D2 posted:yuji22 posted:Valid question. D2 has publicly stated that he supports the PNC and Shoeman. The PPP will do what the PPP has to do.Asked and answered....now run along and wag your tail elsewhere.
Go and fix the PNC and Shoeman Party. The PPP does not need a Piss Pot like you nor does the PPP need your advice. The PPP will do what the PPP has to do.
When Jagan & Burnham visited India in 1953, Nehru was more sympathetic to Burnham. Nehru was a moderate socialist and he perceived Burnham the same. Nehru actually advised Jagan to tone down his "communist rhetoric". His daughter Indira Gandhi also liked Burnham over Jagan.
I don't know about Nehru talking " jaat" talk with Jagan.
yuji22 posted:D2 posted:yuji22 posted:Valid question. D2 has publicly stated that he supports the PNC and Shoeman. The PPP will do what the PPP has to do.Asked and answered....now run along and wag your tail elsewhere.
Go and fix the PNC and Shoeman Party. The PPP does not need a Piss Pot like you nor does the PPP need your advice. The PPP will do what the PPP has to do.
Not being able to grasp what I am speaking about and believing it is about the PPP makes you more of an idiot that I think you are.
Bibi Haniffa posted:D2 posted:ksazma posted:Even Gilly has probably spent more time in the trenches than Ramson Jr. so would be more reasonable if he wanted to compete for the presidency of Guyana.
Without Ramson, they will lose. Too many forces will be acting against them. The best of the rest are PPP ideologues and expected to be as the PPP, hostile t he the US, friendly with the Chinese, unappealing to the young and hated by the black vote.
Do you know Ramson?
What is it to you whether I do or don't? You think this party is your grand father's legacy and only the insiders and the family can speak to its behavior or its members. Well dummy, it is about Guyana and as long as they are occupying intellectual space on the Guyanese event horizon we get to discuss and form opinions about it and its leaders.
skeldon_man posted:D2,
I have a right to object and protest against this vile ademocratic practice from both party.
If you are so disturbed by the PPP process you see there, go to Guyana, join the PPP and register your complaint. I am sure the membership fee is a nominal amount I can reimburse you.
What do you say?
Why would one want to join such a party? Also, that does not prohibit one from having an opinion of it. After all, it's behavior and practices are on t he Guyanese political canvass.
Baseman posted:Jagdeo tightens the noose!!
Emerging new rules now require candidates to come from the Central Committee.
And here we have the "secret" ballot.
Django posted:Baseman posted:They are in too much disarray!
They can reorganize, it's not too late.
1. The AFC is fighting for their survival and are deeply embarrassed that it was one of their own who shot them. If the coalition loses the AFC will be tossed aside just as the PPP dumped UF. Where is the UF today?
2. Several people who helped the Coalition, but then became disillusioned swearing to never helped them again, are now back on board. Even the PPP concedes that the PNC base are now more mobilized than they were before the NC.
Yes they are in disarray, but less so than before. Now if Jagdeo rode off into the sun and took Anil and Irfaan with them the PPP could demolish them. But with Jagdeo, Anil and Irfaan around, and rumors that Roger Khan will be deported back to Guyana, panic is now setting into broad swathes of the PNC and urban AFC bases.
I said it before and I will say it again. The AFC Berbice Indos didn't deliver many Region 5 or 6 votes so the fact that these people are mobilized behind the PPP matters little.
I am not sure that either side can beat their drums of victory yet. It will be the youth vote that will determine which side wins. The average voting age Guyanese is in their low 30s.
caribny posted:Django posted:Baseman posted:They are in too much disarray!
They can reorganize, it's not too late.
1. The AFC is fighting for their survival and are deeply embarrassed that it was one of their own who shot them.
If the coalition loses the AFC will be tossed aside just as the PPP dumped UF.
Where is the UF today?
PNCR dumped the United Force-UF ... not the PPPC.
Cribby is always making stuff up. 
Anyway, it doesnât matter as I donât think the PNC are holding elections in March.
Demerara_Guy posted:caribny posted:Django posted:Baseman posted:They are in too much disarray!
They can reorganize, it's not too late.
1. The AFC is fighting for their survival and are deeply embarrassed that it was one of their own who shot them.
If the coalition loses the AFC will be tossed aside just as the PPP dumped UF.
Where is the UF today?
PNCR dumped the United Force-UF ... not the PPPC.
He is posting to the bottom feeders, PNC supporters believe him.
D2 posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:D2 posted:ksazma posted:Even Gilly has probably spent more time in the trenches than Ramson Jr. so would be more reasonable if he wanted to compete for the presidency of Guyana.
Without Ramson, they will lose. Too many forces will be acting against them. The best of the rest are PPP ideologues and expected to be as the PPP, hostile t he the US, friendly with the Chinese, unappealing to the young and hated by the black vote.
Do you know Ramson?
What is it to you whether I do or don't? You think this party is your grand father's legacy and only the insiders and the family can speak to its behavior or its members. Well dummy, it is about Guyana and as long as they are occupying intellectual space on the Guyanese event horizon we get to discuss and form opinions about it and its leaders.
Ralph Ramkarran just defected and formed his own party to fight for space.
D2 posted:Baseman posted:Jagdeo tightens the noose!!
Emerging new rules now require candidates to come from the Central Committee.
That is why it may be better that the APNU retains office and the middle ground be held by a third party. The PPP will not change. They do not want to forgo t his friends and family way of pillaging the state. That they choose to embrace more closely an 1921 edict of the third party congress of Lenin, an era so long dead to the rest of us and forgotten by most in the distant, as their guiding principle means they are still ideological communist as the Chinese are maoist. Capitalism under them will alway be crony capitalism.
Relax, you cannot violate the constitution because of an internal process in the PPP. That's their prerogative how they get their candidate as long as it's legal under tge laws of the land. And this move is not violation.
And why you so hyper over Ramson. He is too green for prime time. He will be in the future of Guyana!
Baseman posted:D2 posted:Baseman posted:Jagdeo tightens the noose!!
Emerging new rules now require candidates to come from the Central Committee.
That is why it may be better that the APNU retains office and the middle ground be held by a third party. The PPP will not change. They do not want to forgo t his friends and family way of pillaging the state. That they choose to embrace more closely an 1921 edict of the third party congress of Lenin, an era so long dead to the rest of us and forgotten by most in the distant, as their guiding principle means they are still ideological communist as the Chinese are maoist. Capitalism under them will alway be crony capitalism.
Relax, you cannot violate the constitution because of an internal process in the PPP. That's their prerogative how they get their candidate as long as it's legal under tge laws of the land. And this move is not violation.
And why you so hyper over Ramson. He is too green for prime time. He will be in the future of Guyana!
I was not suggesting that t hey do now with the NCV. Given the behavior of the PPP with that nasty vindictive girly man Jagdeo on the back of potential candidates I would have no qualms of seeing another granger government in office as repugnant I find them.
I am not hyper about Ramson. I am fastidious about democratic precepts. If corrupting it to actualize a jagdeo crony then one sees the finger of this despicable fellow in he Presidency again and th at is enough to churn one's stomach. Guyana would be best served if his disgusting face is no longer there mouthing policies for us. On that account alone I do not mind the PPP losing a plurality if a third party control t he middle two votes in the legislature.
Baseman posted:D2 posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:D2 posted:ksazma posted:Even Gilly has probably spent more time in the trenches than Ramson Jr. so would be more reasonable if he wanted to compete for the presidency of Guyana.
Without Ramson, they will lose. Too many forces will be acting against them. The best of the rest are PPP ideologues and expected to be as the PPP, hostile t he the US, friendly with the Chinese, unappealing to the young and hated by the black vote.
Do you know Ramson?
What is it to you whether I do or don't? You think this party is your grand father's legacy and only the insiders and the family can speak to its behavior or its members. Well dummy, it is about Guyana and as long as they are occupying intellectual space on the Guyanese event horizon we get to discuss and form opinions about it and its leaders.
Ralph Ramkarran just defected and formed his own party to fight for space.
Do you think he is a jagdeo stooge like this nit?
Baseman posted:D2 posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:D2 posted:ksazma posted:Even Gilly has probably spent more time in the trenches than Ramson Jr. so would be more reasonable if he wanted to compete for the presidency of Guyana.
Without Ramson, they will lose. Too many forces will be acting against them. The best of the rest are PPP ideologues and expected to be as the PPP, hostile t he the US, friendly with the Chinese, unappealing to the young and hated by the black vote.
Do you know Ramson?
What is it to you whether I do or don't? You think this party is your grand father's legacy and only the insiders and the family can speak to its behavior or its members. Well dummy, it is about Guyana and as long as they are occupying intellectual space on the Guyanese event horizon we get to discuss and form opinions about it and its leaders.
Ralph Ramkarran just defected and formed his own party to fight for space.
And took a soup drinker - Henry Jeffrey.
ksazma posted:Even Gilly has probably spent more time in the trenches than Ramson Jr. so would be more reasonable if he wanted to compete for the presidency of Guyana.
He might be disqualified since he might be a Canadian. 
Demerara_Guy posted:cWhere is the UF today?PNCR dumped the United Force-UF ... not the PPPC.
The UF was an active party right through the Burnham era. They made an alliance with the PPP and were spat out. So much so that you cannot even remember. They rebranded as the TUF.
Please research which major party Manzoor Nadir was working with. Answer. It wasn't the PNC and he certainly wasn't a major factor in 1968.
Mitwah posted:ksazma posted:Even Gilly has probably spent more time in the trenches than Ramson Jr. so would be more reasonable if he wanted to compete for the presidency of Guyana.
He might be disqualified since he might be a Canadian.
Also he might keep on reading an posting an forget he got wuk fo do.
Django posted:
Lol.
Missy, continue with the big fat LOL. In your mind and many others on GNI, thinks Afro Guyanese are stupid, well there are news for you, huge surprise coming.
Listen the more these people show their claws the more people forget that the didn't like the PNC and focus on what happens to Guyana if both the PPP and Roger Khan show up in 2019.
I am not going to predict who will win. I will just warn Bibi that winning is only 50%. If the PPP cannot govern then so what.
And RK will not have the resources that he once had to rebuild his private militias either. The Colombian cartels dont want him anymore. Given that he spent much of the last few years begging for lock up in isolation so that his little buttocks could get a break he might be a broken man. I suggest that folks look at the recent pics of RK and opine what his mental health might now be.
ksazma posted:.
Secondly, if the PPP choses a candidate that the gets the majority of votes in the upcoming elections, then they would have chosen the candidate that is also supported by the voters. If they chose a candidate that is not, then they would have chosen incorrectly. Who they chose does not become the next president without the consent of the voters.
If the PNC has a dog as its candidate they get at least 40%, the PPP fielding a cow gets 47%. So stop running around as if its the tenor of the presidential candidate will determine who wins. What will determine victory is which tribe shows up to vote. That will be then layered on by those who belong to neither.
As of now both the PNC and the PPP have serious baggage. The PNC has learned what arrogance creates and the PPP will learn it too if they think that they will get away with what they did during the Jagdeo/Ramotar era.
ksazma posted:I was referencing the first 3+ years of the PPP and the first 3+ years of the Coalition.t.
What is relevant is the last 15 years of PPP rule and the 3+ years Coalition rule.
1992 was 26 years ago. Given that the average voter in Guyana is in his low 30s how many do you think care about that era? Especially as the man who led the PPP then died so long ago that many barely remember him. They have more clarity on Roger Khan who, along with Jagdeo, clearly defines how people view the PPP.
skeldon_man posted:You will not see anyone holding a gun in Freedom House during the nominating process.
No need to. Jagdeo knows the 15 who will "decide". He knows how they think, and he will know who voted for whom, if they vote doesnt swing his way.
So they will vote for the candidate that they hear Jagdeo wishes.
ksazma posted:
While I agree that there are talks to eliminate the super delegates in Democratic primaries, that system was used as late as 2016.
Hillary won without even needing the super delegates. Sanders didn't appeal to black voters who probably are almost a quarter of those who vote Democrat, and are vital to any Democrat chances in the Mid Atlantic and Midwest, as well as FL.
Sanders people should stop squawking. The candidate who most motivates black women in the Dem primaries wins. And they are especially mobilized now.
ksazma posted:They have not shown that they can change their bullyism attitude.
The PPP more resemble the GOP and Jagdeo is just like Donald Trump. The coalition is as fractious as the Dems. You know full well that if Charran was in the PPP he wouldn't have dared that stunt. Even in Toronto the PPP would have had someone attack him just as they did to their opponents under the Jagdeo era. The editor of Kaieteur News can tell you all about Jagdeo.
skeldon_man posted:Mitwah posted:Those in the Central Committee are like the Brahmins and in the /C are like the Harijans / Dalits.
Mits, Dr. Jagan did not think so. Nothing wrong with being Dalits. If we as human beings make an honest living, caste or status in life doesn't matter. We should be happy that we provide for our families.
Civic was set up by Jagdeo so that he could place those blacks who helped him win back democracy in a Bantustan so they would have stayed out of the running of the PPP.
Sam Hinds is a great example of that. The constitution said that he should have been president but the PPP would never stomach a black man as the leader so demoted him.
Baseman posted:And why you so hyper over Ramson. He is too green for prime time. He will be in the future of Guyana!
Assuming that Jagdeo/Anil/Irfaan arrogance doesnt lead Guyana into a tribal war with Venezuela invading.
Unless the PPP changes its behavior, and its clear that they haven't, I dont see much good for that country given that those 3 are evil and some are stating that they will do what ever they have to do to prevent a return to the era when private militias terrorized the people of GT. Including Kaieteur News.
Right now some hope that the PPP doesnt get more than 50% and that some new 3rd party holds the balance so that the NC can happen again if the PPP gets out of line.
Wishful thinking. It will be the PPP or the coalition as these new guys dont have the time, the organizational infrastructure, and likely even the funding to motivate voters to them. I see many of AFCs urban vote staying home. We already now that the AFCs Berbice vote ran back to the PPP since 2015.
D2 posted:I was not suggesting that t hey do now with the NCV. Given the behavior of the PPP with that nasty vindictive girly man Jagdeo on the back of potential candidates I would have no qualms of seeing another granger government in office as repugnant I find them.
Well accept Jagdeo, Anil and Irfaan. The PNC isnt ready and the AFC is dead.
ANUG and the Amerindian party aren't going to generate enough support to hold the PPP down to a level less than the coalition. In fact they will peel votes away from the Coalition.
caribny posted:Baseman posted:And why you so hyper over Ramson. He is too green for prime time. He will be in the future of Guyana!
Assuming that Jagdeo/Anil/Irfaan arrogance doesnt lead Guyana into a tribal war with Venezuela invading.
Nah, Trump will intervene! 1500 US troops and the PPP will place the GDF under temporary US command!
Baseman posted:D2 posted:What is it to you whether I do or don't? You think this party is your grand father's legacy and only the insiders and the family can speak to its behavior or its members. Well dummy, it is about Guyana and as long as they are occupying intellectual space on the Guyanese event horizon we get to discuss and form opinions about it and its leaders.Ralph Ramkarran just defected and formed his own party to fight for space.
How is Ralph's party coming along?
caribny posted:skeldon_man posted:Mitwah posted:Those in the Central Committee are like the Brahmins and in the /C are like the Harijans / Dalits.
Mits, Dr. Jagan did not think so. Nothing wrong with being Dalits. If we as human beings make an honest living, caste or status in life doesn't matter. We should be happy that we provide for our families.
Civic was set up by Jagdeo so that he could place those blacks who helped him win back democracy in a Bantustan so they would have stayed out of the running of the PPP.
Sam Hinds is a great example of that. The constitution said that he should have been president but the PPP would never stomach a black man as the leader so demoted him.
Ow bai, how much power does Moses have in the PNC ? He can only bark. You think that if Granger were to croak tomorrow that Congress Place will appoint Moses as President ?
Bai, you are losing your marbles. You better stock up on your meds.
Leonora posted:Baseman posted:D2 posted:What is it to you whether I do or don't? You think this party is your grand father's legacy and only the insiders and the family can speak to its behavior or its members. Well dummy, it is about Guyana and as long as they are occupying intellectual space on the Guyanese event horizon we get to discuss and form opinions about it and its leaders.Ralph Ramkarran just defected and formed his own party to fight for space.
How is Ralph's party coming along?
I starting to see things!
https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...two-weeks-ramkarran/
It seem 200 years gone fuh channa!
Baseman posted:I starting to see things!
https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...two-weeks-ramkarran/
It seem 200 years gone fuh channa!
The whole thing is so funny with Ralphie tossing the 200-year loyalty. Ralphie vs. his GNI family, what a fight! I like his style; and wish him well.
yuji22 posted:caribny posted:skeldon_man posted:Mitwah posted:Those in the Central Committee are like the Brahmins and in the /C are like the Harijans / Dalits.
Mits, Dr. Jagan did not think so. Nothing wrong with being Dalits. If we as human beings make an honest living, caste or status in life doesn't matter. We should be happy that we provide for our families.
Civic was set up by Jagdeo so that he could place those blacks who helped him win back democracy in a Bantustan so they would have stayed out of the running of the PPP.
Sam Hinds is a great example of that. The constitution said that he should have been president but the PPP would never stomach a black man as the leader so demoted him.
Ow bai, how much power does Moses have in the PNC ? He can only bark. You think that if Granger were to croak tomorrow that Congress Place will appoint Moses as President ?
Bai, you are losing your marbles. You better stock up on your meds.
In 1991, Sam Hinds told me that he did not want to be president of Guyana. He said he was content to help throw the PNC out of power. He said the PM position was good enough for him. If he thought he was treated unfairly, he would have come out and said so and stop supporting the PPP. He is still around with the PPP.
Leonora posted:Baseman posted:I starting to see things!
https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...two-weeks-ramkarran/
It seem 200 years gone fuh channa!
The whole thing is so funny with Ralphie tossing the 200-year loyalty. Ralphie vs. his GNI family, what a fight! I like his style; and wish him well.
Leonora, The next time people feed you shit information about other people. Please verify its accuracy before you repeat it on a public forum. It makes you look stupid.
Baseman posted:Leonora posted:Baseman posted:D2 posted:What is it to you whether I do or don't? You think this party is your grand father's legacy and only the insiders and the family can speak to its behavior or its members. Well dummy, it is about Guyana and as long as they are occupying intellectual space on the Guyanese event horizon we get to discuss and form opinions about it and its leaders.Ralph Ramkarran just defected and formed his own party to fight for space.
How is Ralph's party coming along?
I starting to see things!
https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...two-weeks-ramkarran/
It seem 200 years gone fuh channa!
While business people are interested in providing support, he said, many of them do not want to do so publicly for fear of victimization. Businessmen in particular, who are conscious of new investments with the emerging oil and gas sector and who want a more stable political climate than what the opposition Peopleâs Progressive Party/Civic (PPP/C) or A Partnership for National Unity+Alliance For Change (APNU-AFC) have been unable to provide, he said, are also showing an interest in ANUG.
Soup drinkers. They want to buy their influence as they did with the PNC and PPP.
Bibi Haniffa posted:Leonora posted:Leonora, The next time people feed you shit information about other people. Please verify its accuracy before you repeat it on a public forum. It makes you look stupid.
Queen of lies BH scared of losing her crown. Hehehehe
Also if she feedin shit, there are a few on GNI who would readily scoff it up...one even jumped into the cesspool to take a drink.
Leonora posted:Baseman posted:I starting to see things!
https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...two-weeks-ramkarran/
It seem 200 years gone fuh channa!
The whole thing is so funny with Ralphie tossing the 200-year loyalty. Ralphie vs. his GNI family, what a fight! I like his style; and wish him well.
One down ..
a wonder if Henry Jeffrey has dual citizenship also.
Businessman, Terrence Campbell has walked away from the newly formed political party, A New and United Guyana (ANUG), due to what he referred to as âpolarizationâ in the political climate.
The party was being fronted by Campbell, a former heavyweight of the Peopleâs Progressive Party (PPP) Ralph Ramkarran, who is also a former Speaker of the National Assembly, and former PPP government Minister Dr Henry Jeffrey and Attorney-at-law, Timothy Jonas.
In a statement sent to party members and later posted on his Facebook page today, Campbell said: âThe polarization is enough of a deterrent for any aspiring politician,â adding that he does not think the time is right to enter the field of politics.
He added that âa good reading of the climate suggests that this is neither the time nor the place for me to sow my seeds.â
He referred to the issue of dual citizenship which is being pushed by the APNU+AFC Government in its fight against a No-Confidence vote which defeated the administration on December 21, 2018.
In a court case filed by the Government, it is contesting the validity of is former member, Charrandass Persaudâs vote based on the fact that he is also a citizen of Canada.
According to Campbell, the ANAUG steering committee probably has three dual citizens.
On his Facebook page, Mr. Campbell shared a photo of an image being circulated in which he is warned that coalition supporters are looking to boycott businesses owned by him.
He noted that the APNU+AFC campaign is âmisguided.â
According to Campbell, the ANAUG steering committee probably has three dual citizens
Oh Oh.
Baseman posted:caribny posted:Baseman posted:And why you so hyper over Ramson. He is too green for prime time. He will be in the future of Guyana!
Assuming that Jagdeo/Anil/Irfaan arrogance doesnt lead Guyana into a tribal war with Venezuela invading.
Nah, Trump will intervene! 1500 US troops and the PPP will place the GDF under temporary US command!,
Granger will show Trump how Jagdeo screamed after the elections begging Venezuela to invade, and then screaming that Guyana had an obligation to feed Venezuela, even though Venezuela couldn't pay them. Then pictures of Jagdeo with the Iran ayatollahs.
The coup might be to re-install Granger and dump Jagdeo's hand pick. The PPP never seems to learn that angering Uncle Sam never works out for them.
Dave posted:
According to Campbell, the ANAUG steering committee probably has three dual citizens
Oh Oh.
If they open that dual citizenship pandora box only Volda will be left available. I bet even Jagdeo has his Russian or Indian citizenship!
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