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Mercury is also a precious metal just like gold, silver, platinum and palladium. They are using one precious metal to get another precious metal of a higher value.
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Thanks for posting @mud_flap . What are your thoughts on this?
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@Ali Khan Azad posted:Mercury is also a precious metal just like gold, silver, platinum and palladium. They are using one precious metal to get another precious metal of a higher value.
People are also "precious". And they are being destroyed for barely a living in order to make corporations, nations, black marketers rich.
There are other methods that are now emerging. In the Philippines they are using Borax with the flux method. I don't know if this method will work in Guyana. Guyana like Alberta and Montana has flour gold now near the surface. The larger pieces of gold near the surface are gone. Dug up by miners in the past. Only deeper gold mining can now get larger loads of gold and only large companies with capital can go deep. I calculated a small size gold mining operation in Guyana not using mercury will take at least one million us dollars to get started. Plus money to sustain the operation until you find gold. You better find gold in the first six months or else you going belly up and stormborn will have to piggy back you back to Georgetown.
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Thank you for poasing Mud_Flap. BTW...I like de authentic Guyanese handle .
@Former Member posted:Thank you for poasing Mud_Flap. BTW...I like de authentic Guyanese handle .
I got a feeling you like it so much, you coming in next as Kapadulla Flap or better yet, Kapadulla Butterflap, taraaass.
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@cain posted:I got a feeling you like it so much, you coming in next as Kapadulla Flap or better yet, Kapadulla Butterflap, taraaass.
Is a long time since I had a butterflap. A gat to check out Sybils soon. Sybils gat de best cassava pone in town.
I haven't had butter flap in quite a while, I did try some cassava pone but it was lacking something, probably cassava.
Tang's Bakery and fung's Bakery in Guyana had the best Butterflaps.
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Tang's used to mek some bad "crab backs". Meh fadda used to bring dem home. Ah tink is dem "buck crab" Kapadulla duz talk about mek dat.
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@Former Member posted:Is a long time since I had a butterflap. A gat to check out Sybils soon. Sybils gat de best cassava pone in town.
Doan bodda. Last time I went to NYC, their food wasn't worth it. Chow mein, cookup rice, pastries all taste blah. Dahl puri gat a tiny circle peas in the middle.
Disappointing.
What I miss is real pholourie. I've been in Cda forty eight years now and once I had a good pholourie done up by a Trini girl my wife worked with. These people here seem to make plain ole flour balls then hand you some sour to make up for what's lacking, flavour and substance.
If you get carry away an eat nuff of dah dam ting, it would clog up yo chute.
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@cain posted:What I miss is real pholourie. I've been in Cda forty eight years now and once I had a good pholourie done up by a Trini girl my wife worked with. These people here seem to make plain ole flour balls then hand you some sour to make up for what's lacking, flavour and substance.
If you get carry away an eat nuff of dah dam ting, it would clog up yo chute.
the older Indo women made the real thing, no flour added. i remember my mom's 35 years ago: we devoured them with chutney as soon as she finished frying a batch. the folks now just add lots of flour because they're lazy to grind all that split peas
@Former Member posted:the older Indo women made the real thing, no flour added. i remember my mom's 35 years ago: we devoured them with chutney as soon as she finished frying a batch. the folks now just add lots of flour because they're lazy to grind all that split peas
Flour is added with yeast. It's the gluten that helps the pholourie to swell up and stay together and make it fluffy. Channa flour is readily available. Look for besan, split peas flour.
I make my own tamarind chutney hot sauce to go with it. I even grow my own cilantro, Scotch Bonnet and other thymes.
So much for mercury black market now, hehe. Mits, I watched Gordon Ramsay milk donkeys, how come we never heard of that in Guyana?
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Chinese "traders" part of de underground market. De place getting more corrupt. Dem bais is call it natural resource curse.
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@Former Member posted:Tang's used to mek some bad "crab backs". Meh fadda used to bring dem home. Ah tink is dem "buck crab" Kapadulla duz talk about mek dat.
Tangs and dem places was my father time. De best butterflap was by Star cinema in Albouystown. Dat was Kapa cinema. One dollar for pit
@cain posted:So much for mercury black market now, hehe. Mits, I watched Gordon Ramsay milk donkeys, how come we never heard of that in Guyana?
Too much cow milk available.
@Former Member posted:Tangs and dem places was my father time. De best butterflap was by Star cinema in Albouystown. Dat was Kapa cinema. One dollar for pit
During the race was in the 1960s I think both Star and Rio got bombed.
Look how mercury story turn to Butterflap story and dem two doan have a dam thing fo' do with each other, hehheh.
I made Butterflap today. Turned out real nice. Having it with guava jam and cow milk.
Wonder if Mud Flap is related to Butter Flap?
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@Mitwah posted:I made Butterflap today. Turned out real nice. Having it with guava jam and cow milk.
Wonder if Mud Flap is related to Butter Flap?
if you had made salara, buns and pone, i would have asked for some
You fellas making me hungry.
@cain posted:I haven't had butter flap in quite a while, I did try some cassava pone but it was lacking something, probably cassava.
How can the pone doan have cassava in in it. Unless yuh talking bout lil time pone. Qualify your comment.
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@Ali Khan Azad posted:You fellas making me hungry.
Bet you'd be absolutely starving if they mentioned "black pudding".
I got my woman here but she is black pudding and white pudding.
@Ali Khan Azad posted:I got my woman here but she is black pudding and white pudding.
You wearing two different gloves?
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Mud_Flap ah poasing this one for yuh since a cyan read it for free. Ah cheap and doan have a subscription. Very relevant to the mercury and smuggling.
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Gold Mining in Guyana: The free market experiment with mixed results
By Tarron Khemraj On In Business Review |Typically, economists do not have the luxury of conducting lab-based experiments as in the natural sciences. Therefore, we have to look at truly exogenous or external events such as a policy intervention or an external shock to study cause and effect. One such external event is the decision by Guyanese policy makers to reserve gold extraction for mainly Guyanese miners. Privatised gold extraction was facilitated by the Mining Act of 1989. By the late 1980s, the world thought that free unregulated private enterprise would lead to superior outcomes compared with the government-planned economic model of the former Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc.
The decision to allow small-, medium- and a few large-scale Guyanese miners to dominate this economic space was also part of the IMF-World Bank-supported Economic Recovery Programme (ERP) of the mid to late 1980s. Only a few foreign companies were allowed to enter into gold mining and extraction here. Omai gold mine was the largest ever foreign-owned operation in Guyana. Two others were allowed to enter, but they never reached the scale of Omai. However, at present, the industry is almost completely controlled by Guyanese gold miners. It is Adam Smithian in the sense that mining is undertaken by a large number of firms â small, medium and a handful of large ones. The gold industry is not a single large conglomerate like the Western bauxite company of old or GuySuCo.
Therefore, what are the social and economic outcomes of this experiment in domestic resource-extractive capitalism? Firstly, one academic research estimates that the network of Guyanese miners supports the livelihood of about 100,000 individuals. We do not have the kind of statistics to know whether the folks who travel to the interior are given a medical package for obvious health risks. Unlike the old GuySuCo, this industry does not maintain community and health centres for workers. Overall, we cannot say what percentage of the workers and their families can be classified as the working poor. I stand corrected, but I cannot think about a technical school which this Guyanese-dominated industry pays for compared with the excellent ones of the old GuySuCo and large-scale Western bauxite multinationals.
Secondly, at the macroeconomic level, the declared export numbers are quite spectacular. The gold industry exported US$766.7m, US$876.6m, and US$979.3m in 2018, 2019 and 2020, respectively. Before oil export, gold was the countryâs most important source of foreign exchange. This is foreign exchange accruing to the Guyanese private sector. Oil export eclipsed gold in 2020 by amounting to US$1.1 billion, but government gets a fraction of the oil export revenues as royalty and profit share. Gold exports produce income flows to the network of Guyanese gold miners. Of course, the oil sector also brings many indirect economic opportunities â beyond the direct flows to government â which one of these days I will measure.
On the down side, the export numbers do not fully reflect the amount that is undeclared or to put it in plain language: smuggled out. I have discussed the issue of gold smuggling in previous columns. Others have also explored this topic and there are newspaper reports in the archives noting the approximate size of undeclared gold exports. It is important to note that the government loses royalty revenues from smuggling. The only way to capture some taxation from these private actors is through the VAT, which has been whittled down slowly in the past few years. Property tax collection is a major problem in this country.
Perhaps the most damaging contribution of smuggling is the corruption of public officials, especially police officers, as well as the weakening of government capacity. It should be no surprise that crime cases cannot be solved and files mysteriously disappear. What is the economic cost of the corruption of institutions? It has to be enormous. Of course, this is not an easy thing to measure, but I hope someone at the University of Guyana will give it a shot. Any measurement would have to consider the economic costs of dangerous crimes, as well as the added security cost for which businesses and families must pay, and the added legal fees and transaction costs resulting from the weakened government capacity. As it relates to dangerous crimes, there is a long-established underworld âdisciplining mechanismâ for settlement of scores. I can think of three cases of kick down the door in my ancestral village during my time growing up.
A subset of the gold sector recently revealed its preference for non-transparency and lawlessness when it pulled out of the Guyana Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative (SN: Sep 5, 2021). Nineteen miners were reported to have refused to provide the necessary information to GYEITI. The minersâ association subsequently withdrew citing that the Guyanese transparency body was being too intrusive. One of the key benchmarks of EITI, regardless of the country in which it is registered, is it tracks accurate revenues of extractive companies such as gold mining enterprises.
Thirdly, one cannot dismiss the income and wealth inequality resulting from the complete liberalisation of the gold sector. There is a handful of stupendously wealthy miners and traders. Those with economic wealth are able to influence the political process through very generous campaign donations. However, the majority of miners are scraping by with slim margins â particularly those who have to work leased lands owned by wealthy land holders.
Fourthly, it is customary to invoke the nascent oil and gas sector when warning about such adverse outcomes like Dutch disease and resource curse. However, an insightful academic paper by Gavin Hilson and Tim Laing (2017) argued that the Guyanese-owned gold sector has produced a unique resource curse that has played out long before the first barrel of oil was pumped in late 2019.
Albeit somewhat anecdotal, these two authors used an interview methodology that involved systematic discussions with several managers in non-gold sector such as GuySuCo. They found that the sugar industry in particular lost several of its technicians and machinists, trained by GuySuCoâs once excellent technical school, to the gold sector. The industry also lost labourers to hinterland gold employment. This transfer of labour from one sector to the resource-extractive sector is a symptom of the resource curse.
Another symptom is the rise of the service sectors that are fuelled by gold expansion. This primarily involves the associated retail trade for the importation of consumer goods and âreconditionedâ automobiles. Helping along the consumption-driven expansion are bank loans. All of these conspire to further make the other export-earning sectors â particularly light manufactures â less competitive.
In conclusion, the complete liberalisation of gold mining has produced at best mixed results. The experience ought to serve as a kind of ânatural experimentâ for guiding future approaches for organising enterprise in the Guyanese economy. With vision and astuteness, I am convinced the same export revenues, perhaps more, could have been generated under a mixed economic model of a few large-scale enterprises jointly owned by government and private entrepreneurs. Shares could have been sold to many families to diffuse wealth ownership. These shares could have helped in furthering liquidity and deepening of the local stock market. As everyone knows, stock markets only work when there is transparency requiring new careers for deciphering and disseminating released financials.
With partial government ownership, the country could have been better positioned to police the serious mercury pollution associated with the âfree-marketâ sector. Workers could be offered better medical packages. Importantly, better industrial policies involving government-private partnership could easier make the transition to jewellery manufacturing.
Another free-market experiment that resulted at best in mixed outcomes is the complete privatisation of public transport. I will write a column on this one soon.
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