I forgot to mention they became saints when they started handing out religious tracts at PYO meetings.

cain posted:

I forgot to mention they became saints when they started hanging out religious tracts at PYO meetings.

Should be "handing out"

got it, tks

Mars posted:

RiffRaff posted:

Mars posted:

cain posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Don't forget the PPP Phantom Squad which was responsible for an estimated 400 extrajudicial murders.

Sawh met his demise because he wanted to stop the purchase of Kaow Island by Roger Khan. 

this is nonsense...I aint no PPP defender, but this 400 killing by phantom squad is made up story

Dude, there is documented evidence of an estimated 400 execution style murders in the early 2000's. Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

Document by African association . You know crap. I live and experience this period in Guyana and can relate to this . You know bull shit .. shut the fk up . You are are making my blood boil with your fake news .

Dave posted:

Mars posted:

Dude, there is documented evidence of an estimated 400 execution style murders in the early 2000's. Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

Document by African association . You know crap. I live and experience this period in Guyana and can relate to this . You know bull shit .. shut the fk up . You are are making my blood boil with your fake news .

Dumbass, so only the PPP can document something to your satisfaction? You think only PPP propaganda matters. Maybe to dumbasses like you who are incapable of comprehending anything else.

Mars posted:

Dave posted:

Mars posted:

Dude, there is documented evidence of an estimated 400 execution style murders in the early 2000's. Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

Document by African association . You know crap. I live and experience this period in Guyana and can relate to this . You know bull shit .. shut the fk up . You are are making my blood boil with your fake news .

Dumbass, so only the PPP can document something to your satisfaction? You think only PPP propaganda matters. Maybe to dumbasses like you who are incapable of comprehending anything else.

Shut the fk up . You knows nothing but spreading blacks propaganda .

you is a skt hole .

Dave posted:

Mars posted:

Dave posted:

Mars posted:

Dude, there is documented evidence of an estimated 400 execution style murders in the early 2000's. Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

Document by African association . You know crap. I live and experience this period in Guyana and can relate to this . You know bull shit .. shut the fk up . You are are making my blood boil with your fake news .

Dumbass, so only the PPP can document something to your satisfaction? You think only PPP propaganda matters. Maybe to dumbasses like you who are incapable of comprehending anything else.

Shut the fk up . You knows nothing but spreading blacks propaganda .

you is a skt hole .

For you info , the PPP did not create the phampton squad, it was finance by business owners to wipe the criminals out , unfortunately 95% were  blacks .

your kind mentally shackles their foot and don’t want to work for a living . What you should do now is help them in Guyana , the sufferment and starvation blacks are experiencing  now in Guyana is heart breaking to see humans suffer this much . Do something to help them . 

Dave posted:

Dave posted:

Mars posted:

Dave posted:

Mars posted:

Dude, there is documented evidence of an estimated 400 execution style murders in the early 2000's. Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

Document by African association . You know crap. I live and experience this period in Guyana and can relate to this . You know bull shit .. shut the fk up . You are are making my blood boil with your fake news .

Dumbass, so only the PPP can document something to your satisfaction? You think only PPP propaganda matters. Maybe to dumbasses like you who are incapable of comprehending anything else.

Shut the fk up . You knows nothing but spreading blacks propaganda .

you is a skt hole .

For you info , the PPP did not create the phampton squad, it was finance by business owners to wipe the criminals out , unfortunately 95% were  blacks .

your kind mentally shackles their foot and don’t want to work for a living . What you should do now is help them in Guyana , the sufferment and starvation blacks are experiencing  now in Guyana is heart breaking to see humans suffer this much . Do something to help them . 

The Phantom Squad was facilitated by the PPP from providing weapons, hit men from the military, hi tech phone tapping device and the freedom to operate above the law without any fear of prosecution. 

Do you know anything of my kind? Stupid idiot! You can barely write above the level of a ten year old.

Dave posted:

Django posted:

Dave posted:

Dave posted:

Djanjo , regarding your headline, please answer the following questions .

1.Have you suffer or experience violence under  the PPP government .

2. If you left guyana before PPP get into government , have you experience or witness violence while PPP was in the opposition .

3. Have you experience violence living under the PNC government .

Waiting on Djanjo ?? 

Dave,

the headline is not mine.

Regarding your questions.

(1) No...I was a kid when the PPP was first in Gov't.

(2) Migrated in 1996.During the four years i have not witnessed any violence.

While the PPP in opposition,it's a known fact Sugar Cane Fields was set alight illegally.

(3) Personally..No.

I have witnessed violence on the WCD,carried out by PNC henchmen against Political Parties.

 

 

Thank for your response . However , being the messenger of a man who’s creditability is in question, it is expect you will share your views after posting his article  unless you are in agreement  with him which I believe .

Look at this moron. What the hell is creditability? The word is whose. "It is expect". LOL.

Did you ever go to high school or you started cutting cane straight out of primary school?

Mars posted:

Dave posted:

Django posted:

Dave posted:

Dave posted:

Djanjo , regarding your headline, please answer the following questions .

1.Have you suffer or experience violence under  the PPP government .

2. If you left guyana before PPP get into government , have you experience or witness violence while PPP was in the opposition .

3. Have you experience violence living under the PNC government .

Waiting on Djanjo ?? 

Dave,

the headline is not mine.

Regarding your questions.

(1) No...I was a kid when the PPP was first in Gov't.

(2) Migrated in 1996.During the four years i have not witnessed any violence.

While the PPP in opposition,it's a known fact Sugar Cane Fields was set alight illegally.

(3) Personally..No.

I have witnessed violence on the WCD,carried out by PNC henchmen against Political Parties.

 

 

Thank for your response . However , being the messenger of a man who’s creditability is in question, it is expect you will share your views after posting his article  unless you are in agreement  with him which I believe .

Look at this moron. What the hell is creditability? The word is whose. "It is expect". LOL.

Did you ever go to high school or you started cutting cane straight out of primary school?

I earn a honest living unlike your type.

so shut the fk up skt hole

What's Mars type, Dave?

Dave posted:

Mars posted:

Dave posted:

Thank for your response . However , being the messenger of a man who’s creditability is in question, it is expect you will share your views after posting his article  unless you are in agreement  with him which I believe .

Look at this moron. What the hell is creditability? The word is whose. "It is expect". LOL.

Did you ever go to high school or you started cutting cane straight out of primary school?

I earn a honest living unlike your type.

so shut the fk up skt hole

That's the most you morons can come here and do. Curse when you cannot mount an argument that makes any sense. Working in the factory is an honest living. I don't begrudge anyone has to use their hands because of their limited education. Maybe you should invest in some ESL classes in your spare time.

You know nothing of my type and if you were of my type maybe you wouldn't be so stupid and ugly.

All this moaning and groaning about the necessary steps taken by the PPP government to eradicate the criminals who were terrorizing the law abiding and innocent people of Guyana. The crime situation got corrected pretty quickly. I don't know why anyone would lose any sleep over those scumbags lives being put out. 

Those scumbag murderous criminals were raiding Eve Leary Police Headquarters. What within law approach was going to work. Mueller issue a warrant for Manafort to turn himself in. Think the Guyana Police Force could have done the same? Would those murderous criminals who were praised by the PNC and eventually given stately funeral by the PNC have peacefully turn themselves in to the police? Yet the moaning and groaning over them.

ksazma posted:

All this moaning and groaning about the necessary steps taken by the PPP government to eradicate the criminals who were terrorizing the law abiding and innocent people of Guyana. The crime situation got corrected pretty quickly. I don't know why anyone would lose any sleep over those scumbags lives being put out. 

Do you actually support state sponsored murder? Do you know what would be the outcry from folks like you if Granger were to hire a hit squad to execute citizens of Guyana? If the crime situation was corrected so quickly, why is it that crime was still out of control when the PPP were voted out in 2015? How do you know that all the people executed by the Phantom Squad were scumbags? Were they not entitled to a fair trail as defined in the laws of Guyana? Was execution a fair punishment if they committed a crime? 

Y’all would take us back to caveman days if given a chance.

The Phantom Squad served a good job to get rid of die hard criminals which the police refused to take action. The country became safer businesses grew and lots of development. 

Kaz do you know for fact all of those who were killed were criminals? To what we have heard that has been going around, the small time crooks were being eradicated in order for the big guys do their work in peace. Now if the leader of a country cannot get the police force nor armed forces to work for them whose fault is it? Did the PPP ever try to bring these outfits up to standard and did they ever try to have a good balance of the various races or did they just figure it's a black thing?

The PPP then resorted to hiring killers to work for them. Do not forget where the leader of such a group is now sitting.

kp posted:

The Phantom Squad served a good job to get rid of die hard criminals which the police refused to rake action. The country became safer businesses grew and lots of development. 

I find it difficult to believe that you people would sanction state sponsored murder. I bet if it was being done by Granger, you'd be up in arms. How do you know that those people executed were die hard criminals? How did the country become any safer? There was still out of control crime when the PPP left in 2015.

Mars posted:

Dave posted:

Mars posted:

Dave posted:

Thank for your response . However , being the messenger of a man who’s creditability is in question, it is expect you will share your views after posting his article  unless you are in agreement  with him which I believe .

Look at this moron. What the hell is creditability? The word is whose. "It is expect". LOL.

Did you ever go to high school or you started cutting cane straight out of primary school?

I earn a honest living unlike your type.

so shut the fk up skt hole

That's the most you morons can come here and do. Curse when you cannot mount an argument that makes any sense. Working in the factory is an honest living. I don't begrudge anyone has to use their hands because of their limited education. Maybe you should invest in some ESL classes in your spare time.

You know nothing of my type and if you were of my type maybe you wouldn't be so stupid and ugly.

Don't need schooling from a dummy. Go headucate yourself about the facts how the 400 plus was kill ... take your ead out your ase .

Dave posted:

Mars posted:

Dave posted:

Mars posted:

Dave posted:

Thank for your response . However , being the messenger of a man who’s creditability is in question, it is expect you will share your views after posting his article  unless you are in agreement  with him which I believe .

Look at this moron. What the hell is creditability? The word is whose. "It is expect". LOL.

Did you ever go to high school or you started cutting cane straight out of primary school?

I earn a honest living unlike your type.

so shut the fk up skt hole

That's the most you morons can come here and do. Curse when you cannot mount an argument that makes any sense. Working in the factory is an honest living. I don't begrudge anyone has to use their hands because of their limited education. Maybe you should invest in some ESL classes in your spare time.

You know nothing of my type and if you were of my type maybe you wouldn't be so stupid and ugly.

Don't need schooling from a dummy. Go headucate yourself about the facts how the 400 plus was kill ... take your ead out your ase .

Of course you don't need schooling from a dummy. That would be one dummy trying to teach another. You need to go back to a proper school and get a bit of education beyond your primary school level.

watch the language fellas

RiffRaff posted:

watch the language fellas

Talk to that jackass who shows up and starts with his vile behavior. I'm not going to let these morons insult me.

Mars posted:

ksazma posted:

All this moaning and groaning about the necessary steps taken by the PPP government to eradicate the criminals who were terrorizing the law abiding and innocent people of Guyana. The crime situation got corrected pretty quickly. I don't know why anyone would lose any sleep over those scumbags lives being put out. 

Do you actually support state sponsored murder? Do you know what would be the outcry from folks like you if Granger were to hire a hit squad to execute citizens of Guyana? If the crime situation was corrected so quickly, why is it that crime was still out of control when the PPP were voted out in 2015? How do you know that all the people executed by the Phantom Squad were scumbags? Were they not entitled to a fair trail as defined in the laws of Guyana? Was execution a fair punishment if they committed a crime? 

Y’all would take us back to caveman days if given a chance.

Perhaps you need to revisit the crime situation in Guyana around that time in question. Maybe you can start with the ridiculous notion of Eve Leary Police Headquarters considering hiring security guards to protect them from those murderous criminals. For those murderous criminals, execution is the perfect punishment. I don't care to lose any sleep over their demise just like I didn't lose any sleep over Bin Laden's demise. If a Phantom Squad was necessary, then a Phantom Squad it will be and was.

cain posted:

Kaz do you know for fact all of those who were killed were criminals? To what we have heard that has been going around, the small time crooks were being eradicated in order for the big guys do their work in peace. Now if the leader of a country cannot get the police force nor armed forces to work for them whose fault is it? Did the PPP ever try to bring these outfits up to standard and did they ever try to have a good balance of the various races or did they just figure it's a black thing?

The PPP then resorted to hiring killers to work for them. Do not forget where the leader of such a group is now sitting.

Cainsta, I don't know if they were all part of the murderous criminal gang but I remember that those criminals were targeted and eliminated. I remember reading abut the shootout in Prashad Nagar that took the live of that scumbag who was given a stately funeral by the PNC dudes. I have no problems with the measures that were taken to put that scumbag and his compadres some six feet below ground.

Regarding the GPF, even when we lived in Guyana, the police officers were always rice eaters. They didn't care about fighting the real criminals. They just use their positions to victimize regular citizens. Nothing changed even though the government changed from the PNC to the PPP to the joke that is in government now. The ranks of the police force has always had a criminal and bullying nature to them. They were useless against the murderous criminals who were terrorizing the country before they were deep sixed. I don't care to lose sleep over them. 

ksazma posted:

Mars posted:

ksazma posted:

All this moaning and groaning about the necessary steps taken by the PPP government to eradicate the criminals who were terrorizing the law abiding and innocent people of Guyana. The crime situation got corrected pretty quickly. I don't know why anyone would lose any sleep over those scumbags lives being put out. 

Do you actually support state sponsored murder? Do you know what would be the outcry from folks like you if Granger were to hire a hit squad to execute citizens of Guyana? If the crime situation was corrected so quickly, why is it that crime was still out of control when the PPP were voted out in 2015? How do you know that all the people executed by the Phantom Squad were scumbags? Were they not entitled to a fair trail as defined in the laws of Guyana? Was execution a fair punishment if they committed a crime? 

Y’all would take us back to caveman days if given a chance.

Perhaps you need to revisit the crime situation in Guyana around that time in question. Maybe you can start with the ridiculous notion of Eve Leary Police Headquarters considering hiring security guards to protect them from those murderous criminals. For those murderous criminals, execution is the perfect punishment. I don't care to lose any sleep over their demise just like I didn't lose any sleep over Bin Laden's demise. If a Phantom Squad was necessary, then a Phantom Squad it will be and was.

Running a government is a tough undertaking and if you're not up to the task, you need to be replaced. Did you see Obama or Trump hire death squads to bring crime under control in Chicago? The murder rate there is a lot worse than it ever was in Guyana but there has to be the rule of law or else the society will erode into anarchy. How do you know that the people being executed were murderous criminals? Were they put on trial through the designated justice system? Was execution the punishment for a crime they might have committed? You people seem to care about sticking to constitutional requirements by Granger but turn a blind eye when the PPP threw the constitution out of the window. A death squad to execute your own citizens without a trial is never necessary. There are other means of curbing crime within the nation. For instance, hiring and training more police officers like the current government is doing. Collaborating with the US DEA and Scotland Yard and learning advanced crime fighting techniques like the current government is doing. Crime is being reduced slowly but surely without resorting to outsourcing crime fighting to a hit squad.

cain posted:

Kaz do you know for fact all of those who were killed were criminals? To what we have heard that has been going around, the small time crooks were being eradicated in order for the big guys do their work in peace. Now if the leader of a country cannot get the police force nor armed forces to work for them whose fault is it? Did the PPP ever try to bring these outfits up to standard and did they ever try to have a good balance of the various races or did they just figure it's a black thing?

The PPP then resorted to hiring killers to work for them. Do not forget where the leader of such a group is now sitting.

Crime was out of control because the army and police were directed by PNC elements to destabilize the country and bring it down to its knees . Similarly to what took place at parliament building yesterday. The speaker directing the police who to arrest where his jurisdiction is only within the house.

In the ppp Government ,police radios were intercept and redirecting the police to other locations where crimes were not committed . Police station were locked up from the gate at 6 PM , in some cases all day the gates were locked.

RK had his own empire and as the situation gets out of hand, his squad was hire to wipe out the criminals that was harbouring by buxtonians. Nightly visit was done by known PNC top brass. 

The squad then was going after drug lords and paid to kill .

Reyaz Khan ( glen lall  brother) was fighting to take control of the drugs trade in Guyana 

Most of the dangerous criminals got wipe out after kidnaping the wrong man ( Bramanan from Keisher ) you don’t mess with him . The Colombians along with a sislian was brought in to rescue Brama and they did. 

Brama , RK and Reyaz sends their troop in to wipe out all tom dick and harry ... cause their business was suffering ... that’s when blacks start jumping up ... them a kill Abe 

When Andre Douglas gives his interview to  CNS tv with a ak47 at his side in Buxton , guess what... I was there and heard all the police messages on the criminals radio , as we were about to drive out Nigel, Basil Williams were coming in. 

Mars posted:

RiffRaff posted:

watch the language fellas

Talk to that jackass who shows up and starts with his vile behavior. I'm not going to let these morons insult me.

You still braying.

 to Dave posted:

Mars posted:

RiffRaff posted:

watch the language fellas

Talk to that jackass who shows up and starts with his vile behavior. I'm not going to let these morons insult me.

You still braying.

Actually calling you a jackass is an insult to those dumb animals since they are much more intelligent than you can ever dream to be.

Mars posted:

 to Dave posted:

Mars posted:

RiffRaff posted:

watch the language fellas

Talk to that jackass who shows up and starts with his vile behavior. I'm not going to let these morons insult me.

You still braying.

Actually calling you a jackass is an insult to those dumb animals since they are much more intelligent than you can ever dream to be.

“Dumb animals “... why insulting your people. Why are you so deranged wacko , had your meds . 

Mars posted:

ksazma posted:

Mars posted:

ksazma posted:

All this moaning and groaning about the necessary steps taken by the PPP government to eradicate the criminals who were terrorizing the law abiding and innocent people of Guyana. The crime situation got corrected pretty quickly. I don't know why anyone would lose any sleep over those scumbags lives being put out. 

Do you actually support state sponsored murder? Do you know what would be the outcry from folks like you if Granger were to hire a hit squad to execute citizens of Guyana? If the crime situation was corrected so quickly, why is it that crime was still out of control when the PPP were voted out in 2015? How do you know that all the people executed by the Phantom Squad were scumbags? Were they not entitled to a fair trail as defined in the laws of Guyana? Was execution a fair punishment if they committed a crime? 

Y’all would take us back to caveman days if given a chance.

Perhaps you need to revisit the crime situation in Guyana around that time in question. Maybe you can start with the ridiculous notion of Eve Leary Police Headquarters considering hiring security guards to protect them from those murderous criminals. For those murderous criminals, execution is the perfect punishment. I don't care to lose any sleep over their demise just like I didn't lose any sleep over Bin Laden's demise. If a Phantom Squad was necessary, then a Phantom Squad it will be and was.

Running a government is a tough undertaking and if you're not up to the task, you need to be replaced. Did you see Obama or Trump hire death squads to bring crime under control in Chicago? The murder rate there is a lot worse than it ever was in Guyana but there has to be the rule of law or else the society will erode into anarchy. How do you know that the people being executed were murderous criminals? Were they put on trial through the designated justice system? Was execution the punishment for a crime they might have committed? You people seem to care about sticking to constitutional requirements by Granger but turn a blind eye when the PPP threw the constitution out of the window. A death squad to execute your own citizens without a trial is never necessary. There are other means of curbing crime within the nation. For instance, hiring and training more police officers like the current government is doing. Collaborating with the US DEA and Scotland Yard and learning advanced crime fighting techniques like the current government is doing. Crime is being reduced slowly but surely without resorting to outsourcing crime fighting to a hit squad.

I know that the Phantom squad worked because the murderous criminals were deep sixed and those citizens' lives when back to normalcy. Eve Leary Police Headquarters did not have to get those security guards anymore. Guyana is not like the US where there are law enforcement units that are respected and obeyed. The police ranks in Guyana are themselves perpetrators of abuse against regular citizens to one cannot compare the situation in Guyana to the US. The reality if that the Phantom squad worked. Those terrorists who were terrorizing the citizens of Guyana were deep sixed. That is enough justice. Lastly, the crime situation now is nowhere it was during those 5 years when Fineman and his murderous compadres terrorize Guyanese residents. Training from Scotland Yard and the DEA would not be effective during those 5 years. Snuffing them out the way we snuffed out Bin Laden was the right and only approach. In Guyana, due process through the court is a joke. People exchange money in the courtyard of the Magistrate Courts and the charges go away. Fineman would have been terrorizing the neighborhood hours after he is arrested given the way things work in Guyana.

Dave posted:

RK had his own empire and as the situation gets out of hand, his squad was hire to wipe out the criminals that was harbouring by buxtonians. Nightly visit was done by known PNC top brass. 

The squad then was going after drug lords and paid to kill .

Reyaz Khan ( glen lall  brother) was fighting to take control of the drugs trade in Guyana 

Most of the dangerous criminals got wipe out after kidnaping the wrong man ( Bramanan from Keisher ) you don’t mess with him . The Colombians along with a sislian was brought in to rescue Brama and they did. 

Brama , RK and Reyaz sends their troop in to wipe out all tom dick and harry ... cause their business was suffering ... that’s when blacks start jumping up ... them a kill Abe 

 

So you are aware the Cartels were part of the Economy under PPP watch.

Where there are Drugs there is corruption,money have to be laundered.

I said before that under the PPP there were extra-judicial killings of hundreds of people. That's a FACT, not my opinion. One cause had to do with hardened criminals. The other cause had to do with the so-called Buxton freedom fighters pledging to overthrow the government. The security forces proved inadequate for quelling the carnage so, as Dave said, rich businessman pooled their resources and hired the phantom squad with some blessing from the government. While I understand the dilemma the government faced, I am against vigilante justice. In the long run it is a dark shadow still haunting the PPP. 

Django posted:

Dave posted:

RK had his own empire and as the situation gets out of hand, his squad was hire to wipe out the criminals that was harbouring by buxtonians. Nightly visit was done by known PNC top brass. 

The squad then was going after drug lords and paid to kill .

Reyaz Khan ( glen lall  brother) was fighting to take control of the drugs trade in Guyana 

Most of the dangerous criminals got wipe out after kidnaping the wrong man ( Bramanan from Keisher ) you don’t mess with him . The Colombians along with a sislian was brought in to rescue Brama and they did. 

Brama , RK and Reyaz sends their troop in to wipe out all tom dick and harry ... cause their business was suffering ... that’s when blacks start jumping up ... them a kill Abe 

 

So you are aware the Cartels were part of the Economy under PPP watch.

Where there are Drugs there is corruption,money have to be laundered.

They were always there, that’s not new . 

I forgot abou the US England and Canada offering assistance in crime fighting but BJ had his plan which was to keep them away. Was this deliberate so the ABC countries not see the real reason crime was escalating? As mentioned by Dave "Drugs" was the culprit and by what we heard, lots of drugs. Guyana at the time was considered the hub for drug running, so why would the President not accept the assistance he was being offered?

Dave posted:

 

They were always there, that’s not new . 

Not very prevalent in the trade when i reside there,some of those names i know,except RK.

I will stay quiet.

They and others got a free run under Jagdeo's watch.

Gilbakka posted:

I said before that under the PPP there were extra-judicial killings of hundreds of people. That's a FACT, not my opinion. One cause had to do with hardened criminals. The other cause had to do with the so-called Buxton freedom fighters pledging to overthrow the government. The security forces proved inadequate for quelling the carnage so, as Dave said, rich businessman pooled their resources and hired the phantom squad with some blessing from the government. While I understand the dilemma the government faced, I am against vigilante justice. In the long run it is a dark shadow still haunting the PPP. 

It is difficult to be concerned about vigilante justice when murderous criminals are terrorizing the neighborhood. It was kill or be killed. Certainly the murderous criminals didn't have right to life over the ordinary citizens.

ksazma posted:

Mars posted:

ksazma posted:

Mars posted:

ksazma posted:

All this moaning and groaning about the necessary steps taken by the PPP government to eradicate the criminals who were terrorizing the law abiding and innocent people of Guyana. The crime situation got corrected pretty quickly. I don't know why anyone would lose any sleep over those scumbags lives being put out. 

Do you actually support state sponsored murder? Do you know what would be the outcry from folks like you if Granger were to hire a hit squad to execute citizens of Guyana? If the crime situation was corrected so quickly, why is it that crime was still out of control when the PPP were voted out in 2015? How do you know that all the people executed by the Phantom Squad were scumbags? Were they not entitled to a fair trail as defined in the laws of Guyana? Was execution a fair punishment if they committed a crime? 

Y’all would take us back to caveman days if given a chance.

Perhaps you need to revisit the crime situation in Guyana around that time in question. Maybe you can start with the ridiculous notion of Eve Leary Police Headquarters considering hiring security guards to protect them from those murderous criminals. For those murderous criminals, execution is the perfect punishment. I don't care to lose any sleep over their demise just like I didn't lose any sleep over Bin Laden's demise. If a Phantom Squad was necessary, then a Phantom Squad it will be and was.

Running a government is a tough undertaking and if you're not up to the task, you need to be replaced. Did you see Obama or Trump hire death squads to bring crime under control in Chicago? The murder rate there is a lot worse than it ever was in Guyana but there has to be the rule of law or else the society will erode into anarchy. How do you know that the people being executed were murderous criminals? Were they put on trial through the designated justice system? Was execution the punishment for a crime they might have committed? You people seem to care about sticking to constitutional requirements by Granger but turn a blind eye when the PPP threw the constitution out of the window. A death squad to execute your own citizens without a trial is never necessary. There are other means of curbing crime within the nation. For instance, hiring and training more police officers like the current government is doing. Collaborating with the US DEA and Scotland Yard and learning advanced crime fighting techniques like the current government is doing. Crime is being reduced slowly but surely without resorting to outsourcing crime fighting to a hit squad.

I know that the Phantom squad worked because the murderous criminals were deep sixed and those citizens' lives when back to normalcy. Eve Leary Police Headquarters did not have to get those security guards anymore. Guyana is not like the US where there are law enforcement units that are respected and obeyed. The police ranks in Guyana are themselves perpetrators of abuse against regular citizens to one cannot compare the situation in Guyana to the US. The reality if that the Phantom squad worked. Those terrorists who were terrorizing the citizens of Guyana were deep sixed. That is enough justice. Lastly, the crime situation now is nowhere it was during those 5 years when Fineman and his murderous compadres terrorize Guyanese residents. Training from Scotland Yard and the DEA would not be effective during those 5 years. Snuffing them out the way we snuffed out Bin Laden was the right and only approach. In Guyana, due process through the court is a joke. People exchange money in the courtyard of the Magistrate Courts and the charges go away. Fineman would have been terrorizing the neighborhood hours after he is arrested given the way things work in Guyana.

You must be dreaming if you think that crime was under control when the PPP left in 2015. It is bizarre that you people would support state sponsored murder, but then again, the PPP is God in your eyes so you will justify anything they do even if it's unconstitutional to the highest degree. Bin Laden was not an American citizen committing a crime in America. The US was at war with Al Qaeda and in a war, the rules of engagement are different. I'm surprised that you wouldn't know something as elementary as this. Then again, why am I even surprised? I tend to forget who I'm speaking to at times. The US DEA and Scotland Yard offered their assistance but the PPP turned them down because they were working in co with the drug lords. Those international agencies would have detected the collaboration between Khan and the PPP in a heartbeat. All their illegal dealings such as government land sold to Khan for pennies, providing him with the spy equipment, etc, would have been exposed. The PPP also didn't mind having high crime to deal with since they were locked away in their mansions at night. The drug trade was bringing in massive amounts of foreign exchange so the PPP turned a blind eye to it, leaving citizens to face violent crime brought on by drug lords competing for turf.

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You must be dreaming if you think that crime was under control when the PPP left in 2015. It is bizarre that you people would support state sponsored murder, but then again, the PPP is God in your eyes so you will justify anything they do even if it's unconstitutional to the highest degree. Bin Laden was not an American citizen committing a crime in America. The US was at war with Al Qaeda and in a war, the rules of engagement are different. I'm surprised that you wouldn't know something as elementary as this. Then again, why am I even surprised? I tend to forget who I'm speaking to at times. The US DEA and Scotland Yard offered their assistance but the PPP turned them down because they were working in co with the drug lords. Those international agencies would have detected the collaboration between Khan and the PPP in a heartbeat. All their illegal dealings such as government land sold to Khan for pennies, providing him with the spy equipment, etc, would have been exposed. The PPP also didn't mind having high crime to deal with since they were locked away in their mansions at night. The drug trade was bringing in massive amounts of foreign exchange so the PPP turned a blind eye to it, leaving citizens to face violent crime brought on by drug lords competing for turf.

I didn't say that crime was under control when the PPP left office in 2015. I was referring to the situation between 2003 and 2008 when Fineman and his murderous criminal compadres were terrorizing the neighborhood. Every locality has their way in how they deal with murderous criminals and the method used to deep six Fineman and his compadres is perfectly fine with me. I don't know if any other method would have been as effective but this one worked so no need to lose sleep over it. 

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Mars posted:

 

You must be dreaming if you think that crime was under control when the PPP left in 2015. It is bizarre that you people would support state sponsored murder, but then again, the PPP is God in your eyes so you will justify anything they do even if it's unconstitutional to the highest degree. Bin Laden was not an American citizen committing a crime in America. The US was at war with Al Qaeda and in a war, the rules of engagement are different. I'm surprised that you wouldn't know something as elementary as this. Then again, why am I even surprised? I tend to forget who I'm speaking to at times. The US DEA and Scotland Yard offered their assistance but the PPP turned them down because they were working in co with the drug lords. Those international agencies would have detected the collaboration between Khan and the PPP in a heartbeat. All their illegal dealings such as government land sold to Khan for pennies, providing him with the spy equipment, etc, would have been exposed. The PPP also didn't mind having high crime to deal with since they were locked away in their mansions at night. The drug trade was bringing in massive amounts of foreign exchange so the PPP turned a blind eye to it, leaving citizens to face violent crime brought on by drug lords competing for turf.

I didn't say that crime was under control when the PPP left office in 2015. I was referring to the situation between 2003 and 2008 when Fineman and his murderous criminal compadres were terrorizing the neighborhood. Every locality has their way in how they deal with murderous criminals and the method used to deep six Fineman and his compadres is perfectly fine with me. I don't know if any other method would have been as effective but this one worked so no need to lose sleep over it. 

I'm not surprised that you would support state sponsored murder but only when used by the PPP. Would you now support the current government using death squads to control crime? These are methods employed by brutal dictators and are usually found in countries where democratic principles are not adhered to. Authorized law enforcement personnel, like every other country around the world uses, would have been sufficient. Violent crime was not brought under control by the time the PPP left in 2015 so the Phantom Squad was basically ineffective and very illegal. For every Fineman killed, there were many more who took their places so to claim that the Phantom Squad worked is simply not true. Once again you showed that you are clueless when it comes to Guyana's politics. It is grossly inaccurate to associate the killing of Fineman with the Phantom Squad since he was pursued and killed by authorized members of the joint services. They should have been using the Police and Army effectively all along instead of using hitmen in the employ of drug lords to control crime.

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ksazma posted:

Mars posted:

 

You must be dreaming if you think that crime was under control when the PPP left in 2015. It is bizarre that you people would support state sponsored murder, but then again, the PPP is God in your eyes so you will justify anything they do even if it's unconstitutional to the highest degree. Bin Laden was not an American citizen committing a crime in America. The US was at war with Al Qaeda and in a war, the rules of engagement are different. I'm surprised that you wouldn't know something as elementary as this. Then again, why am I even surprised? I tend to forget who I'm speaking to at times. The US DEA and Scotland Yard offered their assistance but the PPP turned them down because they were working in co with the drug lords. Those international agencies would have detected the collaboration between Khan and the PPP in a heartbeat. All their illegal dealings such as government land sold to Khan for pennies, providing him with the spy equipment, etc, would have been exposed. The PPP also didn't mind having high crime to deal with since they were locked away in their mansions at night. The drug trade was bringing in massive amounts of foreign exchange so the PPP turned a blind eye to it, leaving citizens to face violent crime brought on by drug lords competing for turf.

I didn't say that crime was under control when the PPP left office in 2015. I was referring to the situation between 2003 and 2008 when Fineman and his murderous criminal compadres were terrorizing the neighborhood. Every locality has their way in how they deal with murderous criminals and the method used to deep six Fineman and his compadres is perfectly fine with me. I don't know if any other method would have been as effective but this one worked so no need to lose sleep over it. 

I'm not surprised that you would support state sponsored murder but only when used by the PPP. Would you now support the current government using death squads to control crime? These are methods employed by brutal dictators and are usually found in countries where democratic principles are not adhered to. Authorized law enforcement personnel, like every other country around the world uses, would have been sufficient. Violent crime was not brought under control by the time the PPP left in 2015 so the Phantom Squad was basically ineffective and very illegal. For every Fineman killed, there were many more who took their places so to claim that the Phantom Squad worked is simply not true. Once again you showed that you are clueless when it comes to Guyana's politics. It is grossly inaccurate to associate the killing of Fineman with the Phantom Squad since he was pursued and killed by authorized members of the joint services. They should have been using the Police and Army effectively all along instead of using hitmen in the employ of drug lords to control crime.

By all means, I would support the current government using death squads to control the kind of crimes that Fineman and his murderous compadres perpetrated between 2003 and 2008. Crime is crime and whoever is able and willing to work to control it is welcomed by me.