VishMahabir posted:

VishMahabir posted:

antabanta posted:

The accusation that PNC must rig is based on the conceited assumption that PPP will win because their supporters are docile sheep and will ignore the PPP's two decades of corruption, nepotism, and not only association with but dependence on known criminals.

Others might, I am not making that assumption...

your argument flies in the face of history...guess the PNC in your eyes done wid dem old ways...suddenly now turn Angels in defense of democracy.. its too early to make that assumption because we have not seen an "institutionalization"  of this tradition in Guyana, and elections are generally contested. 

PPP's corruption and nepotism has nothing to do with this...you people are using this as a straw man to argue that the opposition should not be elected to office...because of their past...thats not yours or my decision to make...its the people vote...

"The accusation that PNC must rig is based on the conceited assumption that PPP will win"

Nonsense...you know better...its based on a historical practice...certified by international observers...

But we must discount the well-known and established corruption of the PPP?

antabanta posted:

VishMahabir posted:

VishMahabir posted:

antabanta posted:

The accusation that PNC must rig is based on the conceited assumption that PPP will win because their supporters are docile sheep and will ignore the PPP's two decades of corruption, nepotism, and not only association with but dependence on known criminals.

Others might, I am not making that assumption...

your argument flies in the face of history...guess the PNC in your eyes done wid dem old ways...suddenly now turn Angels in defense of democracy.. its too early to make that assumption because we have not seen an "institutionalization"  of this tradition in Guyana, and elections are generally contested. 

PPP's corruption and nepotism has nothing to do with this...you people are using this as a straw man to argue that the opposition should not be elected to office...because of their past...thats not yours or my decision to make...its the people vote...

"The accusation that PNC must rig is based on the conceited assumption that PPP will win"

Nonsense...you know better...its based on a historical practice...certified by international observers...

But we must discount the well-known and established corruption of the PPP?

Multiple general election rigging by the PNC and their corruption are like comparing apples and oranges when you refer to the PPP. PNC election rigging...a more serious crime.

skeldon_man posted:

Multiple general election rigging by the PNC and their corruption are like comparing apples and oranges when you refer to the PPP. PNC election rigging...a more serious crime.

Is that a fact? Which is the apple and which the orange? The PNC's corruption pales in comparison to the PPP's blatant disregard for law and order. They didn't just disregard it. The embraced chaos in the country. How else could they distract from what they were really doing?

VishMahabir posted:

ronan posted:

VishMahabir posted:

 

I am absolutely certain that the coalition (PNC primarily) is taking steps to rig the election, given the fact that the last one was a close election and new parties may siphoon off a handful of votes away from the coalition. They have to have a plan to ensure that the PPP does not get back into office, at least not when the stakes are so high.

The Minister of Citizenship, which is responsible for determining citizenship and issuing birth certificates is in a position to facilitate the rigging.

based on what sir?

'ah doan trust dem' is not a credible reason

that's labbaspeak when he was caught with a backpack full of lies and disinformation

you tek a public sh!t here and call it "evidence"

smfh

"I am absolutely certain..."

 

Writings on the wall bro....do i need to spell it out?

 

-Hammie cussin Carter Center (preemptive strike to prevent observers)...not to mention his physical threats to Carter

-Felix... "the caught on tape fella"...in charge of birth certificate

-Coalition won by one vote....possibly diminished now with AFC losing support

-Small parties capturing handful of coalition votes

-Oil money near flowing...stakes are high

-Poor showing at LGE

-History history and history of rigging

-Beware...Jagdeo and the PPP are bloodsuckers, not good enough to get their corrupt hands on government

-Granger's infatuation with Burnhamism.. .

 

Tek you pick......Plenty evidence, and a pattern to suit....as foolish as Guyanese may be....dem know there is a foul smell in de air...some gon throw their hands in de air, others gon hold their nose and smile...after the election.

You dont think Jagdeo have a right to be nervous? 

Dat is solid logic bai Vish. Dem one love bais will try foh rig foh true. Dem bais now control Gecom. Hey hey hey...

VishMahabir posted:

VishMahabir posted:

antabanta posted:

The accusation that PNC must rig is based on the conceited assumption that PPP will win because their supporters are docile sheep and will ignore the PPP's two decades of corruption, nepotism, and not only association with but dependence on known criminals.

Others might, I am not making that assumption...

your argument flies in the face of history...guess the PNC in your eyes done wid dem old ways...suddenly now turn Angels in defense of democracy.. its too early to make that assumption because we have not seen an "institutionalization"  of this tradition in Guyana, and elections are generally contested. 

PPP's corruption and nepotism has nothing to do with this...you people are using this as a straw man to argue that the opposition should not be elected to office...because of their past...thats not yours or my decision to make...its the people vote...

"The accusation that PNC must rig is based on the conceited assumption that PPP will win"

Nonsense...you know better...its based on a historical practice...certified by international observers...

So the fact that elections were rigged in the 1970's and 80's means that they will be rigged this time around? It seems like I've been giving you too much credit for a little bit of intelligence. I may have to rethink my position.

Mars posted:

VishMahabir posted:

e...certified by international observers...

So the fact that elections were rigged in the 1970's and 80's means that they will be rigged this time around? It seems like I've been giving you too much credit for a little bit intelligence. I may have to rethink my position.

Hey hey hey...like yuh miss Hammie letter bai...hey hey hey.

cain posted:

VishMahabir posted:

............your argument flies in the face of history...guess the PNC in your eyes done wid dem old ways...suddenly now turn Angels in defense of democracy.. its too early to make that assumption because we have not seen an "institutionalization"  of this tradition in Guyana, and elections are generally contested. 

PPP's corruption and nepotism has nothing to do with this...you people are using this as a straw man to argue that the opposition should not be elected to office...because of their past...thats not yours or my decision to make...its the people vote...

You better go over your post.

You don't accept the fact the  PNC made errors in dem ole ways and must have suddenly turn angels but do accept the PPP's past should be of no consequence?

They both made grade errors...and Jagdeo and the PPP made more, and were the more corrupt ones (I made reference to that before...)...

But there is a barefacedness here...both sides claim to moral arbiters, but many skeletons in their closet...

You cant make an argument about how good or different you are today by harping or referring the opposition and say they did worse...this is what Django has done with his long intrusive quote...we need to raise the bar...

antabanta posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Multiple general election rigging by the PNC and their corruption are like comparing apples and oranges when you refer to the PPP. PNC election rigging...a more serious crime.

Is that a fact? Which is the apple and which the orange? The PNC's corruption pales in comparison to the PPP's blatant disregard for law and order. They didn't just disregard it. The embraced chaos in the country. How else could they distract from what they were really doing?

This is the problem with you knuckleheads...

you ant see your toes because your beer belly is in the way...

when you get into this tit for tat argument...you miss the ball...by a mile

Why measure malfeasance and questionable practices today by PPP standards????...

VishMahabir posted:

antabanta posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Multiple general election rigging by the PNC and their corruption are like comparing apples and oranges when you refer to the PPP. PNC election rigging...a more serious crime.

Is that a fact? Which is the apple and which the orange? The PNC's corruption pales in comparison to the PPP's blatant disregard for law and order. They didn't just disregard it. The embraced chaos in the country. How else could they distract from what they were really doing?

This is the problem with you knuckleheads...

you ant see your toes because your beer belly is in the way...

when you get into this tit for tat argument...you miss the ball...by a mile

Why measure malfeasance and questionable practices today by PPP standards????...

Right. I'm 6' tall, 175 pounds with a six pack abs. I not only see my toes but can touch them. The people on GNI who are acquainted with me can vouch. Despite my being a knucklehead, either you did not read my comment or don't understand it. Allow me to reiterate.

The accusation that PNC must rig is based on the conceited assumption that PPP will win because their supporters are docile sheep and will ignore the PPP's two decades of corruption, nepotism, and not only association with but dependence on known criminals.

You subsequently summarily dismissed the corruption, etc. of the PPP over the recent two decades as unimportant while contending that the PNC's infractions over thirty years ago are significant. Pray tell, Knucklehead, where is the measuring of malfeasance and questionable practices by PPP's standards? While you're at it, take some time to bring me up to speed on what the ball is.

antabanta posted:

Your conviction of the actions of the PNC based on their past while chastising my opinion of the PPP based in their past is nothing short of hilarious. PPP's corruption and nepotism has much to do with the fact that many PPP supporters are not as stupid as you want to think and can see the PPP for what they are. [Assumption: the country is divided by race, if Irfaan was an angel he would not garner Afro votes] Your contention that the people will vote the PPP into office but only by rigging can the PNC retain office is even more hilarious. Your logic is conflicting. Why have you decided to discount the PPP's performance in office in the recent two decades as a factor in the elections while propagating the PNC's performance thirty years ago is significant? [Because the coalition has not done anything to reduce the racial divide] Please explain the logic behind this reasoning.

Dude…lets keep this simple…

My contention is that the PNC will rig if they have to (given past practice and current concerns)

…. I provided the “evidence” from previous behavior. There is nothing about the behavior of these politicians that convince me otherwise (coalition, opposition).  I am questioning the assumption of people like Django who said that the PNC don’t have to rig to win an election. 

Nowhere in my post did I intimate that the PPP will win …that’s your assumption because like the typical Guyanese, yall cant seem to get over this PNC/PPP race thing.

Mars posted:

So the fact that elections were rigged in the 1970's and 80's means that they will be rigged this time around? It seems like I've been giving you too much credit for a little bit of intelligence. I may have to rethink my position.

"Little bit of intelligence"...means I still gat some..

Yes, that is a part of it...but consider this...

[ this is like me saying that since the PPP was corrupt in the past, they will not be corrupt if elected today...you buy that argument?] If your answer is NO, consider this...

the coalition will not want to find itself with a 1 seat majority...this created too many headaches for them.

I say again...Guyanese would be naive to believe that there is not a Plan B in place...

Ask Kissoon to do a poll to see how many people believe the PNC will rig if they have to...I can predict the response...its beyond a perception... 

VishMahabir posted:

Mars posted:

So the fact that elections were rigged in the 1970's and 80's means that they will be rigged this time around? It seems like I've been giving you too much credit for a little bit of intelligence. I may have to rethink my position.

"Little bit of intelligence"...means I still gat some..

Yes, that is a part of it...but consider this...

[ this is like me saying that since the PPP was corrupt in the past, they will not be corrupt if elected today...you buy that argument?] If your answer is NO, consider this...

the coalition will not want to find itself with a 1 seat majority...this created too many headaches for them.

I say again...Guyanese would be naive to believe that there is not a Plan B in place...

Ask Kissoon to do a poll to see how many people believe the PNC will rig if they have to...I can predict the response...its beyond a perception... 

Vish, tell him, you don't need Django lesson you have it right.

VishMahabir posted:

antabanta posted:

Your conviction of the actions of the PNC based on their past while chastising my opinion of the PPP based in their past is nothing short of hilarious. PPP's corruption and nepotism has much to do with the fact that many PPP supporters are not as stupid as you want to think and can see the PPP for what they are. [Assumption: the country is divided by race, if Irfaan was an angel he would not garner Afro votes] Your contention that the people will vote the PPP into office but only by rigging can the PNC retain office is even more hilarious. Your logic is conflicting. Why have you decided to discount the PPP's performance in office in the recent two decades as a factor in the elections while propagating the PNC's performance thirty years ago is significant? [Because the coalition has not done anything to reduce the racial divide] Please explain the logic behind this reasoning.

Dude…lets keep this simple…

My contention is that the PNC will rig if they have to (given past practice and current concerns)

…. I provided the “evidence” from previous behavior. There is nothing about the behavior of these politicians that convince me otherwise (coalition, opposition).  I am questioning the assumption of people like Django who said that the PNC don’t have to rig to win an election. 

Nowhere in my post did I intimate that the PPP will win …that’s your assumption because like the typical Guyanese, yall cant seem to get over this PNC/PPP race thing.

 

Simplicity is great. Thank you for labeling me a typical Guyanese. And Knucklehead. Do you understand why some people have to resort to such labels when in a discussion? Think about it.

To respond to your points. The last presidential election proved a diminishing of the racial division. Hence, the PPP lost. You may be tempted to argue that the coalition won by rigging (re: your conviction that the current administration can only win by rigging) but you cannot provide any evidence. That argument is based on the erroneous assumption that ALL indo-Guyanese are happy with the PPP. You are probably not aware that Afro-Guyanese are generally less racist than Indo-Guyanese. Any PPP candidate has a greater chance of attracting Afro votes than any coalition candidate has of attracting Indo votes. That's a fact.

How does the status quo of the racial divide discount the PPP's performance over the recent decades but makes the PNC's performance thirty years ago significant?

The coalition does not have to rig to win the election for three reasons:1. Demographics have changed dramatically. 2. They did not have to rig to win the last election. 3. The PPP's performance over two decades in power is far from stellar. If your argument is that the PNC has to rig to win, isn't the inference that the PPP will win without the PNC's rigging? That is clear intimation that the PPP will win. It's simple.

antabanta posted:

 

Right. I'm 6' tall, 175 pounds with a six pack abs. I not only see my toes but can touch them. The people on GNI who are acquainted with me can vouch. Despite my being a knucklehead, either you did not read my comment or don't understand it. Allow me to reiterate.

1. Good for you…

The accusation that PNC must rig is based on the conceited assumption that PPP will win because their supporters are docile sheep and will ignore the PPP's two decades of corruption, nepotism, and not only association with but dependence on known criminals.

OK…so let me ask this:

• Do you think the PNC are suddenly angels who now, given a historical pattern, will take a chance that they may loose the election in 2020 without resorting to a Plan B?
• Do you really believe that all of those people who were concerned about 2 decades of PPP corruption and nepotism are seeing the light and that they will cast their vote for the PNC and AFC?

You are as naive as they come...

VishMahabir posted:

antabanta posted:

 

Right. I'm 6' tall, 175 pounds with a six pack abs. I not only see my toes but can touch them. The people on GNI who are acquainted with me can vouch. Despite my being a knucklehead, either you did not read my comment or don't understand it. Allow me to reiterate.

1. Good for you…

Thank you.

The accusation that PNC must rig is based on the conceited assumption that PPP will win because their supporters are docile sheep and will ignore the PPP's two decades of corruption, nepotism, and not only association with but dependence on known criminals.

OK…so let me ask this:

• Do you think the PNC are suddenly angels who now, given a historical pattern, will take a chance that they may loose the election in 2020 without resorting to a Plan B?
• Do you really believe that all of those people who were concerned about 2 decades of PPP corruption and nepotism are seeing the light and that they will cast their vote for the PNC and AFC?

You are as naive as they come...

Shouldn't you know me more before flinging out all these labels? So far we have knucklehead, typical Guyanese, and now naive. I would recommend you take a step back considering you know nothing about me.

Point 1. If they did not need a plan B in 2015, why would they need one in 2020?

Point 2. Are you saying that Indo-Guyanese are too docile and ill-informed to not be aware of the criminality the PPP represents? Did these same people not see the light in 2015?

antabanta posted:

You are probably not aware that Afro-Guyanese are generally less racist than Indo-Guyanese. Any PPP candidate has a greater chance of attracting Afro votes than any coalition candidate has of attracting Indo votes. That's a fact.

 

Bai doh is de biggest LAFF me get foh de month? Dem blackman vote foh dem mattie at 99% in de lass eleckshun. Dem collies touch 86%. Hey hey hey. Awww...dem is all one lovers like Carib and Snowier dan though...hey hey hey 

Labba posted:

antabanta posted:

You are probably not aware that Afro-Guyanese are generally less racist than Indo-Guyanese. Any PPP candidate has a greater chance of attracting Afro votes than any coalition candidate has of attracting Indo votes. That's a fact.

 

Bai doh is de biggest LAFF me get foh de month? Dem blackman vote foh dem mattie at 99% in de lass eleckshun. Dem collies touch 86%. Hey hey hey. Awww...dem is all one lovers like Carib and Snowier dan though...hey hey hey 

So you saying most blacks and some Indians voted against the PPP in 2015? When you done laff, tell abie wah mek da happen.

antabanta posted:

 

 

 

 

To respond to your points. The last presidential election proved a diminishing of the racial division. Hence, the PPP lost.

Does that condition still hold? Are Guyanese more united today? I guess your informed views will challenge those of the GHRA, TI, social observers, etc..

You may be tempted to argue that the coalition won by rigging (re: your conviction that the current administration can only win by rigging) but you cannot provide any evidence.

Here we go again…you miss the point…

You are probably not aware that Afro-Guyanese are generally less racist than Indo-Guyanese.

Not from what I am reading here on this site daily…there is an imbalance yes, but there is a great divide and anger from both sides…BTW: what scientific evidence are you basing this statement on?

Any PPP candidate has a greater chance of attracting Afro votes than any coalition candidate has of attracting Indo votes. That's a fact.

LOL…and WOW!…scientific data par excellence…or Houdini magic…where is the evidence?

 The coalition does not have to rig to win the election for three reasons:1. Demographics have changed dramatically. 2. They did not have to rig to win the last election. 3. The PPP's performance over two decades in power is far from stellar. If your argument is that the PNC has to rig to win, isn't the inference that the PPP will win without the PNC's rigging? That is clear intimation that the PPP will win. It's simple.

More piffle…or puffery…demographics changed…yes…but a revived coalition will not take a chance of winning with a one seat majority…what evidence you have that suggest that there is no Plan B…are there not discontented supporters who are dissatisfied with what this government has done since 2015, who might be tempted to throw their lot elsewhere…just as how you are so enormously certain that the PPP has lost votes?  

antabanta posted:

VishMahabir posted:

antabanta posted:

 

Right. I'm 6' tall, 175 pounds with a six pack abs. I not only see my toes but can touch them. The people on GNI who are acquainted with me can vouch. Despite my being a knucklehead, either you did not read my comment or don't understand it. Allow me to reiterate.

1. Good for you…

Thank you.

The accusation that PNC must rig is based on the conceited assumption that PPP will win because their supporters are docile sheep and will ignore the PPP's two decades of corruption, nepotism, and not only association with but dependence on known criminals.

OK…so let me ask this:

• Do you think the PNC are suddenly angels who now, given a historical pattern, will take a chance that they may loose the election in 2020 without resorting to a Plan B?
• Do you really believe that all of those people who were concerned about 2 decades of PPP corruption and nepotism are seeing the light and that they will cast their vote for the PNC and AFC?

You are as naive as they come...

Shouldn't you know me more before flinging out all these labels? So far we have knucklehead, typical Guyanese, and now naive. I would recommend you take a step back considering you know nothing about me.

Point 1. If they did not need a plan B in 2015, why would they need one in 2020?

Point 2. Are you saying that Indo-Guyanese are too docile and ill-informed to not be aware of the criminality the PPP represents? Did these same people not see the light in 2015?

Banna...stop with your foolishness

1...How do you know there wasnt one in 2015? If I am mistaken...how are you so CERTAIN there wont be a plan next election? 

2. Partially, yes...Indos will vote primarily for the leader of that party, same for Afros and the PNC...and those concerned about criminality will weigh that against what they experienced since 2015...

Gilbakka posted:

Ronan posted:

Gilbakka, like plenty here drinking deep from the race CUP done gone cynic tribal and isn't even pretending at reason anymore

Ro, I'm sorry you've got that impression but it's not true. For starters, I don't believe the PPP is all about race. And I don't believe that Jagdeo is the PPP's be-all-and-end-all. But I definitely think that the PPP needs him now. And, yes, I am convinced the PNC hasn't changed its power-drinking pre-1992 undemocratic ways. Granger fooled me in 2015. Nevermore. Nothing to do with race.

That is way much words than that fool deserves. He cares not for decency but only for his mattee to remain in power even if it is illegally.

VishMahabir posted:

Right. I'm 6' tall, 175 pounds with a six pack abs. I not only see my toes but can touch them. The people on GNI who are acquainted with me can vouch. Despite my being a knucklehead, either you did not read my comment or don't understand it. Allow me to reiterate.

1. Good for you…

The accusation that PNC must rig is based on the conceited assumption that PPP will win because their supporters are docile sheep and will ignore the PPP's two decades of corruption, nepotism, and not only association with but dependence on known criminals.

OK…so let me ask this:

• Do you think the PNC are suddenly angels who now, given a historical pattern, will take a chance that they may loose the election in 2020 without resorting to a Plan B?
• Do you really believe that all of those people who were concerned about 2 decades of PPP corruption and nepotism are seeing the light and that they will cast their vote for the PNC and AFC?

You are as naive as they come...

sir, what exactly is the “historical pattern” of “PNC” you have fastened on to?

the last election rigged by “PNC” was 34 years ago [BEFORE YOU WERE BORN] under Desmond Hoyle who then scrapped the planned marriage of the communist PPP and the communist PNC agreed-upon just before kabaka kicked the bucket

oh yes, on the way to 1992, Hoyle abandoned “Burnhamism” (PNC communism) and placed Guyana on the path of market-oriented economic reform 

so, let’s talk about the “historical pattern” of the PPP . . . from the fellow-traveling Stalinist days to [CURRENT] Yeltsinite tiefmanism and murderous druglordism under bharrat jagdeo

yes, let’s talk about the “stakes” and the charandass gambit by the PPP to coerce ‘elections’ with a “rigged” voters roll

let’s talk about the multiple LG elections that the PPP refused to hold in violation of the Constitution because they could not win the big municipalities . . . they choose to control those through IMCs

how are we defining “rigging” again?

yes, let’s talk about Gocool Boodhoo and PPP rigging operations in 2011 and 2015

and finally, let’s talk about the two RECENT, clean LG elections held under the auspices of “PNC” . . .  that PPP ‘won”

oh wait . . . you want to talk about a dictator dead before you were born

my bad

this is the last rodeo for the jagdeoite scum . . . that’s where your “taking a chance” ruminations should be directed

banna, you not ready for prime time

smfh

iT IS SIMPLE: EGG SUCKING dogs WILL CONTIUE TO SUCK EGG!!!!!!!!

VishMahabir posted:

Banna...stop with your foolishness

1...How do you know there wasnt one in 2015? If I am mistaken...how are you so CERTAIN there wont be a plan next election? 

2. Partially, yes...Indos will vote primarily for the leader of that party, same for Afros and the PNC...and those concerned about criminality will weigh that against what they experienced since 2015...

1. How do you know there was one? I recommend you stop asking me for evidence of absence. I doubt you understand what that means. Please look it up.
2. Ah. So you are saying that Indos will vote PPP and Afros will vote PNC. What's the matter? Are you unable to get over this PNC/PPP race thing?

VishMahabir posted:

To respond to your points. The last presidential election proved a diminishing of the racial division. Hence, the PPP lost.

Does that condition still hold? Are Guyanese more united today? I guess your informed views will challenge those of the GHRA, TI, social observers, etc..

You may be tempted to argue that the coalition won by rigging (re: your conviction that the current administration can only win by rigging) but you cannot provide any evidence.

Here we go again…you miss the point…

You are probably not aware that Afro-Guyanese are generally less racist than Indo-Guyanese.

Not from what I am reading here on this site daily…there is an imbalance yes, but there is a great divide and anger from both sides…BTW: what scientific evidence are you basing this statement on?

Any PPP candidate has a greater chance of attracting Afro votes than any coalition candidate has of attracting Indo votes. That's a fact.

LOL…and WOW!…scientific data par excellence…or Houdini magic…where is the evidence?

 The coalition does not have to rig to win the election for three reasons:1. Demographics have changed dramatically. 2. They did not have to rig to win the last election. 3. The PPP's performance over two decades in power is far from stellar. If your argument is that the PNC has to rig to win, isn't the inference that the PPP will win without the PNC's rigging? That is clear intimation that the PPP will win. It's simple.

More piffle…or puffery…demographics changed…yes…but a revived coalition will not take a chance of winning with a one seat majority…what evidence you have that suggest that there is no Plan B…are there not discontented supporters who are dissatisfied with what this government has done since 2015, who might be tempted to throw their lot elsewhere…just as how you are so enormously certain that the PPP has lost votes?  

I think you're confused. I have addressed your posts point for point to some of which you cannot respond. To put things into perspective,
you accused me of not being able to get over the PNC/PPP racial thing while at the same time YOU are intent on propagating the same PNC/PPP racial thing. This makes you the typical Guyanese you referred to with such scorn.
First point: You do know the PPP lost the last election? They did so because of less race-based voting. Basically, many Indos (including wealthy Indos) had enough of the Jagdeo cabal. What reason do you have to believe Guyanese are less united in 2019 than they were in 2015? When last were you in Guyana?
Second point: What is it?
Third point: My opinion is based on personal experience. You probably don't read enough on this forum or have blinds on for posts made by Indos. BTW, I've been a member since 2001 with tremendous participation in my first ten years. Your experience on this forum is minimal compared to mine. For your information, I have had many long online battles with Carib and others about their racism. Yes. I am mostly of East Indian descent.
Fourth point: That is well-known. Your amazement gives an accurate indication of your knowledge of Guyana.
Fifth point: How is it piffle-puffery if you agree that demographics changed? If you are a student pursuing tertiary education, please desist from asking someone to prove something that isn't. The 2015 elections proved, quite enormously, that the PPP has lost votes. Again, you do know the PPP lost the last election... right?

Nehru posted:

iT IS SIMPLE: EGG SUCKING dogs WILL CONTIUE TO SUCK EGG!!!!!!!!

A muzzle might help you with your sucking problem.

ronan posted:

4th grade nonsense from Jagdeo

of a piece with the supposed 5,000 newly naturalized "Haitians" put on the voters roll by the PNC . . . that nobody, not even the ELITE LIARS at Freedom House can 'find'

labba running with duh though . . . he mussbe hiding them in he bt

Gilbakka, like plenty here drinking deep from the race CUP done gone cynic tribal and isn't even pretending at reason anymore

that's y'all right

i watch and am not amazed

smfh

Nonsense.

This is the primary reason why the PNC wants house to house registration to rig the voter's list. 

antabanta posted:

Labba posted:

antabanta posted:

You are probably not aware that Afro-Guyanese are generally less racist than Indo-Guyanese. Any PPP candidate has a greater chance of attracting Afro votes than any coalition candidate has of attracting Indo votes. That's a fact.

 

Bai doh is de biggest LAFF me get foh de month? Dem blackman vote foh dem mattie at 99% in de lass eleckshun. Dem collies touch 86%. Hey hey hey. Awww...dem is all one lovers like Carib and Snowier dan though...hey hey hey 

So you saying most blacks and some Indians voted against the PPP in 2015? When you done laff, tell abie wah mek da happen.

YES!...google the results...this election, like previous ones, will reflect an alignment towards race....

AND....you asking too many questions that others can help you with...I gat a class to go to....

kp posted:Posted by: Denis Chabrol in Business, Citizenship and Immigration, Constitution, Elections, News, Politics April 4, 2019 1 Comment

 

Minister of Citizenship, Winston Felix.

 

 

YES...Ronan gon come here and cuss...and tell us it was a MISTAKE...which the Govt owned up to....

VishMahabir posted:

antabanta posted:

Labba posted:

antabanta posted:

You are probably not aware that Afro-Guyanese are generally less racist than Indo-Guyanese. Any PPP candidate has a greater chance of attracting Afro votes than any coalition candidate has of attracting Indo votes. That's a fact.

 

Bai doh is de biggest LAFF me get foh de month? Dem blackman vote foh dem mattie at 99% in de lass eleckshun. Dem collies touch 86%. Hey hey hey. Awww...dem is all one lovers like Carib and Snowier dan though...hey hey hey 

So you saying most blacks and some Indians voted against the PPP in 2015? When you done laff, tell abie wah mek da happen.

YES!...google the results...this election, like previous ones, will reflect an alignment towards race....

AND....you asking too many questions that others can help you with...I gat a class to go to....

Help? I know more about Guyana than you and those others ever will. How foolish of you. Most blacks and some Indos voting against the PPP is ample evidence of the lessening of race-based voting. Remember, don't embarrass yourself in class by asking for evidence of absence.

antabanta posted:

 

First point: You do know the PPP lost the last election? They did so because of less race-based voting. Basically, many Indos (including wealthy Indos) had enough of the Jagdeo cabal. What reason do you have to believe Guyanese are less united in 2019 than they were in 2015? When last were you in Guyana?

Dude, that may be true…but did you recall that there was a request to recount…particularly when the votes were so close?...and some hanky panky took place when some PPP agents were evicted from the stations?

Third point: My opinion is based on personal experience.

Your personal experience are just that…personal experience…they do not translate into facts as you would like us to believe….I don’t care what race you are…

The fake facts you posted above …are just that….fake.

The 2015 elections proved, quite enormously, that the PPP has lost votes. Again, you do know the PPP lost the last election... right?

Yes…but I know you a little slow…how does all of this translate into a belief that there is no Plan B or the PNC is not prepared to do so? That question must be asked simply because the party has a history…and now finds itself in a pickle with a 1 seat majority…

This conversation is getting redundant…

"It was noted that although Opposition Leader, Bharrat Jagdeo has indicated that the party was researching the issue, the group failed to notice the corrected copies of the persons seeking naturalisation status were published following the mistakes."

How does two errors in publication equal to massive elections fraud? Jagdeo full of shyte and the sheeple parroting every bit of nonsense he screams on a weekly basis. Just like the 20,000 PPP voters who were going to be left off the list. Obviously publishing errors which the newspapers corrected at a later date. If there was some jiggery pokery going on, why would the newspapers publish the corrections? 

ronan posted:

sir, what exactly is the “historical pattern” of “PNC” you have fastened on to?

the last election rigged by “PNC” was 34 years ago [BEFORE YOU WERE BORN] under Desmond Hoyle who then scrapped the planned marriage of the communist PPP and the communist PNC agreed-upon just before kabaka kicked the bucket

oh yes, on the way to 1992, Hoyle abandoned “Burnhamism” (PNC communism) and placed Guyana on the path of market-oriented economic reform 

so, let’s talk about the “historical pattern” of the PPP . . . from the fellow-traveling Stalinist days to [CURRENT] Yeltsinite tiefmanism and murderous druglordism under bharrat jagdeo

yes, let’s talk about the “stakes” and the charandass gambit by the PPP to coerce ‘elections’ with a “rigged” voters roll

let’s talk about the multiple LG elections that the PPP refused to hold in violation of the Constitution because they could not win the big municipalities . . . they choose to control those through IMCs

how are we defining “rigging” again?More 

yes, let’s talk about Gocool Boodhoo and PPP rigging operations in 2011 and 2015

and finally, let’s talk about the two RECENT, clean LG elections held under the auspices of “PNC” . . .  that PPP ‘won”

oh wait . . . you want to talk about a dictator dead before you were born

my bad

this is the last rodeo for the jagdeoite scum . . . that’s where your “taking a chance” ruminations should be directed

banna, you not ready for prime time

smfh

More puffery...and pointless evasion...

...trying to divert and avoid the point I am making...and taking us on a yellow brick road ride with the Charandass and Gocool motorcade...

The PNC will implement a Plan B...their history (if it makes you happy, lets begin our history from 2015 then)...dictates that much....

You prove my point with this line ...."this is the last rodeo for the jagdeoite scum"  I am sure the Jagdeo/PPP/Ifraan supporters will appreciate how you boldly can tell them who their leader should be...

Whether its Jagdeo, Irfaan, Anil, Gail, or Jagan...your position will be the same...

BTW....Check those Facebook responses...one conclusion is clear...most govt supporters are openly saying that the coalition should (and must) rig the election if they have to ...to keep the "monsters" away from the oil money...

Get my drift?

....or you still believe that the majority is 34? 

I guess the Hoytian "kith an kin" was not in motion there, eh?

VishMahabir posted:

antabanta posted:

 

First point: You do know the PPP lost the last election? They did so because of less race-based voting. Basically, many Indos (including wealthy Indos) had enough of the Jagdeo cabal. What reason do you have to believe Guyanese are less united in 2019 than they were in 2015? When last were you in Guyana?

Dude, that may be true…but did you recall that there was a request to recount…particularly when the votes were so close?...and some hanky panky took place when some PPP agents were evicted from the stations?

Third point: My opinion is based on personal experience.

Your personal experience are just that…personal experience…they do not translate into facts as you would like us to believe….I don’t care what race you are…

The fake facts you posted above …are just that….fake.

The 2015 elections proved, quite enormously, that the PPP has lost votes. Again, you do know the PPP lost the last election... right?

Yes…but I know you a little slow…how does all of this translate into a belief that there is no Plan B or the PNC is not prepared to do so? That question must be asked simply because the party has a history…and now finds itself in a pickle with a 1 seat majority…

This conversation is getting redundant…

How is a request for recount proof of rigging? Provide more information on the hanky-panky.

If my personal experience does not translate into facts for me, what else will? My race is important in helping you to understand I am an expert on the psyche of the Indo-Guyanese living in Guyana simply by being one of them. Which facts are fake?

Again, you are asking me to provide proof of something not happening. I don't think you understand what that means. The onus is upon you to provide sufficient evidence of your claim. How could the entity that won the election be in a pickle? It's the entrenched party that was depending on the blind support of their blind supporters that's in the pickle for losing. I'm enjoying the conversation but your comprehension could save the redundancy.

Did you skip some of my points because my slow pace is too fast for you?

antabanta posted:

Labba posted:

antabanta posted:

You are probably not aware that Afro-Guyanese are generally less racist than Indo-Guyanese. Any PPP candidate has a greater chance of attracting Afro votes than any coalition candidate has of attracting Indo votes. That's a fact.

 

Bai doh is de biggest LAFF me get foh de month? Dem blackman vote foh dem mattie at 99% in de lass eleckshun. Dem collies touch 86%. Hey hey hey. Awww...dem is all one lovers like Carib and Snowier dan though...hey hey hey 

So you saying most blacks and some Indians voted against the PPP in 2015? When you done laff, tell abie wah mek da happen.

Wah mek it happen...coolie na clannish like yuh and Caribj seh. Hey hey hey...

Labba posted:

antabanta posted:

So you saying most blacks and some Indians voted against the PPP in 2015? When you done laff, tell abie wah mek da happen.

Wah mek it happen...coolie na clannish like yuh and Caribj seh. Hey hey hey...

Not because the banditry of the Rat and PPP drove them to seek any alternative?

antabanta posted:

Labba posted:

antabanta posted:

So you saying most blacks and some Indians voted against the PPP in 2015? When you done laff, tell abie wah mek da happen.

Wah mek it happen...coolie na clannish like yuh and Caribj seh. Hey hey hey...

Not because the banditry of the Rat and PPP drove them to seek any alternative?

Na...dem juss not clannis as ayoo seh.

Vish on a roll today, I see he put some schooling on uncle Django... and poor uncle take the day off😊