I just happen to be of sufficiently indistinct ethnic character that everybody think I am of them.
Another GNI gem for the ages. Put it in the hall of fame 
Yes, put it there along with "a sakiwinki is a bird" ahahaha
You can massage that lie all you want to deceive yourself but that is what you have to do. You cannot help it. That is your way to clutch at straws.
I just happen to be of sufficiently indistinct ethnic character that everybody think I am of them.
Another GNI gem for the ages. Put it in the hall of fame
Yes, put it there along with "a sakiwinki is a bird" ahahaha
You can massage that lie all you want to deceive yourself but that is what you have to do. You cannot help it. That is your way to clutch at straws.
Do you deny making the comment that "a sakiwinki is a bird"? if you are saying that I am lying then it is a clear admission that you didn't say this. Well hopefully there are old members on this forum that will remember this blunder, Chief would know if he doesn't lie to protect you.
I just happen to be of sufficiently indistinct ethnic character that everybody think I am of them.
Another GNI gem for the ages. Put it in the hall of fame
Yes, put it there along with "a sakiwinki is a bird" ahahaha
You can massage that lie all you want to deceive yourself but that is what you have to do. You cannot help it. That is your way to clutch at straws.
Do you deny making the comment that "a sakiwinki is a bird"? if you are saying that I am lying then it is a clear admission that you didn't say this. Well hopefully there are old members on this forum that will remember this blunder, Chief would know if he doesn't lie to protect you.
Denying it would not placate you? I know what I said and even have the post to prove it but that is irrelevant. It is a study in jiggly kneed weakness when you reach for that in your tool kit of baloney. From the false claims about some mythical cultural wealth generation scheme of fictive rich Indians to me being white to this your ultimate retreat in one thread is quite a feat.
All of that may be true. I can also affirm that being able to move in and out of both Indian and black communities with ease I can attest to the racism of Indians in ordinary circumstances that can be inconceivably nasty. Any Indian who doubt that lies to you.But I also know many Indians who are transparently color blind. I also hear the mistrust from black people if not the same level of vitriolic racism. But all of this is besides the point.
My argument is the Indian community needs work no less than the Afro Guyanese community. But that is social work. I need the movers and shakers and the change makers and transformationally oriented to focus on what they can change in that will not make the motivations for alignment by race in the society at the political level ever rewarding. The state cannot be seen as a prize.
That means active attitudinal shifts that vocally asserts that this is possible at the highest level. Notice in the past decade only a few people here ever argue that constitutional change can bring this about. Today the majority of the society is beginning to grasp the constitution is woefully our of sync of who we should be.
Here the AFC and to a lesser extent the PNC have been vocal. The PPP is absolutely silent. They want the status quo. It breeds racism. I do not care who is clannish or not. I care that race can not be instrumental in government and that there are institutional checks to motivations for office driven to conserve racial preserves.
Race in Guyana goes way beyond governance. Some time ago some one showed pictures of new hires at a major corportation in GEORGETOWN. Of the 20 shown only one was black. I repeat GEORGETOWN where no one can argue that there is a shortage of suitable black candidates.
The manager was an Indian.
And indeed I have heard many African PROFESSIONALS, complain when they went for employment that the Indo manager brushed his hand through his hair, and then said "its not Burnham time now". The implication being that black people will not be hired, unless an Indian is not available. This was in the PRIVATE SECTOR.
At then end of the day the average person just wants an opportunity to feed and house their families and live a decent life with some dignity. Unfortunately the perception that many NONPOLITICAL blacks have in Guyana in 2013 is that there is something "wrong" with being black in Guyana.
Indeed some AfroGuyanese living in Antigua, despite the bias against Guyanese on that island (most being blacks) report that at least there it is "OK to be black", and indeed told Jagdeo that at a meeting that he hosted for Guyanese living on that island.
So let us deal with that issue because at the end of the day that is what motivates how AfroGuyanese view themselves in Guyana and how they perceive Indians as treating them.
I have no doubt that many Indians are not racist, but if they remain silent while the ones like the PPPites howl, then why blame a black Guyanese who feels that Indians stand together to exclude others because clannishness is a fundamental aspect of their culture. And indeed if you run into a racist anti Indian black who is under 65 y/o he will cite that very reason for his attitude.
Druggie the PPP went to great lengths to claim that Indians and African earn similar incomes and have similar poverty rates.
So druggie if Indians are all so rich then they are hiding their assets and income and so are not paying their share of income taxes.
So druggie do you think that Indians are corrupt people who refuse to pay their taxes, because govt data show that they do not earn more, on average, than do blacks?
I now see that you are so desperate that you SELECTIVELY use comments made by white racists to justofy YOUR racism.
Note that the British had mnay bad things to say about Indians from 1880 onwards when they began to protest against the same bad working conditions that the Africans organized against in the 1840s. At that time the planters went into the black villages and recruited from Bdos and characterized the Indian as a corrupt and evil heathen.
I said that Blacks are doing better too so I don't see your squabble over who is doing better than who. But what is undeniable is that among the wealthier Guyanese, the Indians tend to do better because of the concept of inheritance and family helping each other. Note I said "family", not clan. I once urged you to lend money to your fellow Blacks in Guyana to raise their stature in life and you ran away with excuses. It was either you had no money due to your section 8 stature or you didn't trust your fellow Black man. This is the attitude in your community that keeps your people down. You folks need to help each other rather than wait to rob the Indian man or expect him to help you.
Read and weep, the study as broadcasted by NPR:
http://www.npr.org/2011/09/15/...-than-just-hard-work
First of a two-part report.
Here's a startling figure: The typical white family has 20 times the wealth of the median black family. That's the largest gap in 25 years. The recession widened the racial wealth gap, but experts say it's also due to deeply ingrained differences in things such as inheritance, home ownership, taxes and even expectations.
Take the example of two California women, Dametra Williams and Stephanie Upp, who aren't that different in many ways. Both were raised by single mothers who struggled financially. Both worked hard to get where they are today.
But how they describe basically the same thing about how they got to where they are today differs.
Wealth Gap Grows
Median wealth (1984-2007)
Notes
Figures do not include home equity. The data is based on more than 2,600 families tracked by the study's researchers, Thomas M. Shapiro, Tatjana Meschede and Laura Sullivan. The researchers published their findings in a brief, "The Racial Wealth Gap Increases Fourfold."Source: Institute on Assets and Social Policy, Brandeis University
Credit: Stephanie d'Otreppe
Williams is 40, black and a single mother of one. She just started her own business.
"It's funny, the American dream is sort of steeped in this myth of work hard, be self-sufficient and push yourself forward, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, that kind of thing. But much of the wealth in this country was not built on that, in no way, fashion or form," Williams says.
Upp, 43, is white, a mother of two and a part-time consultant.
"I think about the little things, like when I went to college. When I graduated, my mom had enough resources to give me her car so that I had a car to get to work so that I could earn money that I could then save to help put me into the next position," Upp says. "I could then save more money and have opportunities. So it wasn't like we had a lot, but there was enough. I didn't do it all by myself."
And that's the difference. Study after study shows that white families are more likely than blacks and Hispanics to enjoy certain economic advantages — even when their incomes are similar. Often it's the subtle things: help from Mom and Dad with a down payment on a home or college tuition, or a tax break on money passed from one generation to the next.
Druggie teh very fact that you compare white and black wealth in your daily RACIST diatribe against blacks shows what an ignorant racist you are. I will not even bother to argue with you on that topic, except to say that Hispanics also suffer a tremendous wealth disparity relative to blacks.
Nonsense, I have never heard an Indian Guyanese deny his or her heritage. In fact they take great pains to distinguish themselves from Trini's and Indians from India or any other part of the world. On the other hand I have encountered many Blacks in university and the work force that try to change their accent and pass themselves off as Americans, Jamaicans. They only claim to be Guyanese in their own circles but will try to pass themselves off as people from the Islands.
I never heard that Afro Guyanese hate American Blacks, in fact many of them are married to American Blacks. hahahaha
Prior to 1992 many IndoGuyanese lied about being Guyanese and you know this. Indeed Indians from India rejected them, but when they first arrived they rushed to embrace them. Look at how many of you all support India instead of teh West Indies. So much so that wheneevr India plays in the Caribbean they have matches in Guyana, even as Guyana is being used less and less for other teams. Even though virtually no Indian journeys to Guyana they know that you and others will come up to cheer the Indian team.
And clearly you do not mix much with black Caribbean people or you will know that few mix with African Americans and many do not have kind words to say about them. And this is just as true for Guyanese as it is for Jamaicans, Haitians and others.
And you will also wish to lie about how most IndoGuyanese view IndoJamaicans as some deracinated self hating and pathetric group because the put being JAMAICAN ahead of being Indian and that they mix with Jamaicans of other ethnic groups.
Note the head of GOPIO stated that Guyanese Indians are not like them. They do not send their children to college and are more concerned with the good life. I guess the picture is by whose spectacles you borrow. BTW you can get RH data from on line. The median income is around 27K or just on the poverty line
Indeed many Asian Indians view Guyanese and other Caribbean Indians as a group much transformed by being culturally impacted by AfroCaribbean cultural characteristics, a fact that most people like rev and druggie will deny.
So druggie many Asian Indians come from elite backgrounds so one will expect their kids to head to Ivy Leagues. Most IndoGuyanese do not, so most of their kids do not go to college, and many who do end up at CUNY. Now they can be racist as you are, and assume that this is due to some innate inferiority of Guyanese Indians. Or they can compare like with like and then determine whether Asian Indians with equivalent histories and backgrounds outperform IndoGuyanese, some thing that I doubt.
Note the head of GOPIO stated that Guyanese Indians are not like them. They do not send their children to college and are more concerned with the good life. I guess the picture is by whose spectacles you borrow. BTW you can get RH data from on line. The median income is around 27K or just on the poverty line
He was referring to the Indo Guyanese at the lower levels of the economic ladder. The man has not interacted with the middle class IndoG else he would know that the aspirations are the same as it is with the rest of America regardless of color or creed.
Druggie NYC data suggests that Guyanese do about the same as others from the Anglophone Caribbean, So uinless you are telling me that AfroGuyanese are worse off than other Caribbean blacks I am left with the assumption that Indo and AfroCaribbean first generation immigrants are doing roughly the same and that most occupy an upper working class, lower middle class occupational status in NYC. Better off than Hispanics and American blacks, but worse off than whites and Asians.
Indeed many Asian Indians view Guyanese and other Caribbean Indians as a group much transformed by being culturally impacted by AfroCaribbean cultural characteristics, a fact that most people like rev and druggie will deny.
So druggie many Asian Indians come from elite backgrounds so one will expect their kids to head to Ivy Leagues. Most IndoGuyanese do not, so most of their kids do not go to college, and many who do end up at CUNY. Now they can be racist as you are, and assume that this is due to some innate inferiority of Guyanese Indians. Or they can compare like with like and then determine whether Asian Indians with equivalent histories and backgrounds outperform IndoGuyanese, some thing that I doubt.
Certainly we are different from the folks from Asia. Certainly some do look down on us. But that does not take away from the fact that many Guyanese are affluent and share the same values of middle American.
What you conveniently ignore is that there are many Asians who are at the lower end of the economic ladder. You only need to look at the many who work at gas stations, as nannies, as bus drivers, as dollar store clerks, as motel workers, convenient store clerks and the list goes on. You only see what you want to see and try to draw conclusions that are in line with your racist views. I suspect this is due to the rejection from the Indian woman.
Druggie NYC data suggests that Guyanese do about the same as others from the Anglophone Caribbean, So uinless you are telling me that AfroGuyanese are worse off than other Caribbean blacks I am left with the assumption that Indo and AfroCaribbean first generation immigrants are doing roughly the same and that most occupy an upper working class, lower middle class occupational status in NYC. Better off than Hispanics and American blacks, but worse off than whites and Asians.
I don't know what NYC data you are referencing. What you should measure is the RH data against the Flatbush data, but oh yeah, that will be flawed as the demographics have changed in Brooklyn as affluent Russians, Poles and other eastern Europeans have not bought up the neighborhood there. In fact the alleged data you reference is merely piggybacking off the accomplishments of the other immigrant groups and attributing the numbers to Blacks.
Druggie NYC data suggests that Guyanese do about the same as others from the Anglophone Caribbean, So uinless you are telling me that AfroGuyanese are worse off than other Caribbean blacks I am left with the assumption that Indo and AfroCaribbean first generation immigrants are doing roughly the same and that most occupy an upper working class, lower middle class occupational status in NYC. Better off than Hispanics and American blacks, but worse off than whites and Asians.
I don't know what NYC data you are referencing. What you should measure is the RH data against the Flatbush data, but oh yeah, that will be flawed as the demographics have changed in Brooklyn as affluent Russians, Poles and other eastern Europeans have not bought up the neighborhood there. In fact the alleged data you reference is merely piggybacking off the accomplishments of the other immigrant groups and attributing the numbers to Blacks.
Guyanese of both races live all over NYC. And RH is not just IndoGuyanese, and Flatbush as MORE Haitians and Jamaicans than Guyanese. The NY Department of Planning has loads of data on immigrants, including Guyanese, Jamaicans, Haitians and YTrinidadians. I already mentioned this before. Why dont you go find it as we alr4eady had this discussion before and I told you where to get it.
Indeed black Caribbean immigrants are doing better by several measures than are Eastern European immigrants, despite being consiedrably less educated. So dont know why you bring up your racist nonsense. Russians are notorious for going on welfare. Black Caribbean immigrants have the LOWEST levels of welfare usage.
You refused as the thing that most terrifies you is any notion that IndoGuyanese are not doing any better than are Caribbean blacks, except in home ownership, but then we know what happened to many Indo lawyers and real estate "professionals" and also that South Ozone and RH have high rates of mortgage defaults, etc because of the tremendous fraud that was involved.
In fact you ought to know that Jamaicans are MORE likely to be self employed than Guyanese. Even if no AfroGuyanese is self employed it still suggests that IndoGuyanese are no more likely to be self employed than are Jamaicans.
Certainly we are different from the folks from Asia. Certainly some do look down on us. But that does not take away from the fact that many Guyanese are affluent and share the same values of middle American.
What you conveniently ignore is that there are many Asians who are at the lower end of the economic ladder. You only need to look at the many who work at gas stations, as nannies, as bus drivers, as dollar store clerks, as motel workers, convenient store clerks and the list goes on. You only see what you want to see and try to draw conclusions that are in line with your racist views. I suspect this is due to the rejection from the Indian woman.
Asian Indians have much higher indices of socio economic attainment than do Guyanese. Of either race. This is because way nore of them arrive as highly educated professionals. Many laugh at the pretense that many Guyanese Indians have of being connected to India, when of copurse most of what they know is from Bollywood.
Its only because of this that you all have gotten off your Indian kick. But you still do not want to consider yourselves to be a Caribbean people, and you still look down your noses at Jamaican Indians because their self defination is based mainly around being JAMAICAN.
And BOTh Jamaican and Trinidadian Indians report their shock at how racist many IndoGuyanese are. An IndoTrini women even laughing at what people like rev and baseman and other IndoGuyanese racists would do if Obama won again.
In fact many Asian Indians would probably accuse them of being as unambitiuos as they see Guyanese Indians as being.
Druggie you can rain bigotry on blacks as mcuh as you like, but then many Asian Indians will do the same to you.
In fact many Asian Indians would probably accuse them of being as unambitiuos as they see Guyanese Indians as being.
Druggie you can rain bigotry on blacks as mcuh as you like, but then many Asian Indians will do the same to you.
It is good that you admit the error of your ways with the blatant lie that most Asian Indians were affluent. You wickedly embrased the suggestion by the knuckle head that Guyanese Indians have no ambition and don't sent their kids to college when you can simply do a survey on this forum and find out otherwise. Even the misguided printer salesman Raymond have high aspirations for his kid even though he would not hold you to task for your wicked assertion that we have no ambition.
Again you just don't want to hear the truth as I merely express the same sentiments as Bill Cosby.
CaribNY's African sister. Princess Lalla Salma of Morocco. A Pretty redhead.
It is good that you admit the error of your ways with the blatant lie that most Asian Indians were affluent. You wickedly embrased the suggestion by the knuckle head that Guyanese Indians have no ambition and don't sent their kids to college when you can simply do a survey on this forum and find out otherwise. Even the misguided printer salesman Raymond have high aspirations for his kid even though he would not hold you to task for your wicked assertion that we have no ambition.
Again you just don't want to hear the truth as I merely express the same sentiments as Bill Cosby.
Asian Indians have HIGHER household earnings than do whites. Guyanese have earnings in line with other migrants from the non Hispanic Caribbean. Indeed when salaries for men and women are indicated, and not household earnings Trinidadians and Jamaicans earn more, so what we are seeing is that there are more wage earners in Guyanese households.
Now I invite you to prove that AfroGuyanese under perform Jamaicans. Clearly they would have to if you wish to suggest that IndoGuyanese out earn whites as Asian Indians definitely do.
So just as you are simplistic in your analysis of blacks many Asian Indiasns are simplistic in their analysis of Guyanese Indians. So because Guyanese Indians are less likely to be high earning surgeons or have highly paid jobs in Wall Street than they are, Asian Indians attribute that to some defect among Guyanese Indians.
Druggie you promote racist views about blacks but then cry when equally simplistic analyses are used to justify ethnic bias of Asian Indians against Guyanese Indians.
And druggie if Caribbean blacks are so defective why does the average Jamaican man and woman out earn Guyanese. Even though there are far more female headed Jamaican households than Guyanese these households earn only slightly less, based upon NYC Planning data. And AfroCaribbean parents are also more likely to make their adult kids leave than are IndoCaribbean households, so there are also fewer adult kids in the households.
Druggie the issue is what ever problems black Caribbean immigrants face as they try to survive in the USA are not greater in scope than that earned by IndoCaribbean homes.
Asian Indians have HIGHER household earnings than do whites. Guyanese have earnings in line with other migrants from the non Hispanic Caribbean. Indeed when salaries for men and women are indicated, and not household earnings Trinidadians and Jamaicans earn more, so what we are seeing is that there are more wage earners in Guyanese households.
Now I invite you to prove that AfroGuyanese under perform Jamaicans. Clearly they would have to if you wish to suggest that IndoGuyanese out earn whites as Asian Indians definitely do.
So just as you are simplistic in your analysis of blacks many Asian Indiasns are simplistic in their analysis of Guyanese Indians. So because Guyanese Indians are less likely to be high earning surgeons or have highly paid jobs in Wall Street than they are, Asian Indians attribute that to some defect among Guyanese Indians.
Druggie you promote racist views about blacks but then cry when equally simplistic analyses are used to justify ethnic bias of Asian Indians against Guyanese Indians.
There has never been a comprehensive study about Jamaican and Trinidadian household vs Guyanese households. You are merely taking a broad analysis based on zip code rather than individuals, your analysis is flawed as these zip codes have high concentration of those at the lower rungs of the economic ladder and don't take into considerations those that have moved up the economic ladder and moved to the suburbs. As for the Jamaicans, you are including Russians and Eastern Europeans who are now taking over their neighborhoods Show me the study that backs up your lies.
The Asians Indians who are doctors are coming from the very best of a population of 1 billion plus people. And if you really knew the Indian Asian, you would know that they see their own Indian Asians as inferior depending on caste, economic circumstances or where they live. So don't confuse a class issue with a nationality issue.
With regards to my views on Blacks, I share the same ones as Bill Cosby so I am in good company.
. . . With regards to my views on Blacks, I share the same ones as Bill Cosby so I am in good company.
no you DON'T ! . . . i've become quite familiar with your loud, ignar braying these past couple of years
with a little more reflection and HONESTY, i'm confident u can find another [more suitable] 'place' to locate your bigotry
. . . With regards to my views on Blacks, I share the same ones as Bill Cosby so I am in good company.
no you DON'T ! . . . i've become quite familiar with your loud, ignar braying these past couple of years
with a little more reflection and HONESTY, i'm confident u can find another [more suitable] 'place' to locate your bigotry
What exactly are your bones of contention with my views on Blacks or any people as a matter of fact?
I feel people should help themselves too, not only depend on govt and other races to look out for them. Pull yourself up by the boot strap, pool their resources like other races do and uplift yourself.
You and your ilk are hell bend on pandering to errant behavior of those who feel entitles. Case and point, the Linden fiasco. How would you like to pay part of your neighbor's electric bill because they can't find work, but every day you see them drinking and sporting while leaving the lights on all day and night?
. . . With regards to my views on Blacks, I share the same ones as Bill Cosby so I am in good company.
no you DON'T ! . . . i've become quite familiar with your loud, ignar braying these past couple of years
with a little more reflection and HONESTY, i'm confident u can find another [more suitable] 'place' to locate your bigotry
What exactly are your bones of contention with my views on Blacks or any people as a matter of fact?
I feel people should help themselves too, not only depend on govt and other races to look out for them. Pull yourself up by the boot strap, pool their resources like other races do and uplift yourself.
You and your ilk are hell bend on pandering to errant behavior of those who feel entitles. Case and point, the Linden fiasco. How would you like to pay part of your neighbor's electric bill because they can't find work, but every day you see them drinking and sporting while leaving the lights on all day and night?
dankey, I have no 'bones of contention' with your views on Black people . . . this is America, even the ignorant and the bigot are free to bray
I have no intention of engaging a klown in 'debate' . . . the purpose of my post was to underline your foolishness regarding Bill Cosby
dankey, I have no 'bones of contention' with your views on Black people . . . this is America, even the ignorant and the bigot are free to bray
I have no intention of engaging a klown in 'debate' . . . the purpose of my post was to underline your foolishness regarding Bill Cosby
TK, then don't respond to my posts, put me on ignore if you feel i am not worthy.
dankey, I have no 'bones of contention' with your views on Black people . . . this is America, even the ignorant and the bigot are free to bray
I have no intention of engaging a klown in 'debate' . . . the purpose of my post was to underline your foolishness regarding Bill Cosby
TK, then don't respond to my posts, put me on ignore if you feel i am not worthy.
take all the time u need to 'chat' with "TK". . . when you are done, re-read here:
". . . the purpose of my post was to underline your foolishness regarding Bill Cosby"
kapeesh?
There has never been a comprehensive study about Jamaican and Trinidadian household vs Guyanese households. You are merely taking a broad analysis based on zip code rather than individuals, your analysis is flawed as these zip codes have high concentration of those at the lower rungs of the economic ladder and don't take into considerations those that have moved up the economic ladder and moved to the suburbs. As for the Jamaicans, you are including Russians and Eastern Europeans who are now taking over their neighborhoods Show me the study that backs up your lies.
The Asians Indians who are doctors are coming from the very best of a population of 1 billion plus people. And if you really knew the Indian Asian, you would know that they see their own Indian Asians as inferior depending on caste, economic circumstances or where they live. So don't confuse a class issue with a nationality issue.
With regards to my views on Blacks, I share the same ones as Bill Cosby so I am in good company.
Druggie there is NYC Dept of Planning info on the major immigrants groups. One can find out household income for Jamaicans, Guyanese, Trinis and Haitians. One can find out home ownership rates. One can find out the % of men and women from each country who are in the labor force as well as unmployed. One can find poverty rates. One can find out the immigrants with the highest wages, broken down by males and females, and guess what Trinis and Jamaicans make the list, Guyanese do not. Jamaican women do especially well, most likely because many are RNs.
Now given all of this if one cannot deduce that there is little difference in the socio economic status of Jamaicans (almost exclusively black), Trinidadians (more black than Indo) and Guyanese (more Indo than black), then I cannot help you.
FACT. There is no proof that you can furnish except some silly drive down Church Ave that you can use to deduce that Indo Caribbean immigrants are more successful than AfroCaribbean immigrants.
So if Bill Cosby applies to Caribbean blacks, then he also applies to Caribbean Indians, and indeed many Asian Indians might feel that way as well. I really do not think that Asian Indians think that there is much difference between Caribbean Indians and Caribbean blacks. Indeed a documentary that they prepared that was seen on PBS several years ago about NYC Asians, when they got to Liberty Ave they showed Indo kids in hip hop gear dancing to dancehall. I am sure that was deliberate.
And as to your nonsense that I am using zip code. What a laugh. I leve such shallow analysis to you. There is NO zip code in NYC which is exclusive to any one group. It is YOU who use Church Ave as a gauge to signify that AfroGuyanese are losers. I know for a fact that Guyanese blacks live all over NYC and that the reason why Church Ave is so shabby is because many do not shop there so the business suffer and that many of these businesses are not owned by Caribbean people.
BTW I am sure that similar % of Caribbean blacks and Caribbean Indians have moved to the suburbs when we consider that Caribbean blacks and Caribbean Indians have similar household incomes.
BTW Russians have HIGHER poverty rates and HIGHER usage of welafre than any group from the English speaking Caribbean and even higher than Haitians. This is despite the fact that Russian immigrants are considerably MORE educated.
With regards to my views on Blacks, I share the same ones as Bill Cosby so I am in good company.
1. Bill was talking about LOW INCOME AMERICAN blacks, so why are you applying his comments to CARIBBEAN blacks when it is a documented fact that Caribbean born blacks are better off.You use his comments directed to 30% of the AMERICAN black population to justiofy your bigotry against the other 70%.
2. If Bill knew about all the socail problems faced by Indo Caribeban youths he might have an equally dire comments. Why do you chose to ignore the fact that large numbers of IndoCaribbean youths are falling through the cracks? Even in Guyana we see high substance abuse, high suicides, spousal abuse, incest, and an incresing involvement in crime, as we see in The Corentyne where bands of Indo pirates rob the mainly Indo fishermen.
If I were you I would spend less time worrying about blacks, and more about the Indo Guyanese youths, both here and in Guyana. A Guyanese Indian social worker warned IndoGuyanese to spend less time looking down on American blacks and Puerto Ricans and look at what THEIR OWN kids were up to. I suggest that you do the same.
Druggie there is NYC Dept of Planning info on the major immigrants groups. One can find out household income for Jamaicans, Guyanese, Trinis and Haitians. One can find out home ownership rates. One can find out the % of men and women from each country who are in the labor force as well as unmployed. One can find poverty rates. One can find out the immigrants with the highest wages, broken down by males and females, and guess what Trinis and Jamaicans make the list, Guyanese do not. Jamaican women do especially well, most likely because many are RNs.
Now given all of this if one cannot deduce that there is little difference in the socio economic status of Jamaicans (almost exclusively black), Trinidadians (more black than Indo) and Guyanese (more Indo than black), then I cannot help you.
FACT. There is no proof that you can furnish except some silly drive down Church Ave that you can use to deduce that Indo Caribbean immigrants are more successful than AfroCaribbean immigrants.
So if Bill Cosby applies to Caribbean blacks, then he also applies to Caribbean Indians, and indeed many Asian Indians might feel that way as well. I really do not think that Asian Indians think that there is much difference between Caribbean Indians and Caribbean blacks. Indeed a documentary that they prepared that was seen on PBS several years ago about NYC Asians, when they got to Liberty Ave they showed Indo kids in hip hop gear dancing to dancehall. I am sure that was deliberate.
And as to your nonsense that I am using zip code. What a laugh. I leve such shallow analysis to you. There is NO zip code in NYC which is exclusive to any one group. It is YOU who use Church Ave as a gauge to signify that AfroGuyanese are losers. I know for a fact that Guyanese blacks live all over NYC and that the reason why Church Ave is so shabby is because many do not shop there so the business suffer and that many of these businesses are not owned by Caribbean people.
BTW I am sure that similar % of Caribbean blacks and Caribbean Indians have moved to the suburbs when we consider that Caribbean blacks and Caribbean Indians have similar household incomes.
BTW Russians have HIGHER poverty rates and HIGHER usage of welafre than any group from the English speaking Caribbean and even higher than Haitians. This is despite the fact that Russian immigrants are considerably MORE educated.
There is no such data available, the last census data would be more accurate but you only reference specific zip codes. Once IndoGuyanese, Blacks and Whites move up to the middle class, they move out to the suburbs, Long Island or NJ. The comparison you make is at the lower rungs of the economic ladder and is not accurate enough for you to be making such broad statements. Never did I state that AfroGs are losers, I only point to those who are brain washed by the PNC, like you.
There is no such data available, the last census data would be more accurate but you only reference specific zip codes. Once IndoGuyanese, Blacks and Whites move up to the middle class, they move out to the suburbs, Long Island or NJ. The comparison you make is at the lower rungs of the economic ladder and is not accurate enough for you to be making such broad statements. Never did I state that AfroGs are losers, I only point to those who are brain washed by the PNC, like you.
Where did I reference zip codes? I referenced specific immigrant groups.
So I take it that you went personally to the NYC Dept of Planning and they told you that they do not have any data on the major immigrant groups in NYC, which include Guyanese, Jamaicans, Trinidadians and Haitians. Well I suggest that who ever told you this thought that you are too stupid to analyze this info so didnt see why they should waste their time to direct you to where this info is available.
NYC has a large middle class, and indeed many declare that the suburbs are becoming obsolete, given high property taxes, long commutes and poor job opportunities. Aside from better public schools the CIty is better, and yes druggie many who live in NYC send their kids to other types of schools, if they cannot get them into the 10 best public high schools. Why do you think that the WHITE population in Manhattan and Brooklyn is incresing if only poor people live in the city?
90% of AfroGuyanese living in Guyana vote PNC, for reasons best known to themselves. So if you scream bad things about blacks who vote PNC then you are damning an entire group of people. Sorry cant get away with using PNC as a code word to pretend that you arent a racist.
BTW if you were to check you would see that the BULK of the Caribbean population, inclusive of Guyanese, live in the 5 boroughs. And one cannot say with certainty that those living in suburban counties are better off, given that for every affluent suburbm there is a declining suburban town.
Where did I reference zip codes? I referenced specific immigrant groups.
So I take it that you went personally to the NYC Dept of Planning and they told you that they do not have any data on the major immigrant groups in NYC, which include Guyanese, Jamaicans, Trinidadians and Haitians. Well I suggest that who ever told you this thought that you are too stupid to analyze this info so didnt see why they should waste their time to direct you to where this info is available.
NYC has a large middle class, and indeed many declare that the suburbs are becoming obsolete, given high property taxes, long commutes and poor job opportunities. Aside from better public schools the CIty is better, and yes druggie many who live in NYC send their kids to other types of schools, if they cannot get them into the 10 best public high schools. Why do you think that the WHITE population in Manhattan and Brooklyn is incresing if only poor people live in the city?
90% of AfroGuyanese living in Guyana vote PNC, for reasons best known to themselves. So if you scream bad things about blacks who vote PNC then you are damning an entire group of people. Sorry cant get away with using PNC as a code word to pretend that you arent a racist.
BTW if you were to check you would see that the BULK of the Caribbean population, inclusive of Guyanese, live in the 5 boroughs. And one cannot say with certainty that those living in suburban counties are better off, given that for every affluent suburbm there is a declining suburban town.
You are correct, in fact you didn't reference any data at all, only perception based on fuzzy math. In fact I did go to NYC dept of planning and they said they said the data that you claim to reference does not exist. I wasted my time and now I would require real proof rather than hearsay from you to give any credence to what you claim.
You are correct, in fact you didn't reference any data at all, only perception based on fuzzy math. In fact I did go to NYC dept of planning and they said they said the data that you claim to reference does not exist. I wasted my time and now I would require real proof rather than hearsay from you to give any credence to what you claim.
As I thought they think you are a moron. This a summary of one of their publications. Buy the book and you will get all the data you wish.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/ht...y_exec_sum.shtml#sao
Please note that they group Guyanese with other non Hispanic Caribbean migrants, suggesting similar socio-economic profiles, which data in that book confirm.
Admitted that the info is dated but then I very much doubt that the relative position of Guyanese vs other non Hispanic Caribbean migrants has changed.
Oh Gurdsta, you mek my hans fall banna.
Or is lie you lied to the man about going down to the Planning Dept?
Oh Gurdsta, you mek my hans fall banna.
Or is lie you lied to the man about going down to the Planning Dept?
I thought it more fun to call him a moron, but I knew full well that he lied.
Why does he continuously attempt to impress us that he is an intellectual giant I dont know. Every time he does this he confirms that he is an idiot.
As I thought they think you are a moron. This a summary of one of their publications. Buy the book and you will get all the data you wish.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/ht...y_exec_sum.shtml#sao
Please note that they group Guyanese with other non Hispanic Caribbean migrants, suggesting similar socio-economic profiles, which data in that book confirm.
Admitted that the info is dated but then I very much doubt that the relative position of Guyanese vs other non Hispanic Caribbean migrants has changed.
As I note, you are a liar, no breakout by IndoGuyanese vs AfroGuyanese, in fact no breakout by Guyanese. ahahahah
As I thought they think you are a moron. This a summary of one of their publications. Buy the book and you will get all the data you wish.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/ht...y_exec_sum.shtml#sao
Please note that they group Guyanese with other non Hispanic Caribbean migrants, suggesting similar socio-economic profiles, which data in that book confirm.
Admitted that the info is dated but then I very much doubt that the relative position of Guyanese vs other non Hispanic Caribbean migrants has changed.
As I note, you are a liar, no breakout by IndoGuyanese vs AfroGuyanese, in fact no breakout by Guyanese. ahahahah
OK I see what your problem is. When they taught Comprehension at Saintsthey chased you out of the class.
You will note that I it says SUMMARY and that I told you to go buy the book if this topic interests you.
Also were you of an analytical mind you would realize that a comparison of Jamaicans (almost all AfroCaribbean) and Guyanese (60% IndoCaribbean) would suggest, if we assume that AfroGuyanese arent less succsssful than are black Jamaicans, differences between Indo and Afro Caribbbean people,
So druggie furnish proof that AfroGuyanese are much worse off than are Jamaicans. Or you will then have explain why the data in the book, which you refuse to buy, suggests very little difference between migrants from the English speaking Caribbean, whether they come from the majority black Jamaica, or from the multi ethnic Guyana. If Indos are much better off than the data for Guyanese will show that they are much better off, but we cannot see evidence of this.
Face it druggie as you daily scream what pathological losers Caribbean blacks are, you will have to call IndoCaribbeans ditto because they arent significantly better off.
Maybe what your hero Bill says about blacks also applies to Indians. BTW you ought to know that his daughter was a drug addict, despite her highly privileged background and Bill fathered and ignored an out of wed lock child.
OK I see what your problem is. When they taught Comprehension at Saintsthey chased you out of the class.
You will note that I it says SUMMARY and that I told you to go buy the book if this topic interests you.
Also were you of an analytical mind you would realize that a comparison of Jamaicans (almost all AfroCaribbean) and Guyanese (60% IndoCaribbean) would suggest, if we assume that AfroGuyanese arent less succsssful than are black Jamaicans, differences between Indo and Afro Caribbbean people,
So druggie furnish proof that AfroGuyanese are much worse off than are Jamaicans. Or you will then have explain why the data in the book, which you refuse to buy, suggests very little difference between migrants from the English speaking Caribbean, whether they come from the majority black Jamaica, or from the multi ethnic Guyana. If Indos are much better off than the data for Guyanese will show that they are much better off, but we cannot see evidence of this.
Face it druggie as you daily scream what pathological losers Caribbean blacks are, you will have to call IndoCaribbeans ditto because they arent significantly better off.
Maybe what your hero Bill says about blacks also applies to Indians. BTW you ought to know that his daughter was a drug addict, despite her highly privileged background and Bill fathered and ignored an out of wed lock child.
First of all I am not taking your bait to argue who is better off than who. I don't even care, I have too many Black Guyanese friends who are much better off than I am to even want to go down that path. I also have Black relatives who thankfully do not follow your mantra of entitlement and pity pity po boy. They know that they have to pull themselves up by the boot strap and not depend on the "man" for pieces of crumbs to determine their success.
First of all I am not taking your bait to argue who is better off than who. I don't even care, I have too many Black Guyanese friends who are much better off than I am to even want to go down that path. I also have Black relatives who thankfully do not follow your mantra of entitlement and pity pity po boy. They know that they have to pull themselves up by the boot strap and not depend on the "man" for pieces of crumbs to determine their success.
You used to scream that all your black Guyanese friends were losers on Section 8 and welfare. I guess they read your posts and beat you up so you have had to stop lying.
I am telling you THAT THERE IS LITTLE DIFFERENCE IN THE SOCIO ECONOMIC STATUS OF iNDO VS AFRO CARIBBEAN PEOPLE in NYC. And indeed the PPP claims the same in Guyana.
The issue in Guyana is the fact that Indians had a legitimate right to complain about racism against them under Burnham. Because it did happen, Likewise blacks now have a right to make similar comments. And the fact that SOME Indians figured out how to thrive under Burnham and SOME blacks have now figured out how to thrive does not change the point.
In a multi ethnic nation one cannnot justify any discrimination of any group. Not only will the victimize group suffer, but so will members of the group who does the victimizing, even though the majority of them do not share the benefits of such bias against another ethnic group.
So who is screaming about which group is better off. YOU were the one doing so, and now you cant prove itk are trying to twist the facts.
BTW please tell nehru and all your PPP buddies to stop screamingabout Burnham because, according to you, they should have not played pity po boy.
You used to scream that all your black Guyanese friends were losers on Section 8 and welfare. I guess they read your posts and beat you up so you have had to stop lying.
I am telling you THAT THERE IS LITTLE DIFFERENCE IN THE SOCIO ECONOMIC STATUS OF iNDO VS AFRO CARIBBEAN PEOPLE in NYC. And indeed the PPP claims the same in Guyana.
The issue in Guyana is the fact that Indians had a legitimate right to complain about racism against them under Burnham. Because it did happen, Likewise blacks now have a right to make similar comments. And the fact that SOME Indians figured out how to thrive under Burnham and SOME blacks have now figured out how to thrive does not change the point.
In a multi ethnic nation one cannnot justify any discrimination of any group. Not only will the victimize group suffer, but so will members of the group who does the victimizing, even though the majority of them do not share the benefits of such bias against another ethnic group.
So who is screaming about which group is better off. YOU were the one doing so, and now you cant prove itk are trying to twist the facts.
BTW please tell nehru and all your PPP buddies to stop screamingabout Burnham because, according to you, they should have not played pity po boy.
I suppose the only AFroG that I know possibly on section 8 is you, so now I guess you are my friend. ahahaha.
You must be confusing me with someone else. I have no interest in who is better off than who, I only care about my own economic situation.
In terms of Guyana, it is far different than you claim. Indo or Afro don't matter to the PPP, it is who pay the highest bribe. How naive you are.
I suppose the only AFroG that I know possibly on section 8 is you, so now I guess you are my friend. ahahaha.
You must be confusing me with someone else. I have no interest in who is better off than who, I only care about my own economic situation.
In terms of Guyana, it is far different than you claim. Indo or Afro don't matter to the PPP, it is who pay the highest bribe. How naive you are.
You are already proven to be a liar so I really do not know whether your blacks friends are on section 8 or not. You used to scream that they all were. Now embarrassed that your racism towards blacks has been exposed you deny this.
As to the PPP and race. Hmmm so why is almost every decision maker an Indo. And ditto for almost every measure. Even when they spend in black areas they give the contracts to Indians.
And now Jagdeo goes ranting about the POOR SUFFERING INDIAN. Back on the estate, bare foot and illiterate, or so one would believe if they listened to his rage. Druggie tell him to drop the pity talk, as after all he stole millions (US).
I am also very aware that the average Indo gets NOTHING from the PPP. So why do they support them, and why is this blind support any different from the blacks who similarly blindly support the PNC?
You are already proven to be a liar so I really do not know whether your blacks friends are on section 8 or not. You used to scream that they all were. Now embarrassed that your racism towards blacks has been exposed you deny this.
As to the PPP and race. Hmmm so why is almost every decision maker an Indo. And ditto for almost every measure. Even when they spend in black areas they give the contracts to Indians.
And now Jagdeo goes ranting about the POOR SUFFERING INDIAN. Back on the estate, bare foot and illiterate, or so one would believe if they listened to his rage. Druggie tell him to drop the pity talk, as after all he stole millions (US).
I am also very aware that the average Indo gets NOTHING from the PPP. So why do they support them, and why is this blind support any different from the blacks who similarly blindly support the PNC?
You are the biggest fabricator of surveys to denigrate Indians.
The Indians support the PPP because of all the years of punishment under the PNC. Also important is that the PNC continue to turn off the Indians by their slow fiah mo fiah and "we fed up of de koolie" chants.
You are the biggest fabricator of surveys to denigrate Indians.
I see that to suggest that IndoCaribbean immigrants in NYC are doing about as well as are AfroCaribbean immigrants in your eyes "denigrates" Indians.
Clearly it must because you think that blacks are an inferior species of subhumans and so any suggestion that they do no worse than IndoCaribbeans must be an insult to the latter.
Daily you reveal that you are as every bit as racist as skeldonman and the others. I know you cant help yourself being an ardent PPP supporter.
Understand something. The PPP uses the SAME methods of ethnic exclusion that the PNC used. The fact that some AfroGuyanese are very successful DESPITE this is of no more relevance than the fact that some IndoGuyanese also succeeded under Burnham despite the widely publicized evidence of anti Indian behavior.
The PPP and the PNC are both creatures of our Ethnic Insecurity Dilemma. They use the insecurities of their rank and file supporters to justify dictatorial behavior to all, INCLUDING THEIR OWN supporters. One will note that the PNC treated AfroGuyanese opponents even worse than they treated Indians. Much as today the PPP does the same to IndoGuyanese opponents.
Now if that is denigrating Indians you have no idea what that word means.
Just as the PPP turns off blacks and mixed voters by promoting and printing the notion that blacks are criminals, violent, uneducated, unambitious and exist only to assault Indians.
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