Drugb posted:

What is significant is that they are celebrating emancipation from the PPP. CaribJ confirmed this. . 

And what I wonder is why you think that this is an issue.  Indians screamed their emancipation from the PNC in 1992, and then ended up having to scrub toilets in Barbados and cutting grass in Trinidad.

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

What is significant is that they are celebrating emancipation from the PPP. CaribJ confirmed this. . 

And what I wonder is why you think that this is an issue.  Indians screamed their emancipation from the PNC in 1992, and then ended up having to scrub toilets in Barbados and cutting grass in Trinidad.

Think again, the Indian prospered under the PPP, see how many build mansions and driving lexuses. Of course you will scream drug runnings. How many Blacks under Granger are prospering? Only those that get govt jobs in positions to collect bribes.  

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

What is significant is that they are celebrating emancipation from the PPP. CaribJ confirmed this. . 

And what I wonder is why you think that this is an issue.  Indians screamed their emancipation from the PNC in 1992, and then ended up having to scrub toilets in Barbados and cutting grass in Trinidad.

Think again, the Indian prospered under the PPP, see how many build mansions and driving lexuses.

The few Indians who prospered also did well under Burnham with their gains from smuggling. 

Many Indians fled to scrub toilets, cut grass, or to wipe babies' bottoms.  Some of the more "successful" eke out a living as sales clerks in stores.  Successful people don't leave their country to go to another where they are cheap and exploitable labor. 

In fact there have been a few instances where Trinidadian employers have attacked Guyanese employees when they asked to get paid, though more usually they reported them to immigration.  Guyanese rank #1 in deportees from other Caribbean countries.

So cease your rambling and nonsensical notion that 5% of the Indians can be used to define overall Indian success.  If Indians were doing so well Guyana wouldn't rank near the bottom of every single socio economic indicator, usually ahead of only Haiti.

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

What is significant is that they are celebrating emancipation from the PPP. CaribJ confirmed this. . 

And what I wonder is why you think that this is an issue.  Indians screamed their emancipation from the PNC in 1992, and then ended up having to scrub toilets in Barbados and cutting grass in Trinidad.

Think again, the Indian prospered under the PPP, see how many build mansions and driving lexuses.

The few Indians who prospered also did well under Burnham with their gains from smuggling. 

Many Indians fled to scrub toilets, cut grass, or to wipe babies' bottoms.  Some of the more "successful" eke out a living as sales clerks in stores.  Successful people don't leave their country to go to another where they are cheap and exploitable labor. 

In fact there have been a few instances where Trinidadian employers have attacked Guyanese employees when they asked to get paid, though more usually they reported them to immigration.  Guyanese rank #1 in deportees from other Caribbean countries.

So cease your rambling and nonsensical notion that 5% of the Indians can be used to define overall Indian success.  If Indians were doing so well Guyana wouldn't rank near the bottom of every single socio economic indicator, usually ahead of only Haiti.

You have it reversed, 5% are the ones leaving to work in the tourist industry in the Caribbean. At least 75% of Indians in Guyana were in the middle class during the PPP tenure. Whether this label came from remittance or their earnings is irrelevant. Blacks on the other hand are the majority that give the country bad name when they go to the Caribbean. You will note that they are the trouble who are the majority being deported for bad behavior. 

Drugb posted:

 

You have it reversed, 5% are the ones leaving to work in the tourist industry in the Caribbean. At least 75% of Indians in Guyana were in the middle class during the PPP tenure. . 

And yet Guyana, filled with this middle class people, is so poor.  How come.  I don't think even T&T has a majority middle class population so why is Guyana at the bottom of the pile.

In the 60s and 70s BLACK Guyanese were highly thought of in the  islands.  Maybe its 23 years of PPP rule that now has them worse off than other Caribbean blacks.

And yes some of the remittances comes from the same Indians who you see cutting grass at the side of the road in Barbados.  Or crying into a bottle of rum when their wives dump them for some  black Bajan man (this being a REAL chutney).

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

 

You have it reversed, 5% are the ones leaving to work in the tourist industry in the Caribbean. At least 75% of Indians in Guyana were in the middle class during the PPP tenure. . 

And yet Guyana, filled with this middle class people, is so poor.  How come.  I don't think even T&T has a majority middle class population so why is Guyana at the bottom of the pile.

In the 60s and 70s BLACK Guyanese were highly thought of in the  islands.  Maybe its 23 years of PPP rule that now has them worse off than other Caribbean blacks.

 

And yes some of the remittances comes from the same Indians who you see cutting grass at the side of the road in Barbados.  Or crying into a bottle of rum when their wives dump them for some  black Bajan man (this being a REAL chutney).

 

It is an illusion, you keep saying Guyana is so poor, maybe the Blacks are poor and a small % of Indians. Almost everyone in Guyana have a cell phone and wear the latest nike shoes. Poor is subjective.

Drugb posted:

 

 

It is an illusion, you keep saying Guyana is so poor, maybe the Blacks are poor and a small % of Indians. Almost everyone in Guyana have a cell phone and wear the latest nike shoes. Poor is subjective.

Druggie show that you aren't a complete illiterate and check Guyana's per capita income and its Human Development Index relative to the rest of CARICOM.

Guyana is at the BOTTOM.

Also factor that Guyanese can be found all over CARICOM yet none of the other migrate to Guyana is you want proof. Guyanese are the number one source of professionals and skilled workers seeking work permit waivers under the CSME program. In fact Antigua had to petition CARICOM for the right to restrict entry of nurses and teachers because of the large numbers of Guyanese flocking there.

Druggie the PM of Antigua claims that Guyanese are 20% of the population of that island. That is just under 20k.

So quit your nonsense.

BTW ask yourself how many of those people aren't making those from money sent back from Barbados and elsewhere.

Oh yes. Guyanese have one of the lowest levels of internet access in CARICOM too.

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

 

 

It is an illusion, you keep saying Guyana is so poor, maybe the Blacks are poor and a small % of Indians. Almost everyone in Guyana have a cell phone and wear the latest nike shoes. Poor is subjective.

Druggie show that you aren't a complete illiterate and check Guyana's per capita income and its Human Development Index relative to the rest of CARICOM.

Guyana is at the BOTTOM.

Also factor that Guyanese can be found all over CARICOM yet none of the other migrate to Guyana is you want proof. Guyanese are the number one source of professionals and skilled workers seeking work permit waivers under the CSME program. In fact Antigua had to petition CARICOM for the right to restrict entry of nurses and teachers because of the large numbers of Guyanese flocking there.

Druggie the PM of Antigua claims that Guyanese are 20% of the population of that island. That is just under 20k.

So quit your nonsense.

BTW ask yourself how many of those people aren't making those from money sent back from Barbados and elsewhere.

Oh yes. Guyanese have one of the lowest levels of internet access in CARICOM too.

None of your statements above can be substantiated with facts. The black Guyanese go to these Caribbean nations and behave bad and ruin our reputation. Guyana's greatest resources are its people. I see nothing wrong with Guyanese exporting their skills. 

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

 

 

It is an illusion, you keep saying Guyana is so poor, maybe the Blacks are poor and a small % of Indians. Almost everyone in Guyana have a cell phone and wear the latest nike shoes. Poor is subjective.

Druggie show that you aren't a complete illiterate and check Guyana's per capita income and its Human Development Index relative to the rest of CARICOM.

Guyana is at the BOTTOM.

Also factor that Guyanese can be found all over CARICOM yet none of the other migrate to Guyana is you want proof. Guyanese are the number one source of professionals and skilled workers seeking work permit waivers under the CSME program. In fact Antigua had to petition CARICOM for the right to restrict entry of nurses and teachers because of the large numbers of Guyanese flocking there.

Druggie the PM of Antigua claims that Guyanese are 20% of the population of that island. That is just under 20k.

So quit your nonsense.

BTW ask yourself how many of those people aren't making those from money sent back from Barbados and elsewhere.

Oh yes. Guyanese have one of the lowest levels of internet access in CARICOM too.

None of your statements above can be substantiated with facts. The black Guyanese go to these Caribbean nations and behave bad and ruin our reputation. Guyana's greatest resources are its people. I see nothing wrong with Guyanese exporting their skills. 

Druggie you are an illiterate and ignorant fool. Now please tell me why you cannot find data on GDP per capita and the Human Development Index?  Make Google your friend. 

The PM of Antigua said recently on a visit to Guyana that 20% of that island's population is Guyanese. Feel free to google as these remarks were made recently. Unlike other places the vast majority of the Guyanese on that island are blacks. If the majority were destructive then they would have been deported long ago!

And druggie you can feel free to furnish data to suggest that Indians in Guyana are wealthy.

caribny posted:

And druggie you can feel free to furnish data to suggest that Indians in Guyana are wealthy.

While Drugb takes time to gather his data, here is my take. The majority of Indians in Guyana are NOT WEALTHY although the PPP ruled for 22 years. Those that became very wealthy were friends, families and favorites of the PPP rulers. The average Indian canecutter remained poor, the average Indian rice and cash crop farmer remained poor, the average indian fisherman remained poor. 

Here is the evidence from the WORLD BANK : "The Guyana poverty assessment found that an estimated 43 percent of the population fall below the poverty line using data from the recent Living Standards Measurement Survey. Roughly two thirds of the poor, or 29 percent of the total population, can be further classified as being extremely poor, with an expenditure level below that required to purchase a minimum low-cost diet. The majority of Guyana's poor live in rural areas, while extreme poverty is concentrated in the interior regions. The rural poor are self-employed in agriculture or work as agricultural laborers. Poor rural households have access to adequate land resources, indicating that low productivity is a major cause of poverty. Along the coastal areas,poor households are involved in subsistence agriculture and small-scale rice production. In the interior, subsistence farming is most prevalent. In urban areas, the poor include those employed as wage laborers in a variety of occupations, in small informal businesses, as public servants at the bottom end of the salary scale, and pensioners." 

RURAL AREAS = MOSTLY INDIANS/// RICE + AGRICULTURE = MOSTLY INDIANS

It is a fact that under BOTH the PPP and the PNC their respective support bases didn't benefit, whereas their elite supporters benefitted a great deal.

And in fact under the APNU AFC there is evidence that segments of its own base are being sacrificed to feed the needs of the business elites, few of whom supported them prior to May 2015, though many no doubt have come for their soup, all bought and paid for.

Jagdeo  doesn't have the slightest interest in the plight of the rural poor. After 23 years under the PPP they remain poor.

His screams are about the PPP cronies who now have to figure out how to hide their assets and are upset that their bank accounts are being monitored.

So druggie I look forward to you showing us that Indians in Guyana are the wealthiest people in the Caribbean, because they will have to be in order to offset the fact that Guyanese on the whole are among the poorest.

Gilbakka posted:

caribny posted:

And druggie you can feel free to furnish data to suggest that Indians in Guyana are wealthy.

While Drugb takes time to gather his data, here is my take. The majority of Indians in Guyana are NOT WEALTHY although the PPP ruled for 22 years. Those that became very wealthy were friends, families and favorites of the PPP rulers. The average Indian canecutter remained poor, the average Indian rice and cash crop farmer remained poor, the average indian fisherman remained poor. 

Here is the evidence from the WORLD BANK : "The Guyana poverty assessment found that an estimated 43 percent of the population fall below the poverty line using data from the recent Living Standards Measurement Survey. Roughly two thirds of the poor, or 29 percent of the total population, can be further classified as being extremely poor, with an expenditure level below that required to purchase a minimum low-cost diet. The majority of Guyana's poor live in rural areas, while extreme poverty is concentrated in the interior regions. The rural poor are self-employed in agriculture or work as agricultural laborers. Poor rural households have access to adequate land resources, indicating that low productivity is a major cause of poverty. Along the coastal areas,poor households are involved in subsistence agriculture and small-scale rice production. In the interior, subsistence farming is most prevalent. In urban areas, the poor include those employed as wage laborers in a variety of occupations, in small informal businesses, as public servants at the bottom end of the salary scale, and pensioners." 

RURAL AREAS = MOSTLY INDIANS/// RICE + AGRICULTURE = MOSTLY INDIANS

So Granger will make the average Indian rich?  The two top students for the graduating class at UG and the entrance class into high school are children of canecutters.  Don't knock we down like that!

Bibi Haniffa posted:

 

So Granger will make the average Indian rich? 

What hysterical babbling are you AGAIN indulging in.  FACT. Racists like Druggie and baseman invent the fictive notion of the "wealthy" Indian as part of their strategy to demonize blacks.

This is evidence that the average Indian is NOT better off.

Worldwide Indians are more wealthy than blacks.  In America, Asian women have overtaken white women as top earners.  And the Asian men are closing the gap with the white men in some fields like medicine and technology.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Worldwide Indians are more wealthy than blacks. 

Really.  People in India are much poorer than those in Barbados.

Cease living vicariously through the fact that immigrants from India are disproportionately highly educated.  Go to the Gulf States and a very different picture emerges with those migrant populations.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Worldwide Indians are more wealthy than blacks.  In America, Asian women have overtaken white women as top earners.  And the Asian men are closing the gap with the white men in some fields like medicine and technology.

Why you using America to bolster your claim about the wealth of Indians in Guyana,It's a third world country screwed up by politicians after they got Independence.It can't be comparable to the poorest State in the ole USA.

Prove that a majority of the Indians in Guyana are wealthy,give a percentage instead of using America as a yard stick.

The Gulf States have more Indian doctors than you can imagine. 

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Gilbakka posted:

caribny posted:

And druggie you can feel free to furnish data to suggest that Indians in Guyana are wealthy.

While Drugb takes time to gather his data, here is my take. The majority of Indians in Guyana are NOT WEALTHY although the PPP ruled for 22 years. Those that became very wealthy were friends, families and favorites of the PPP rulers. The average Indian canecutter remained poor, the average Indian rice and cash crop farmer remained poor, the average indian fisherman remained poor. 

Here is the evidence from the WORLD BANK : "The Guyana poverty assessment found that an estimated 43 percent of the population fall below the poverty line using data from the recent Living Standards Measurement Survey. Roughly two thirds of the poor, or 29 percent of the total population, can be further classified as being extremely poor, with an expenditure level below that required to purchase a minimum low-cost diet. The majority of Guyana's poor live in rural areas, while extreme poverty is concentrated in the interior regions. The rural poor are self-employed in agriculture or work as agricultural laborers. Poor rural households have access to adequate land resources, indicating that low productivity is a major cause of poverty. Along the coastal areas,poor households are involved in subsistence agriculture and small-scale rice production. In the interior, subsistence farming is most prevalent. In urban areas, the poor include those employed as wage laborers in a variety of occupations, in small informal businesses, as public servants at the bottom end of the salary scale, and pensioners." 

RURAL AREAS = MOSTLY INDIANS/// RICE + AGRICULTURE = MOSTLY INDIANS

So Granger will make the average Indian rich? [Stick to the specific issue.]  

The two top students for the graduating class at UG and the entrance class into high school are children of canecutters.[Poor canecutters who work hard and sacrifice for their children's education.] 

Don't knock we down like that! [Stating facts and quoting the World Bank are not "knock we down."]

Bibi Haniffa posted:

The Gulf States have more Indian doctors than you can imagine. 

Yet the bulk of Indians living there are virtually slaves!

Bullschitt!!!  They are not the ones on welfare or working for minimum wage jobs!!

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Bullschitt!!!  They are not the ones on welfare or working for minimum wage jobs!!

Do you just prattle aimlessly without knowing what you're talking about?

http://blogs.wsj.com/indiareal...ded-in-saudi-arabia/

Indian Workers Describe Hardship as Thousands Are Stranded in Saudi Arabia

Thousands of Indian workers are stranded in Gulf country without pay or food

For seven months up until July, Indian migrant worker Ikbal Khan says he went to work in Saudi Arabia’s port city of Jeddah without being paid.

Each month, Mr. Khan said, his employer, the construction company Saudi Oger Ltd. told him and his fellow workers that they would be paid the next month. On July 20, the company stopped providing him and his colleagues with food, he said. Soon after, water became scarce. Since then, he says, many of his colleagues have stopped going to work.

“People are drinking water for bathing,” said Mr. Khan, a 34-year-old from the northwestern Indian state of Rajasthan, who was working at the company’s housekeeping unit.

Mr. Khan said he was given some money during the Muslim festival of Ramadan in June but now the “company doesn’t give a response.”

Mr. Khan is one of thousands of Indian nationals stranded in Saudi Arabia with no money or permission to leave the country.

Around 3,000 Indian employees of Saudi Oger were, like Mr. Khan, left without food after the cash-strapped company effectively shut the kitchens of several labor camps two weeks ago. Many workers said they hadn’t been paid for seven months.

Saudi Oger didn’t respond to several requests to comment. The company, led by the former Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri, hasn’t made any public statements since the crisis started.

India’s government on Wednesday started a rescue operation for the workers, who need their employer to issue a so-called no-objection certificate to leave the kingdom. The Saudi government also pledged to assist the workers.

Yunus Ali Khan, 45-year-old carpenter in Jeddah, said that Saudi Oger owes him a bonus of around 500,000 Indian rupees ($7,500).

He said his family in Rajasthan took out loans because he hasn’t sent money home for eight months, and they expect that when he returns to India, he will be able to repay them.

“How can I go?” without any money, said Mr. Khan.

He said Saudi Oger hasn’t provided the no-objection certificates he and his fellow workers need to leave the country.

“We can’t go home even if we want,” he said.

Mufarrej al-Haqbani, Saudi Arabia’s minister of labor and social development, saidWednesday the government is taking over the distribution of humanitarian aid from the Indian government, and that his ministry has signed agreements with contractors to provide workers with food and medical assistance.

Saudi Arabia said it will provide free transportation to the workers who want to return to India, and guaranteed that all workers—even those who leave the country—will be able to register claims to have their outstanding salaries paid, Saudi and Indian officials said.

India’s ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Javed Ahmad said the Indian government received assurances Riyadh would help the stranded workers obtain exit visas—a requirement for foreign employees.

The situation reflects the economic hardship that is hitting the Gulf, as oil prices stay low.

Saudi Arabia has for decades relied on foreign labor, coming mainly from South Asia, to run its economy.

But while the kingdom is now trying to cut the number of foreign workers – three million Indians live there, about a third of Saudi Arabia’s total population of foreigners –rigid procedures to enter and exit the country remain in place.

Indians who want to move to the cities of Jeddah or Riyadh need to get an agreement with a prospective employer before they leave their home country. Once they’re in Saudi Arabia, their moves are restricted by their employer, who provides them with permission to change jobs or leave the country.

“The visa of foreign employees depends entirely on their employer,” said A. K. Pande, who works at Westerlies, a Delhi-based recruitment agency.

When workers are dismissed, they are effectively stranded.

“If you have an employer that is not a reputable employer, they may not provide you a visa and you’re stuck in the country,” said Anas Akel, a partner at law firm Dentons.

Applications for the around 50 jobs the agency is advertising in a national newspaper have been coming in steadily, but demand is about a quarter lower than last year, said Mr. Pande.

Many Indian workers at Saudi Oger, say the company also hasn’t renewed their “iqamas”– a residency permit for which they need the employer’s sponsorship. The iqama needs to be renewed annually and is required for everything, from opening a bank account to buying a car.

If workers are found walking around town without the iqama, they can end up in jail and have to pay heavy fines. “We can’t even leave our rooms,” said Adam Ali, a 26-year-old plumber in Jeddah.

–Margherita Stancati in Dubai contributed to this article.

caribny posted:

It is a fact that under BOTH the PPP and the PNC their respective support bases didn't benefit, whereas their elite supporters benefitted a great deal.

And in fact under the APNU AFC there is evidence that segments of its own base are being sacrificed to feed the needs of the business elites, few of whom supported them prior to May 2015, though many no doubt have come for their soup, all bought and paid for.

Jagdeo  doesn't have the slightest interest in the plight of the rural poor. After 23 years under the PPP they remain poor.

His screams are about the PPP cronies who now have to figure out how to hide their assets and are upset that their bank accounts are being monitored.

So druggie I look forward to you showing us that Indians in Guyana are the wealthiest people in the Caribbean, because they will have to be in order to offset the fact that Guyanese on the whole are among the poorest.

This would be easily proven if a proper study was done. They may even surpass the Whites of Barbados. 

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

What is significant is that they are celebrating emancipation from the PPP. CaribJ confirmed this. . 

And what I wonder is why you think that this is an issue.  Indians screamed their emancipation from the PNC in 1992, and then ended up having to scrub toilets in Barbados and cutting grass in Trinidad.

Think again, the Indian prospered under the PPP, see how many build mansions and driving lexuses.

The few Indians who prospered also did well under Burnham with their gains from smuggling. 

Many Indians fled to scrub toilets, cut grass, or to wipe babies' bottoms.  Some of the more "successful" eke out a living as sales clerks in stores.  Successful people don't leave their country to go to another where they are cheap and exploitable labor. 

In fact there have been a few instances where Trinidadian employers have attacked Guyanese employees when they asked to get paid, though more usually they reported them to immigration.  Guyanese rank #1 in deportees from other Caribbean countries.

So cease your rambling and nonsensical notion that 5% of the Indians can be used to define overall Indian success.  If Indians were doing so well Guyana wouldn't rank near the bottom of every single socio economic indicator, usually ahead of only Haiti.

You have it reversed, 5% are the ones leaving to work in the tourist industry in the Caribbean. At least 75% of Indians in Guyana were in the middle class during the PPP tenure. Whether this label came from remittance or their earnings is irrelevant. Blacks on the other hand are the majority that give the country bad name when they go to the Caribbean. You will note that they are the trouble who are the majority being deported for bad behavior. 

You lie like a skunk. If 75 percent of Indians were middle class how come we barely beat Haiti on the poverty index? Indians make up the majority of immigrants from Gy to the Caribbean. 

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

It is a fact that under BOTH the PPP and the PNC their respective support bases didn't benefit, whereas their elite supporters benefitted a great deal.

And in fact under the APNU AFC there is evidence that segments of its own base are being sacrificed to feed the needs of the business elites, few of whom supported them prior to May 2015, though many no doubt have come for their soup, all bought and paid for.

Jagdeo  doesn't have the slightest interest in the plight of the rural poor. After 23 years under the PPP they remain poor.

His screams are about the PPP cronies who now have to figure out how to hide their assets and are upset that their bank accounts are being monitored.

So druggie I look forward to you showing us that Indians in Guyana are the wealthiest people in the Caribbean, because they will have to be in order to offset the fact that Guyanese on the whole are among the poorest.

This would be easily proven if a proper study was done. They may even surpass the Whites of Barbados. 

Dr Thomas has a study albeit some 10 years old. Gampat and Somdat wrote on it also. The best view is on the WB survey. With the average income being just above 4K how rich can people be?

2013 data.....

Poverty Statistics
Roughly two-thirds of Guyanese citizens living in poverty, or 29% of the population, can be classified as being extremely poor. Most of the poor live in rural areas and work as agricultural laborers. Though Guyana’s farmers have access to adequate land resources, their productivity is extremely low.

Guyana has one of the highest maternal mortality rates in Latin America, with 280 deaths per 100,000 live births. Its infant mortality rate is the 66th highest in the world, with 34.45 deaths per 1,000 live births. These grave statistics can be attributed in part to the low density of physicians, with just .59 doctors per 1,000 people. 1.2 percent of Guyana’s population is living with HIV/AIDS, a rate higher than that of most other Latin American countries.

Drugb posted:

 

This would be easily proven if a proper study was done. They may even surpass the Whites of Barbados. 

Guyana is the poorest CARICOM nation, aside from Haiti.  Barbados is one of the richest.

Clearly you are being sarcastic and facetious when you claim that Guyanese Indians living in Guyana might be richer than Barbados resident whites.

So please explain how it is possible for Indians to be richer than white Bajans. Operate from the premise that in the late 50s almost 10% of the population were white and now its less than3%.  This is because the poor and the middle class whites left, with only the richest ones remaining on that island.

So the richest people in the 3rd richest CARICOM nation (behind The Bahamas and T&T) are poorer than the 2nd poorest (ahead of only Haiti, and behind even Dominica and St Vincent).

In 2010 only 67% of Guyanese had access to plumbing within their homes or their yards. 98% of Bajans had that.  In fact within the English speaking Caribbean Guyana was LAST. Belize was 80%.  Belize's population is more scattered across its interior than is Guyana where most are either on the coast or in towns like Linden or Bartica. 

Dominica, with its mainly rural populations living in mountains slopes and isolated valleys had 70% of its population with this access.  In 2000 only around 35% of Dominicans had access to plumbing in their homes or yards.  About 50% of Guyanese had this.

Note that the PPP had been in power for 18 years by 2010.

Note that even Suriname, with its large population of interior dwelling Maroons living in isolated settlements, was on par with Guyana, and note that there had been civil wars within the interior.  This would put Suriname AHEAD of Guyana if we just looked at the coast.

Stormborn posted:

2013 data.....

Poverty Statistics
Roughly two-thirds of Guyanese citizens living in poverty, or 29% of the population, can be classified as being extremely poor. Most of the poor live in rural areas and work as agricultural laborers. Though Guyana’s farmers have access to adequate land resources, their productivity is extremely low.

Guyana has one of the highest maternal mortality rates in Latin America, with 280 deaths per 100,000 live births. Its infant mortality rate is the 66th highest in the world, with 34.45 deaths per 1,000 live births. These grave statistics can be attributed in part to the low density of physicians, with just .59 doctors per 1,000 people. 1.2 percent of Guyana’s population is living with HIV/AIDS, a rate higher than that of most other Latin American countries.

I challenge Druggie to find any indicator which puts Guyana ahead of other CARICOM nations.

Stormborn posted:

? Indians make up the majority of immigrants from Gy to the Caribbean. 

http://www.kaieteurnewsonline....9s-destiny-in-unity/

Note that Guyanese Indians are reportedly treated even worse than Guyanese blacks in Barbados.  This was in 2010 during Jagdeo's regime.

Stormborn posted:

2013 data.....

Poverty Statistics
Roughly two-thirds of Guyanese citizens living in poverty, or 29% of the population, can be classified as being extremely poor. Most of the poor live in rural areas and work as agricultural laborers. Though Guyana’s farmers have access to adequate land resources, their productivity is extremely low.

Guyana has one of the highest maternal mortality rates in Latin America, with 280 deaths per 100,000 live births. Its infant mortality rate is the 66th highest in the world, with 34.45 deaths per 1,000 live births. These grave statistics can be attributed in part to the low density of physicians, with just .59 doctors per 1,000 people. 1.2 percent of Guyana’s population is living with HIV/AIDS, a rate higher than that of most other Latin American countries.

29% refers to mostly Buckman and Blacks, Indians are 1%. They know if they throw some seeds on the ground it will grow. 

Stormborn posted:

You lie like a skunk. If 75 percent of Indians were middle class how come we barely beat Haiti on the poverty index? Indians make up the majority of immigrants from Gy to the Caribbean. 

That's because the bucks and blacks skew the results, they make up more than 50% of the population. 

caribny posted:

And yet Guyana, filled with this middle class people, is so poor.  How come.  I don't think even T&T has a majority middle class population so why is Guyana at the bottom of the pile.

In the 60s and 70s BLACK Guyanese were highly thought of in the  islands.  Maybe its 23 years of PPP rule that now has them worse off than other Caribbean blacks.

 

And yes some of the remittances comes from the same Indians who you see cutting grass at the side of the road in Barbados.  Or crying into a bottle of rum when their wives dump them for some  black Bajan man (this being a REAL chutney).

 

The reputation of the Black Guyanese(known as choke and rob throughout the Caribbean) has little or nothing to do with the PPP.  The values of the Guyanese Blacks have changed as they listen to apologists like you and d2. They sit back and wait for reparations instead of hustling to make their lives better via education and entrepreneual efforts. 

Drugb posted:

Stormborn posted:

You lie like a skunk. If 75 percent of Indians were middle class how come we barely beat Haiti on the poverty index? Indians make up the majority of immigrants from Gy to the Caribbean. 

That's because the bucks and blacks skew the results, they make up more than 50% of the population. 

Druggie I know that literacy isn't your thing, but didn't you notice the bit about poverty among rural AGRICULTURAL families. Now from what you know of Guyana you will admit that this includes lots of Indians.

Drugb posted:

 

The reputation of the Black Guyanese(known as choke and rob throughout the Caribbean) has little or nothing to do with the PPP.  The values of the Guyanese Blacks have changed as they listen to apologists like you and d2. They sit back and wait for reparations instead of hustling to make their lives better via education and entrepreneual efforts. 

This is why I call you a brown bai KKK. Spewing with racist bilge exactly what people like Rush Limbaugh will scream.

caribny posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

 

So Granger will make the average Indian rich? 

What hysterical babbling are you AGAIN indulging in.  FACT. Racists like Druggie and baseman invent the fictive notion of the "wealthy" Indian as part of their strategy to demonize blacks.

This is evidence that the average Indian is NOT better off.

That's Bibi's diversionary tactic.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Worldwide Indians are more wealthy than blacks.  In America, Asian women have overtaken white women as top earners.  And the Asian men are closing the gap with the white men in some fields like medicine and technology.

Bibi betrays her kinship with oligarchs. Yes there is truth to her statement, but it's not the whole truth. In the context of making the Indian race the superior one it is, she ought to mention the callous disregard to the hundreds of millions of Indian who live in poverty.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

The Gulf States have more Indian doctors than you can imagine. 

What does this have to do with 90% of the world's Indian population who live in poverty?

Bibi Haniffa posted:

How much respect does Granger and the PNC have for Indians.  NONE!!!!

Bibi..... Cain Just show me the Minority PPP ....... Scratching away ...... Look all dem loosers Itching and Scratchng ...... while Moses and Granger .... Leading Guyana with the AFC/APNU majority

Bibi is anti-Indian. She exalts the oligarch Indians (see PPP clique and family) and ignores the 90% of poor Indians. She is your typical class warrior.

Kari posted:

Bibi is anti-Indian. She exalts the oligarch Indians (see PPP clique and family) and ignores the 90% of poor Indians. She is your typical class warrior.

 

She isn't the only one. In Guyana a high majority of the wealth and assets are in the hands of Indians.  The fact is that it is a SMALL % of the Indian population which had all of this.   The only purpose that this serves the average Indian is a notion of "ahbe pan tap".  I am not even sure if the average Indian cares about that either.

It doesn't do the average Indian in Guyana any good to peddle a myth that poverty isn't an issue within this population.  But this is frequently done as part of the whole "black man lazy" ideology that druggie, baseman, seignet and others peddle.