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Hiring Bias Blacks And Latinos Face Hasn't Improved In 25 Years

 
Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own.

 

When I recently wrote of a study that showed Black and Latino median wealth could hit zero by the middle of this century, some people contacted me through social media and insisted it was the fault of those whose wealth was on the decline. All you need do is work hard enough — improve yourself through education, insist on finding opportunities — and things will get better, these people said.

It is true that you  have to work for what you want. Ultimately, you can't depend on the kindness of strangers, to deploy a twist on the Tennessee Williams line. If discrimination becomes the rationale for not trying, you have to blame yourself as well.

 

However, people badly misuse this concept and assume that no one gets the short end of the stick and that you can't work hard and still not get ahead. It's a way of absolving themselves and social systems from blame. They want to convince themselves that all they have came only from their own efforts in a perfectly competitive system and nothing else.

 

The truth, based on lots of data over years, is that if you're Black or Latino in the U.S., you get far from an equal shake. Your efforts have to be longer, stronger, and chances are you still will be treated worse. The deck gets stacked against you even as you try mightily and then people throw the results in your face.

The most recent evidence of this is a recent meta-study, which means a review of multiple studies, by researchers at Northwestern, in Chicago; Harvard in Cambridge, Massachusetts; and the Institute of Social Research in Oslo, Norway. Hiring discrimination against Blacks hasn't changed in the last 25 years. Latinos have seen only a moderate drop in discrimination against them.

 

Over the years, studies have regularly and repeatedly tested for racial bias in hiring. The researchers pulled together 28 studies from 1989 on (a time when field experiments on the topic became more common), which included 55,842 applicants for 26,326 jobs.

Since 1989, whites receive on average 36% more callbacks than blacks, and 24% more callbacks than Latinos. We observe no change in the level of hiring discrimination against African Americans over the past 25 years, although we find modest evidence of a decline in discrimination against Latinos. Accounting for applicant education, applicant gender, study method, occupational groups, and local labor market conditions does little to alter this result. Contrary to claims of declining discrimination in American society, our estimates suggest that levels of discrimination remain largely unchanged, at least at the point of hire.

Your race has an enormous impact on your chance of an employer being willing to even consider you for a job. There are a number of implications:

  • Fewer callbacks mean lower chances of finding a job.
  • If many employers are willing to discriminate in considering someone for a job, you might reasonably wonder if compensation offers will be equivalent, on the average. (You'd be right. More on that in a bit.)
  • Fewer callbacks likely translate into fewer offers. Fewer offers give an applicant fewer choices to find the best available job.
  • Fewer offers mean less leverage in negotiations because you have fewer options.

If you are Black or Latino, you have to work harder just to get an interview, even if you are as well-qualified as White candidates.

Getting a college education, which many people tout as the grand solution for inequality, doesn't mean things improve that much. Blacks and Latinos, even well educated, face adverse conditions that oppose the growth of wealth, according to researchers at the Center for Household Financial Stability of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis.

The wealth gap increases by race as you compare Blacks and Whites with advanced college degrees. Black and Latino students are more likely to need education loans than Whites, and the more education, the more loans are needed, which means higher debt. The financial impacts makes Blacks and Latinos put off steps for growing wealth, including marriage, buying a home, and saving for retirement. College-educated Whites are more likely to receive financial assistance from their parents. Black college-educated people are more likely to provide financial assistance to their families.

Erik Sherman writes about business, technology, economics, and public policy. You can follow him on Twitter or LinkedIn.

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Black woman called about a posted job opening. Was told post was filled. Man born here from Mexican parents but sounds like any American born man called just after black woman. He was told to come in to fill application. And this was for a security guard job. Racism is still a problem in America. Muslims are also being discriminated against especially since nine eleven and more so with all the shit that the brothers have been doing.

FM
RiffRaff posted:

Would you prefer people hide their racism?

We have recently tried to curb racist rantings on GNI, and things have been improving in that regard.

No...I expect that you, assist in their behavior modification by informing them of the propriety of language and belief system. Given they are left to their own artifices here they come and go unlearned and believing that what they do is normal.

 

Additionally, it leaves the impression that the behavior seen here typifies the normal guyanese. I never met some of these creatures ever in real life. Maybe they hide their feelings but then  I do not know it and it does not matter.

 

BTW. white americans will have all of us in the category above...black, Mexican or "other"... backward "other". Imaging the irony of  us maintaining the the same racist stratification among ourselves that as a group we have to confront...the irony of irony!

FM
Stormborn posted:
 

BTW. white americans will have all of us in the category above...black, Mexican or "other"... backward "other". Imaging the irony of  us maintaining the the same racist stratification among ourselves that as a group we have to confront...the irony of irony!

True because contrary to what some believe the success of Asian Indians in the USA has not rubbed off on Indo Caribbean people.  The latter aren't any better off than are Afro Caribbean people or African immigrants.

FM
Stormborn posted:
RiffRaff posted:

Would you prefer people hide their racism?

We have recently tried to curb racist rantings on GNI, and things have been improving in that regard.

No...I expect that you, assist in their behavior modification by informing them of the propriety of language and belief system. Given they are left to their own artifices here they come and go unlearned and believing that what they do is normal.

 

Additionally, it leaves the impression that the behavior seen here typifies the normal guyanese. I never met some of these creatures ever in real life. Maybe they hide their feelings but then  I do not know it and it does not matter.

 

BTW. white americans will have all of us in the category above...black, Mexican or "other"... backward "other". Imaging the irony of  us maintaining the the same racist stratification among ourselves that as a group we have to confront...the irony of irony!

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't force him to drink. Some of the folks on here have old built in racism due to things that have occurred in their life, and unfortunately you nor I cannot change that. 

Social media tends to bring out the worst in people, GNI is mild compared to numerous comments I have read on multiple forums including very credible news forums. Some posters in here are novices when it comes to hate and racism.

I am sure most of us are aware that white Americans see all in same category as colored people, but sometimes you cannot let that be an excuse to not try harder. I agree some people may see themselves as "white" like OJ once did, until he realized that the only people who end up supporting him were blacks, and not the white folks whom he was surrounding himself with

FM
Drugb posted:

Look who calling the pot black.  d2, caribj, cain have a long history of racism towards IndoGs on this site, spanning more than a decade. 

Its interesting that no one mentioned any names and yet you know that it applies to you and not I.

Now describe what I say about Indians that rises to your damnation of blacks as being violent, criminal and useless.

FM
Drugb posted:

Look who calling the pot black.  d2, caribj, cain have a long history of racism towards IndoGs on this site, spanning more than a decade. 

Do you think that calling our an ignorant racist scumbag for your prejudices mean I am similarly inclined to Indians? I am indian in and under the skin. Culturally I am of the indian world no less than you since I grew up in it is of it. I may not look indian but everyone of my people are indian and one half of me is grounded there. That does not mean that I cannot call it what it is among some of it...ironically racist! It is the difference between us.

 

I do not tolerate the bigotry from black, indian or white. Note I have Scottish cousins who are blue eyed highlanders. I have Indian cousins who wear sari. I have daughters who grew up one half their lives in India. I will not sit by and let them claim they are superior intellectually to others. I know for a fact they are not. Similarly, I know you are just a moron for believing that fairy tale.   Worse, it is outward appearance we look at to make these judgements and you are dark complected and to any with your shallow view you are any  other black person. That is the reality of for hypocrisy.

FM
RiffRaff posted:
Drugb posted:

Look who calling the pot black.  d2, caribj, cain have a long history of racism towards IndoGs on this site, spanning more than a decade. 

Like Carib say, how you know D2 talkin bout you

In fact d2 was not referring to me, it was himself and caribj and maybe a few others. They all know that I am impartial when it comes to race. 

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:

Look who calling the pot black.  d2, caribj, cain have a long history of racism towards IndoGs on this site, spanning more than a decade. 

Its interesting that no one mentioned any names and yet you know that it applies to you and not I.

Now describe what I say about Indians that rises to your damnation of blacks as being violent, criminal and useless.

Nonsense, I have never condemned blacks for any perceived trait.  It is people like you who encourage deviance that I condemn. 

With regards to whether you are a racist, it is pretty universally known on this site. Just ask Nerhu and many others. It like saying a wheel is not round. 

FM
Drugb posted:
RiffRaff posted:
Drugb posted:

Look who calling the pot black.  d2, caribj, cain have a long history of racism towards IndoGs on this site, spanning more than a decade. 

Like Carib say, how you know D2 talkin bout you

In fact d2 was not referring to me, it was himself and caribj and maybe a few others. They all know that I am impartial when it comes to race

Oh rass. Must warn me before writing nonsense like this. I just spilled coffee all over.

GTAngler
Stormborn posted: 

Do you think that calling our an ignorant racist scumbag for your prejudices mean I am similarly inclined to Indians? I am indian in and under the skin. Culturally I am of the indian world no less than you since I grew up in it is of it. I may not look indian but everyone of my people are indian and one half of me is grounded there. That does not mean that I cannot call it what it is among some of it...ironically racist! It is the difference between us.

 

I do not tolerate the bigotry from black, indian or white. Note I have Scottish cousins who are blue eyed highlanders. I have Indian cousins who wear sari. I have daughters who grew up one half their lives in India. I will not sit by and let them claim they are superior intellectually to others. I know for a fact they are not. Similarly, I know you are just a moron for believing that fairy tale.   Worse, it is outward appearance we look at to make these judgements and you are dark complected and to any with your shallow view you are any  other black person. That is the reality of for hypocrisy.

Your diatribes against Indos are legendary, you off all people should be the last to call out others for racism.  Despite your claim of having Indian blood, your actions shows that you have been brainwashed to hate indos. 

FM
GTAngler posted:
Drugb posted:
RiffRaff posted:
Drugb posted:

Look who calling the pot black.  d2, caribj, cain have a long history of racism towards IndoGs on this site, spanning more than a decade. 

Like Carib say, how you know D2 talkin bout you

In fact d2 was not referring to me, it was himself and caribj and maybe a few others. They all know that I am impartial when it comes to race

Oh rass. Must warn me before writing nonsense like this. I just spilled coffee all over.

Don't believe the hype, druggie has always been impartial.  I tell it like I see it and for this reason many of you claim that I am racist towards blacks, don't shoot the messenger. 

FM
Drugb posted:

Your diatribes against Indos are legendary, you off all people should be the last to call out others for racism.  Despite your claim of having Indian blood, your actions shows that you have been brainwashed to hate indos. 

If they are of remarkable import it is the admission of the essential coarseness of racism from people like you. I do not know who would have brained washed me. To the contrary, the diversity of my experience liberated me from the trap of being a bigot like you.

FM
Stormborn posted:
Drugb posted:

Your diatribes against Indos are legendary, you off all people should be the last to call out others for racism.  Despite your claim of having Indian blood, your actions shows that you have been brainwashed to hate indos. 

If they are of remarkable import it is the admission of the essential coarseness of racism from people like you. I do not know who would have brained washed me. To the contrary, the diversity of my experience liberated me from the trap of being a bigot like you.

You were brainwashed by the pnc/afc to believe that Indos are evil. 

FM
caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:
 

BTW. white americans will have all of us in the category above...black, Mexican or "other"... backward "other". Imaging the irony of  us maintaining the the same racist stratification among ourselves that as a group we have to confront...the irony of irony!

True because contrary to what some believe the success of Asian Indians in the USA has not rubbed off on Indo Caribbean people.  The latter aren't any better off than are Afro Caribbean people or African immigrants.

Was in Houston, Texas on the weekend. Met with some Ethiopians and Indians on a business deal. Each of those 6 men are living in million dollar homes, driving Mercedez Benz and Landrovers. Each one of those chaps have atleast 3 high priced vehicles. They deal with businesses of their fellow groups, whether it is a limousine service or restaurant.

Willingly they shared their experiences living in Houston. Each expressed their success had nothing to do with racsim. They put it aside and just carry on carving out their share of the American Success Pie.

Those consumed by racism seems to be living in it. And prevented to succeed.

Bigots are everywhere. Even the bigots who notice bigotry in others.  

S
Stormborn posted:
Drugb posted:

Look who calling the pot black.  d2, caribj, cain have a long history of racism towards IndoGs on this site, spanning more than a decade. 

Do you think that calling our an ignorant racist scumbag for your prejudices mean I am similarly inclined to Indians? I am indian in and under the skin. Culturally I am of the indian world no less than you since I grew up in it is of it. I may not look indian but everyone of my people are indian and one half of me is grounded there. That does not mean that I cannot call it what it is among some of it...ironically racist! It is the difference between us.

 

I do not tolerate the bigotry from black, indian or white. Note I have Scottish cousins who are blue eyed highlanders. I have Indian cousins who wear sari. I have daughters who grew up one half their lives in India. I will not sit by and let them claim they are superior intellectually to others. I know for a fact they are not. Similarly, I know you are just a moron for believing that fairy tale.   Worse, it is outward appearance we look at to make these judgements and you are dark complected and to any with your shallow view you are any  other black person. That is the reality of for hypocrisy.

Suh, you is an Anglo-Indian. 

S
Stormborn posted:
 it is outward appearance we look at to make these judgements and you are dark complected and to any with your shallow view you are any  other black person. That is the reality of for hypocrisy.

What is interesting is that many Indo Guyanese men who have decided to adopt very low cuts or even shaving their hair off aren't obviously not black.  A look at Jagdeo will quickly indicate to some one in the USA seeing him that he isn't obviously "Indian". He looks like many vaguely mixed blacks.

Yet Jagdeo is very actively fostering the bigots to be more open with their racism as Trump is now accused of doing.

Let Jagdeo be caught DWB (driving while black) and he will soon see the folly of his not so subtle attempts to demonize Afro Guyanese in his attempt to win victory in 2020 by running an anti black campaign aiming to build an anti black coalition of East Indians and Amerindians.

FM
Drugb posted:
 

Your diatribes against Indos are legendary,

Like what?  Criticizing the PPP or attempting to have Indians examine their own racist attitudes towards blacks even as they damn blacks for being racist towards them?  Or about how Indo Guyanese people function within a multi ethnic/cultural/religious environment that is Guyana?

Yes I know that you claim "objectivity" as you daily demean blacks but scream racism whenever the PPP or Indo racist attitudes are raised.  Screaming not too long ago that blacks "have no culture".  Joining with others to demean Kwe kwe because of its loosely African origins. Using "congo man" as a racist epithet.

FM
Drugb posted:
 

Nonsense, I have never condemned blacks for any perceived trait.  . 

So deeply embedded is your bigotry that you don't even realize that demeaning a whole group as being criminal is an indication of such.  How often do you quote comments of a known black hooligan about how much he loves the PPP because they put milk in his black tea.  You then ascribe this view to all Afro Guyanese, clearly seeing no difference between a known criminal and the majority of Guyanese blacks who are no more violent or criminally inclined than people from other ethnic groups.

Joining the brigade of this quick to scream "black man ah kill abee" every time and Indian is murdered and then remaining silent when it is discovered that its either Indians who committed the murder, or who paid for some one else to do so.

The sure sign of a bigot is when he denies the fact that his comments of an entire group based on the behavior of a portion of it is bigotry.

FM
Chief posted:

Jagdeo is not a racist.

So Trump isn't because I see no difference in how Jagdeo views blacks and how Trump views Mexicans and Muslims.  They both use incendiary language against these groups to further their political agendas.

Did Jagdeo condemn the racist editorial of the Chronicle? No.  Because he says exactly the same thing.

FM
seignet posted:
 

Was in Houston, Texas on the weekend. Met with some Ethiopians and Indians on a business deal. Each of those 6 men are living in million dollar homes, driving Mercedez Benz and Landrovers. Each one of those chaps have atleast 3 high priced vehicles. They deal with businesses of their fellow groups, whether it is a limousine service or restaurant.

Willingly they shared their experiences living in Houston. Each expressed their success had nothing to do with racsim. They put it aside and just carry on carving out their share of the American Success Pie.

Those consumed by racism seems to be living in it. And prevented to succeed.

Bigots are everywhere. Even the bigots who notice bigotry in others.  

Good. This was about blacks and Hispanics though so their views aren't relevant. 

I can ponder as to which social group of Ethiopia these gentlemen hailed from and how much ill gotten wealth they arrived in the USA with.

Note also that Ethiopian median household incomes in the USA trail behind those of other black immigrant groups and are only marginally higher than for blacks as a whole.  So those gentlemen don't represent Ethiopians as a whole.

FM
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Drugb posted:
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You were brainwashed by the pnc/afc to believe that Indos are evil. 

So while you scream about how blacks have a sole mission of killing, raping and robbing Indians you think that any discussion of Indian racist attitude towards blacks is a racist discussion.

No one here denies that black racist attitudes to Indians exists and that Indians haven't suffered from this. Everyone here quite correctly diagnoses Burnham was a racist in how he treated Indians, even as he enjoyed excellent ties with parts of the Indo intellectual elites.  I don't see anyone here denying that there aren't elements of ethnic exclusion in how the coalition treats Indians either.

Yet should anyone discuss Indian racism, or Indian ethnic exclusionary behavior this is tantamount to scream that some one says that Indians are evil.

No druggie all it says is that Indian racism exists and that Indians have also contributed to our ethnically poisonous environment as have other groups.  You can freely scream about how blacks treat Indians (always seeming to be quite Freudian as you recall days when black boys beat you up) but yet suffer a mental breakdown when Indo racist attitudes is explored.

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

Your diatribes against Indos are legendary,

Like what?  Criticizing the PPP or attempting to have Indians examine their own racist attitudes towards blacks even as they damn blacks for being racist towards them?  Or about how Indo Guyanese people function within a multi ethnic/cultural/religious environment that is Guyana?

Yes I know that you claim "objectivity" as you daily demean blacks but scream racism whenever the PPP or Indo racist attitudes are raised.  Screaming not too long ago that blacks "have no culture".  Joining with others to demean Kwe kwe because of its loosely African origins. Using "congo man" as a racist epithet.

You forgot all your wickedness so quickly? Every opportunity you seize on to portray IndoG's as evil and bigoted.  You forgot how you tried to paint good Indotrini vs bad IndoG?  You forgot how you claim indoGs in general are clannish? You forgot how you screamed that IndoG's were not hiring blacks because they are racist? I had to smack you around then as my business interests in Guyana hires many blacks. You forgot how you try to portray indoGs in the islands as losers and only good enough to clean black baby bottoms? You forgot how you claimed indoGs were only gardeners and toilet cleaners in the islands? You even claimed that indoGs should pay blacks reparations for slavery. You are a wicked soul and will pay the price eventually, in this life and the after life if it exists, and so will d2 and cain. 

FM
caribny posted:

So while you scream about how blacks have a sole mission of killing, raping and robbing Indians you think that any discussion of Indian racist attitude towards blacks is a racist discussion.

No one here denies that black racist attitudes to Indians exists and that Indians haven't suffered from this. Everyone here quite correctly diagnoses Burnham was a racist in how he treated Indians, even as he enjoyed excellent ties with parts of the Indo intellectual elites.  I don't see anyone here denying that there aren't elements of ethnic exclusion in how the coalition treats Indians either.

Yet should anyone discuss Indian racism, or Indian ethnic exclusionary behavior this is tantamount to scream that some one says that Indians are evil.

No druggie all it says is that Indian racism exists and that Indians have also contributed to our ethnically poisonous environment as have other groups.  You can freely scream about how blacks treat Indians (always seeming to be quite Freudian as you recall days when black boys beat you up) but yet suffer a mental breakdown when Indo racist attitudes is explored.

None of the above are true about me. You are hallucinating as usual. If I observe that the majority of criminal activity is done by Blacks, you scream racism. My crime thread can serve as evidence of this. When I report on commonly accepted statistics about Black underperformance in intellectual and professional arena, you scream racism. Don't kill the messenger. 

FM
seignet posted:
Stormborn posted:
Drugb posted:

Look who calling the pot black.  d2, caribj, cain have a long history of racism towards IndoGs on this site, spanning more than a decade. 

Do you think that calling our an ignorant racist scumbag for your prejudices mean I am similarly inclined to Indians? I am indian in and under the skin. Culturally I am of the indian world no less than you since I grew up in it is of it. I may not look indian but everyone of my people are indian and one half of me is grounded there. That does not mean that I cannot call it what it is among some of it...ironically racist! It is the difference between us.

 

I do not tolerate the bigotry from black, indian or white. Note I have Scottish cousins who are blue eyed highlanders. I have Indian cousins who wear sari. I have daughters who grew up one half their lives in India. I will not sit by and let them claim they are superior intellectually to others. I know for a fact they are not. Similarly, I know you are just a moron for believing that fairy tale.   Worse, it is outward appearance we look at to make these judgements and you are dark complected and to any with your shallow view you are any  other black person. That is the reality of for hypocrisy.

Suh, you is an Anglo-Indian. 

You are Anglo Indian since the prefix is as to your designation in the colonial complex of identities.

FM
seignet posted:
caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:
 

BTW. white americans will have all of us in the category above...black, Mexican or "other"... backward "other". Imaging the irony of  us maintaining the the same racist stratification among ourselves that as a group we have to confront...the irony of irony!

True because contrary to what some believe the success of Asian Indians in the USA has not rubbed off on Indo Caribbean people.  The latter aren't any better off than are Afro Caribbean people or African immigrants.

Was in Houston, Texas on the weekend. Met with some Ethiopians and Indians on a business deal. Each of those 6 men are living in million dollar homes, driving Mercedez Benz and Landrovers. Each one of those chaps have atleast 3 high priced vehicles. They deal with businesses of their fellow groups, whether it is a limousine service or restaurant.

Willingly they shared their experiences living in Houston. Each expressed their success had nothing to do with racsim. They put it aside and just carry on carving out their share of the American Success Pie.

Those consumed by racism seems to be living in it. And prevented to succeed.

Bigots are everywhere. Even the bigots who notice bigotry in others.  

So your six Ethiopians are a measure against which you negate what is self evident in the system. I have a class mate whose father is a dean at Austin. She has 3 brothers, all with doctorates. Her mother is also a professor. She is head of a Catholic woman's hospital in LA. She is a psychiatrist. One of her on going projects is to lecture on the psychology of racism. Why is it you know better than her. By the way, she has advance degrees ( MD in internal medicine and geriatric psychology) and an MBA from two ivy league universities.

FM
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caribny posted:
seignet posted:
 

Was in Houston, Texas on the weekend. Met with some Ethiopians and Indians on a business deal. Each of those 6 men are living in million dollar homes, driving Mercedez Benz and Landrovers. Each one of those chaps have atleast 3 high priced vehicles. They deal with businesses of their fellow groups, whether it is a limousine service or restaurant.

Willingly they shared their experiences living in Houston. Each expressed their success had nothing to do with racsim. They put it aside and just carry on carving out their share of the American Success Pie.

Those consumed by racism seems to be living in it. And prevented to succeed.

Bigots are everywhere. Even the bigots who notice bigotry in others.  

Good. This was about blacks and Hispanics though so their views aren't relevant. 

I can ponder as to which social group of Ethiopia these gentlemen hailed from and how much ill gotten wealth they arrived in the USA with.

Note also that Ethiopian median household incomes in the USA trail behind those of other black immigrant groups and are only marginally higher than for blacks as a whole.  So those gentlemen don't represent Ethiopians as a whole.

Bhai, in dem 2 days I was there, I stayed at the Westin Galleria. And dat ain cheap. More than 50% of the ppl I saw were American blacks-AT THE HOTEL. As for my meals, I was introduced to Ethopian food the first day, and I had my lunch and dinner there for the two days. The restaurants was always to capacity. I always had a table due to connections.

I just doan know wey alyuh racist Guyanese get alyuh data from.

S
seignet posted:
caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:
 

BTW. white americans will have all of us in the category above...black, Mexican or "other"... backward "other". Imaging the irony of  us maintaining the the same racist stratification among ourselves that as a group we have to confront...the irony of irony!

True because contrary to what some believe the success of Asian Indians in the USA has not rubbed off on Indo Caribbean people.  The latter aren't any better off than are Afro Caribbean people or African immigrants.

Was in Houston, Texas on the weekend. Met with some Ethiopians and Indians on a business deal. Each of those 6 men are living in million dollar homes, driving Mercedez Benz and Landrovers. Each one of those chaps have atleast 3 high priced vehicles. They deal with businesses of their fellow groups, whether it is a limousine service or restaurant.

Willingly they shared their experiences living in Houston. Each expressed their success had nothing to do with racsim. They put it aside and just carry on carving out their share of the American Success Pie.

Those consumed by racism seems to be living in it. And prevented to succeed.

Bigots are everywhere. Even the bigots who notice bigotry in others.  

Your last two sentences are amazingly written.  Agreed.

alena06
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:

So while you scream about how blacks have a sole mission of killing, raping and robbing Indians you think that any discussion of Indian racist attitude towards blacks is a racist discussion.

No one here denies that black racist attitudes to Indians exists and that Indians haven't suffered from this. Everyone here quite correctly diagnoses Burnham was a racist in how he treated Indians, even as he enjoyed excellent ties with parts of the Indo intellectual elites.  I don't see anyone here denying that there aren't elements of ethnic exclusion in how the coalition treats Indians either.

Yet should anyone discuss Indian racism, or Indian ethnic exclusionary behavior this is tantamount to scream that some one says that Indians are evil.

No druggie all it says is that Indian racism exists and that Indians have also contributed to our ethnically poisonous environment as have other groups.  You can freely scream about how blacks treat Indians (always seeming to be quite Freudian as you recall days when black boys beat you up) but yet suffer a mental breakdown when Indo racist attitudes is explored.

None of the above are true about me. You are hallucinating as usual. If I observe that the majority of criminal activity is done by Blacks, you scream racism. My crime thread can serve as evidence of this. When I report on commonly accepted statistics about Black underperformance in intellectual and professional arena, you scream racism. Don't kill the messenger. 

he screams racism because you are using the racist matrix to evaluate the statistics.  That black are intellectually deficient per you also speaks to that. You are shallow, narrow minded and too bigoted to ever look at the data with the eyes of an intellectual. You only see what is behind those tinted glasses with which you look at the world. In short you are a bloody dunce.

FM
Stormborn posted:
seignet posted:
caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:
 

BTW. white americans will have all of us in the category above...black, Mexican or "other"... backward "other". Imaging the irony of  us maintaining the the same racist stratification among ourselves that as a group we have to confront...the irony of irony!

True because contrary to what some believe the success of Asian Indians in the USA has not rubbed off on Indo Caribbean people.  The latter aren't any better off than are Afro Caribbean people or African immigrants.

Was in Houston, Texas on the weekend. Met with some Ethiopians and Indians on a business deal. Each of those 6 men are living in million dollar homes, driving Mercedez Benz and Landrovers. Each one of those chaps have atleast 3 high priced vehicles. They deal with businesses of their fellow groups, whether it is a limousine service or restaurant.

Willingly they shared their experiences living in Houston. Each expressed their success had nothing to do with racsim. They put it aside and just carry on carving out their share of the American Success Pie.

Those consumed by racism seems to be living in it. And prevented to succeed.

Bigots are everywhere. Even the bigots who notice bigotry in others.  

So your six Ethiopians are a measure against which you negate what is self evident in the system. I have a class mate whose father is a dean at Austin. She has 3 brothers, all with doctorates. Her mother is also a professor. She is head of a Catholic woman's hospital in LA. She is a psychiatrist. One of her on going projects is to lecture on the psychology of racism. Why is it you know better than her. By the way, she has advance degrees ( MD in internal medicine and geriatric psychology) and an MBA from two ivy league universities.

Fella, I stated the success of those six men. And how they deemed racism in America. They doan let it hold them back.

Your Professors create scenerios to hold them up in high esteem. 

Doan let's start a fight. U juss returned. Many here missed u. Doan disappoint dem in leaving.

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Look who calling the pot black.  d2, caribj, cain have a long history of racism towards IndoGs on this site, spanning more than a decade. 

Do you think that calling our an ignorant racist scumbag for your prejudices mean I am similarly inclined to Indians? I am indian in and under the skin. Culturally I am of the indian world no less than you since I grew up in it is of it. I may not look indian but everyone of my people are indian and one half of me is grounded there. That does not mean that I cannot call it what it is among some of it...ironically racist! It is the difference between us.

 

I do not tolerate the bigotry from black, indian or white. Note I have Scottish cousins who are blue eyed highlanders. I have Indian cousins who wear sari. I have daughters who grew up one half their lives in India. I will not sit by and let them claim they are superior intellectually to others. I know for a fact they are not. Similarly, I know you are just a moron for believing that fairy tale.   Worse, it is outward appearance we look at to make these judgements and you are dark complected and to any with your shallow view you are any  other black person. That is the reality of for hypocrisy.

Suh, you is an Anglo-Indian. 

You are Anglo Indian since the prefix is as to your designation in the colonial complex of identities.

Nuh man, Anglo-Indian is the off-spring when a Englishman have coitus with a native woman of Indian origin.

The native Indian woman and an Arab gives birth to Moplahs. 

In India there are specific names for mixed ppl. Dey ain racist. Dey juss know the differences.

Eurasians are Europeans and native indian woman.

Me on the other hand is part Dravidian and part Hindu Aryan.

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