Dave posted:

The BIG question you running from is ..

where is the evidence that PPP was a violent party .

Dave,

Don't know how old are you,from the inception of struggles East Indians are not saints.

May i ask what actions are deemed violent..

Django posted:

VishMahabir posted:

This is a lot of crock from Freddie...yes there was violence on both sides.

But if the PPP were a violent party, they would not have let the Kabaka rule for 28 years...especially it being a Marxist Revolutionary party that wages revolution to remove a government and being admirers of Fidel Castro and Che Guevarra. PPP leaders are *****cats when it comes to comparing violence on both sides....incidentally Indians seem to be more violent when they deal with other Indians, not Africans...

Burnham was a violent man but he knew how to add finess to it so he did not come off as a traditional dictator...remember Rodney, Teekah and the Rabbi.

Vish,

Don't think there were no East Indian underground groups that had intentions to over throw Burnham.There were a few.Burnham was a smart fella he had undercover Secret Police Group one of my friends brother an East Indian was affiliated.

I was not easy to overthrow Burnham,one of the reasons he choose the Chief of Staff.

Django,

You have any info on these people of group? I have never read about any of them...thanks

The GDF was an essential element of violence and fear that kept a violent PNC in office.

cain posted:

How can you people say the PPP are not violent and yet relish the thought of one of theirs tossing faeces on another person?

The PPP apologists just cannot accept the fact the PPP were just as violent as the PNC. Freddie has spoken out against everyone at one time or the other but when he does speak against the PPP, the PPPites get annoyed because as we know, the truth hurts.

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney, not the throwing of miasma on our boy Frederick. ..ones that the top leaders are aware of.

Not sure if Freddie was seen as someone who the top leaders of the PPP targeted...but I could be wrong.

VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

cain posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Thanks for reminding us, Shaw was also murdered by the PNC Para Military gang. 

VishMahabir posted:

 

Django,

You have any info on these people of group? I have never read about any of them...thanks

They were not in the public,that's is secret bhai,one was from WCD.Most of the fellas are seniors,some probably passed away.

yuji22 posted:

cain posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Thanks for reminding us, Shaw was also murdered by the PNC Para Military gang. 

Yugi,

there is some ambiguity about Sawh demise,me thinks Granger mentioned about an inquiry.

On the ESsequibi coast, there was no violence as experienced in other parts of Guyana. However. I think that both groups were involved in violence. The PNC 's was organized as was evident by the report on the Wismar rapes and killing, the x13 plan. I think that the ppp's were reprisals at a local level.

it makes no sense to me that if the British or Burnham had evidence of violence organized by the PPP that they would not have used it against the PPP to destroy them. instead of the idle speculation touted by many with no evidence. Look how the PNC shut down the COI of the assassination of Rodney.

I think that the leadership of the POP has not been very effective in responding to the violence organized or orchestrated by the PNC. However, we need to understand that the security forces were predominantly PNC members who were at times unwilling to be vigorous in their prevention and investigation of things and during the pnc dictatorship, were instruments of oppression and violence against those who struggled for freedom. I recall the failure of the police in Wismar to respond, the regent street violence, the Agricola shooting, the Buxton freedom fighters, Felix and Williams conversation caught on phone.

Also was there lots of support from members and supporters of the ppp for more effective response?Leaders can lead only where supporters want to go. Indo not think that many supporters and some leaders of the PPP had the intestinal fortitude for anything but peaceful struggle.

cain posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Don't forget the PPP Phantom Squad which was responsible for an estimated 400 extrajudicial murders.

Sawh met his demise because he wanted to stop the purchase of Kaow Island by Roger Khan. 

Django posted:

yuji22 posted:

cain posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Thanks for reminding us, Shaw was also murdered by the PNC Para Military gang. 

Yugi,

there is some ambiguity about Sawh demise,me thinks Granger mentioned about an inquiry.

Let him start one na. His party will be implicated twice. First for murdering Rodney and now this.

Mars posted:

cain posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Don't forget the PPP Phantom Squad which was responsible for an estimated 400 extrajudicial murders.

Sawh met his demise because he wanted to stop the purchase of Kaow Island by Roger Khan. 

Another unproven PNC Nancy story:

Those numbers are like: "Burnham does it again by winning with BIG numbers"

yuji22 posted:

Mars posted:

cain posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Don't forget the PPP Phantom Squad which was responsible for an estimated 400 extrajudicial murders.

Sawh met his demise because he wanted to stop the purchase of Kaow Island by Roger Khan. 

Another unproven PNC Nancy story:

Those numbers are like: "Burnham does it again by winning with BIG numbers"

Are you denying the existence of the PPP Phantom Squad? 

At one time, you clowns praised RK, Gajraj and the Phantoms as heroes and now you're trying to deny them? Which one is it?

Thank GOD Scums of the Earth were eradicated!!!!!!!!!!

Nice try by PNC Poster Boy Mars, We ain't buying PNC Dog Shyte Nancy Stories:

All you bring it to the PNC court and prove the Nancy Story na. Guyanese don't want to hear any more PNC Nancy Stories.

yuji22 posted:

Nice try, We ain't buying PNC Dog Shyte Nancy Stories:

 

 

As a true Piss Pot Porter I don't expect you to accept anything that would show the angelic PPP in a bad light.

Mars posted:

cain posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Don't forget the PPP Phantom Squad which was responsible for an estimated 400 extrajudicial murders.

Sawh met his demise because he wanted to stop the purchase of Kaow Island by Roger Khan. 

this is nonsense...I aint no PPP defender, but this 400 killing by phantom squad is made up story

Exactly.

RiffRaff posted:

Mars posted:

cain posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Don't forget the PPP Phantom Squad which was responsible for an estimated 400 extrajudicial murders.

Sawh met his demise because he wanted to stop the purchase of Kaow Island by Roger Khan. 

this is nonsense...I aint no PPP defender, but this 400 killing by phantom squad is made up story

Dude, there is documented evidence of an estimated 400 execution style murders in the early 2000's. Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

All you bring it to the PNC court and prove the Nancy Story na. Guyanese don't want to hear any more PNC Nancy Stories.

there is no proof that a phantom squad killed 400 people...this was made up by that organization (ACDA or something like that) to try and say blacks were being murdered in Guyana...when we all know what was going on on the East Coast

RiffRaff posted:

 

this is nonsense...I aint no PPP defender, but this 400 killing by phantom squad is made up story

U.S. calls on Guyana to investigate "death squads"

July 19, 2010

GEORGETOWN (Reuters) - The United States on Monday called for Guyana to investigate reports that members of the security forces, sometimes employing criminals, murdered hundreds of people during the last 17 years.

In November, opposition political parties released a file listing 449 alleged extrajudicial killings in the English-speaking South American country between 1993 and 2009, many blamed on an elite police unit called the “Black Clothes” squad.

read more

Riff,

what is you estimate ?

RiffRaff posted:

there is no proof that a phantom squad killed 400 people...this was made up by that organization (ACDA or something like that) to try and say blacks were being murdered in Guyana...when we all know what was going on on the East Coast

 

It's not difficult to compile names of people being executed as every murder is broadcast in the news media. It's a fact that many blacks and people of other races were executed and their murders were never solved. At the same time, there was a death squad sponsored by the PPP carrying out extrajudicial murders. 

Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

bullspit...

lots of these suckers were robbing and killing people...they deserved what they got...

they should have investigated all the victims of some of these murderers, but some people life don't mean squat to some of you

US investigate my ass....that organization figured they would just put forward a report without all the facts

I am not saying Phamtom squad did not exist, most of the people who got killed were doing killings of their own...they were not boy scouts

RiffRaff posted:

bullspit...

lots of these suckers were robbing and killing people...they deserved what they got...

they should have investigated all the victims of some of these murderers, but some people life don't mean squat to some of you

US investigate my ass....that organization figured they would just put forward a report without all the facts

So if you rob someone, you should be executed by a Government sponsored hit squad? That makes a lot of sense. 

How do we know that the men who were executed robbed or killed anyone? We should just take your word or the PPP's word for it and bump them off?

Man, y'all would take us back to caveman days if given the chance.

RiffRaff posted:

I am not saying Phamtom squad did not exist, most of the people who got killed were doing killings of their own...they were not boy scouts

What ever happened to the rule of law where one is presumed innocent until found guilty in a court of law? Y'all prefer cowboy justice!!!

Hey, all the killing and robbing stopped after they were wiped out...obviously they must have been responsible

funny how all the slo fiah, mo fiah crowd were free to burn down the place without any repercussions

RiffRaff posted:

Hey, all the killing and robbing stopped after they were wiped out...obviously they must have been responsible

The killing stopped? I must have missed it. So why do I see people here claiming that crime is out of control. 

So how do you know that 300 men were not innocently killed and 100 were actually guilty and deserved what they got?

..time for me to go back to work

Mars posted:

RiffRaff posted:

Mars posted:

cain posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Don't forget the PPP Phantom Squad which was responsible for an estimated 400 extrajudicial murders.

Sawh met his demise because he wanted to stop the purchase of Kaow Island by Roger Khan. 

this is nonsense...I aint no PPP defender, but this 400 killing by phantom squad is made up story

Dude, there is documented evidence of an estimated 400 execution style murders in the early 2000's. Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

What is the source you referring to??? Thanks

VishMahabir posted:

Mars posted:

RiffRaff posted:

Mars posted:

cain posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Don't forget the PPP Phantom Squad which was responsible for an estimated 400 extrajudicial murders.

Sawh met his demise because he wanted to stop the purchase of Kaow Island by Roger Khan. 

this is nonsense...I aint no PPP defender, but this 400 killing by phantom squad is made up story

Dude, there is documented evidence of an estimated 400 execution style murders in the early 2000's. Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

What is the source you referring to??? Thanks

Someone here some time ago  brought up the elimination of Indos from Wismar...anyone got the source for this or is it fake news?

Just asking

VishMahabir posted:

 

Someone here some time ago  brought up the elimination of Indos from Wismar...anyone got the source for this or is it fake news?

Just asking

Young man,the info is on GNI.

check here

VishMahabir posted:

Mars posted:

Dude, there is documented evidence of an estimated 400 execution style murders in the early 2000's. Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

What is the source you referring to??? Thanks

There is a dossier that was compiled in Guyana. I'm not sure who's responsible for the dossier.

Mars posted:

RiffRaff posted:

there is no proof that a phantom squad killed 400 people...this was made up by that organization (ACDA or something like that) to try and say blacks were being murdered in Guyana...when we all know what was going on on the East Coast

 

It's not difficult to compile names of people being executed as every murder is broadcast in the news media. It's a fact that many blacks and people of other races were executed and their murders were never solved. At the same time, there was a death squad sponsored by the PPP carrying out extrajudicial murders. 

Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

Let me put it you in simple terms, the army and police was and is controlled by the Blacks/ PNC operatives, so it was justifiable for the PPP government at the time had the Phantom Squad. Many of the crimes were done by Police and Military if not directly, they loaned their weapons to the criminals to get a piece of the pie. Although in opposition, the PNC controlled the Police and Military, they called the" shots".

Mars posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Mars posted:

Dude, there is documented evidence of an estimated 400 execution style murders in the early 2000's. Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

What is the source you referring to??? Thanks

There is a dossier that was compiled in Guyana. I'm not sure who's responsible for the dossier.

There was a dossier, half of the names on it were criminals...the other half were victims of most of these criminals, some were victims of RK and his squad

I don't disagree that this was not the way to have justice...but things were way outta hand

IMO, PPP did not make a honest effort to include all Guyanese in economic development, on the other hand, plenty people lazy as well

Yall rass still arguing over dem PPP "saints"