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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:


The people voted for change .

Not the PPP landslide that you boasted about.

No! They didn't get a landslide.

The AFC screwed them.. No watch how we are going to screw the AFC by using APNU.

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by warrior:
i am glad that APNU DID GREAT now i hope they donnot waste it

Thats is the best you can hope, but to claim that the AFC is more pwerful than APNU makes you look rather silly.

APNU was able to get their people out to vote. They got 4,000 more votes in region 3 and 10,and 12,500 in region 4. This increase in votes was more than the loss in votes by the PPP and AFC in region 4 and the PPP in region 3.

In fact aside from regions 5 and 6 AFC didnt do well at all. So even if the plan was to blunt the PPP they failed to do so in region 2,and 3. Note taht region 3 is almost as important as region 6.

The AFC focused on two regions, ignored the others, and either lost votes (regions 4 and 10) or only minimally improved their poistion (regions 2 and 3).

So quit whining because APNU got out their voters, and took votes from the AFC. They worked for those votes. The AFC didnt.

The AFC needs to decide what they want to be. Do they want to be a party which attracts the votes of people upset with the party which they traditionally vote for (PNC in 2006, PPP in 2011). Or do they want to attract a PERMANENT base of voters who arte sick of both parties.

We don't need you to tell us what to do, we know what we have and have not. AFC is not a lapdog of the APNU. The AFC alone can decide which bills pass and which don't, and you cannot do anything about it. The PPP only needs one vote and the have their way. Marginal power is what matters, not brute force and ignoramous. AFC has marginal power, that's REAL power.

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Originally posted by baseman:
We don't need you to tell us what to do, we know what we have and have not. .

Go back to the PPP where you belong. Nigel Hughes will not let you hijack the AFC.

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:


The AFC screwed them.. No watch how we are going to screw the AFC by using APNU.

No they didnt. If APNU didnt pull out their supporters in large numbers you will still would have had the majority. The 7,700 votes AFC got in region 6 would not have been enough to deny that.

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by baseman:
We don't need you to tell us what to do, we know what we have and have not. .

Go back to the PPP where you belong. Nigel Hughes will not let you hijack the AFC.

Bai, I thought you said AFC was an Indo party.

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Originally posted by baseman:
AFC has marginal power, that's REAL power.

baseman I have analyzed teh votes compared to 2006. What made the difference this time was the huge turnout for APNU in regions 4. 5 and 10, which way exceeded AFC gains in region 6. Had this not happened the PPP would have won the majorioty vote.

Maybe if AFC hadnt forgotten about those regions they would have received 20% and would have been better able to play the role you wish that they can play.

The way it looks is if the PPP placates the sugar workers they will be back in majority, if APNU fails to turn out their supporters next time.

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Originally posted by baseman:
Bai, I thought you said AFC was an Indo party.

They gave that appearance thanks to people like you with your unending focus on region 6. Hopefully they have learnt their lesson.

Nigel has already begun to speak about African voters. Evidently he isnt unhappy that they turned out, even though it wasnt for the AFC.

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by baseman:
Bai, I thought you said AFC was an Indo party.

They gave that appearance thanks to people like you with your unending focus on region 6. Hopefully they have learnt their lesson.

Nigel has already begun to speak about African voters. Evidently he isnt unhappy that they turned out, even though it wasnt for the AFC.

Banna, you have no clue, baseman was always taking about a frontal attack on the APNU for months as I thought our laser focus on the PPP left the APNU the freedom to regroup in 4 and 10. I always contend, even on this blog, the APNU was an equal enemy as the PPP. Unfortnately due to various reasons, including funding, the focus, rightfully so, was on the PPP areas as it made no sense to take APNU voters and have the PPP slide in over 51%. It was a choice and gamble given limited resources. Tell me, how would it have been today had AFC brought APNU to low 30's and the PPP get...say 53%. We were just the little Raptor dealing with T-Rex and Brachiosauria.

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Originally posted by baseman:

Banna, you have no clue, baseman was always taking about a frontal attack on the APNU for months as I thought our laser focus on the PPP left the APNU the freedom to regroup in 4 and 10. .

Yet when I warned that the AFC was neglected regions 3, 4, and 10 you called me "APNU", then you called me "PPP".

If teh AFC was as successful in getting blacks and mixed voters out in regions 3, 4 and 10 as APNU was then they would ahve had more votes, more seats and a stronger position to negotiate from. Now with 7 seats they can only play footsie with either the PPP or the PNC as a swing vote. In other words the PPP or APNU say something and the AFC might say "yes" or "no". They lack the strength to terrify either party to listen to them if their perspectives differ.

I am not so sure that APNU is that unhappy that they are a strong opposition party again. I am sure the current theatrics is more aimed at grass roots black voters than in any belief that they can have a recount without specific evidnece of fraud...which they apparently dont have.

Right now the AFC has a problem. Aside from a diminished core from 2006 who voted for them again....their support is soft, more reflecting dismay at the PPP than an attraction to them. It can disappear just as quickly as their 2006 Afro/mixed vote did unless they start winning people who dont like either party, instead of being a refuge for those who are temporarily angry with their own.

This election wa sthe flip of last one. Last time Afros stayed home, or spli votes. This time Indos stayed home or spli votes. 2,000 fewer people voted in region 6 vs last time. Ditto regions 2 and 5. Region 3 saw increased votes only due to APNU activity.

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by baseman:
AFC has marginal power, that's REAL power.

baseman I have analyzed teh votes compared to 2006. What made the difference this time was the huge turnout for APNU in regions 4. 5 and 10, which way exceeded AFC gains in region 6. Had this not happened the PPP would have won the majorioty vote.

Maybe if AFC hadnt forgotten about those regions they would have received 20% and would have been better able to play the role you wish that they can play.

The way it looks is if the PPP placates the sugar workers they will be back in majority, if APNU fails to turn out their supporters next time.

Without analysis ( and that is yet to be done and cannot be done without the 2000 or so SOPs) one can say the AFC Improved their position and the APNU did similarly. They are different parties. APNU is a race based party no less than the PPP. YOU can yammer all you want that is not so but that is a fact. The AFC would have had a more balanced support than either group. Anyone voting for them has rejected the race based paradigm.

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Originally posted by D2:
APNU is a race based party no less than the PPP. .

Which is exactly why analysis is possible. If APNU gains its because they mobilized the African/mixed voters in regions 3, 4, and 10. No need to do a village by village count. The very composition of their well publicized meetings guaranteed scant likelighood of increased Indian support.

Voter turnout was down in regions 2, 5 and 6. APNU held their own in those regions, vs 2006, so again we know who did not vote.


We hear that Nagamootoo made a huge difference for AFC. Indeed the only regions where AFC made net gains was in regions 5 and 6. Not in the heavily Indian 2 and 3. Now one can argue whether their loss in votes in region 4 was due to a bigger drop in support among African/mixed which offset gains in teh Indian. The slight drop in PPP support in region 4 suggests not.

It appears as if sugar workers wanted to send the PPP a message and maybe Nagamootoo gave them the courage to do so. No evidence that these folks will not drift back "home" as did many 2006 AFC supporters if they feel happier about their parties leadership.

Had AFC pulled 25% of the votes they would ahve been in a stronger position to claim the beginings of a permanent AFC constituency. But we havent seen that.

The AFC focus on region 6 hurt them, not only with their base in the African/mixed, but also a failure to make inroads into Indian votes in regions 2, 3, and maybe 4, as they did in 5 and 6.

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by D2:
APNU is a race based party no less than the PPP. .

Which is exactly why analysis is possible. If APNU gains its because they mobilized the African/mixed voters in regions 3, 4, and 10. No need to do a village by village count. The very composition of their well publicized meetings guaranteed scant likelighood of increased Indian support.

Voter turnout was down in regions 2, 5 and 6. APNU held their own in those regions so again we know who didnot vote.


Alas we hear that Nagamootoo made a huge difference for AFC. Indeed the only regions where AFC made net gains was in regions 5 and 6. Not in the heavily Indian 2 and 3. Now one can argue whther their loss in votes was due to a bigger drop in support among African/mixed which offset gains in teh Indian. The slight drop in PPP support in region 4 suggests not.

The fact remains that a full 10 percent and a lucky tipping margin abjured both so we have a stalemate. There is hardly any place else for the APNU to gain more votes to gain the winning numbers. The AFC can continue to poach from both and now they will have the time Amerinds since their pool is about defection from a race based paradigm.

We need to be speaking of what is to be gained by this stalemate of the ethnic identified parties. The future is about reconciling those two blocks into a workable consensus that benefits both. The shuffling of numbers is not for shuffling the numbers sake. It is for arriving at administrative solutions by those who gained seats at the elections.

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Originally posted by D2:
The fact remains that a full 10 percent The AFC can continue to poach from both s.

Well they are not. In 2006 PNC supporters were angry with Corbin, so many refused to vote and some others selected AFC.

In 2011 many PPP supporters were anry with Jagdeo/Ramotar and there was disaffection in the sugar belt. So many refused to vote, or spli their votes.

The biggest difference between 2006 and 2011 was high voter turnout this year, virtually all due to APNU.

Can the AFC survive if its votes come from people who support them to teach the party which the normally support a lesson. In fact many of AFC's 2011 supporters will quickly flee if they think that the AFC is too close to APNU.

And if the AFC is too close to the PPP then those who perceive that they have been hijcaked by ex ROAR/PPP supporters will feel vindiacted.

Unlike the PPP and APNU the AFC doesnt seem to have a large core support base to rely on, and build from.

That which they got this time can flee as quickly as that which they got last time, if conditions in the party which they historically have supported begin to change.

Expect the PPP to really focus on mending fences with its Berbician supporters.

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by baseman:
AFC has marginal power, that's REAL power.

baseman I have analyzed teh votes compared to 2006. What made the difference this time was the huge turnout for APNU in regions 4. 5 and 10, which way exceeded AFC gains in region 6. Had this not happened the PPP would have won the majorioty vote.

Maybe if AFC hadnt forgotten about those regions they would have received 20% and would have been better able to play the role you wish that they can play.

The way it looks is if the PPP placates the sugar workers they will be back in majority, if APNU fails to turn out their supporters next time.

Forget about your analysis, it's irrelevant with regards to real influence. In 2006 the PPP was a comfortable majority party so what the AFC or PNC scored were hallow. Today we could talk because the AFC has the PPP below 50%. That's a whole different ball game.

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Originally posted by IGH:
Hope I am not like Christopher Columbus...

Taken From Donald Ramotar's FB page:

Donald Ramotar
The Cabinet Members are:
Sam Hinds - Prime Minister
Irfaan Ali - Minister of Housing and Water
Frank Anthony - Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports
Ali Baksh - Minister within Ministry of Agriculture
Robson Benn - Minister of Public Works
Carolyn Rodrigues - Minister of Foreign Affairs
Bishop Juan Edgill - Minister within the Ministry of Finance
Nanda Gopaul - Minister of Labor
Priya Manickchand - Minister of Education
Anil Nandlall - Attorney General and Minister of Legal Affairs
Ganga Persaud – Minister of Local Government and Regional Development
Robert Persaud – Minister of Natural Resources and Environment
Leslie Ramsammy – Minister of Agriculture
Beri Ramsarran – Minister of Health
Clement Rohee – Minister of Home Affairs
Ashni Singh – Minister of Finance
Pauline Sukhai – Minister of Amerindian Affairs
Jennifer Webster – Minister of Human Services and Social Security
Jennifer Westford – Minister of Public Services
Norman Whittaker – Minister within the Ministry of Local Government and Regional Development

The cabinet looks inclusive to me.. It's truly a National one..