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Originally Posted by caribny:

Also when your kids grow up do not expect them to look for jobs in Corporate America.  After all this will indicate that they are losers looking for hand outs.  Do not expect them to do business with Corporate America if they establish business for the same reasons.

 

You see in your world one race can be allowed to discriminate against others and if they do,these others should have nothing to say.

Guyana and the US are two different animals. Corporate American salaries can surpass most entrepreneurial efforts. In Guyana it is the reverse where private enterprise will give a larger income than govt or corporate employment. 

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
they collected bribes from the IndoGuyanese business people,


I guess this is the only group which concerns you, so forget about the thousands of poor Indos forced to flee to Venezuela and elsewhere to escpate the discrimination which they faced under Burnham.  After all they had nothing to bribe any one with.

Some IndoG business people who knew who to bribe actually did very well under Burnham. However they were few and far in between and the draconian PNC laws stifled growth in the country, hence success was limited. Under Hoyte and the PPP the floodgates opened, those same IndoG business people who bribed actually preferred Hoyte as his administration accepted less bribes than the current PPP. However Hoyte did not have the legitimate right to be leader as he was not elected by the people. Guyana under the PPP was a disaster under the Jagan's years, until BJ grew some balls and implemented phantomizing to control the criminals and take the teeth out of mo fiah slow fiah. However you will note that recently the PNC/AFC elements have become embolden and another dose of phantomizing would do the country some good in the near future.  


The growth of Guyana is due to the liberalizing under Hoyte who was forced by the IMF and others to do this.  And by gold and remittances.

 

Given that the liberalization of the eco0bomy has nothingto do with the PPP, who under Jagan would not have done so had Hoyte not already made that mogve,  But high gold prices are way beyond the PPPs sphere of influence.

 

As we can see sugar,given high priority under the PPP, which saw it as Guyana's most important industry, so much that they spent millions on Skeldon, is a mess.

 

Why not urge them to sell Guysuco as they sold off Guymine?  Instead they subsidize an industry that is beyond help for RACIAL reasons.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

The growth of Guyana is due to the liberalizing under Hoyte who was forced by the IMF and others to do this.  And by gold and remittances.

 

Given that the liberalization of the eco0bomy has nothingto do with the PPP, who under Jagan would not have done so had Hoyte not already made that mogve,  But high gold prices are way beyond the PPPs sphere of influence.

 

As we can see sugar,given high priority under the PPP, which saw it as Guyana's most important industry, so much that they spent millions on Skeldon, is a mess.

 

Why not urge them to sell Guysuco as they sold off Guymine?  Instead they subsidize an industry that is beyond help for RACIAL reasons.

The Guyanese economy goes beyond gold as you will note that gold has seen a spike in recent years. Under Jagdeo's tutelage Guyana saw massive improvements via various means as investor confidence increased and pnc/afc criminal elements were phantomized. It is quite amazing that Guyana was able to progress during these times considering the crime wave and mo fiah slow fiah. You will note that it is not the job of government to create industry and run business, they are there to facilitate, not spearhead as in a communist nation. It is up to the private investors to take this lead, so to keep blaming any govt, ppp or pnc for lack of industry is limited. The PNC were the ones who stifled industry and drove out the private investors via nationalization and other draconian means. The PPP and Hoyte reversed this to some extent but we still see high corporate rates and taxes that are a barrier to development. But I believe it all balances out as corporations and individuals always find means to bypass the tax man via corrupt means, so high tax rates creates a balance. 

 

With regards to Guysuco, I always maintained that govt should privatize or divest itself from the any industry including media. The Skeldon experiment was ill advised by Booker Tate. Now Guyanese are left holding the bag. 

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
the people. Guyana under the PPP was a disaster.  

Until high prices for gold and rice and continued high levels of remittances saved them.

 

Really druggie all you can scream is that the PPP used some black and Indian criminals to kill other black and Indian criminals.

 

Aside from this there doesnt seem to be anything else going for the PPP in your eyes.

 

I can tell you this, despite his warts Jagan was a humanist.  He sincerely cared for Guyanese, even if he cared less for Afro and mixed Guyanese.

 

Jagdeo just wished money in his pocket for him and his friends and to hell with everybody else.

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
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The Guyanese economy goes beyond gold as you will note that gold has seen a spike in recent years. Under Jagdeo's tutelage Guyana saw massive improvements via various means as investor confidence increased and pnc/afc criminal elements were phantomized. It is quite amazing that Guyana was able to progress during these times considering the crime wave and mo fiah slow fiah. You will note that it is not the job of government to create industry and run business, they are there to facilitate, not spearhead as in a communist nation. It is up to the private investors to take this lead, so to keep blaming any govt, ppp or pnc for lack of industry is limited. The PNC were the ones who stifled industry and drove out the private investors via nationalization and other draconian means. The PPP and Hoyte reversed this to some extent but we still see high corporate rates and taxes that are a barrier to development. But I believe it all balances out as corporations and individuals always find means to bypass the tax man via corrupt means, so high tax rates creates a balance. 

 

With regards to Guysuco, I always maintained that govt should privatize or divest itself from the any industry including media. The Skeldon experiment was ill advised by Booker Tate. Now Guyanese are left holding the bag. 

I find it interesting that you boast about increased investor confidence, yet blame them for not upgrading our economy beyond extracting and exporting raw commodities.  How confident are they if the bulk of their investment are in low risk activities like shopping malls which benefit from recycling of remittances and gold earnings?

 


 

 

I asked you for evidence that our export sector is being more diversified and that there is more valued added processing occurring in Guyana.  All you can scream is that Jagdeo used one set of criminals to kill off another set.

 

 

BTW it has been almost 30 years since the PNC has advocated nationalization or overtly anti private sector initiatives.  Indeed you admitted how popular Hoyte was among the Indo business class.

 

 

If gold prices collapse Guyana will suffer immensely.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

I find it interesting that you boast about increased investor confidence, yet blame them for not upgrading our economy beyond extracting and exporting raw commodities.  How confident are they if the bulk of their investment are in low risk activities like shopping malls which benefit from recycling of remittances and gold earnings?

 


 

 

I asked you for evidence that our export sector is being more diversified and that there is more valued added processing occurring in Guyana.  All you can scream is that Jagdeo used one set of criminals to kill off another set.

 

 

BTW it has been almost 30 years since the PNC has advocated nationalization or overtly anti private sector initiatives.  Indeed you admitted how popular Hoyte was among the Indo business class.

 

 

If gold prices collapse Guyana will suffer immensely.

Again I don't expect a section 8 communist to understand the role of govt, not to run business but to facilitate. It is up to private investors to run industry. Govt can be blamed for providing a good business environment, however they are not to be blamed for variables beyond their control that prevent industry from developing via the private sector. 

 

Once a PNC always a PNC, 30 years make no difference, they destroyed the nation and should not be allowed to bring the country back to the dark ages of Guylines, rice flour and blackeye dhall.

 

I said Hoyte was popular among some of the business class, those who paid bribes and got a competitive advantage over others. Today this is much less prevalent. 

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
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Again I don't expect a section 8 communist to understand the role of govt, not to run business but to facilitate. It is up to private investors to run industry. Govt can be blamed for providing a good business environment, however they are not to be blamed for variables beyond their control that prevent industry from developing via the private sector. 

 

Once a PNC always a PNC, 30 years make no difference, they destroyed the nation and should not be allowed to bring the country back to the dark ages of Guylines, rice flour and blackeye dhall.

 

I said Hoyte was popular among some of the business class, those who paid bribes and got a competitive advantage over others. Today this is much less prevalent. 

The reason why Hoyte is popular is that the amount that business people had to bribe then is a mere fraction of what one must bribe now.  Which buisness man seeks to pay bribes unless this is the only way that things can get done.

 

And you babbled that the people who pay the biggest bribes to the PPP get what they want, so whats new?
So if the govt plays no role then why are you giving them credit.  What has provided incentive for expanded retail and constructgion sectors are earnings from gold and remittances.  So what has the PPP facilitated?

 

And if the role of the govt is to facilitate then why is the govt 100% behind the Marriott?  I firmly disagree that govts should own hotels, except where necessary.  Whyt Guysuco?

 

Indeed this PPP which you endorse seems to be very involved in the economy.

 

And the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce members consider the govt toi be quite corrupt and wasteful.  Yes the very business people feel that this stymies economic activity in Guyana.

 

And those in the hotel sector think that rather than wasting money in a huge airport which Guyana doesnt need.  Even as only ONE airline has significant service to GEO.   They should invest more in PROMOTING Guyhana.  yes playing that very role in facilitation that you feel that govt ought to focus on, rather than in building a bbhotel which the private sector is afraid to be involved in.

 

Imagine after 20 years of PPP rule the average non Caribbean person ha seither never heard of Guyana, maybe vaguely seeing it on a map of South America, but not knowing anything about it.  Or connects it to Jonestown.

 

Yet every where in the world people have heard of Jamaica, and as a result Jamaican products are sold world wide.   Guyana has the best rum in the world, and yet mediocre imports do well, and while our ruem remains unknown.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

The reason why Hoyte is popular is that the amount that business people had to bribe then is a mere fraction of what one must bribe now.  Which buisness man seeks to pay bribes unless this is the only way that things can get done.

 

And you babbled that the people who pay the biggest bribes to the PPP get what they want, so whats new?
So if the govt plays no role then why are you giving them credit.  What has provided incentive for expanded retail and constructgion sectors are earnings from gold and remittances.  So what has the PPP facilitated?

 

And if the role of the govt is to facilitate then why is the govt 100% behind the Marriott?  I firmly disagree that govts should own hotels, except where necessary.  Whyt Guysuco?

 

Indeed this PPP which you endorse seems to be very involved in the economy.

 

And the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce members consider the govt toi be quite corrupt and wasteful.  Yes the very business people feel that this stymies economic activity in Guyana.

 

And those in the hotel sector think that rather than wasting money in a huge airport which Guyana doesnt need.  Even as only ONE airline has significant service to GEO.   They should invest more in PROMOTING Guyhana.  yes playing that very role in facilitation that you feel that govt ought to focus on, rather than in building a bbhotel which the private sector is afraid to be involved in.

 

Imagine after 20 years of PPP rule the average non Caribbean person ha seither never heard of Guyana, maybe vaguely seeing it on a map of South America, but not knowing anything about it.  Or connects it to Jonestown.

 

Yet every where in the world people have heard of Jamaica, and as a result Jamaican products are sold world wide.   Guyana has the best rum in the world, and yet mediocre imports do well, and while our ruem remains unknown.

No, Hoyte was only popular among the businesses that paid bribes because it gave them a competitive advantage over those who didn't want to pay bribes due to ethical reasons. Remember, bribing has a significant cost on the economy as it is a barrier to growth.

When the PPP and Jagan came in, the playing field was leveled and those businesses  that got a leg up by paying bribes were suddenly faced with many more competitors  and no competitive advantage. The business landscape changed and progress was based more on merit rather than who you know or bribed. Still many tried to evade taxes by bribing customs as we have seen over the years. Even Ramjattan used his MP status to import vehicles and evade taxes, now suddenly he is a paragon of virtue. 

As for govt being 100% behind the Marriott, not true, they have a small stake and don't plan on owning the property. In fact they will divest after it is up and running. There are other investors, unnamed due to confidentiality concerns and threats of life and limb from rabid afc/pnc supporters like you. 

If as you claim the PPP is very involved in the economy, they shouldn't. They have to privatize guysuco just as they did every other industry. Their hands needs to be clean of all businesses, however I am afraid that investors would not be running to take over an already ailing sugar industry operating marginally. 

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
 

. . . As for govt being 100% behind the Marriott, not true, they have a small stake and don't plan on owning the property. In fact they will divest after it is up and running. There are other investors, unnamed due to confidentiality concerns and threats of life and limb from rabid afc/pnc supporters . . .

wile e coyote peeling aff he dankey skin . . . putting on he klown mask . . . grinning and braying stupidly

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
 

. . . As for govt being 100% behind the Marriott, not true, they have a small stake and don't plan on owning the property. In fact they will divest after it is up and running. There are other investors, unnamed due to confidentiality concerns and threats of life and limb from rabid afc/pnc supporters . . .

wile e coyote peeling aff he dankey skin . . . putting on he klown mask . . . grinning and braying stupidly


Don't you have papers to grade?

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
 

. . . As for govt being 100% behind the Marriott, not true, they have a small stake and don't plan on owning the property. In fact they will divest after it is up and running. There are other investors, unnamed due to confidentiality concerns and threats of life and limb from rabid afc/pnc supporters . . .

wile e coyote peeling aff he dankey skin . . . putting on he klown mask . . . grinning and braying stupidly


Don't you have papers to grade?

I tink u need a better "arms" supplier . . . ACME not really delivering de goods

 

har de har har har har har har

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

As for govt being 100% behind the Marriott, not true, they have a small stake and don't plan on owning the property. In fact they will divest after it is up and running. There are other investors, unnamed due to confidentiality concerns and threats of life and limb from rabid afc/pnc supporters like you. 

If as you claim the PPP is very involved in the economy, they shouldn't. They have to privatize guysuco just as they did every other industry. Their hands needs to be clean of all businesses, however I am afraid that investors would not be running to take over an already ailing sugar industry operating marginally. 


The govt is 100% behind Marriott because if it fails the private sector investors are 100% protected.   So taxpayers are 100% liable, for govts investment, for loan guarantees and for the guarantee to private investors.

 

This doesnt seem to be a sign of a free enterprise govt.  In fcat all the govt should have been doing is offering tax and import duty concessions to a 100% private sector funded entity.

 

The notion that you have that the PPP is less corrupt than the PNC is laughable.  It is well known that under Burnham/Hoyte bribes where to allow the person demanding this to buy a gold chain.  PPP boys demand a US$ 1 million bribe.

 

The business community is loud in their complaints about govt corruption.  And of course you have yet to explain why Jagdeo, a poor civil servant before the PPP came in, and not benefitting from a huge govt salary and benefits, is now a millionaire.  And he is not the only one.

FM

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