED SAID THE TRUTH MUST BE TOLD EVEN IF IT IS DISPLEASING TO OTHERS.

Folks like yuji, baseman and the Rev speak the blunt and honest truth---and that's why they are hated by the losers on this forum.

Here is the deal Mitwah--Truth is hate for those who hate the truth---like the Dirty PNC Indians and the Chechen PNC terrorists.

Rev

Rev Al Sharpton, Rev Al Sharpton, Rev Al Sharpton, Rev Al Sharpton, Rev Al Sharpton, Rev Al Sharpton, Rev Al Sharpton, Rev Al Sharpton,

Please take note of the poster (Rev formerly Rev Al) who posts here to denigrate your name and to demonize people of African heritage.

Dirty PNC Indians ==> N1GGERS

Chechen PNC terrorists ==> N1GGERS

Mithun:

Rev

Rev, you represent the PPP/C and demonstrate their hard core racism for the world to see.

For a person like CaribNY to say that East Indians are clannish may mean that person has may have never been exposed to East Indians and their culture and may just be repeating racist propaganda that they may have heard.  The blackman has unity. He may see all white and black people from Africa as his brothers and sisters and will help his black and white brothers and sisters from Africa.  East Indians may not hesitate to fight each other over nothing and destroy/ rip off/con each other.  Churchill may not hesitate to stab me in the back. Bookman may not hesitate to curse me down and Rev Al may not hesitate to cut off my head.  There has never been clannishness amount East Indians and there never will be. Destroying each other is the name of the game. 

 As I noted earlier, everyone of us left to ourselves will form clans. In short, culture cannot exist without "clannishness".  In itself, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. However, the very means where by they are created ( who we are as opposed to who they are rules), produces negative consequences in the modern invention of the nation states. Nation states have fixed borders and competing groups are forced to fight or cooperate. There is no option for flight. 

In short, caribj is not wrong. He simply focuses too much on that aspect of group competition instead of the attendant need to mediate the competition so one group does not take advantage over the other.

CaribJ is an old racist from the Burnham days. He is vexed that the Indians are now fighting back against Black bullying via phantomization and other means. The same excuse about clannishness was used by Hitler to justify exterminating the Jews. Stop making excuses for CaribJ's racist behavior just because you are now friends with the aFC/PNC.

I can see where CaribJ is coming from RE: Clanish

No other race in Guyana keeps up with their ancestry as the Chinese and the East Indians.

We can hear it in their music, their foods, their dress.

Is anything wrong with this?  For me nope.

They could be seen as being Chinese/Indian first.

Is anything wrong with this?  For me, yep.

Of course you would agree with caribJ as you, like d2, are also friends of the afc/pnc and share their despise of Indians. 

So if you keep up with tradition over the generations you are clannish? Let us define clannish.

clan·nish

/ˈklaniSH/

Adjective (of a group or their activities) Tending to exclude others outside the group.

Synonyms tribal

One castigate the offending party. Presently, that is the PPP. You can keep looking in the rear view mirror for boogieman. I am concerned with the monsters presently voraciously devouring the nation's assets with no regard for the common man.

There is nothing such as race in any permutation of the word. That it is used as socially convenient to label a culture is incidental to that fact.

Druggie the PPP went to great lengths to claim that Indians and African earn similar incomes and have similar poverty rates.

So druggie if Indians are all so rich then they are hiding their assets and income and so are not paying their share of income taxes.

So druggie do you think that Indians are corrupt people who refuse to pay their taxes, because govt data show that they do not earn more, on average, than do blacks?

I now see that you are so desperate that you SELECTIVELY use comments made by white racists to justofy YOUR racism. 

Note that the British had mnay bad things to say about Indians from 1880 onwards when they began to protest against the same bad working conditions that the Africans organized against in the 1840s.  At that time the planters went into the black villages and recruited from Bdos and characterized the Indian as a corrupt and evil heathen.

I was told this by black taxi drivers at CBJIA. When a plane comes they try to see what % of the passengers getting off are Indians.  On the flights from Toronto most of them are.  So they immediately leave, knowing that the Indo passengers will walk past them and use an Indian taxi driver instead.  A black passenger will jump in the first car he sees.

So basically the black drivers compete to get black passengers and only get Indians when no suitable Indian is available.

I saw for myself this behavior when two minibuses pulled up.  The FIRST one had a black driver and a blaco conductor, and had ample seats.  One pulled up behind with an Indo driver and conductors and was FULL, mainly with black passengers.  Some Indians were initially going to board the first until they saw the second.  They gave up a bus with seats to squeeze on one without.

Now what reasoning can you find to explain this behavior?

Face facts.  AfroGuyanese and IndoGuyanese have a different view of the ethnicity and their nationality.  An African is a black man who is first and foremost a Guyanese, and becomes race conscious mainly when he perceives a threat from non blacks, these days usually Indians, but in times past also included Portuguese and "red" people.

Indians have a completely different outlook in terms of their ethnicity.  Now there may be many reasons for that but this is a fact.  Whatever an African might think of the PPP they almost never deny being Guyanese.  Now contrast that to the PNC era when it was very easy for many Indians to deny being Guyanese.

Also compare and contrast the different attitudes that Afro and Indo Guyanese have to inter racisl miscegenation.  Afros are not threatened by "douglarization" as many Indians are.  They are less likely to use sharp ethnic boundaries to determine who is "in" and whop is "out".

To deny these facts is to show complete ignorance of Guyana.

And indeed I will invite any one to compare IndoJAMAICAN ethnic and national identities with that of an IndoGuyanese.

And how do you expect other groups to react when this ethnic mobilization is used to galvanize an ethnic group to ensure the political and economic subordination of another major group, which incidentally had a longer history of existence in what we now know as Guyana. 

Given that there is no socalled racial group in Guyana which is culturally monolithic clearly phenotype and ancestry are used in Guyana to galvanize culturally diverse peoples.   Indeed one might argue that many elite urban Christian Indians have more in common with their African neighbors than they have with poor rural Hindus, but yet we know how it works in Guyana.

This is funny.  Ask your average AfroGuyanese, or blacks from elsewhere in the Caribbean and the Americas about Africa and they will immediately distance themselves from it.

Put a continental African with the descendants of the TransAtlantic slave tarde and there will be immediate tensions.

Outside from a few black intellectuals TransAtlantic blacks have very little interest in Africa, apart from certain residual cultural survivals.  An AfroGuyanese will consider kwekwe to be GUYANESE folk culture. The starting point for the cultural identity is linking it FIRST to Guyana, and then splitting it off to a culture of a particular ethnic group in Guyana.

The notion that blacks are ethnically exclusive in the way that certain Asian origin groups are is laughable.  All one needs to measure is the extent to which douglas in Guyana and Trinidad are viewed by Africans in comparison to how Indians view them.

Really, so why do Guyanese blacks distance themselves from American blacks?

Face it druggie an AfroGuyanese is a Guyanese by national identity and African as a subset of being Guyanese.  Most Indians have as their prime identity being Indian, with Guyana being their counytry of birth.  If Asian Indians accepted you all you would gallop towards them.  Guyanese blacks have very limited interest in continental Africans, and are even skeptical of American blacks.

 Now think about this.  Ask an AfroGuyanese what they think of douglas and they will most likely shrug their shoulders and wonder why you are asking this question.  Ask an Indian and many will scream ethnic genocide. 

The African has a very different sense of ethnic boundaries than do most Indians.

All of that may be true. I can also affirm that being able to move in and out of both Indian and black communities with ease I can attest to the racism of Indians in ordinary circumstances that can be inconceivably  nasty.  Any Indian who doubt that lies to you.But I also know many Indians who are transparently color blind. I also hear the mistrust from black people if not the same level of vitriolic racism. But all of this is besides the point.

My argument is the Indian community needs work no less than the Afro Guyanese community. But that is social work. I need the movers and shakers and the change makers and transformationally oriented to focus on what they can change in that will not make the motivations for alignment by race in the society at the political level ever rewarding. The state cannot be seen as a prize.

That means active attitudinal shifts that vocally asserts that this is possible at the highest level. Notice in the past decade only a few people here ever argue that constitutional change can bring this about. Today the majority of the society is beginning to grasp the constitution is woefully our of sync of who we should be.

Here the AFC and to a lesser extent the PNC have been vocal. The PPP is absolutely silent. They want the status quo. It breeds racism. I do not care who is clannish or not. I care that race can not be instrumental in government and that there are institutional checks to motivations for office driven to conserve racial preserves.

I said that Blacks are doing better too so I don't see your squabble over who is doing better than who. But what is undeniable is that among the wealthier Guyanese, the Indians tend to do better because of the concept of inheritance and family helping each other. Note I said "family", not clan. I once urged you to lend money to your fellow Blacks in Guyana to raise their stature in life and you ran away with excuses. It was either you had no money due to your section 8 stature or you didn't trust your fellow Black man. This is the attitude in your community that keeps your people down. You folks need to help each other rather than wait to rob the Indian man or expect him to help you.  

Read and weep, the study as broadcasted by NPR:

http://www.npr.org/2011/09/15/...-than-just-hard-work

First of a two-part report.

Here's a startling figure: The typical white family has 20 times the wealth of the median black family. That's the largest gap in 25 years. The recession widened the racial wealth gap, but experts say it's also due to deeply ingrained differences in things such as inheritance, home ownership, taxes and even expectations.

Take the example of two California women, Dametra Williams and Stephanie Upp, who aren't that different in many ways. Both were raised by single mothers who struggled financially. Both worked hard to get where they are today.

But how they describe basically the same thing about how they got to where they are today differs.

Wealth Gap Grows

Median wealth (1984-2007)

Notes

Figures do not include home equity. The data is based on more than 2,600 families tracked by the study's researchers, Thomas M. Shapiro, Tatjana Meschede and Laura Sullivan. The researchers published their findings in a brief, "The Racial Wealth Gap Increases Fourfold."

Source: Institute on Assets and Social Policy, Brandeis University

Credit: Stephanie d'Otreppe

Williams is 40, black and a single mother of one. She just started her own business.

"It's funny, the American dream is sort of steeped in this myth of work hard, be self-sufficient and push yourself forward, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, that kind of thing. But much of the wealth in this country was not built on that, in no way, fashion or form," Williams says.

Upp, 43, is white, a mother of two and a part-time consultant.

"I think about the little things, like when I went to college. When I graduated, my mom had enough resources to give me her car so that I had a car to get to work so that I could earn money that I could then save to help put me into the next position," Upp says. "I could then save more money and have opportunities. So it wasn't like we had a lot, but there was enough. I didn't do it all by myself."

And that's the difference. Study after study shows that white families are more likely than blacks and Hispanics to enjoy certain economic advantages — even when their incomes are similar. Often it's the subtle things: help from Mom and Dad with a down payment on a home or college tuition, or a tax break on money passed from one generation to the next.

Nonsense, I have never heard an Indian Guyanese deny his or her heritage. In fact they take great pains to distinguish themselves from Trini's and Indians from India or any other part of the world. On the other hand I have encountered many Blacks in university and the work force that try to change their accent and pass themselves off as Americans, Jamaicans. They only claim to be Guyanese in their own circles but will try to pass themselves off as people from the Islands. 

I never heard that Afro Guyanese hate American Blacks, in fact many of them are married to American Blacks. hahahaha

You are reading with your racist lens. Indians inheritance structure is gone. The head of the family protocol is not there. Further, I don't know what the majority have to pass on anyways. They are all poor as the next person.

I wonder if you think those indos love cutting cane and weeding and planting a little vegetable garden and raising one cow. The reason most are on their second diaspora in three generations is they can not hack it in Guyana. Even in RH most live on the fringes with a few gaining wealth. The average Indian from Tain or Albion barely own their little home and little else.

Note the head of GOPIO stated that Guyanese Indians are not like them. They do not send their children to college and are more concerned with the good life. I guess the picture is by whose spectacles you borrow. BTW you can get RH data from on line. The median income is around 27K or just on the poverty line

Nonsense, there no such thing as an inheritance structure that has to be maintained. It is a quite simple concept, if a person towards the end of their lives have accumulated assets they will invariably pass it on to offspring. What structure does it take to do this simple task? All you need is a registered Will and a lawyer to assist in the transfer of assets. 

The Blacks towards the end of their lives, unless they had accumulated assets, will not be able to pass on an inheritance.  I have seen this time and time again and the studies have confirmed this at least in the US. In Guyana it is pretty much the same. 

He was referring to the Indo Guyanese at the lower levels of the economic ladder. The man has not interacted with the middle class IndoG else he would know that the aspirations are the same as it is with the rest of America regardless of color or creed. 

 You do not know a damn about the structure that existed. It was about passing down what the family accumulated to the eldest son, the theory being that is the head of the family and the daughter are their husbands problem. MOney accumulate only if that structure, deemed unfair in modern reality, continues. My grand father had three estates. He passed it on to his children and now only one remains. Had the inheritance structure continued it would have all remained together in the oldest son's possession. ( Good thing that did not happen since he was a wastrel)

Buck man did not have such a structure so don't apply the persona you adopted and try passing it off as IndoGuyanese's.  

Such a structure as you describe has been long gone, now replaced with a more reasonable structure when the inheritance goes to the most deserving. So don't bray that a structure don't exist when it has in fact gone through a metamorphosis. 

one has two grand fathers so why do you have to pick on the Amerind one? Actually, everything my amerind grand father owned ( he was also white and amerind) we still have. Not the same with my other grand father. My great grandfather who was Indian did not have a damn thing to pass on.

I never said I was Indo Guyanese. I would never be recognize as such. I just happen to be of sufficiently indistinct ethnic character that everybody think I am of them.

The metamorphism is the western one. Everyone gets equal share so instead of being accumulative it merely gives one a head-start in life. Alas, most are too poor for that ever to matter.

I am sure your grandfather did not leave you anything of worth else you would not be slaving for a salary. You would be wealth building in a different way.

My observation based on the blunders that you have made over the years has led me to conclude that you are a white man pretending to be buck, so please don't go down that path as I will have to pull out the sakiwinki is a bird card. 

Your whiteness rears its ugly head when you make comments about metamorphosis being western. Why can't two different sets of people reach the same conclusion based on realization of concepts of fairness? After all the wheel was not solely invented by one civilization, it was concurrently derived based on practicality.

 Not because you fictitious Indian grandfather in your imagination did not leave you an inheritance means that inheritance is absent from IndoGuyanese culture. In fact it is the duty of the father to pass on an inheritance to the child rather than the grandfather's duty to the grandchild. My grandfather passed on to my father who in turn passed on to my siblings and I. Don't take your shyte and try to dawb it in other people's asses. 

Another GNI gem for the ages. Put it in the hall of fame

Yes, put it there along with "a sakiwinki is a bird" ahahaha

As they think you goody wallah!

Do you deny making the incriminating comment that "a sakiwinki is a bird"when all Guyanese knew otherwise?

You can pull whatever you want from whatever cage but that would still be the lie you tell yourself.

I would be white if I was white as you would be white if you were not pitch black.  I am not as dark as you but I definitely will not pass as white.

And what about the coincidence of inventions have to do with the present argument? We also live in a western reality and mimic everything west except for the label we call ourselves.  You are so pitiful when you get beat up for nonsense sayings.