This fk is fk. Fk and his buddy Glen are now BFF with that anti-koolie h greens.

I bet this was written by SHIT FACE!!!!

Nehru posted:

I bet this was written by SHIT FACE!!!!

Freddie?

Same thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Granja want to moderize the East Indian.  His sort of modernization is to banish them to the LOGIE.

When 56% of the CEO in the Government services under the PPP were East Indians, under the Granja PNC gov'ment, less than 10% are allowed to serves at this level.

Shame !

Mind you, 39% of the CEO under the PPP were afro-Guyanese, today under Granja it is 88%.

Talk about equality.

But Moses shut he RASS and sucking up all this SYTE on a daily basis, just because he want to be driven around in a siren motorcade.  Small minded imbecile.

Brian Teekah posted:

Mind you, 39% of the CEO under the PPP were afro-Guyanese, today under Granja it is 88%.

 

Talk about equality.

 

But Moses shut he RASS and sucking up all this SYTE on a daily basis, just because he want to be driven around in a siren motorcade.  Small minded imbecile.

Dat Namakaram Crabdaag is NOT FIT to be in HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brian Teekah posted:

Granja want to moderize the East Indian.  His sort of modernization is to banish them to the LOGIE.

 

When 56% of the CEO in the Government services under the PPP were East Indians, under the Granja PNC gov'ment, less than 10% are allowed to serves at this level.

 

Shame !

Thanks Brian. Long time nah post. PNC put most niggroes in government services so that they can keep the loot and share it with party members. I bet there are lots of phantom payrolls we haven't seen yet. A trade mark organization the PNC has set up to do fund raising.

Would it be expecting too much to ask that you PPP groupies identify specific parts of the article that you disagree with?

antabanta posted:

Would it be expecting too much to ask that you PPP groupies identify specific parts of the article that you disagree with?

Don't categorize me in any group...I don't have affiliation with any Guyanese group. I am a simple dougla boy living in NY trying to learn about the place of birth of my parents. So, here are a couple of them.

1) This guy is so pretentious that anything he says is suspect. He has a long tradition of bashing Indians in Guyana and other places. He is what some might call “an anti-Indian” coolie.

2) The evidence he presents here are anecdotal, not based on facts and research data. For instance, he spoke to Khenraj Narine, Indians and Africans, so he is basing his opinion on experience not facts. Neither is he offering the reasons for these observations. In other words, are some Indians justified in what they believe because they have an institutional and cultural memory of the dark days of the 28 years of Black rule? In addition, I do not believe for a minute that Blacks are less racial (maybe with the exception of the more sophisticated Georgetown crowd) than Indians. This reminds me of David Hinds claim of African marginalization, but every time he repeats this mantra, he failed to produce the evidence.

3) How do the power structure in society reinforce these stereotypical attitudes FK is talking about? When an Indian goes to GT and sees that the “power” lies in the Blacks of those who are the bureaucrats, who works in the government offices and who wears a military or police uniform, don’t you think that this is going to reinforce racial stereotypes, even if both major parties want to avoid discussing this issue?

4) What FD does not understand is that the powerful and mighty in Guyana are not Indians. For one, they do not have the numbers to win elections, second- the current regime is setting in place a mechanism for long term political, military and social control of Guyanese society. FK once wrote that Indians control 95% of the economy. This is ridiculous. Even if its true, keep in mind the current regime control military and political power, which can minimize the power of any “rich” Indian. People seem to forget that Burnham (Clive Thomas told us this) controlled 80% of the economy.

5) He mentions the ancestral land issue. Eric Phillips, Granger and other are intent on a program to take land away from the Amerindians to give to Blackes. Check the news on this current debate. Who is to say that Indians, Portuguese, and others are not going to be next? Guyana has too much land for this nonsense to be taking place now.

6) Finally, my advise to you is to look at the big picture. When you ask people for what they find objectionable in FK article, you should also, on the other hand, look for information he uses to substantiate his claims. He is just one person who has enormous power in the media. As I said, he does not have anything positive to say about himself as an Indian and he is always attacking Indians when they stand up for their beliefs.

VishMahabir posted:

antabanta posted:

Would it be expecting too much to ask that you PPP groupies identify specific parts of the article that you disagree with?

Don't categorize me in any group...I don't have affiliation with any Guyanese group. I am a simple dougla boy living in NY trying to learn about the place of birth of my parents. So, here are a couple of them.

1) This guy is so pretentious that anything he says is suspect. He has a long tradition of bashing Indians in Guyana and other places. He is what some might call “an anti-Indian” coolie.

2) The evidence he presents here are anecdotal, not based on facts and research data. For instance, he spoke to Khenraj Narine, Indians and Africans, so he is basing his opinion on experience not facts. Neither is he offering the reasons for these observations. In other words, are some Indians justified in what they believe because they have an institutional and cultural memory of the dark days of the 28 years of Black rule? In addition, I do not believe for a minute that Blacks are less racial (maybe with the exception of the more sophisticated Georgetown crowd) than Indians. This reminds me of David Hinds claim of African marginalization, but every time he repeats this mantra, he failed to produce the evidence.

3) How do the power structure in society reinforce these stereotypical attitudes FK is talking about? When an Indian goes to GT and sees that the “power” lies in the Blacks of those who are the bureaucrats, who works in the government offices and who wears a military or police uniform, don’t you think that this is going to reinforce racial stereotypes, even if both major parties want to avoid discussing this issue?

4) What FD does not understand is that the powerful and mighty in Guyana are not Indians. For one, they do not have the numbers to win elections, second- the current regime is setting in place a mechanism for long term political, military and social control of Guyanese society. FK once wrote that Indians control 95% of the economy. This is ridiculous. Even if its true, keep in mind the current regime control military and political power, which can minimize the power of any “rich” Indian. People seem to forget that Burnham (Clive Thomas told us this) controlled 80% of the economy.

5) He mentions the ancestral land issue. Eric Phillips, Granger and other are intent on a program to take land away from the Amerindians to give to Blackes. Check the news on this current debate. Who is to say that Indians, Portuguese, and others are not going to be next? Guyana has too much land for this nonsense to be taking place now.

6) Finally, my advise to you is to look at the big picture. When you ask people for what they find objectionable in FK article, you should also, on the other hand, look for information he uses to substantiate his claims. He is just one person who has enormous power in the media. As I said, he does not have anything positive to say about himself as an Indian and he is always attacking Indians when they stand up for their beliefs.

 

Anyone who supports the PPP without question and bashes everyone else without objectivity is a PPP groupie, as you can clearly see from the vague but vehement responses. You decide if you're included or not, not I.

1. I'm not a fan of Freddie Kissoon and find many of his articles ridiculous but I think this one has some merit. Out of basic common sense I cannot subscribe to the fad to label any IndoGuyanese who criticizes his own race as an anti-Indian coolie.
2. I think experience is quite substantial to base opinion on racism. The justification for one group's racism against another is circular and pointless at this time. Just as there is no question that Burnham was tyrannical, there is no question that Indians are in general racist. Don't you read the posts on this forum? You would have to be wearing blinds to not recognize that.
3. Who is to blame if IndoGuyanese in general are reluctant to enter government and military service? I am among the few Indians who were in the military and from my experience there was nothing and no one in my way.
4. The powerful and mighty in Guyana are indeed Indians and they do have the numbers to win elections. You must not be familiar with Guyana to claim that Indians do not control the economy. Rich Indians, or rich anybody, can only be controlled individually, not as a whole, unless we're looking at such extremes as gas chambers.
5. Is this your understanding of the ancestral land issue? If so, please do some more research.
6. Thank you for your advise. My advise is that you practice what you preach. From the bashing of his articles on this forum alone, I doubt he has "enormous" power in the media. What Indian belief is he attacking?

antabanta posted:

VishMahabir posted:

antabanta posted:

Would it be expecting too much to ask that you PPP groupies identify specific parts of the article that you disagree with?

Don't categorize me in any group...I don't have affiliation with any Guyanese group. I am a simple dougla boy living in NY trying to learn about the place of birth of my parents. So, here are a couple of them.

1) This guy is so pretentious that anything he says is suspect. He has a long tradition of bashing Indians in Guyana and other places. He is what some might call “an anti-Indian” coolie.

2) The evidence he presents here are anecdotal, not based on facts and research data. For instance, he spoke to Khenraj Narine, Indians and Africans, so he is basing his opinion on experience not facts. Neither is he offering the reasons for these observations. In other words, are some Indians justified in what they believe because they have an institutional and cultural memory of the dark days of the 28 years of Black rule? In addition, I do not believe for a minute that Blacks are less racial (maybe with the exception of the more sophisticated Georgetown crowd) than Indians. This reminds me of David Hinds claim of African marginalization, but every time he repeats this mantra, he failed to produce the evidence.

3) How do the power structure in society reinforce these stereotypical attitudes FK is talking about? When an Indian goes to GT and sees that the “power” lies in the Blacks of those who are the bureaucrats, who works in the government offices and who wears a military or police uniform, don’t you think that this is going to reinforce racial stereotypes, even if both major parties want to avoid discussing this issue?

4) What FD does not understand is that the powerful and mighty in Guyana are not Indians. For one, they do not have the numbers to win elections, second- the current regime is setting in place a mechanism for long term political, military and social control of Guyanese society. FK once wrote that Indians control 95% of the economy. This is ridiculous. Even if its true, keep in mind the current regime control military and political power, which can minimize the power of any “rich” Indian. People seem to forget that Burnham (Clive Thomas told us this) controlled 80% of the economy.

5) He mentions the ancestral land issue. Eric Phillips, Granger and other are intent on a program to take land away from the Amerindians to give to Blackes. Check the news on this current debate. Who is to say that Indians, Portuguese, and others are not going to be next? Guyana has too much land for this nonsense to be taking place now.

6) Finally, my advise to you is to look at the big picture. When you ask people for what they find objectionable in FK article, you should also, on the other hand, look for information he uses to substantiate his claims. He is just one person who has enormous power in the media. As I said, he does not have anything positive to say about himself as an Indian and he is always attacking Indians when they stand up for their beliefs.

 

Anyone who supports the PPP without question and bashes everyone else without objectivity is a PPP groupie, as you can clearly see from the vague but vehement responses. You decide if you're included or not, not I.

1. I'm not a fan of Freddie Kissoon and find many of his articles ridiculous but I think this one has some merit. Out of basic common sense I cannot subscribe to the fad to label any IndoGuyanese who criticizes his own race as an anti-Indian coolie.
2. I think experience is quite substantial to base opinion on racism. The justification for one group's racism against another is circular and pointless at this time. Just as there is no question that Burnham was tyrannical, there is no question that Indians are in general racist. Don't you read the posts on this forum? You would have to be wearing blinds to not recognize that.
3. Who is to blame if IndoGuyanese in general are reluctant to enter government and military service? I am among the few Indians who were in the military and from my experience there was nothing and no one in my way.
4. The powerful and mighty in Guyana are indeed Indians and they do have the numbers to win elections. You must not be familiar with Guyana to claim that Indians do not control the economy. Rich Indians, or rich anybody, can only be controlled individually, not as a whole, unless we're looking at such extremes as gas chambers.
5. Is this your understanding of the ancestral land issue? If so, please do some more research.
6. Thank you for your advise. My advise is that you practice what you preach. From the bashing of his articles on this forum alone, I doubt he has "enormous" power in the media. What Indian belief is he attacking?

1. I'm not a fan of Freddie Kissoon and find many of his articles ridiculous but I think this one has some merit. Out of basic common sense I cannot subscribe to the fad to label any IndoGuyanese who criticizes his own race as an anti-Indian coolie.

If you Google his articles you would easily see his references to him being ashamed of being an Indian. He also has a penchant for attacking other Indian leaders, for speaking out on their behalf, but not Amerindians and Blacks. 

2. I think experience is quite substantial to base opinion on racism. The justification for one group's racism against another is circular and pointless at this time. Just as there is no question that Burnham was tyrannical, there is no question that Indians are in general racist. Don't you read the posts on this forum? You would have to be wearing blinds to not recognize that.

If you rely on the posts on this forum  as evidence and extrapolate from their uttering to indict an entire group of people, then that puts you in the same category as Kissoon.

3. Who is to blame if IndoGuyanese in general are reluctant to enter government and military service? I am among the few Indians who were in the military and from my experience there was nothing and no one in my way.

This is an idiotic statement that has been given credence by African leader and Indian leaders who refuse to search for a national policy to do so. No government in Guyana, Burnham , Jagan or Jagdeo has made an attempt to do so. If they could force all Guyanese to join national service, then they can find a way to balance the army and police force. Your experience alone does not negate this fact, even if you may not have seen any evidence of anti Indian bias.

4. The powerful and mighty in Guyana are indeed Indians and they do have the numbers to win elections. You must not be familiar with Guyana to claim that Indians do not control the economy. Rich Indians, or rich anybody, can only be controlled individually, not as a whole, unless we're looking at such extremes as gas chambers.

Where is the evidence that Indians control the economy? Where is the evidence as Kissoon says that they control 95% of the economy? And, where is the 50% plus population of Indians that allows them to win an election as in the past? Have you looked at the population census lately?  What seems to escape your understanding is that it is the people who control the state institutions , military, police and bureaucracy who are the ones with real power.  I wonder if you will say the same the multinational companies like the oil companies shake their finger and influence national policy?   

5. Is this your understanding of the ancestral land issue? If so, please do some more research.

I think I know enough about this issue to tell you that it is going to further divide the people in Guyana. You may want to go back and read the article and rethink what you are reading instead of trying to score points against the "PPP groupies".

Ask the yugis who controls the economy they will tell you it is Indians..doan forget dem guys say, blacks cyant even run a cakeshop.

cain posted:

Ask the yugis who controls the economy they will tell you it is Indians..doan forget dem guys say, blacks cyant even run a cakeshop.

Not saying that they don't control a lot but for people to say 95%, they forget that most Blacks and Indians are really poor and are excluded from the good life.  

Django posted:

May 05, 2017 Source

.. I know of countless cases of Guyanese Indians in New York who did not want Barack Obama to be elected. This was unthinkable among Indians in the US from Mauritius, Fiji, Trinidad etc.
What is wrong with an Indian Guyanese that can live in a post-modern .

I was told by an Indo Trinidadian that some Indo Guyanese wanted to set fire to their hair when Obama one again in 2012.  Based on how the Indo KKK behave on GNI I am inclined to believe.

Brian Teekah posted:

Mind you, 39% of the CEO under the PPP were afro-Guyanese, .

Really?  So when Luncheon was asked to name them how come he couldn't?

VishMahabir posted:

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.. This reminds me of David Hinds claim of African marginalization, but every time he repeats this mantra, he failed to produce the evidence.

3.

 

Nigel Hughes presented evidence when he represented FK in Jagdeo's law suit against them. Lists of Africans dismissed by the PPP have also been furnished. And then we need only look at the difference between how the PPP treated two loss making state corporations.  Guymine sold with 80% of the bauxite workers then losing their jobs.  Guysuco subsidized to the tune of US half a billion so that sugar workers wouldn't lose their jobs.

caribny posted:

Brian Teekah posted:

Mind you, 39% of the CEO under the PPP were afro-Guyanese, .

Really?  So when Luncheon was asked to name them how come he couldn't?

Lying BT just got reamed by carib.

VishMahabir posted:

.. If they could force all Guyanese to join national service, then they can find a way to balance the army and police force..

Clearly you never went on a GNS center.  The ethnic composition was like that of Linden, Buxton or Hopetown.  The vast majority of Indians were UG students and they weren't singled out as black UG students and other scholarship recipients had to do it. Even Annabelle Burnham had to go pick cotton at Kimbia.

Indians do NOT want to be in the police or the army. Cheddi begged them to join and rolled himself on the ground in disappointment when the first batch of police recruits turned out to be a 90% black group. Where are the Indians he wailed!

I think those Guyanese who are not East Indians would prefer us to abandon our heiritage and culture. That is the bottom line. They are upset that we are too much East Indian rather than Guyanese. And far as I can remember, there is this animosity.

There was this Black Shop Owner in New Amsterdam. His business was beside a cinema. As usual, the 2.00 pm show was Indian movies and droves of Indians lined up to purchase tickets. That man use to come out from behind the counter and verbally abused coolie ppl. All because they filed infront of his store.

Generally, the attitudes of a great many non-Indians has not been a cordial one towards East Indians for decades. Indians juss carry on wid dem lives, minding dem own business. They doan bother ppl.

The writer prefer us to modernize. He really wants us to abandon values thousands of years that we inherently possess.

seignet posted:

.. That man use to come out from behind the counter and verbally abused coolie ppl. All because they filed infront of his store.

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And why shouldn't he if they blocked the entrance of their store and deprived him of a living?  That is to be expected.

Now address your screams of a few years ago when you tried to curse blacks into endless poverty and hardship and wailed that blacks are lazy and violent.

VishMahabir posted:

cain posted:

Ask the yugis who controls the economy they will tell you it is Indians..doan forget dem guys say, blacks cyant even run a cakeshop.

Not saying that they don't control a lot but for people to say 95%, they forget that most Blacks and Indians are really poor and are excluded from the good life.  

What is more accurate to say is that 2% of Indians control the vast bulk of Guyana's wealth, many having obtained it through PPP corruption.

It is true that most Indians aren't much better off than are most blacks yet the latter are considered lazy and useless by most Indians. When 80% of the bauxite workers lost their jobs we heard "black man lazy". 

Now that many  sugar workers are about to lose their jobs we aren't hearing any of this. Note that sugar lands can be used to grow other crops where as economic alternatives in Linden and other bauxite regions are far more limited and more capital intensive (timber and gold).

caribny posted:

VishMahabir posted:

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.. This reminds me of David Hinds claim of African marginalization, but every time he repeats this mantra, he failed to produce the evidence.

3.

 

Nigel Hughes presented evidence when he represented FK in Jagdeo's law suit against them. Lists of Africans dismissed by the PPP have also been furnished. And then we need only look at the difference between how the PPP treated two loss making state corporations.  Guymine sold with 80% of the bauxite workers then losing their jobs.  Guysuco subsidized to the tune of US half a billion so that sugar workers wouldn't lose their jobs.

Guymine had to be sold to a new owner with access to the Alu market.  It was their best hope.  Sugar is subsidized because the industry created much more value in being a major Forex earner.  You cannot just take it at face value.  With the Forex, it's overall contribution may well be 10 fold it's nominal earnings!

caribny posted:

VishMahabir posted:

cain posted:

Ask the yugis who controls the economy they will tell you it is Indians..doan forget dem guys say, blacks cyant even run a cakeshop.

Not saying that they don't control a lot but for people to say 95%, they forget that most Blacks and Indians are really poor and are excluded from the good life.  

What is more accurate to say is that 2% of Indians control the vast bulk of Guyana's wealth, many having obtained it through PPP corruption.

It is true that most Indians aren't much better off than are most blacks yet are considered as lazy and useless by most Indians. When 80% of the bauxite workers lost their jobs we heard "black man lazy". 

Now that many  sugar workers are about to lose their jobs we aren't hearing any of this. Note that sugar lands can be used to grow other crops where as economic alternatives in Linden and other bauxite regions are far more limited and more capital intensive (timber and gold).

Look at this PNC liar. Indos are wealthy and have done 200,000 times better than the PPP than they did under a racist PNC.

Please try to sell your garbage elsewhere.

cain posted:

Ask the yugis who controls the economy they will tell you it is Indians..doan forget dem guys say, blacks cyant even run a cakeshop.

These Indo KKK people are a bunch of jokers.

caribny posted:

VishMahabir posted:

cain posted:

Ask the yugis who controls the economy they will tell you it is Indians..doan forget dem guys say, blacks cyant even run a cakeshop.

Not saying that they don't control a lot but for people to say 95%, they forget that most Blacks and Indians are really poor and are excluded from the good life.  

What is more accurate to say is that 2% of Indians control the vast bulk of Guyana's wealth, many having obtained it through PPP corruption.

Even under the first PNC regime, Indians (and Putagee and Chinee) controlled the bulk of the economy.  Burnham tried to change it thru nationalization, KSI, etc, but we know how that went!

VishMahabir posted:

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 And, where is the 50% plus population of Indians that allows them to win an election as in the past?

 

If you bothered to look at an age adjusted ethnic composition of Guyana you would know that the voting age population is quite different from the overall. For instance do you know that the under 5 mixed population now outnumbers the African and is just behind the Indian?

The voting age Indian population was around 45% and when you add the Amerindians you get your 50%.  The African voting age population was around 32%.  But for the fact that the mixed population resents the PPP almost as much as does the black population, because they see them as corrupt racists, the PPP would run unchallenged.

caribny posted:

seignet posted:

.. That man use to come out from behind the counter and verbally abused coolie ppl. All because they filed infront of his store.

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And why shouldn't he if they blocked the entrance of their store and deprived him of a living?  That is to be expected.

Now address your screams of a few years ago when you tried to curse blacks into endless poverty and hardship and wailed that blacks are lazy and violent.

Oh oh..Yugi would be real pissed to hear a black guy owned a store.

ba$eman posted:

 

Even under the first PNC regime, Indians (and Putagee and Chinee) controlled the bulk of the economy.  Burnham tried to change it thru nationalization, KSI, etc, but we know how that went!

Let me correct you. In the 60s Guyana's economy was dominated by foreign companies like Bookers, Demba and Sanbach Parker (spelling) with the Portuguese dominating the rest.  The Indians who had clout were those like the Kirpalanis who definitely didn't arrive in Guyana to cut cane, and I suspect didn't think too highly of those Indians who did.

Indians came into their own when Burnham nationalized the economy and destroyed the private sector and Indian speculators developed to exploit opportunities when his incompetent corporations (including KSI) left the shelves empty.  They began to boom when Hoyte liberalized the economy and restored the private sector.

In 1962 the image that people in G/T had of the Indian was the skinny 40 year old man, who looked as if he was 70, banging on the gate begging for grass so that he could feed his cows.  The Luckhoos and others were considered the exception and even these were derisive towards the mainly peasant oriented rural Hindu.

Baseman do you know that BG didn't mean British Guiana? It meant Booker's Guiana.  I don't think that Bookers was an Indian owned company.

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

 

Even under the first PNC regime, Indians (and Putagee and Chinee) controlled the bulk of the economy.  Burnham tried to change it thru nationalization, KSI, etc, but we know how that went!

Let me correct you. In the 60s Guyana's economy was dominated by foreign companies like Bookers, Demba and Sanbach Parker (spelling) with the Portuguese dominating the rest.  The Indians who had clout were those like the Kirpalanis who definitely didn't arrive in Guyana to cut cane, and I suspect didn't think to highly of those Indians who did.

Indians came into Burnham nationalized the economy and destroyed the private sector and Indian speculators developed to exploit opportunities when his incompetent corporations (including KSI) left the shelves empty.

In 1962 the image that people in G/T had of the Indian was the skinny 40 year old man, who looked as if he was 70, banging on the gate begging for grass so that he could feed his cows.  The Luckhoos and others were considered the exception and even these were derisive towards the mainly peasant oriented rural Hindu.

Yes, I was not including the expats.  This was how Burnham tried to leap-frog the wealth gap as Indians, Putagee and Chinee controlled almost everything else.

True, there were some hungry-belly Indians running around in the 60's, but Indians were gaining rapidly, something which irked the Putagees, that's why they joined up with the Afros to destroy Indians businesses in the 60's!

ba$eman posted:

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

 

Even under the first PNC regime, Indians (and Putagee and Chinee) controlled the bulk of the economy.  Burnham tried to change it thru nationalization, KSI, etc, but we know how that went!

Let me correct you. In the 60s Guyana's economy was dominated by foreign companies like Bookers, Demba and Sanbach Parker (spelling) with the Portuguese dominating the rest.  The Indians who had clout were those like the Kirpalanis who definitely didn't arrive in Guyana to cut cane, and I suspect didn't think to highly of those Indians who did.

Indians came into Burnham nationalized the economy and destroyed the private sector and Indian speculators developed to exploit opportunities when his incompetent corporations (including KSI) left the shelves empty.

In 1962 the image that people in G/T had of the Indian was the skinny 40 year old man, who looked as if he was 70, banging on the gate begging for grass so that he could feed his cows.  The Luckhoos and others were considered the exception and even these were derisive towards the mainly peasant oriented rural Hindu.

Yes, I was not including the expats.  This was how Burnham tried to leap-frog the wealth gap as Indians, Putagee and Chinee controlled almost everything else.

True, there were some hungry-belly Indians running around in the 60's, but Indians were gaining rapidly, something which irked the Putagees, that's why they joined up with the Afros to destroy Indians businesses in the 60's!

Lie! The PNC and UF merged to kick out what was termed a Communist Party the PPP.

ba$eman posted:

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Yes, I was not including the expats.  !

I can hear some of those ageing Portuguese in Canada laughing at you.

Exclude the expats and it was the Portuguese who were the dominant group.  Even the Chinese weren't anywhere close.

G/T society was Portuguese and red people.  They had the money and the social prestige.  Indians were considered marginally less socially undesirable than the Amerindians were.

cain posted:

ba$eman posted:

Yes, I was not including the expats.  This was how Burnham tried to leap-frog the wealth gap as Indians, Putagee and Chinee controlled almost everything else.

True, there were some hungry-belly Indians running around in the 60's, but Indians were gaining rapidly, something which irked the Putagees, that's why they joined up with the Afros to destroy Indians businesses in the 60's!

Lie! The PNC and UF merged to kick out what was termed a Communist Party the PPP.

I suspect I would have heard from yuh rant!  Well, that was the front, it was really bigger.  Why would you destroy Indian businesses to fight against Communism?  Business and Communism does not go hand-in-hand!

Baseman if Indians were so highly regarded they would have joined with the Portuguese leaving the PPP to blacks and those Indians who were still cane cutters.

Even the RURAL Indian wealthy were held in such low regard by the Portuguese and the red people that they sided with the blacks who they also despised.

The Chinese certainly joined with the Portuguese as did many red people.

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

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Yes, I was not including the expats.  !

I can hear some of those ageing Portuguese in Canada laughing at you.

Exclude the expats and it was the Portuguese who were the dominant group.  Even the Chinese weren't anywhere close.

G/T society was Portuguese and red people.  They had the money and the social prestige.

Listen banna, all those businesses looted and burned in the 60's were Indian owned!  Half of GT commercial center was gutted, and your folks did not target Putagee and Red people.  The Indian business class was rising fast, a pill the dominant Putagee class found hard to accept!

So facts and history don't reconcile with your version!  You are a man of alternate facts and revisionist history!

ba$eman posted:

 

Listen banna, all those businesses looted and burned in the 60's were Indian owned! 

Little Regent St dry goods stores weren't well regarded in G/T and weren't that important. JP Santos, Betancourt, DIH and other entities were.

I know that this assaults your notion of Indian superiority but this is a fact.

If Indians were economically dominant they would have joined with the Portuguese to block Burnham/Jagan with their communism.  Indians didn't join with the capitalist class who were led by Peter D'Aguiar.

ba$eman posted:

cain posted:

ba$eman posted:

Yes, I was not including the expats.  This was how Burnham tried to leap-frog the wealth gap as Indians, Putagee and Chinee controlled almost everything else.

True, there were some hungry-belly Indians running around in the 60's, but Indians were gaining rapidly, something which irked the Putagees, that's why they joined up with the Afros to destroy Indians businesses in the 60's!

Lie! The PNC and UF merged to kick out what was termed a Communist Party the PPP.

I suspect I would have heard from yuh rant!  Well, that was the front, it was really bigger.  Why would you destroy Indian businesses to fight against Communism?  Business and Communism does not go hand-in-hand!

That is the history of Guyana...nothing you or anyone else can change that. Yes there was rioting...it was mostly Indian on Black..Black on Indian. As we are all well aware the PPP is mostly an East Indian party..which so happened to be seem as a communist party. It is my understanding thst the majority wanted the Communist Party and their followers turfed. Yes we are also well aware there was hostility between Blacks and East Indians and because of this violemce broke out because of what I have said on many occasions here...some Guyanese people were/still are a backward lot.

caribny posted:

Baseman if Indians were so highly regarded they would have joined with the Portuguese leaving the PPP to blacks and those Indians who were still cane cutters.

Even the RURAL Indian wealthy were held in such low regard by the Portuguese and the red people that they sided with the blacks who they also despised.

The Chinese certainly joined with the Portuguese as did many red people.

Indians held each other in high regards.  Putagee and Reds were a bunch of racists who view themselves as "White", so they had no care for Indians, rich or poor.  And yes, they did hold Indians with great disdain, especially the non-city Indians!