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LGE Today

 

by Ravin Singh
TODAY Guyanese will head to the polls to exercise their franchise at the local democratic level after having been starved of this opportunity for over two decades. According to GECOM – Guyana’s election regulatory body – 507,633 electors are registered on the Official Voters’ List and a total of 1,562 Polling Stations will facilitate the voting process.
With the ballots for outlying areas transported via aircraft yesterday, GECOM has advised that polling stations across the country will open promptly at 6:00 am. The ballots for Georgetown and locations near the capital were expected to be transported at 3:00am this morning. Security measures have been put in place and the support in this regard will be rendered by the Guyana Police Force (GPF).

Touted as a monumental move by the 10-month old APNU+AFC coalition Government, these elections represent the restoration of democracy at the community level. Upon its assumption of office last year, the Government quickly, but proficiently pushed through the delayed legislation, and moved towards making good on its promise to host the elections.
And although the opposition had vigorously argued that the elections could not be held since the GECOM did not have the necessary infrastructure and machinery in place, the elections regulatory body had contended that it was ready. Government, through the Minister of Local Government then announced in November of last year that the elections would be held on March 18, 2016.

The total number of groups, political parties and individual candidates contesting these elections, as was stated by GECOM is 83. These include three political parties, 17 voluntary groups and 63 individual candidates.
But concerns had been raised about political parties contesting these elections, given the fact that they control and dominate the General Elections. And while there are no provisions barring political parties from contesting Local Government Elections (LGEs), President David Granger had justified the move stating that what is important is that residents have a choice to directly elect their representatives.

And while these calls for the political parties to exclude themselves from the elections fell on deaf ears, the assurance of a victory by any of these parties was threatened by the emergence of voluntary groups contesting these overdue elections.
In Georgetown for instance, Team Benschop for Mayor, led by political activist Mark Benschop, is challenging strongly given his long record of engagement at the grassroots level. Additionally, two new groups, Team Legacy and Youths for Local Government, have further intensified the political atmosphere by primarily targeting youths,the majority of whom will for the first time vote at LGEs. Independent candidates too, though not exposed to the public as much as the popular figures and groups, have confidently backed themselves, fancying their chances based on community involvement over the years.

But given the dynamics of these elections and it not being as highly polarised at General Elections, it has been difficult, even for analysts to predict how the voting will swing today.
Attracting a favourable amount of attention from the public however, is constituency 14 (South Ruimveldt Park/Ruimveldt Industrial Estate) which is speculated to be the area which is likely to produce the mayor. This perception is widely held for two reasons.

First, Benschop, who is competing as a candidate in this constituency, has identified himself to be voted as mayor should his team control the composition of the council. Second, APNU+AFC candidate Sherod Duncan has been the frontrunner in the coalition’s campaign, garnering much support after the first Georgetown debate which he dominated. Complementing this is the fact that Duncan has been actively involved in the country’s clean-up campaign and several environmental projects which were widely reported on in the press.
However, the debates did not only provide a platform for other candidates to promote themselves, but for them to provide glimpses of what they have to offer their constituencies should they be elected to serve as councillors.

The level of enthusiasm among the electorate too was described by many as having been dull and incomparable to that of General Elections. The contention was held that GECOM had not done a very good job in its public voter education drive. And while this might be true, it must be appreciated that the infrequency of LGEs over the decades, has resulted in the population not being socialised to acknowledge the importance of these elections.
And despite this, what is certain is that a faction of the country is in a heightened state of anxiety and appreciation for the opportunity to take back control of their communities after having them reduced to, and referred to as sections of a garbage city.

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The local government election is not a win for any Political Party,it's a win for the people democracy have been restored by the APNU/AFC caolition govt,the PPP stymied these elections for over 20 yrs,Indians are again mislead by the PPP they don't understand what is Local Govt.I talked to my niece who is voting today and explained  how it works in the USA,i haven't  told her who to vote for that is her choice.

Django
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So then please tell us what is local government as it pertains to Guyana, and if it is not a win for any political party, then why are parties contesting the elections.

How are Indians misled by the PPP?

Bibi Haniffa

The President Votes!

President David Granger and First Lady, Mrs. Sandra Granger have cast their ballots in the first Local Government Elections in two decades in Guyana.

The First couple voted at the polling station located at Enterprise Primary School and the President expressed pride in that fact that after years of fighting for local democracy to be returned to Guyana, this has now been achieved for the benefit of all Guyanese.

FM

Very low turnout at Local Govt Elections

 
No queue up to 7:15 AM at a polling station at Kingston Secondary School, Barrack Street.

No queue up to 7:15 AM at a polling station at Kingston Secondary School, Barrack Street.

Voters were Friday morning trickling in to polling stations across several areas of Guyana to vote in Local Government Elections for the first time since 1994.

“The process is fast and smooth. Lines are short and people are going in but it is not the kind of build-up like General Elections,” a resident on the East Bank Demerara who just returned from voting told Demerara Waves Online News.

The 1,562 polling stations opened at 6 AM and will close at 6 PM. The Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) says 507, 633 are registered to vote  for representatives of three political parties, 17 voluntary groups and 63 individual candidates in a mixed system of Proportional Representation and First Past the Post.

Local polls are constitutionally due every three years, but they have been delayed for several decades due to a number of reasons including the need for legal reforms to make the system more responsive to the needs of communities.

SOURCE: http://demerarawaves.com/2016/...ocal-govt-elections/

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:

So then please tell us what is local government as it pertains to Guyana, and if it is not a win for any political party, then why are parties contesting the elections.

How are Indians misled by the PPP?

Oww now you want me to explain,you are aware how it works.

I guh pull a DG..pun you "do your own research"

Django

Honestly, I am not sure of all the intricacies of Guyana's LGE.  You seem to be well versed so I would like to learn something from you.  I have learnt some interesting things from people on this site.

Bibi Haniffa
Django posted:

The local government election is not a win for any Political Party,it's a win for the people democracy have been restored by the APNU/AFC caolition govt,the PPP stymied these elections for over 20 yrs,Indians are again mislead by the PPP they don't understand what is Local Govt.I talked to my niece who is voting today and explained  how it works in the USA,i haven't  told her who to vote for that is her choice.

The results will show that there are only two political parties in Guyana, AFC is dead. If the PPP wins the Local Government Election, it will show that something fishy went on in the General election.

K
Django posted:

The local government election is not a win for any Political Party,it's a win for the people democracy have been restored by the APNU/AFC caolition govt,the PPP stymied these elections for over 20 yrs,Indians are again mislead by the PPP they don't understand what is Local Govt.I talked to my niece who is voting today and explained  how it works in the USA,i haven't  told her who to vote for that is her choice.

I am happy you reiterated this fact. LGE is to formalize local authorities and cultivate a character of accountability of citizens to local processes. It is empowering in individuals to collect taxes and rates and identify centers of authority to solve local problems. The PPP see this as a campaign to bootstrap them into power once again.

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:

So then please tell us what is local government as it pertains to Guyana, and if it is not a win for any political party, then why are parties contesting the elections.

How are Indians misled by the PPP?

Clearly you have become indoctrinated by the contentious political atmosphere to see everything in terms of party and neglect the fact that local regions need to be managed and by the best. The emphasis on party here distorts this process and cultivate yes men rather than leaders with an urge to solve local problems.

FM
kp posted:
Django posted:

The local government election is not a win for any Political Party,it's a win for the people democracy have been restored by the APNU/AFC caolition govt,the PPP stymied these elections for over 20 yrs,Indians are again mislead by the PPP they don't understand what is Local Govt.I talked to my niece who is voting today and explained  how it works in the USA,i haven't  told her who to vote for that is her choice.

The results will show that there are only two political parties in Guyana, AFC is dead. If the PPP wins the Local Government Election, it will show that something fishy went on in the General election.

No  it will not. The constituencies for local authorities are vastly different. at the national level it is by 10 regions are to award 65 seats

FM
Stormborn posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

So then please tell us what is local government as it pertains to Guyana, and if it is not a win for any political party, then why are parties contesting the elections.

How are Indians misled by the PPP?

Clearly you have become indoctrinated by the contentious political atmosphere to see everything in terms of party and neglect the fact that local regions need to be managed and by the best. The emphasis on party here distorts this process and cultivate yes men rather than leaders with an urge to solve local problems.

So then we should not have elections whereby political parties are contesting! 

Bibi Haniffa
kp posted:
Django posted:

The local government election is not a win for any Political Party,it's a win for the people democracy have been restored by the APNU/AFC caolition govt,the PPP stymied these elections for over 20 yrs,Indians are again mislead by the PPP they don't understand what is Local Govt.I talked to my niece who is voting today and explained  how it works in the USA,i haven't  told her who to vote for that is her choice.

The results will show that there are only two political parties in Guyana, AFC is dead. If the PPP wins the Local Government Election, it will show that something fishy went on in the General election.

Suh you saying the LGE is a benchmark to settle the doubt of the last General Elections,that is not the purpose of LGE.

Django
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Stormborn posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

So then please tell us what is local government as it pertains to Guyana, and if it is not a win for any political party, then why are parties contesting the elections.

How are Indians misled by the PPP?

Clearly you have become indoctrinated by the contentious political atmosphere to see everything in terms of party and neglect the fact that local regions need to be managed and by the best. The emphasis on party here distorts this process and cultivate yes men rather than leaders with an urge to solve local problems.

So then we should not have elections whereby political parties are contesting! 

That would be preferably but not necessary. The point is people are required to be more responsive to constituency than to party here if they are to be true leaders.

FM
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Pointblank posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Vote PPP/C12715315_191250214571269_4526775287463756167_n[2]

Like the shyte over flow and stain the outside of the cup

 

Look at that brilliant comment. And people were saying that you are one of the dull ones on this site.  Just goes to show.......

Bibi Haniffa
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Vote PPP/C12715315_191250214571269_4526775287463756167_n[2]

Poor Bibi.  Content to be a Jagdeo slave for the rest of her life.

So when some village in Berbice is overwhelmed with Zika mosquitoes you will blame G/town, a city over 100 miles away.

Of course, because the stooges who Jagdeo selected probably don't even live in the village, so couldn't care less if ChickV, Zika, or dengue overwhelms the village!

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:

So

How are Indians misled by the PPP?

LGE is to allow local communities to select THEIR OWN leaders.  NOT to endorse leaders selected by Jagdeo. 

This is to ensure that those selected are 100% loyal to the community, which can vote them out, and not to Jagdeo, who selected them, and then brainwashed the village to endorse his selection.

Interesting that black people understand what LGE is about and we see the emergence of community based groups.

Interesting that Indians remain tied to the same rusty cup, which has enslaved them for over 60 years!

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:

if it is not a win for any political party, then why are parties contesting the elections.

 

Because the parties, especially the PPP, want to prevent true grass roots level democracy from arising in Guyana.

I cannot imagine NYC residents slavishly voting for some stooge selected by Obama, who will be reliant on Obama to remain in office.

Yet this is what you desire for the Indo areas of Guyana.

If G/Town selects APNU/AFC then at least they did so over two viable alternate choices.

FM
kp posted:
 If the PPP wins the Local Government Election, it will show that something fishy went on in the General election.

Given that the election is LOCAL, then explain how the PPP can "win" the election. Voters in G/town are voting for THEIR OWN city councilors. ditto those in Rose Hall.

So how does this translate into a "win".  The only win will be in each INDIVIDUAL community!

My God the PPP idiots are really a bunch of enslaved primitives!

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:
 

So then we should not have elections whereby political parties are contesting! 

This was what people have been trying to say. 

You will notice that it is ONLY the PPP, among the major parties, which have been engaging in major campaigns.  Granger has been mainly urging people to vote!

FM
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Chief posted:

Hope my friend wins in Corriverton.

If he is with the PNC, he kaak duck.

 He is independent but  is running against the PPP machinery.

He kaak still duck. The only way he can win if the election is rigged like old times when Sydney Jackman won.

FM
kp posted:
Django posted:

The local government election is not a win for any Political Party,it's a win for the people democracy have been restored by the APNU/AFC caolition govt,the PPP stymied these elections for over 20 yrs,Indians are again mislead by the PPP they don't understand what is Local Govt.I talked to my niece who is voting today and explained  how it works in the USA,i haven't  told her who to vote for that is her choice.

The results will show that there are only two political parties in Guyana, AFC is dead. If the PPP wins the Local Government Election, it will show that something fishy went on in the General election.

In the last general elections, it was reported that the PNC/AFC won with about 5,000 votes and as noted by the PNC a huge turn out occurred at the MacKenzie area to give such a result. The actual recount was never done to date, with all excuses given by the specific authority.  In any election in the world, with elections results having a difference of about two/three percent, there is always an immediate recount with the presence of representatives from all parties.

It follows that the PNC/AFC has much less support in the other areas of Guyana and cannot conceivable claim to have tremendous support in areas other then MacKenzie and Georgetown.

Local Government elections are for individual areas/constituencies, hence it is left to be seen if the PNC/AFC will win in every area outside of MacKenzie and Georgetown.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Chief posted:

Hope my friend wins in Corriverton.

If he is with the PNC, he kaak duck.

 He is independent but  is running against the PPP machinery.

He kaak still duck. The only way he can win if the election is rigged like old times when Sydney Jackman won.

Same nonsense I speaking about.

Are you saying that the PPP can only loose to  rigging?

What a shame because thier ass got beaten fair and stright in the last general elections.

Again if I hope the Independents kick the PPP ass today in Corriverton also NO 52-74 Village elections where Mr. David Subnauth is also running against the PPP.

Chief
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Chief posted:

Hope my friend wins in Corriverton.

If he is with the PNC, he kaak duck.

 He is independent but  is running against the PPP machinery.

He kaak still duck. The only way he can win if the election is rigged like old times when Sydney Jackman won.

Same nonsense I speaking about.

Are you saying that the PPP can only loose to  rigging?

What a shame because thier ass got beaten fair and stright in the last general elections.

Again if I hope the Independents kick the PPP ass today in Corriverton also NO 52-74 Village elections where Mr. David Subnauth is also running against the PPP.

Hey bro, take it easy. No need to get huffy about it. I have no horse in the race. Everyone, including the international community knows that the PNC were exceptional riggers. So, please hold your horses. If you can give it; you should be able to take it and still be civil about the discussion.
Peace be with you comrade alumnus.

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
kp posted:
Django posted:

The local government election is not a win for any Political Party,it's a win for the people democracy have been restored by the APNU/AFC caolition govt,the PPP stymied these elections for over 20 yrs,Indians are again mislead by the PPP they don't understand what is Local Govt.I talked to my niece who is voting today and explained  how it works in the USA,i haven't  told her who to vote for that is her choice.

The results will show that there are only two political parties in Guyana, AFC is dead. If the PPP wins the Local Government Election, it will show that something fishy went on in the General election.

In the last general elections, it was reported that the PNC/AFC won with about 5,000 votes and as noted by the PNC a huge turn out occurred at the MacKenzie area to give such a result.

National and LGE have nothing to do with each other.

Case in point.  NYC is a fiercely Democratic city.  Hasn't voted for a GOP presidential candidate for over 30 years. 

Yet since 1993 it has only had a Democratic mayor for 3 years.

 

Why do you not think that Guyanese should be allowed the same rights.  At the local level the vote is for the CANDIDATE, NOT the party.

Those who vote party, and don't even take the time to learn who the candidates are, or whether they are suitable, are true simpletons.  But then we have long learned that this best describes PPP supporters.

FM
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Chief posted:
 

Again if I hope the Independents kick the PPP ass today in Corriverton also NO 52-74 Village elections where Mr. David Subnauth is also running against the PPP.

I hope so too, if for no other reason than to signal to Jagdeo that he should NOT be intervening in local gov't elections, unless he is running as a candidate in a municipality.

Why doesn't the PPP emancipate its followers from the mental slavery of thinking that they shouldn't be involved in the full democratic process.  This inclusive of choosing THEIR candidate, and not merely accepting those selected by them.

For various reasons Guyana doesn't have a constituency system, so the MPs are selected by party leadership, and not by the people.

So local gov't is the ONLY space where the people who DIRECT input into who their leaders should be!

FM
skeldon_man posted:
. Everyone, including the international community

Has said that the 2015 was FREE AND FAIR.

The PPP lost.  You all can no longer scream that "black man will never rule Guyana again".

Seriously. GET OVER IT! 

LGE is NOT supposed to be used as a proxy national election.  Folks in G/town and other PNC strongholds know this.  DUMB PPP areas do not!

FM

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