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Govt raising false short-term hopes about oil wealth – Jagdeo

 

Distinguished Economics Professor Clive Thomas earlier this year had in fact floated the idea of disbursing conditional annual cash payouts of about US$5,000 annually to very poor and vulnerable households aimed at improving their health, removing children from labour and putting them back in school.


Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo addressing the 2018 annual awards and dinner of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce and Industry.

Opposition Leader, Bharrat Jagdeo is painting a bleak economic picture for Guyana, saying that the US$300 million annual oil revenues would be insufficient to guarantee improved standards of living from 2020.

Addressing the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce and Industry’s (GCCI) annual awards ceremony held Wednesday night at the Marriott Hotel, the former Guyana President forecast that the country was not expected to see significant development from 2020 to 2025.

“Even the oil companies, because they talk to me too, they don’t have such a rosy picture of the fortunes of Guyana changing drastically, dramatically in the time-frame that we think it will happen. It will happen but it’s going to happen not from 2020 to 2025. Those will be rough years for us because 300 million dollars coming in per year is really nothing if you look at what we have lost already and what 300 million means,” said Jagdeo, a Russian-trained economist and former Finance Minister.

Finance Minister Winston Jordan has already confirmed that Guyana’s projected earnings from Liza 1 would be about US$300 million annually from early 2020 when oil production is expected to begin at 120,000 barrels per day.

Senior officials of government and ExxonMobil on Thursday said oil is expected to be pumped from Liza Phase 2  in 2022 at a rate of 220,000 barrels per day. Production from the Payara well,  a company official said, is expected to begin by 2023 at a rate of 180,000 barrels of oil per day.

In all, by 2023 oil production is expected 520,000 barrels per day.

Under a World Bank-funded project, a company is next month expected to be hired- through a competitive procurement process in keeping with rules by that financial institution and government- to review the Liza Phase 2 oil field. A government official said ExxonMobil would be informed very soon after the review which is being done in partnership with that oil company.

Jordan last week urged Guyanese to focus on the future in which oil production would be a major economic plank. “The future is great. We got 5 billion barrels of oil that would start flowing from 2020 March and we are talking about the past….and we are trying to rile up sugar workers and so on for votes. Talk to the sugar workers about how they could get a piece of the pie. From 2020 and beyond, 5 billion and counting- that’s where the future lies; not in the past- glory of sugar,” Jordan, a Guyana and US-trained Economist, said in clear reference to the PPP’s opposition to the closure of several sugar estates and lay off of thousands of workers of the bankrupt Guyana Sugar Corporation.

Jagdeo said the US$300 million in oil revenues would be coming in at a time when oil prices are projected to rise again, a loss of 30,000 jobs in contrast to a gain of 1,000 oil sector jobs. “If we use some to pay the debt, some to pay for inter-generational equity, some for macroeconomic purposes and some on infrastructure- that’s it, it’s gone,” he said.

Jagdeo sought to assure attendees that we was not deliberately negative in contrast to government’s “rosy picture” for the post 2020 period, but the evidence causes his People’s Progressive Party (PPP) causes them to be “very worried”.  He said the David Granger-led coalition government has failed to stimulate rice, sugar is declining, increased taxes on mining, “dried up” retail trade and a downturn in construction.

“This is the same economic philosophy when were declared practically bankrupt as a nation and that we had to work hard to take this country from and return it to viability today and so we are returning there. There has been no help to industries, absolutely no help to industries, a loss of welfare, we are spending on consumables, we are borrowing more and we are taxing more and all of this will run out some time in the future. They are still living on past investments,” he said.

Finance Minister Jordan, in wrapping up debate on the 2019 National Budget, denied repeated claims by the opposition that government has imposed new taxes.

A number existing taxes and duties have been increased by the government since coming to office. At the same time, government announced  a number of Value Added Tax exemptions and reduction in other taxes for the business community. These have been largely welcomed by the umbrella Private Sector Commission (PSC).

Jagdeo on Wednesday night, however, chided the business community for not criticising government for taxing exports for the first time.

The former President cautioned Guyanese against being “grossly disappointed” but instead to be “realistic” based on the numbers. He acknowledged that Guyana would “do great in the future” through the massive transformational opportunity of oil and gas. “There is a time-lag to all of these things; not going to happen immediately and raising expectations like saying ‘we will give people  5,000 (United States) dollars per family.’ That’s a billion dollars per year you’re talking about; we’re collecting three billion,” he said.

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Blue Elephant Skeldon Sugar Factory

Troubled Berbice River Bridge, overpriced River Crossing.

blobid0

Overpriced ,Amelia Falls Road

 

GuySuCo still buried under $77B debt – Bhim

https://guyanatimesgy.com/guys...under-77b-debt-bhim/

 

The legacy of the Russian Trained Economist.

Django can’t rest on seeing Jagdeo name. Dude you were very quiet on this board until this post ... its good to see Jagdeo torch burns your Arss also and wakes you up.  

FM
kp posted:

Govt raising false short-term hopes about oil wealth – Jagdeo

 

Distinguished Economics Professor Clive Thomas earlier this year had in fact floated the idea of disbursing conditional annual cash payouts of about US$5,000 annually to very poor and vulnerable households aimed at improving their health, removing children from labour and putting them back in school.


Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo addressing the 2018 annual awards and dinner of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce and Industry.

Opposition Leader, Bharrat Jagdeo is painting a bleak economic picture for Guyana, saying that the US$300 million annual oil revenues would be insufficient to guarantee improved standards of living from 2020.

Addressing the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce and Industry’s (GCCI) annual awards ceremony held Wednesday night at the Marriott Hotel, the former Guyana President forecast that the country was not expected to see significant development from 2020 to 2025.

“Even the oil companies, because they talk to me too, they don’t have such a rosy picture of the fortunes of Guyana changing drastically, dramatically in the time-frame that we think it will happen. It will happen but it’s going to happen not from 2020 to 2025. Those will be rough years for us because 300 million dollars coming in per year is really nothing if you look at what we have lost already and what 300 million means,” said Jagdeo, a Russian-trained economist and former Finance Minister.

Finance Minister Winston Jordan has already confirmed that Guyana’s projected earnings from Liza 1 would be about US$300 million annually from early 2020 when oil production is expected to begin at 120,000 barrels per day.

Senior officials of government and ExxonMobil on Thursday said oil is expected to be pumped from Liza Phase 2  in 2022 at a rate of 220,000 barrels per day. Production from the Payara well,  a company official said, is expected to begin by 2023 at a rate of 180,000 barrels of oil per day.

In all, by 2023 oil production is expected 520,000 barrels per day.

Under a World Bank-funded project, a company is next month expected to be hired- through a competitive procurement process in keeping with rules by that financial institution and government- to review the Liza Phase 2 oil field. A government official said ExxonMobil would be informed very soon after the review which is being done in partnership with that oil company.

Jordan last week urged Guyanese to focus on the future in which oil production would be a major economic plank. “The future is great. We got 5 billion barrels of oil that would start flowing from 2020 March and we are talking about the past….and we are trying to rile up sugar workers and so on for votes. Talk to the sugar workers about how they could get a piece of the pie. From 2020 and beyond, 5 billion and counting- that’s where the future lies; not in the past- glory of sugar,” Jordan, a Guyana and US-trained Economist, said in clear reference to the PPP’s opposition to the closure of several sugar estates and lay off of thousands of workers of the bankrupt Guyana Sugar Corporation.

Jagdeo said the US$300 million in oil revenues would be coming in at a time when oil prices are projected to rise again, a loss of 30,000 jobs in contrast to a gain of 1,000 oil sector jobs. “If we use some to pay the debt, some to pay for inter-generational equity, some for macroeconomic purposes and some on infrastructure- that’s it, it’s gone,” he said.

Jagdeo sought to assure attendees that we was not deliberately negative in contrast to government’s “rosy picture” for the post 2020 period, but the evidence causes his People’s Progressive Party (PPP) causes them to be “very worried”.  He said the David Granger-led coalition government has failed to stimulate rice, sugar is declining, increased taxes on mining, “dried up” retail trade and a downturn in construction.

“This is the same economic philosophy when were declared practically bankrupt as a nation and that we had to work hard to take this country from and return it to viability today and so we are returning there. There has been no help to industries, absolutely no help to industries, a loss of welfare, we are spending on consumables, we are borrowing more and we are taxing more and all of this will run out some time in the future. They are still living on past investments,” he said.

Finance Minister Jordan, in wrapping up debate on the 2019 National Budget, denied repeated claims by the opposition that government has imposed new taxes.

A number existing taxes and duties have been increased by the government since coming to office. At the same time, government announced  a number of Value Added Tax exemptions and reduction in other taxes for the business community. These have been largely welcomed by the umbrella Private Sector Commission (PSC).

Jagdeo on Wednesday night, however, chided the business community for not criticising government for taxing exports for the first time.

The former President cautioned Guyanese against being “grossly disappointed” but instead to be “realistic” based on the numbers. He acknowledged that Guyana would “do great in the future” through the massive transformational opportunity of oil and gas. “There is a time-lag to all of these things; not going to happen immediately and raising expectations like saying ‘we will give people  5,000 (United States) dollars per family.’ That’s a billion dollars per year you’re talking about; we’re collecting three billion,” he said.

I am not a Russian trained economist but based on those numbers, 120,000 barrels per day times 365 days from the Liza 1 Well and Guyana getting 300 Million works out to $1.46 per BARREL. I am more worried about Guyana getting ripped off not so much about who will do the tiefin.

GTAngler
Django posted:

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Blue Elephant Skeldon Sugar Factory

Troubled Berbice River Bridge, overpriced River Crossing.

blobid0

Overpriced ,Amelia Falls Road

 

GuySuCo still buried under $77B debt – Bhim

https://guyanatimesgy.com/guys...under-77b-debt-bhim/

 

The legacy of the Russian Trained Economist.

Does that bar Jagdeo from giving an opinion on Guyana's future? I think not. Save this report until 2022 at least and we shall see whether Jagdeo is blowing hot air or cold realism. 

FM
GTAngler posted:
kp posted:

Govt raising false short-term hopes about oil wealth – Jagdeo

 

Distinguished Economics Professor Clive Thomas earlier this year had in fact floated the idea of disbursing conditional annual cash payouts of about US$5,000 annually to very poor and vulnerable households aimed at improving their health, removing children from labour and putting them back in school.


Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo addressing the 2018 annual awards and dinner of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce and Industry.

Opposition Leader, Bharrat Jagdeo is painting a bleak economic picture for Guyana, saying that the US$300 million annual oil revenues would be insufficient to guarantee improved standards of living from 2020.

Addressing the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce and Industry’s (GCCI) annual awards ceremony held Wednesday night at the Marriott Hotel, the former Guyana President forecast that the country was not expected to see significant development from 2020 to 2025.

“Even the oil companies, because they talk to me too, they don’t have such a rosy picture of the fortunes of Guyana changing drastically, dramatically in the time-frame that we think it will happen. It will happen but it’s going to happen not from 2020 to 2025. Those will be rough years for us because 300 million dollars coming in per year is really nothing if you look at what we have lost already and what 300 million means,” said Jagdeo, a Russian-trained economist and former Finance Minister.

Finance Minister Winston Jordan has already confirmed that Guyana’s projected earnings from Liza 1 would be about US$300 million annually from early 2020 when oil production is expected to begin at 120,000 barrels per day.

Senior officials of government and ExxonMobil on Thursday said oil is expected to be pumped from Liza Phase 2  in 2022 at a rate of 220,000 barrels per day. Production from the Payara well,  a company official said, is expected to begin by 2023 at a rate of 180,000 barrels of oil per day.

In all, by 2023 oil production is expected 520,000 barrels per day.

Under a World Bank-funded project, a company is next month expected to be hired- through a competitive procurement process in keeping with rules by that financial institution and government- to review the Liza Phase 2 oil field. A government official said ExxonMobil would be informed very soon after the review which is being done in partnership with that oil company.

Jordan last week urged Guyanese to focus on the future in which oil production would be a major economic plank. “The future is great. We got 5 billion barrels of oil that would start flowing from 2020 March and we are talking about the past….and we are trying to rile up sugar workers and so on for votes. Talk to the sugar workers about how they could get a piece of the pie. From 2020 and beyond, 5 billion and counting- that’s where the future lies; not in the past- glory of sugar,” Jordan, a Guyana and US-trained Economist, said in clear reference to the PPP’s opposition to the closure of several sugar estates and lay off of thousands of workers of the bankrupt Guyana Sugar Corporation.

Jagdeo said the US$300 million in oil revenues would be coming in at a time when oil prices are projected to rise again, a loss of 30,000 jobs in contrast to a gain of 1,000 oil sector jobs. “If we use some to pay the debt, some to pay for inter-generational equity, some for macroeconomic purposes and some on infrastructure- that’s it, it’s gone,” he said.

Jagdeo sought to assure attendees that we was not deliberately negative in contrast to government’s “rosy picture” for the post 2020 period, but the evidence causes his People’s Progressive Party (PPP) causes them to be “very worried”.  He said the David Granger-led coalition government has failed to stimulate rice, sugar is declining, increased taxes on mining, “dried up” retail trade and a downturn in construction.

“This is the same economic philosophy when were declared practically bankrupt as a nation and that we had to work hard to take this country from and return it to viability today and so we are returning there. There has been no help to industries, absolutely no help to industries, a loss of welfare, we are spending on consumables, we are borrowing more and we are taxing more and all of this will run out some time in the future. They are still living on past investments,” he said.

Finance Minister Jordan, in wrapping up debate on the 2019 National Budget, denied repeated claims by the opposition that government has imposed new taxes.

A number existing taxes and duties have been increased by the government since coming to office. At the same time, government announced  a number of Value Added Tax exemptions and reduction in other taxes for the business community. These have been largely welcomed by the umbrella Private Sector Commission (PSC).

Jagdeo on Wednesday night, however, chided the business community for not criticising government for taxing exports for the first time.

The former President cautioned Guyanese against being “grossly disappointed” but instead to be “realistic” based on the numbers. He acknowledged that Guyana would “do great in the future” through the massive transformational opportunity of oil and gas. “There is a time-lag to all of these things; not going to happen immediately and raising expectations like saying ‘we will give people  5,000 (United States) dollars per family.’ That’s a billion dollars per year you’re talking about; we’re collecting three billion,” he said.

I am not a Russian trained economist but based on those numbers, 120,000 barrels per day times 365 days from the Liza 1 Well and Guyana getting 300 Million works out to $1.46 per BARREL. I am more worried about Guyana getting ripped off not so much about who will do the tiefin.

Dude, no offence... but yesterday your maths wasn’t adding up, and shamefully, you were trying to change the numbers that Basil Williams say in Parliament. 

FM
Dave posted:
 

Django can’t rest on seeing Jagdeo name. Dude you were very quiet on this board until this post ... its good to see Jagdeo torch burns your Arss also and wakes you up.  

Someone have to expose your idren the conman.Probably learn a thing or two from him.

Django
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This will be interesting, whether PNC and the slopsters retain power and blow out the oil money or Jaggy and company get back on the horse and enrich themselves. Its a tale of two thieves, who will thief the most? My bet is that PNC is the bigger thiefmen, at least PPP thief but development continues. 

FM
Django posted:

 

Blue Elephant Skeldon Sugar Factory

 

Troubled Berbice River Bridge, overpriced River Crossing.

 

Overpriced ,Amelia Falls Road

 

GuySuCo still buried under $77B debt – Bhim

https://guyanatimesgy.com/guys...under-77b-debt-bhim/

 

The legacy of the Russian Trained Economist.

Djangy like he ketching back heself. I thought for a moment that VishM tek over he job, but our boy DJ putting up a fight to retain the chief SC position. 

FM
Gilbakka posted:

Does that bar Jagdeo from giving an opinion on Guyana's future? I think not. Save this report until 2022 at least and we shall see whether Jagdeo is blowing hot air or cold realism. 

When Jagdeo was told that investing money that the EU gave Guyana to transition AWAY from sugar back into the sugar industry, did he listen to advice.

No he yelled, screamed and had a mental breakdown. And he left Guysuco indebted.

He has no new ideas so there isn't any opinion of his worth listening to.

FM
Gilbakka posted:
 

Does that bar Jagdeo from giving an opinion on Guyana's future? I think not. Save this report until 2022 at least and we shall see whether Jagdeo is blowing hot air or cold realism. 

Who need forecast of the future from failures, doom and gloom would like get his hands on some of the dough.

Django

I agree, in principle, with some points.  However, is it really as he says?  He chided the business community for not criticizing the government on export taxes.  Why did they not kick up a fuss?   Maybe there is more to it than he saying. 

Jagdeo is a politician, so anything he says, take in, but there is another side.  The truth lies somewhere in the middle!

the govt should publish a report with and new taxes and the taxes which it replaced.  I saw the sent Bibi some related talking point to post here few weeks back!

When the PPP implemented VAT, it replaced some 13 other taxes on the books.  Yet everyone talked of VAT, no one talked of the taxes eliminated!

He talked of the money being spent out.  Well, infrastructure is not spending, that’s investing.  This should trigger economic expansion.  I agree with him on excessive consumption spending, in principle.

He better be careful how he criticizes spending on the poor.  Under the PPP strong economy, there was abject poverty and untold suffering and deprivation while politicians and the rich and connected lived in the stratosphere! Those people will take their chances with the PNC and it’s promises, at least in 2020!

FM
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Drugb posted:

This will be interesting, whether PNC and the slopsters retain power and blow out the oil money or Jaggy and company get back on the horse and enrich themselves. Its a tale of two thieves, who will thief the most? My bet is that PNC is the bigger thiefmen, at least PPP thief but development continues. 

Agreed 100 percent. AFC PNC are big time thieves and can only sport and wine down. PPP will tek some but development continues.

PNC did not even build a toilet in three years.

FM

Why did the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce and Industry invite Jagdeo but not Jordan to address their awards ceremony? Obviously because Jagdeo's words carry weight but Jordan's words like Christmas blow-blow. 

FM
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Dave posted:
Ray posted:

tired of seeing this fella

That’s the fella who keep the flames on APNU- AFC arss ... 

Ray does not like the man and that’s ok but Jagdeo buss hot pepper on AFC PNC backside. 

FM
yuji22 posted:
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PNC did not even build a toilet in three years.

The PPP thought that all Guyanese deserved were latrines.  Look at the PPP. Screaming that Guyana should have continued to export rice to Venezuela when that nation is a failed state. Squandering money on Skeldon to see production costs soar. And of course the Berbice bridge fiasco.

No wonder under the PPP over 20% of the Corentyne population left.

FM
Drugb posted:
 

Djangy like he ketching back heself.

Damn a day can't go by without mentioning.

Notice Mars dissed you,so want to lure Django, sorry i man don't swing so.Your padnah cowshit brahman just show up.

Django
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yuji22 posted:
Jagdeo buss hot pepper on AFC PNC backside. 

How?  What great ideas does he have?  How well did he leave sugar?  Look at the fiasco that Guyana would have been in if the rice farmers ran back to Venezuela as he screamed that they should have.

FM
Django posted:
Dave posted:
 

Django can’t rest on seeing Jagdeo name. Dude you were very quiet on this board until this post ... its good to see Jagdeo torch burns your Arss also and wakes you up.  

Someone have to expose your idren the conman.Probably learn a thing or two from him.

Jagdeo is not my idren. 

You keep calling the man a conman, what he tek from you. 

FM
Dave posted:
GTAngler posted:
kp posted:

Govt raising false short-term hopes about oil wealth – Jagdeo

 

Distinguished Economics Professor Clive Thomas earlier this year had in fact floated the idea of disbursing conditional annual cash payouts of about US$5,000 annually to very poor and vulnerable households aimed at improving their health, removing children from labour and putting them back in school.


Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo addressing the 2018 annual awards and dinner of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce and Industry.

Opposition Leader, Bharrat Jagdeo is painting a bleak economic picture for Guyana, saying that the US$300 million annual oil revenues would be insufficient to guarantee improved standards of living from 2020.

Addressing the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce and Industry’s (GCCI) annual awards ceremony held Wednesday night at the Marriott Hotel, the former Guyana President forecast that the country was not expected to see significant development from 2020 to 2025.

“Even the oil companies, because they talk to me too, they don’t have such a rosy picture of the fortunes of Guyana changing drastically, dramatically in the time-frame that we think it will happen. It will happen but it’s going to happen not from 2020 to 2025. Those will be rough years for us because 300 million dollars coming in per year is really nothing if you look at what we have lost already and what 300 million means,” said Jagdeo, a Russian-trained economist and former Finance Minister.

Finance Minister Winston Jordan has already confirmed that Guyana’s projected earnings from Liza 1 would be about US$300 million annually from early 2020 when oil production is expected to begin at 120,000 barrels per day.

Senior officials of government and ExxonMobil on Thursday said oil is expected to be pumped from Liza Phase 2  in 2022 at a rate of 220,000 barrels per day. Production from the Payara well,  a company official said, is expected to begin by 2023 at a rate of 180,000 barrels of oil per day.

In all, by 2023 oil production is expected 520,000 barrels per day.

Under a World Bank-funded project, a company is next month expected to be hired- through a competitive procurement process in keeping with rules by that financial institution and government- to review the Liza Phase 2 oil field. A government official said ExxonMobil would be informed very soon after the review which is being done in partnership with that oil company.

Jordan last week urged Guyanese to focus on the future in which oil production would be a major economic plank. “The future is great. We got 5 billion barrels of oil that would start flowing from 2020 March and we are talking about the past….and we are trying to rile up sugar workers and so on for votes. Talk to the sugar workers about how they could get a piece of the pie. From 2020 and beyond, 5 billion and counting- that’s where the future lies; not in the past- glory of sugar,” Jordan, a Guyana and US-trained Economist, said in clear reference to the PPP’s opposition to the closure of several sugar estates and lay off of thousands of workers of the bankrupt Guyana Sugar Corporation.

Jagdeo said the US$300 million in oil revenues would be coming in at a time when oil prices are projected to rise again, a loss of 30,000 jobs in contrast to a gain of 1,000 oil sector jobs. “If we use some to pay the debt, some to pay for inter-generational equity, some for macroeconomic purposes and some on infrastructure- that’s it, it’s gone,” he said.

Jagdeo sought to assure attendees that we was not deliberately negative in contrast to government’s “rosy picture” for the post 2020 period, but the evidence causes his People’s Progressive Party (PPP) causes them to be “very worried”.  He said the David Granger-led coalition government has failed to stimulate rice, sugar is declining, increased taxes on mining, “dried up” retail trade and a downturn in construction.

“This is the same economic philosophy when were declared practically bankrupt as a nation and that we had to work hard to take this country from and return it to viability today and so we are returning there. There has been no help to industries, absolutely no help to industries, a loss of welfare, we are spending on consumables, we are borrowing more and we are taxing more and all of this will run out some time in the future. They are still living on past investments,” he said.

Finance Minister Jordan, in wrapping up debate on the 2019 National Budget, denied repeated claims by the opposition that government has imposed new taxes.

A number existing taxes and duties have been increased by the government since coming to office. At the same time, government announced  a number of Value Added Tax exemptions and reduction in other taxes for the business community. These have been largely welcomed by the umbrella Private Sector Commission (PSC).

Jagdeo on Wednesday night, however, chided the business community for not criticising government for taxing exports for the first time.

The former President cautioned Guyanese against being “grossly disappointed” but instead to be “realistic” based on the numbers. He acknowledged that Guyana would “do great in the future” through the massive transformational opportunity of oil and gas. “There is a time-lag to all of these things; not going to happen immediately and raising expectations like saying ‘we will give people  5,000 (United States) dollars per family.’ That’s a billion dollars per year you’re talking about; we’re collecting three billion,” he said.

I am not a Russian trained economist but based on those numbers, 120,000 barrels per day times 365 days from the Liza 1 Well and Guyana getting 300 Million works out to $1.46 per BARREL. I am more worried about Guyana getting ripped off not so much about who will do the tiefin.

Dude, no offence... but yesterday your maths wasn’t adding up, and shamefully, you were trying to change the numbers that Basil Williams say in Parliament. 

Sure you have the right person? When did I try to change any numbers? You're right about today though. it's even less per barrel.

120,000 per day times 365 days= 43,800,000 barrels (Liza 1)

divide 300 million by that and you get $0.68 per Barrel.......

 

GTAngler
Django posted:
Drugb posted:
 

Djangy like he ketching back heself.

Damn a day can't go by without mentioning.

Notice Mars dissed you,so want to lure Django, sorry i man don't swing so.Your padnah cowshit brahman just show up.

I didn't want you to feel left out. I mention all those who support pNC wickedness as a reminder of your wicked ways and give you the opportunity to repent. You, d2 - iguana, mars, cribby, cain and other will continue to be reminded of your allegiance to PNC and how it has destroyed the nation. Meanwhile keep fetching that thing and don't spill any. 

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:

at least PPP thief but development continues. 

Where was the development? Guysuco, Berbice Bridge, Marriott?

Development - it went to Linden to subsidize electricity. 

The Afro in Linden burn down the school and government building, that’s how develope their brains are. 

FM
GTAngler posted
 

Sure you have the right person? When did I try to change any numbers? You're right about today though. it's even less per barrel.

120,000 per day times 365 days= 43,800,000 barrels (Liza 1)

divide 300 million by that and you get $0.68 per Barrel.......

 

Bhai, math isn't them fellas from FH forte.

Django
Dave posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:

at least PPP thief but development continues. 

Where was the development? Guysuco, Berbice Bridge, Marriott?

Development - it went to Linden to subsidize electricity. 

The Afro in Linden burn down the school and government building, that’s how develope their brains are. 

Firstly, find out why Linden was getting free electricity.

Secondly, what happen to the power plant from Linden.

Django
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caribny posted:
Drugb posted:

at least PPP thief but development continues. 

Where was the development? Guysuco, Berbice Bridge, Marriott?

Ow bai, dem repair roads, upgrade infrastructure , schools, hospitals, water access etc, not perfectly but at least they try. But the bulk of development I would say was in the private sector where they people had enough confidence in the economy under PPP that they risked their money in investing. Today lots of investment at a standstill, awaiting the return of PPP. PNC created a climate of economic fear, even among their own supporters who registered their disgust in the recent LGE. I am not saying that PPP were angels but they pip PNC at the tape. 

FM
GTAngler posted:
Dave posted:
GTAngler posted:
kp posted:

Govt raising false short-term hopes about oil wealth – Jagdeo

 

Distinguished Economics Professor Clive Thomas earlier this year had in fact floated the idea of disbursing conditional annual cash payouts of about US$5,000 annually to very poor and vulnerable households aimed at improving their health, removing children from labour and putting them back in school.


Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo addressing the 2018 annual awards and dinner of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce and Industry.

Opposition Leader, Bharrat Jagdeo is painting a bleak economic picture for Guyana, saying that the US$300 million annual oil revenues would be insufficient to guarantee improved standards of living from 2020.

Addressing the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce and Industry’s (GCCI) annual awards ceremony held Wednesday night at the Marriott Hotel, the former Guyana President forecast that the country was not expected to see significant development from 2020 to 2025.

“Even the oil companies, because they talk to me too, they don’t have such a rosy picture of the fortunes of Guyana changing drastically, dramatically in the time-frame that we think it will happen. It will happen but it’s going to happen not from 2020 to 2025. Those will be rough years for us because 300 million dollars coming in per year is really nothing if you look at what we have lost already and what 300 million means,” said Jagdeo, a Russian-trained economist and former Finance Minister.

Finance Minister Winston Jordan has already confirmed that Guyana’s projected earnings from Liza 1 would be about US$300 million annually from early 2020 when oil production is expected to begin at 120,000 barrels per day.

Senior officials of government and ExxonMobil on Thursday said oil is expected to be pumped from Liza Phase 2  in 2022 at a rate of 220,000 barrels per day. Production from the Payara well,  a company official said, is expected to begin by 2023 at a rate of 180,000 barrels of oil per day.

In all, by 2023 oil production is expected 520,000 barrels per day.

Under a World Bank-funded project, a company is next month expected to be hired- through a competitive procurement process in keeping with rules by that financial institution and government- to review the Liza Phase 2 oil field. A government official said ExxonMobil would be informed very soon after the review which is being done in partnership with that oil company.

Jordan last week urged Guyanese to focus on the future in which oil production would be a major economic plank. “The future is great. We got 5 billion barrels of oil that would start flowing from 2020 March and we are talking about the past….and we are trying to rile up sugar workers and so on for votes. Talk to the sugar workers about how they could get a piece of the pie. From 2020 and beyond, 5 billion and counting- that’s where the future lies; not in the past- glory of sugar,” Jordan, a Guyana and US-trained Economist, said in clear reference to the PPP’s opposition to the closure of several sugar estates and lay off of thousands of workers of the bankrupt Guyana Sugar Corporation.

Jagdeo said the US$300 million in oil revenues would be coming in at a time when oil prices are projected to rise again, a loss of 30,000 jobs in contrast to a gain of 1,000 oil sector jobs. “If we use some to pay the debt, some to pay for inter-generational equity, some for macroeconomic purposes and some on infrastructure- that’s it, it’s gone,” he said.

Jagdeo sought to assure attendees that we was not deliberately negative in contrast to government’s “rosy picture” for the post 2020 period, but the evidence causes his People’s Progressive Party (PPP) causes them to be “very worried”.  He said the David Granger-led coalition government has failed to stimulate rice, sugar is declining, increased taxes on mining, “dried up” retail trade and a downturn in construction.

“This is the same economic philosophy when were declared practically bankrupt as a nation and that we had to work hard to take this country from and return it to viability today and so we are returning there. There has been no help to industries, absolutely no help to industries, a loss of welfare, we are spending on consumables, we are borrowing more and we are taxing more and all of this will run out some time in the future. They are still living on past investments,” he said.

Finance Minister Jordan, in wrapping up debate on the 2019 National Budget, denied repeated claims by the opposition that government has imposed new taxes.

A number existing taxes and duties have been increased by the government since coming to office. At the same time, government announced  a number of Value Added Tax exemptions and reduction in other taxes for the business community. These have been largely welcomed by the umbrella Private Sector Commission (PSC).

Jagdeo on Wednesday night, however, chided the business community for not criticising government for taxing exports for the first time.

The former President cautioned Guyanese against being “grossly disappointed” but instead to be “realistic” based on the numbers. He acknowledged that Guyana would “do great in the future” through the massive transformational opportunity of oil and gas. “There is a time-lag to all of these things; not going to happen immediately and raising expectations like saying ‘we will give people  5,000 (United States) dollars per family.’ That’s a billion dollars per year you’re talking about; we’re collecting three billion,” he said.

I am not a Russian trained economist but based on those numbers, 120,000 barrels per day times 365 days from the Liza 1 Well and Guyana getting 300 Million works out to $1.46 per BARREL. I am more worried about Guyana getting ripped off not so much about who will do the tiefin.

Dude, no offence... but yesterday your maths wasn’t adding up, and shamefully, you were trying to change the numbers that Basil Williams say in Parliament. 

Sure you have the right person? When did I try to change any numbers? You're right about today though. it's even less per barrel.

120,000 per day times 365 days= 43,800,000 barrels (Liza 1)

divide 300 million by that and you get $0.68 per Barrel.......

 

Oye Dave, this is what I said yesterday....

I am definitely in the wrong frigging profession. US 47k with total compensation adding up to almost 200k and US 65k  with compensation adding up to almost 300k? So benefits are roughly 3 times the salary?

Weren't the numbers mentioned 4.7 and 3.3 Million per month? 4.7 times 12 is 56.4 and 3.3 times 12 is 39.6. divide those by 200GY to 1 US and you get 282K and 198K respectively. Their original salaries are 1080k and 780K GY per month which work out to 47K and 65K US per year. So where am I wrong and where did I try to change numbers?

GTAngler
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:

at least PPP thief but development continues. 

Where was the development? Guysuco, Berbice Bridge, Marriott?

Ow bai, dem repair roads, upgrade infrastructure , schools, hospitals, water access etc, not perfectly but at least they try. But the bulk of development I would say was in the private sector where they people had enough confidence in the economy under PPP that they risked their money in investing. Today lots of investment at a standstill, awaiting the return of PPP. PNC created a climate of economic fear, even among their own supporters who registered their disgust in the recent LGE. I am not saying that PPP were angels but they pip PNC at the tape. 

Don't educate the dunces,  they very well known the development and progress under the PPP. After three plus years what can the PNC show, increase in unemployment and crimes can't even build a latrine just for show.

K
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Django posted:
Dave posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:

at least PPP thief but development continues. 

Where was the development? Guysuco, Berbice Bridge, Marriott?

Development - it went to Linden to subsidize electricity. 

The Afro in Linden burn down the school and government building, that’s how develope their brains are. 

Firstly, find out why Linden was getting free electricity.

Secondly, what happen to the power plant from Linden.

Linden was NOT getting cheap electricity.  Linden traditionally obtained cheaper electricity from the bauxite company, just as certain rural communities benefitted from drainage and irrigation provided by Bookers.

The question was why cheaper electricity in Linden (cheaper and more reliable than most places in Guyana) wasn't used to promote Linden as an industrial zone.  Instead the PPP wanted to punish Linden because they aren't a PPP area.  Now that APNU does the same to the Corentyne they scream.

FM
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:

at least PPP thief but development continues. 

Where was the development? Guysuco, Berbice Bridge, Marriott?

Ow bai, dem repair roads, upgrade infrastructure , schools, hospitals, water access etc,

Who got the contracts and the jobs connected to these projects?  Lindeners were quite vocal in announcing that PPP contractors brought in PPP workers to build the hospital.  So it can be argued that even projects in PNC areas were for the benefit of PNC supporters.

And to say that there isn't some measure of infrastructure development under the Coalition is a blatant lie.

FM
Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Drugb posted:
 

Djangy like he ketching back heself.

Damn a day can't go by without mentioning.

Notice Mars dissed you,so want to lure Django, sorry i man don't swing so.Your padnah cowshit brahman just show up.

I didn't want you to feel left out. I mention all those who support pNC wickedness as a reminder of your wicked ways and give you the opportunity to repent. You, d2 - iguana, mars, cribby, cain and other will continue to be reminded of your allegiance to PNC and how it has destroyed the nation. Meanwhile keep fetching that thing and don't spill any. 

He recently made a spill and took a paycheque cut. He is back with a bigger bucket not realizing that a bigger bucket means a bigger spill. 

FM

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