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Originally posted by baseman:
Look what the AFC got for touting the Afro rights agenda as a flag-ship message. I am now, once again, convinced Afros will NEVER vote for an Indian even if you share out milk and honey. They will still want the cow and bee hive to go with it.


What about allowing for the fact that the Granger/Roopnarine ticket was more "presidential" than the Ranjattan/Trotman ticket.

From personal knowledge, Granger consults Roopnarine before any decision is made. Does Sam Hinds have similar influence with Ramotar?
FM
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Originally posted by JoKer:
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Originally posted by baseman:
Look what the AFC got for touting the Afro rights agenda as a flag-ship message. I am now, once again, convinced Afros will NEVER vote for an Indian even if you share out milk and honey. They will still want the cow and bee hive to go with it.


What about allowing for the fact that the Granger/Roopnarine ticket was more "presidential" than the Ranjattan/Trotman ticket.

From personal knowledge, Granger consults Roopnarine before any decision is made. Does Sam Hinds have similar influence with Ramotar?

An Indian on the platform is ok. However, for Afros and in fairness also for Indians, they see their interest in the APNU/PNC and PPP respectively. LFSB also consulted with Indians, so I'm not saying Afros and Indians don't work together, far from it. But when it comes to picking a political representative, it's a different story. Racisim is now part of Guyanese Psuedo-DNA.

The AFC is a good "control" as it does not have the type of institutional power of either the PNC or PPP and clearly you see the see-saw of ethinc voters based on the ethnicity of the prime candidate.
FM
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Originally posted by baseman:
Look what the AFC got for touting the Afro rights agenda as a flag-ship message. I am now, once again, convinced Afros will NEVER vote for an Indian even if you share out milk and honey. They will still want the cow and bee hive to go with it.


If the AFC spent no time in Afro areas and spent no time working region 3 and 4 how can you claim the people voted race? This makes no sense.

The fact is the APNU ran a damn good campaign while the AFC only focused in region 5 and 6.

The AFC is reaping the efforts of their work it is simple as that. There are also many other faux pas thatr the AFC made and they paid a heavy price for it.
FM
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Originally posted by baseman:
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Originally posted by JoKer:
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Originally posted by baseman:
Look what the AFC got for touting the Afro rights agenda as a flag-ship message. I am now, once again, convinced Afros will NEVER vote for an Indian even if you share out milk and honey. They will still want the cow and bee hive to go with it.


What about allowing for the fact that the Granger/Roopnarine ticket was more "presidential" than the Ranjattan/Trotman ticket.

From personal knowledge, Granger consults Roopnarine before any decision is made. Does Sam Hinds have similar influence with Ramotar?

An Indian on the platform is ok. However, for Afros and in fairness also for Indians, they see their interest in the APNU/PNC and PPP respectively. LFSB also consulted with Indians, so I'm not saying Afros and Indians don't work together, far from it. But when it comes to picking a political representative, it's a different story. Racisim is now part of Guyanese Psuedo-DNA.

The AFC is a good "control" as it does not have the type of institutional power of either the PNC or PPP and clearly you see the see-saw of ethinc voters based on the ethnicity of the prime candidate.


I can agree to that. I think power devolution from the party leaders is whats needed.
FM
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Originally posted by HM_Redux:
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Originally posted by baseman:
Look what the AFC got for touting the Afro rights agenda as a flag-ship message. I am now, once again, convinced Afros will NEVER vote for an Indian even if you share out milk and honey. They will still want the cow and bee hive to go with it.


If the AFC spent no time in Afro areas and spent no time working region 3 and 4 how can you claim the people voted race? This makes no sense.

The fact is the APNU ran a damn good campaign while the AFC only focused in region 5 and 6.

The AFC is reaping the efforts of their work it is simple as that. There are also many other faux pas thatr the AFC made and they paid a heavy price for it.

The AFC made a few strategic blunders due to arrogance and misguided campaign strategists. However, their attack against the PPP regarding the Afro agenda was part of our platform in which ever region we campaigned. Furthermore, we did have late heavy campaigning in Regions 4 and 10 be so-called "heavy hitters", Raphael and the Hughes family (as Caribj puts it), and have little to show.

We can sugar-coat it, some even blame BJ for injecting racism for AFC's failures, guess what, no one cares, no one wants to hear, the people in Rg 6 are pissed feeling betrayed, our theories and excuses ring hallow. If what you say is true regarding the campaign, then we blew it big time. As they say, you never get a second chance to make a first impression.
FM
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
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Originally posted by JoKer:
Every convo basically goes like this:

"After all the money we spent on dese ppl, these ungrateful blacks still vote PNC"

There goes our "national" party. Big Grin Big Grin


That's what caribj said.


Suh whah happen to all dem nuff Afro voters the PPP claimed it had? Big Grin Big Grin
FM
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Originally posted by JoKer:
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
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Originally posted by JoKer:
Every convo basically goes like this:

"After all the money we spent on dese ppl, these ungrateful blacks still vote PNC"

There goes our "national" party. Big Grin Big Grin


That's what caribj said.


Suh whah happen to all dem nuff Afro voters the PPP claimed it had? Big Grin Big Grin


Why don't you ask caribj?

We spend billions in LINDEN..

Granger preaced racism and convinced that the Indians, Ramoutar and Ramjattan will destroy the themselves. Granger said that they will come up the middle with 38% of the votes, he got 40. pray that the PNC don't get power because it would be the end of Indians living in Guyana. Each Indian household a a family member in North America. They are ready to accomodate them.
FM
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
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Originally posted by JoKer:
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
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Originally posted by JoKer:
Every convo basically goes like this:

"After all the money we spent on dese ppl, these ungrateful blacks still vote PNC"

There goes our "national" party. Big Grin Big Grin


That's what caribj said.


Suh whah happen to all dem nuff Afro voters the PPP claimed it had? Big Grin Big Grin


Why don't you ask caribj?

We spend billions in LINDEN..

Granger preaced racism and convinced that the Indians, Ramoutar and Ramjattan will destroy the themselves. Granger said that they will come up the middle with 38% of the votes, he got 40. pray that the PNC don't get power because it would be the end of Indians living in Guyana. Each Indian household a a family member in North America. They are ready to accomodate them.


Since when is the PPP an "Indian" Party? You guys discover your coolie roots now? Big Grin Big Grin
FM
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Originally posted by JoKer:
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
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Originally posted by JoKer:
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
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Originally posted by JoKer:
Every convo basically goes like this:

"After all the money we spent on dese ppl, these ungrateful blacks still vote PNC"

There goes our "national" party. Big Grin Big Grin


That's what caribj said.


Suh whah happen to all dem nuff Afro voters the PPP claimed it had? Big Grin Big Grin


Why don't you ask caribj?

We spend billions in LINDEN..

Granger preaced racism and convinced that the Indians, Ramoutar and Ramjattan will destroy the themselves. Granger said that they will come up the middle with 38% of the votes, he got 40. pray that the PNC don't get power because it would be the end of Indians living in Guyana. Each Indian household a a family member in North America. They are ready to accomodate them.


Since when is the PPP an "Indian" Party? You guys discover your coolie roots now? Big Grin Big Grin


That is not your concern. Go and sleep with your negro friends..
FM
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Originally posted by baseman:
Look what the AFC got for touting the Afro rights agenda as a flag-ship message. I am now, once again, convinced Afros will NEVER vote for an Indian even if you share out milk and honey. They will still want the cow and bee hive to go with it.


baseman which Afro have Indos ever voted for. AFC was led by Ramjattan and many supporter AFC because of Nagamootoo.

Quit pretending as if they voted for an Afro. If Trotman was at the head and there was no Nagamootoo the AFC would not have attracted the numbers in Berbice that they did and you know this.

GR told you the problem with Afros and rthe AFC so why do you babble about that which you dont know?
FM
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Originally posted by baseman:
late heavy campaigning in Regions 4 and 10 be so-called "heavy hitters", Raphael and the Hughes family (as Caribj puts it), and have little to show.

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A Stress on the LATE after APNU had already won them over.

The AFC goofed...I told them so....you were one who laughed at me so go take your medicine and stop whining. They messed up and got punished.
FM
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
Why don't you ask caribj?

We spend billions in LINDEN..

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This was spent on Indo contractors who brought in Indos as workers and Lindeners got nothing out of it.

I told you long ago but as racist as you all are you dont seem to think that blacks dont wnat charity...they want access to OPPORTUNITY and a role in DECSION MAKING.
FM
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Originally posted by caribj:
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
Why don't you ask caribj?

We spend billions in LINDEN..

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This was spent on Indo contractors who brought in Indos as workers and Lindeners got nothing out of it.

I told you long ago but as racist as you all are you dont seem to think that blacks dont wnat charity...they want access to OPPORTUNITY and a role in DECSION MAKING.

No, spit it out, you want everything, you want pre-1992, you want the milk, the honey, the cow and the bee hive.
FM
we could do all the postmortems but it all came down to security. Indians threw their weight behind the PPP to keep the PNC out of power while the Africans did the same for the APNU - to try to remove the PPP from power.

AFC got the support of the Indians who were disgusted with the way PPP was operating and were willing to take a chance to vote for them mindful of the fact that the APNU could gain power. Many of the disgusted stayed home in silent protest but would never vote for another party because of their loyalty to cheddi. There were also Africans who wanted to part ways with the old ways of the PNC and took the chance of voting for the AFC also mindful that the PPP could still remain in power.

It all came down to fear and insecurity. We must applaud the 35,000 + persons who rejected fear, faced their insecurities and voted to make a difference. They have created history and have forever changed the landscape of politics in Guyana.
FM
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Originally posted by The Blade Runner:
we could do all the postmortems but it all came down to security. Indians threw their weight behind the PPP to keep the PNC out of power while the Africans did the same for the APNU - to try to remove the PPP from power.

AFC got the support of the Indians who were disgusted with the way PPP was operating and were willing to take a chance to vote for them mindful of the fact that the APNU could gain power. Many of the disgusted stayed home in silent protest but would never vote for another party because of their loyalty to cheddi. There were also Africans who wanted to part ways with the old ways of the PNC and took the chance of voting for the AFC also mindful that the PPP could still remain in power.

It all came down to fear and insecurity. We must applaud the 35,000 + persons who rejected fear, faced their insecurities and voted to make a difference. They have created history and have forever changed the landscape of politics in Guyana.


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FM
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Originally posted by The Blade Runner:
we could do all the postmortems but it all came down to security. Indians threw their weight behind the PPP to keep the PNC out of power while the Africans did the same for the APNU - to try to remove the PPP from power.

AFC got the support of the Indians who were disgusted with the way PPP was operating and were willing to take a chance to vote for them mindful of the fact that the APNU could gain power. Many of the disgusted stayed home in silent protest but would never vote for another party because of their loyalty to cheddi. There were also Africans who wanted to part ways with the old ways of the PNC and took the chance of voting for the AFC also mindful that the PPP could still remain in power.

It all came down to fear and insecurity. We must applaud the 35,000 + persons who rejected fear, faced their insecurities and voted to make a difference. They have created history and have forever changed the landscape of politics in Guyana.
AMEN
FM
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Originally posted by baseman:
I am now, once again, convinced Afros will NEVER vote for an Indian even if you share out milk and honey. .


Baseman when have Indos voted for a party headed by an Afro?

Dont babble about Indo Psyche because Africans have simuilar reason to distrust Indians. Despite what your little racist black hating mind can concoct about those who you call subhumans..several years ago in this forum...and most likely still do when you think we arent around.
FM
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Originally posted by baseman:
No, spit it out, you want everything, you want pre-1992, you want the milk, the honey, the cow and the bee hive.




OK if you have no wish to hear about the Africans iossue then I have no need to hear you whine about Indians.

PARTITION THE COUNTRTY. Lets end the hypocrisy..or hand it over to our neighbors.

This sint working.
FM
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Originally posted by Henry:
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Originally posted by baseman:
Racisim is now part of Guyanese Psuedo-DNA.
I don't buy it..


Look at our voting and mutual hatreds that Indos and Afros clearly ahve for each other.

Either partition the country or let Venzuela. Suriname and Brazil fiight for its remnants. This 55 year old experiment of under ground tribal warfare isnt working.
FM
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Originally posted by caribj:
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Originally posted by Henry:
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Originally posted by baseman:
Racisim is now part of Guyanese Psuedo-DNA.
I don't buy it..


Look at our voting and mutual hatreds that Indos and Afros clearly ahve for each other.

Either partition the country or let Venzuela. Suriname and Brazil fiight for its remnants. This 55 year old experiment of under ground tribal warfare isnt working.
caribj i have grown weary of "this tribal warfare" i believe we have a good chance at righting some of the wrongs committed on this nation if the constitution is changed and parliament works it a truly democratic manner. Lets hope our leaders have the balls to put the country ahead of their selfish ambitions.
FM
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Originally posted by The Blade Runner:
]caribj i have grown weary of "this tribal warfare"


Given the refusal of the major elements to listen to each other why bother. 55 years of this and the country has not moved forward...indeed we are the laughing stock of the tiny islands, swarming as they are with Guyanese fleeing the swamp which is Guyana.

Let Guyana become a state of Brazil. They will make better use of it.
FM
I hear a Boat load of Allpes, Grapes, Currants, Cherries, Raisins, Prunes, Apple Cider, Dates and other goodies arrived for Kristmas. Guyana NEVER had it so GOOD. partybanana partybanana
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Originally posted by SuperMike:
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Originally posted by ksazma:
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Originally posted by HM_Redux:
The fact is the APNU ran a damn good campaign ....


What did they promise their constituents?


another opportunity to stock up their homes for crissmuss from the stores on Reagent Street and around the city.
Nehru
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nehru:
I hear a Boat load of Allpes, Grapes, Currants, Cherries, Raisins, Prunes, Apple Cider, Dates and other goodies arrived for Kristmas. Guyana NEVER had it so GOOD. partybanana partybanana[QUOTE]


How much of those xmas goodies will reach the poor ? what would be the profit margin of the previlidged few who were granted permits to import ?

Yes Guyana has it real good !
FM
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Originally posted by baseman:
Look what the AFC got for touting the Afro rights agenda as a flag-ship message. I am now, once again, convinced Afros will NEVER vote for an Indian even if you share out milk and honey. They will still want the cow and bee hive to go with it.


Dem is racists to the core. Country, flag and national anthem doan mean a squat to dem.
S
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Originally posted by The Blade Runner:
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Originally posted by caribj:
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Originally posted by Henry:
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Originally posted by baseman:
Racisim is now part of Guyanese Psuedo-DNA.
I don't buy it..


Look at our voting and mutual hatreds that Indos and Afros clearly ahve for each other.

Either partition the country or let Venzuela. Suriname and Brazil fiight for its remnants. This 55 year old experiment of under ground tribal warfare isnt working.
caribj i have grown weary of "this tribal warfare" i believe we have a good chance at righting some of the wrongs committed on this nation if the constitution is changed and parliament works it a truly democratic manner. Lets hope our leaders have the balls to put the country ahead of their selfish ambitions.


The leaders in the black community wants Power Sharing. They are using the misguided blacks to promote their agenda. The majority of blacks had made their choice in voting and have moved on. They have given 26 men and women prestige and power. What these chosen do with the gift handed to them by their ethnic compadres is up to them.

The PPP should attempt an experiment and have talks with Oppostion and include them in all facets of governace-split all office position on PR system.

Something must be done - govering this way is non productive.
S
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Originally posted by seignet:
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Originally posted by baseman:
Look what the AFC got for touting the Afro rights agenda as a flag-ship message. I am now, once again, convinced Afros will NEVER vote for an Indian even if you share out milk and honey. They will still want the cow and bee hive to go with it.


Dem is racists to the core. Country, flag and national anthem doan mean a squat to dem.

I really think it's more to do with elections, political racism. I think though Indians and Afros get along fine on a day to day basis. Indians vs Indians have as much strife. If you go to Guyana, Afros living large as civil servants, police, etc. I think Afros are very comfortable, they seem much better off than Indians in many respects and much better off than under the PNC. The PPP has actually neglected Indians over the past 5 years.
FM
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Originally posted by seignet:
The leaders in the black community wants Power Sharing.ctive.


Name me a country where a major ethnic group is locked out of decision making and I will name you a nation which has serios problems. You cannot have 40% of the population feeling excluded, jump on a high horse at the notion that they want inclusion, and thene sxpect them to be happy.

You werent happy when Burnham, excluded you all, so why expect others to be any different when similarly excluded?
FM
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Originally posted by baseman:

I think Afros are very comfortable, they seem much better off than Indians in many respects and much better off than under the PNC. The PPP has actually neglected Indians over the past 5 years.


This is why we have our warfare. There you go....you dont know and yet you opine. No baseman if teachers at the major high schools who have university degrees ae begging overseas alumni to supplement their salaries they arent happy (US$350)/M0. And the very heavy turn out of this group should let you know this.

Why, if they feel so happy, didnt they vote PPP when the PPP was out their literally buying their votes, as they werent sure what Indians were up to? Its not that Granger inspired them because you know fullw ell that as recently as August most of us had given up APNU as a lost case.

Yes the PPP has neglected grass roots Indians as they have neglected every one else. Prove to me that Indos are begging for civil service jobs and are being frustrated by not being allowed in. Civil servants struggle as do others in Guyana.
FM

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