Malcolm is no fifferent from theNamakaram. In fact, he is a bigger ASS KISSER, BATTY WASHER and selfish Parasite.

(And Moses Nagamootoo is now PM).

The above is what mostly concern these Namakaram Crabdaag. They care NOTHING of the Guyanese people. People like Malcolm and the Namakaram Crabdag are worst than FILTH!! They are inhuman, power hungry and always looking for ways( Any means possible) including selling their souls and everything else to the highest bidder. They do not come more of A nAMAKARAM cRABDAAG THAN THOSE 2!!!

i CHALLENGE ANYONE TO FOLLOW THEIR HISTORY. tHEY ARE THE scum OF THE eARTH!!!!

Nehru posted:

(And Moses Nagamootoo is now PM).

 

The above is what mostly concern these Namakaram Crabdaag. They care NOTHING of the Guyanese people. People like Malcolm and the Namakaram Crabdag are worst than FILTH!! They are inhuman, power hungry and always looking for ways( Any means possible) including selling their souls and everything else to the highest bidder. They do not come more of A nAMAKARAM cRABDAAG THAN THOSE 2!!!

i CHALLENGE ANYONE TO FOLLOW THEIR HISTORY. tHEY ARE THE scum OF THE eARTH!!!!

You seriously can't think of anything sensible to post? Can you substantiate these accusations by smattering of reason? Here are some lead questions to start: 1. Why are they worse than filth? 2. Why are they inhuman and power hungry?

antabanta posted:

Nehru posted:

(And Moses Nagamootoo is now PM).

 

The above is what mostly concern these Namakaram Crabdaag. They care NOTHING of the Guyanese people. People like Malcolm and the Namakaram Crabdag are worst than FILTH!! They are inhuman, power hungry and always looking for ways( Any means possible) including selling their souls and everything else to the highest bidder. They do not come more of A nAMAKARAM cRABDAAG THAN THOSE 2!!!

i CHALLENGE ANYONE TO FOLLOW THEIR HISTORY. tHEY ARE THE scum OF THE eARTH!!!!

You seriously can't think of anything sensible to post? Can you substantiate these accusations by smattering of reason? Here are some lead questions to start: 1. Why are they worse than filth? 2. Why are they inhuman and power hungry?

You are included!!!

Nehru posted:

antabanta posted:

Nehru posted:

(And Moses Nagamootoo is now PM).

 

The above is what mostly concern these Namakaram Crabdaag. They care NOTHING of the Guyanese people. People like Malcolm and the Namakaram Crabdag are worst than FILTH!! They are inhuman, power hungry and always looking for ways( Any means possible) including selling their souls and everything else to the highest bidder. They do not come more of A nAMAKARAM cRABDAAG THAN THOSE 2!!!

i CHALLENGE ANYONE TO FOLLOW THEIR HISTORY. tHEY ARE THE scum OF THE eARTH!!!!

You seriously can't think of anything sensible to post? Can you substantiate these accusations by smattering of reason? Here are some lead questions to start: 1. Why are they worse than filth? 2. Why are they inhuman and power hungry?

You are included!!!

Right... so 1. Why are they worse than filth? 2. Why are they inhuman and power hungry?

I refuse to give you free lessons!!!

Nehru posted:

I refuse to give you free lessons!!!

Come nah, man... don't play briga. Say something sensible... for once.

I liked Dr and Janet Jagan. However, I do have problems with how Balram Singh Rai was treated. Rai is a bright son of Guyana, perhaps much brighter than Dr Jagan. That level of brilliance should never be allowed to go away much less to let go. Perhaps Rai would have been able to keep that madman Burnham and his mischief away from Guyanese lives. That was a huge negative for Dr Jagan.

antabanta posted:

Nehru posted:

I refuse to give you free lessons!!!

Come nah, man... don't play briga. Say something sensible... for once.

He did when he said in his first post

"Malcolm is no fifferent from theNamakaram"

Mars posted:

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...-was-a-huge-blunder/

Jagan’s sacking of Rai was a huge blunder

By Staff Writer June 11, 2015  Comments

 

Dear Editor,

I observed that on June 9 the SN published a letter by Freddie Kissoon that dealt with Balram Singh Rai, and two days earlier Ralph Ramkarran also had Rai as his subject in his SN column. I write to offer my views on the ousting of Rai from the PPP by Cheddi and Janet Jagan.

I start by pointing out that Dr Baytoram Ramharack did in fact spend time interviewing Rai in London in the late 1990s when gathering material for his book, Against the Grain: Balram Singh Rai. I also spoke with Rai twice in 1998. I have since read the Indelible Red Stain by Dr Mohan Raghbeer and I also met with Dr Ragbheer in 2014. Needless to say I have met with Dr Ramharack on many occasions. I have also read Dr Cheddi Jagan’s West on Trial, many, many times as a teenager.

Following the British removal of the PPP from office in 1953, and the split of the party in 1955 along ideological lines, with Forbes Burnham and the Indian intellectuals walking away from the communist hardliners led by Janet and Cheddi Jagan, the Jagans were persuaded by Indian business and financiers to tone down the Marxist rhetoric. Dr Jagan was a bit muted in his communist utterances until 1959 when Fidel Castro seized power in Cuba.

It was a euphoric moment for Dr Jagan. All the communist propaganda that he had been brainwashed with had come true. Communism had triumphed mere miles away from the USA. From that moment on Dr Jagan truly believed that the USA would have collapsed to world communism and that determined his thinking until the fall of communist Europe and the USSR in 1989. With Dr Jagan increasing his anti-USA and pro-USSR proclamations in 1960, an alarmed Indian business class supported the pro Hindu, pro-British, pro-capitalist, and pro-democracy Balram Singh Rai to be Chairman of the PPP.

Janet and Cheddi Jagan were vehemently opposed to their Marxist-Leninist party being chaired by Rai and at the 1962 Congress of the PPP they padded the delegates list with 100 names and personally actively campaigned against Rai with nasty slander. Brindley Benn, who was Rai’s opponent, was allowed to chair the voting session of the Congress. Yet when the votes were counted Rai lost by only one vote! Rai publicly exposed the rigging. Dr Jagan asked him to retract the statements and even offered Rai an increase in salary but Rai refused to be bribed and stuck to the truth. Dr Jagan eventually had Rai removed from the government as Home Affairs Minister.

Sacking Rai was another huge blunder by Dr Jagan. Rai was a British trained lawyer who had won the confidence of the Colonial Office. The British saw Rai as a man of integrity and moral values, a believer in the British system of governance, in Western democratic values, in capitalism, and a man of religion. They saw Rai as a counter-balance to the Jagans’ obsession with communism. So long as Rai was in the PPP and in the government the British were confident that Dr Jagan’s ideology would be checked. With the firing of Rai by Dr Jagan the British could not trust Jagan with independence and the USA was given the green light to remove the PPP from office.

So Dr Cheddi Jagan’s refusal to place the interest of his Indo-Guyanese supporters and that of all Guyanese above that of communism arising out of his entry into the Cold War on the side of the USSR, finally saw the USA fomenting social unrest to remove him from office.

Balram Singh Rai had formed the Justice Party (Moses Nagamooto had flirted with Rai’s JP before he settled in Jagan’s PPP) and contested the elections, but the social unrest had damaged race relations so badly that Indo and Afro-Guyanese became extremely politically polarized and they rallied around the PPP and the PNC out of fear of the other. In such a situation Balram Singh Rai stood no chance of winning votes in large numbers. Rai only won 4,000 odd votes. Interestingly, maybe Karma, in 2015 the PPP lost by 4,000 odd votes! (And Moses Nagamootoo is now PM).

In the aftermath of the 1964 elections the Jagans continued to engage in very nasty slander of Rai in order to discredit him in the Indian community. In the later 1960s Forbes Burnham on different occasions offered to make Rai a Senior Counsel, a judge, and Speaker of the House but he declined the overtures. Rai in 1970 emigrated to the UK and never returned to Guyana. He would later be denied a parliamentary pension by both PNC and PPP governments. Now that we have in President Granger a man of the same moral and religious values and integrity as Rai, maybe we will finally see Rai getting his pension, and at least the Order of Roraima.

Yours faithfully,

Malcolm Harripaul

Norton claims rigging of PNC elections

By admin -

July 3, 2009 (Guyana Chronicle)

Mars

You are buying into the coalition's propaganda because you apparently dug real deep to pull this letter out from the vault.

I had asked before: If Granger had a problem with the first list, why did he not tell the Opposition leader what his problem was...instead of letting him run around like a chicken with a head three times?

Second, you cant compare these internal elections (both parties are guilty of rigging) with a move to steal a national election through what is most likely an unconstitutional action by the President. 

Besides, this action has severe political repercussions for race relations in Guyana's national politics.

VishMahabir posted:

Mars posted:

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...-was-a-huge-blunder/

Jagan’s sacking of Rai was a huge blunder

By Staff Writer June 11, 2015  Comments

 

Dear Editor,

I observed that on June 9 the SN published a letter by Freddie Kissoon that dealt with Balram Singh Rai, and two days earlier Ralph Ramkarran also had Rai as his subject in his SN column. I write to offer my views on the ousting of Rai from the PPP by Cheddi and Janet Jagan.

I start by pointing out that Dr Baytoram Ramharack did in fact spend time interviewing Rai in London in the late 1990s when gathering material for his book, Against the Grain: Balram Singh Rai. I also spoke with Rai twice in 1998. I have since read the Indelible Red Stain by Dr Mohan Raghbeer and I also met with Dr Ragbheer in 2014. Needless to say I have met with Dr Ramharack on many occasions. I have also read Dr Cheddi Jagan’s West on Trial, many, many times as a teenager.

Following the British removal of the PPP from office in 1953, and the split of the party in 1955 along ideological lines, with Forbes Burnham and the Indian intellectuals walking away from the communist hardliners led by Janet and Cheddi Jagan, the Jagans were persuaded by Indian business and financiers to tone down the Marxist rhetoric. Dr Jagan was a bit muted in his communist utterances until 1959 when Fidel Castro seized power in Cuba.

It was a euphoric moment for Dr Jagan. All the communist propaganda that he had been brainwashed with had come true. Communism had triumphed mere miles away from the USA. From that moment on Dr Jagan truly believed that the USA would have collapsed to world communism and that determined his thinking until the fall of communist Europe and the USSR in 1989. With Dr Jagan increasing his anti-USA and pro-USSR proclamations in 1960, an alarmed Indian business class supported the pro Hindu, pro-British, pro-capitalist, and pro-democracy Balram Singh Rai to be Chairman of the PPP.

Janet and Cheddi Jagan were vehemently opposed to their Marxist-Leninist party being chaired by Rai and at the 1962 Congress of the PPP they padded the delegates list with 100 names and personally actively campaigned against Rai with nasty slander. Brindley Benn, who was Rai’s opponent, was allowed to chair the voting session of the Congress. Yet when the votes were counted Rai lost by only one vote! Rai publicly exposed the rigging. Dr Jagan asked him to retract the statements and even offered Rai an increase in salary but Rai refused to be bribed and stuck to the truth. Dr Jagan eventually had Rai removed from the government as Home Affairs Minister.

Sacking Rai was another huge blunder by Dr Jagan. Rai was a British trained lawyer who had won the confidence of the Colonial Office. The British saw Rai as a man of integrity and moral values, a believer in the British system of governance, in Western democratic values, in capitalism, and a man of religion. They saw Rai as a counter-balance to the Jagans’ obsession with communism. So long as Rai was in the PPP and in the government the British were confident that Dr Jagan’s ideology would be checked. With the firing of Rai by Dr Jagan the British could not trust Jagan with independence and the USA was given the green light to remove the PPP from office.

So Dr Cheddi Jagan’s refusal to place the interest of his Indo-Guyanese supporters and that of all Guyanese above that of communism arising out of his entry into the Cold War on the side of the USSR, finally saw the USA fomenting social unrest to remove him from office.

Balram Singh Rai had formed the Justice Party (Moses Nagamooto had flirted with Rai’s JP before he settled in Jagan’s PPP) and contested the elections, but the social unrest had damaged race relations so badly that Indo and Afro-Guyanese became extremely politically polarized and they rallied around the PPP and the PNC out of fear of the other. In such a situation Balram Singh Rai stood no chance of winning votes in large numbers. Rai only won 4,000 odd votes. Interestingly, maybe Karma, in 2015 the PPP lost by 4,000 odd votes! (And Moses Nagamootoo is now PM).

In the aftermath of the 1964 elections the Jagans continued to engage in very nasty slander of Rai in order to discredit him in the Indian community. In the later 1960s Forbes Burnham on different occasions offered to make Rai a Senior Counsel, a judge, and Speaker of the House but he declined the overtures. Rai in 1970 emigrated to the UK and never returned to Guyana. He would later be denied a parliamentary pension by both PNC and PPP governments. Now that we have in President Granger a man of the same moral and religious values and integrity as Rai, maybe we will finally see Rai getting his pension, and at least the Order of Roraima.

Yours faithfully,

Malcolm Harripaul

 

Norton claims rigging of PNC elections

By admin -

 

July 3, 2009 (Guyana Chronicle)

Mars

You are buying into the coalition's propaganda because you apparently dug real deep to pull this letter out from the vault.

I had asked before: If Granger had a problem with the first list, why did he not tell the Opposition leader what his problem was...instead of letting him run around like a chicken with a head three times?

Second, you cant compare these internal elections (both parties are guilty of rigging) with a move to steal a national election through what is most likely an unconstitutional action by the President. 

Besides, this action has severe political repercussions for race relations in Guyana's national politics.

 

What nonsense are you talking about Coalition propaganda? I'm simply asking a question about the rigging of the PPP elections by the Jagans. This is an event that actually took place and I'm trying to get more info on the subject. It has nothing to do with the Coalition Government and is certainly not propaganda. Granger did give Jagdeo guidelines for nominees on the list after the first list was deemed to be unacceptable. You must have missed it but what does that have to do with the Jagans rigging elections in the 60's? I'm not by an means comparing the rigging of elections by the Jagans with the current Gecom Chairman fiasco. Where did you see me doing this?

ksazma posted:

I liked Dr and Janet Jagan. However, I do have problems with how Balram Singh Rai was treated. Rai is a bright son of Guyana, perhaps much brighter than Dr Jagan. That level of brilliance should never be allowed to go away much less to let go. Perhaps Rai would have been able to keep that madman Burnham and his mischief away from Guyanese lives. That was a huge negative for Dr Jagan.

1. Balram Singh Rai contested elections and miserably lost every one before joining the PPP headed by Cheddi Jagan.

2. When Balram Singh Rai joined the PPP, Cheddi Jagan gave up his seat for him to be the candidate and Cheddi Jagan contested in another seat.

3. This was the first time that Balram Singh Rai ever won a seat.

4. When Balram Singh Rai was in the PPP, he and Brindley Benn contested the position of Chairman of the party.

5. While indeed it was an interesting election for other party functions, Balram Singh Rai lost in the votes against Brindley Benn.

7. After Balram Singh Rai left the PPP and formed his own political group, Justice Party, he obtained about 1,300 votes in the 1964 elections.

8. About 1970 Balram Singh Rai left to live in England, UK.

Demerara_Guy posted:

1. Balram Singh Rai contested elections and miserably lost every one before joining the PPP headed by Cheddi Jagan.

2. When Balram Singh Rai joined the PPP, Cheddi Jagan gave up his seat for him to be the candidate and Cheddi Jagan contested in another seat.

3. This was the first time that Balram Singh Rai ever won a seat.

4. When Balram Singh Rai was in the PPP, he and Brindley Benn contested the position of Chairman of the party.

5. While indeed it was an interesting election for other party functions, Balram Singh Rai lost in the votes against Brindley Benn.

7. After Balram Singh Rai left the PPP and formed his own political group, Justice Party, he obtained about 1,300 votes in the 1964 elections.

8. About 1970 Balram Singh Rai left to live in England, UK.

Never hear of this balram singh, maybe he was before my time. So all along he appeared to be a loser hanging on to Cheddi's coat tail. 

Drugb posted:

Demerara_Guy posted:

1. Balram Singh Rai contested elections and miserably lost every one before joining the PPP headed by Cheddi Jagan.

2. When Balram Singh Rai joined the PPP, Cheddi Jagan gave up his seat for him to be the candidate and Cheddi Jagan contested in another seat.

3. This was the first time that Balram Singh Rai ever won a seat.

4. When Balram Singh Rai was in the PPP, he and Brindley Benn contested the position of Chairman of the party.

5. While indeed it was an interesting election for other party functions, Balram Singh Rai lost in the votes against Brindley Benn.

7. After Balram Singh Rai left the PPP and formed his own political group, Justice Party, he obtained about 1,300 votes in the 1964 elections.

8. About 1970 Balram Singh Rai left to live in England, UK.

Never hear of this balram singh, maybe he was before my time. So all along he appeared to be a loser hanging on to Cheddi's coat tail. 

Bhai,

Rai was was nothing without Jagan. He got a lil post and felt that he was leader, just like Moses.

I remember my grandfather and father telling me that Rai was very divisive and made some very racist statements in Berbice that would make anyone shiver.

Thank god that he ran away to England. He also sold out to the CIA in an attempt to topple the PPP. He is a TRAITOR and a Neemakharam like Moses.

Notice how his name is associated with Neemakharams.

yuji22 posted:

 

 

Bhai,

Rai was was nothing without Jagan. He got a lil post and felt that he was leader, just like Moses.

I remember my grandfather and father telling me that Rai was very divisive and made some very racist statements in Berbice that would make anyone shiver.

Thank god that he ran away to England. He also sold out to the CIA in an attempt to topple the PPP. He is a TRAITOR and a Neemakharam like Moses.

Notice how his name is associated with Neemakharams.

Looks like Mars has some personal connection this loser balram singh. 

Nehru posted:

Malcolm is no fifferent from theNamakaram. In fact, he is a bigger ASS KISSER, BATTY WASHER and selfish Parasite.

Looks like Malcolm is the lone AFC supporter.  I always knew there was one LOL.  Looks like the man belongs to the Namakaram  club.

yuji22 posted:

Drugb posted:

Demerara_Guy posted:

1. Balram Singh Rai contested elections and miserably lost every one before joining the PPP headed by Cheddi Jagan.

2. When Balram Singh Rai joined the PPP, Cheddi Jagan gave up his seat for him to be the candidate and Cheddi Jagan contested in another seat.

3. This was the first time that Balram Singh Rai ever won a seat.

4. When Balram Singh Rai was in the PPP, he and Brindley Benn contested the position of Chairman of the party.

5. While indeed it was an interesting election for other party functions, Balram Singh Rai lost in the votes against Brindley Benn.

7. After Balram Singh Rai left the PPP and formed his own political group, Justice Party, he obtained about 1,300 votes in the 1964 elections.

8. About 1970 Balram Singh Rai left to live in England, UK.

Never hear of this balram singh, maybe he was before my time. So all along he appeared to be a loser hanging on to Cheddi's coat tail. 

Bhai,

Rai was was nothing without Jagan. He got a lil post and felt that he was leader, just like Moses.

I remember my grandfather and father telling me that Rai was very divisive and made some very racist statements in Berbice that would make anyone shiver.

Thank god that he ran away to England. He also sold out to the CIA in an attempt to topple the PPP. He is a TRAITOR and a Neemakharam like Moses.

Notice how his name is associated with Neemakharams.

You two Rat groupies are bad-mouthing Balram Singh Rai. You know nothing about him, and haven't done any research but you're qualified to bad mouth the man simply because he had a conflict with Jagan. One of you admits your ignorance and the other confesses hearing garbage about the man from typical ignorant coolie brainwashing. What a joke.

And you have no qualms displaying your collective ignorance.

While anta opened his mouth, he failed to provide proof to dispute the facts provided by myself or DG. That proves that he lacks the ability to engage in discussions of this nature. The facts that DG and I provided cannot be disputed.

Provide facts that prove otherwise.

Rai was a traitor and on the CIA Payroll to topple the PPP.

He is in the same league of Neemakharams like Moses.

The PPP were considered commies. It is apparent Rai went against their beliefs.

Now here is what I don't understand. You here who seem to think the PPP was/is the best thing since sliced bread and soooo great, why did you guys and gyals not move to Communist countries but instead chose to reside in NA and England, aren't these the people you spoke against? Why not head for a better life in Russia,China or even Cuba?

Cain,

I do not disagree that the PPP under Jagan and Janet scared the west with their talk about communism. This cost the country because Burnham and the PNC destroyed Guyana and Jagan has to shoulder blame for it.

After 1992, there was not one ounce of communism practised by the PPP. In fact, they were as capitalist as it can get.

As for communism, it is a failed economic system.

Imagine I man driving a 1958 car like they do in Cuba, no way man. We love the west and this is our final home. No more moving anywhere.

You made some valid points that hit us real hard though.

Like that eh. Thanks for the honesty.

ksazma posted:

I liked Dr and Janet Jagan. However, I do have problems with how Balram Singh Rai was treated. Rai is a bright son of Guyana, perhaps much brighter than Dr Jagan. That level of brilliance should never be allowed to go away much less to let go. Perhaps Rai would have been able to keep that madman Burnham and his mischief away from Guyanese lives. That was a huge negative for Dr Jagan.

Kaz, it is a poor strategy to postulate after the fact about being able to control Burnham and the PNC.

This is the guy whose party was funded by the CIA. Shows where his loyalty was. 

The allegation that the JAgans fixed the elections is just an allegation and people will believe what they want to if it fits within their cognitive structure or if it fits into the argument they want to make.

the heading of this post is incorrect and the posters seems to have a poor understanding of Guyanese history. Prior to the formation of the PPP, all elections in British Guyana were rigged against the working people,Mandy continued to be rigged  until 1992.

Mars posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Mars posted:

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...-was-a-huge-blunder/

Jagan’s sacking of Rai was a huge blunder

By Staff Writer June 11, 2015  Comments

 

Dear Editor,

I observed that on June 9 the SN published a letter by Freddie Kissoon that dealt with Balram Singh Rai, and two days earlier Ralph Ramkarran also had Rai as his subject in his SN column. I write to offer my views on the ousting of Rai from the PPP by Cheddi and Janet Jagan.

I start by pointing out that Dr Baytoram Ramharack did in fact spend time interviewing Rai in London in the late 1990s when gathering material for his book, Against the Grain: Balram Singh Rai. I also spoke with Rai twice in 1998. I have since read the Indelible Red Stain by Dr Mohan Raghbeer and I also met with Dr Ragbheer in 2014. Needless to say I have met with Dr Ramharack on many occasions. I have also read Dr Cheddi Jagan’s West on Trial, many, many times as a teenager.

Following the British removal of the PPP from office in 1953, and the split of the party in 1955 along ideological lines, with Forbes Burnham and the Indian intellectuals walking away from the communist hardliners led by Janet and Cheddi Jagan, the Jagans were persuaded by Indian business and financiers to tone down the Marxist rhetoric. Dr Jagan was a bit muted in his communist utterances until 1959 when Fidel Castro seized power in Cuba.

It was a euphoric moment for Dr Jagan. All the communist propaganda that he had been brainwashed with had come true. Communism had triumphed mere miles away from the USA. From that moment on Dr Jagan truly believed that the USA would have collapsed to world communism and that determined his thinking until the fall of communist Europe and the USSR in 1989. With Dr Jagan increasing his anti-USA and pro-USSR proclamations in 1960, an alarmed Indian business class supported the pro Hindu, pro-British, pro-capitalist, and pro-democracy Balram Singh Rai to be Chairman of the PPP.

Janet and Cheddi Jagan were vehemently opposed to their Marxist-Leninist party being chaired by Rai and at the 1962 Congress of the PPP they padded the delegates list with 100 names and personally actively campaigned against Rai with nasty slander. Brindley Benn, who was Rai’s opponent, was allowed to chair the voting session of the Congress. Yet when the votes were counted Rai lost by only one vote! Rai publicly exposed the rigging. Dr Jagan asked him to retract the statements and even offered Rai an increase in salary but Rai refused to be bribed and stuck to the truth. Dr Jagan eventually had Rai removed from the government as Home Affairs Minister.

Sacking Rai was another huge blunder by Dr Jagan. Rai was a British trained lawyer who had won the confidence of the Colonial Office. The British saw Rai as a man of integrity and moral values, a believer in the British system of governance, in Western democratic values, in capitalism, and a man of religion. They saw Rai as a counter-balance to the Jagans’ obsession with communism. So long as Rai was in the PPP and in the government the British were confident that Dr Jagan’s ideology would be checked. With the firing of Rai by Dr Jagan the British could not trust Jagan with independence and the USA was given the green light to remove the PPP from office.

So Dr Cheddi Jagan’s refusal to place the interest of his Indo-Guyanese supporters and that of all Guyanese above that of communism arising out of his entry into the Cold War on the side of the USSR, finally saw the USA fomenting social unrest to remove him from office.

Balram Singh Rai had formed the Justice Party (Moses Nagamooto had flirted with Rai’s JP before he settled in Jagan’s PPP) and contested the elections, but the social unrest had damaged race relations so badly that Indo and Afro-Guyanese became extremely politically polarized and they rallied around the PPP and the PNC out of fear of the other. In such a situation Balram Singh Rai stood no chance of winning votes in large numbers. Rai only won 4,000 odd votes. Interestingly, maybe Karma, in 2015 the PPP lost by 4,000 odd votes! (And Moses Nagamootoo is now PM).

In the aftermath of the 1964 elections the Jagans continued to engage in very nasty slander of Rai in order to discredit him in the Indian community. In the later 1960s Forbes Burnham on different occasions offered to make Rai a Senior Counsel, a judge, and Speaker of the House but he declined the overtures. Rai in 1970 emigrated to the UK and never returned to Guyana. He would later be denied a parliamentary pension by both PNC and PPP governments. Now that we have in President Granger a man of the same moral and religious values and integrity as Rai, maybe we will finally see Rai getting his pension, and at least the Order of Roraima.

Yours faithfully,

Malcolm Harripaul

 

Norton claims rigging of PNC elections

By admin -

 

July 3, 2009 (Guyana Chronicle)

Mars

You are buying into the coalition's propaganda because you apparently dug real deep to pull this letter out from the vault.

I had asked before: If Granger had a problem with the first list, why did he not tell the Opposition leader what his problem was...instead of letting him run around like a chicken with a head three times?

Second, you cant compare these internal elections (both parties are guilty of rigging) with a move to steal a national election through what is most likely an unconstitutional action by the President. 

Besides, this action has severe political repercussions for race relations in Guyana's national politics.

 

What nonsense are you talking about Coalition propaganda? I'm simply asking a question about the rigging of the PPP elections by the Jagans. This is an event that actually took place and I'm trying to get more info on the subject. It has nothing to do with the Coalition Government and is certainly not propaganda. Granger did give Jagdeo guidelines for nominees on the list after the first list was deemed to be unacceptable. You must have missed it but what does that have to do with the Jagans rigging elections in the 60's? I'm not by an means comparing the rigging of elections by the Jagans with the current Gecom Chairman fiasco. Where did you see me doing this?

This is an old tactic of diverting and trying to somehow establish moral equivalency between Cheddi Jagan and Granger so as to mitigate the uproar over his action to unilaterally name a liar -Patterson to be Chairman of Gecom.

we can see through this!!

VVP posted:

Nehru posted:

Malcolm is no fifferent from theNamakaram. In fact, he is a bigger ASS KISSER, BATTY WASHER and selfish Parasite.

Looks like Malcolm is the lone AFC supporter.  I always knew there was one LOL.  Looks like the man belongs to the Namakaram  club.

Malcom is a APNU supporter. The AFC has no supporters, just party functionaries who are drinking soup as government or community functionaries.

cain posted:

The PPP were considered commies. It is apparent Rai went against their beliefs.

Now here is what I don't understand. You here who seem to think the PPP was/is the best thing since sliced bread and soooo great, why did you guys and gyals not move to Communist countries but instead chose to reside in NA and England, aren't these the people you spoke against? Why not head for a better life in Russia,China or even Cuba?

This suggestion just stuns me.

When the national literation and anti colonial struggles were going on, many of the leaders were educated in the European colonial powers or in the US. Most of them espoused a Non-Capitalist path to economic development. Cheddi Jagan was not the only one. The disparities in wealth and living conditions in these colonies drove the rationale for a radical shift. Cheddi Jagan was not a god, he was human and as all humans made mistakes. However, can compare him with the action who came after him and before him and he seems to have come out in a favourable light in the opinion of a lot of people.

Cain's suggestion mirrors the bigoted one we have been hearing lately when we criticize the PNC government, the ones when immigrants and identifiable minorities born in the us , Canada, U.K.  and other developed nations have been hearing when they criticize government policies in those countries.

antabanta posted:

You two Rat groupies are bad-mouthing Balram Singh Rai. You know nothing about him, and haven't done any research but you're qualified to bad mouth the man simply because he had a conflict with Jagan. One of you admits your ignorance and the other confesses hearing garbage about the man from typical ignorant coolie brainwashing. What a joke.

And you have no qualms displaying your collective ignorance.

Bannas,hold yuh horses. I only reacting to the esteemed DG post, he is a knowledgeable fellow. If you know otherwise about this loser, state your case.

yuji22 posted:

Rai was a traitor and on the CIA Payroll to topple the PPP.

He is in the same league of Neemakharams like Moses.

 

Looks like the CIA met their goal using the likes of Rai, moses and Ramjatttan over the decades.  The benefit of putting a mguabe style dictator like jackass Granger in power, is the CIA can fool him up with two shiny beads while they take all the oil. 

Zed posted:

Mars posted:

What nonsense are you talking about Coalition propaganda? I'm simply asking a question about the rigging of the PPP elections by the Jagans. This is an event that actually took place and I'm trying to get more info on the subject. It has nothing to do with the Coalition Government and is certainly not propaganda. Granger did give Jagdeo guidelines for nominees on the list after the first list was deemed to be unacceptable. You must have missed it but what does that have to do with the Jagans rigging elections in the 60's? I'm not by an means comparing the rigging of elections by the Jagans with the current Gecom Chairman fiasco. Where did you see me doing this?

This is an old tactic of diverting and trying to somehow establish moral equivalency between Cheddi Jagan and Granger so as to mitigate the uproar over his action to unilaterally name a liar -Patterson to be Chairman of Gecom.

we can see through this!!

 

 

 

Oh Please! Ress yuh ole self. So any thread someone opens now is to divert from the Gecom fiasco? What does Cheddi's actions in the 60's have to do with Granger now? Y'all just can't handle any suggestions that your gods were not so perfect after all. As much as Rai was being funded by the CIA, Jagan was being funded by the Russians but we'd never hear you clowns mention this. It was a power play between the major superpowers and Cheddi was the Loser along with his supporters.

Tell them Mars,some thinks they speaking to lil children.

Your reply make me laugh, so who is the clown? 

My responsecstill stands and your comments just justify my contention.

Zed posted:

Your reply make me laugh, so who is the clown? 

My responsecstill stands and your comments just justify my contention.

You were probably having a look in the mirror, Clown.

Cobra started a thread about PNC rigging by posting an article from 2015 - https://guyana.crowdstack.io/topic/un...ns-rigging-under-pnc . On the same thread I asked the question about Rai being cheated out of the PPP leadership. I decided to start my own thread on the subject of alleged elections rigging by the PPP. It was a conversation about rigging elections and nothing to do with the current Gecom fiasco but you can continue to wallow in your own stupidity if you must.

This is not a joking matter. The people of Guyana were the losers because they got 28 years of dictatorship by Burnham and the PNC  in Guyana, economic ruin, decay of the social and physical infrastructure, massive foreign debt  that we have not recovered from these conditions caused by the CIA, and the PNC dictatorship. They also got racial violence in the 1960's when many Guyanese died or were displaced and increased racial division since then. 

please reread what I said about Jagan or get someone to explain it to you. 

You are now calling names and trying to rationalize you action. We all know that you have been around a long time so would know about this issue which has been raised on this forum. I have only been in this forum a short time and can remember it being brought up at least twice.  Do not make me laugh.

Zed posted:

This is not a joking matter. The people of Guyana were the losers because they got 28 years of dictatorship by Burnham and the PNC  in Guyana, economic ruin, decay of the social and physical infrastructure, massive foreign debt  that we have not recovered from these conditions caused by the CIA, and the PNC dictatorship. They also got racial violence in the 1960's when many Guyanese died or were displaced and increased racial division since then. 

please reread what I said about Jagan or get someone to explain it to you. 

Jagan was complicit in all that happened. He was no innocent bystander. He was trying to hand over British Guiana to Russia right in America's backyard and just after the Cuba fiasco. He got precisely what he deserved given the prevailing Cold War conditions between the two superpowers. 

The pursuit of Communism and its nationalization policies were the catalysts for the destruction of Guyana's economy, not the CIA. It would have been no different with Cheddi, who was further left than Burnham, at the helm. It would have probably happened sooner if the PPP were in power since the UF provided a buffer in the early years of Burnham to prevent the curse of Communism and Nationalization. Once the UF were out of the Government, the Communist forces in the PNC and PPP brokered a deal with their Soviet masters via Cuba to nationalize the economy which led to its eventual implosion. Cheddi the Commie, joined hands with Burnham the Dictator in Critical Support and rejoiced after throwing out the foreign investors and taking control of their assets. He jumped up in Parliament and voted a resounding yes for nationalization. This was just a couple of years after Burnham had rigged the 73 elections. After nationalization, FDI dried up and there was no investment of capital in the country for the fear of the government seizing assets from investors. We also lost the significant transfer of technological know how from people who were professionals in the nationalized industries. At the same time many local businessmen packed up and left Guyana for North America, withdrawing a massive amount of investment capital from the economy. The PPP are just as responsible for the demise of the Guyana economy as the PNC. A useless set of Commie Clowns who had no idea of running the economy. One only has to look at the distance that T&T and Barbados put on us to realize that the pursuit of communism by these fools is what doomed Guyana to the poor house.

Zed posted:

You are now calling names and trying to rationalize you action. We all know that you have been around a long time so would know about this issue which has been raised on this forum. I have only been in this forum a short time and can remember it being brought up at least twice.  Do not make me laugh.

So I guess no one should bring up rigging by Burnham because it's already been discussed a zillion times? 

Rai was never cheated out of anything.  He chose the CIA paycheck which he is still living on happily ever after in his schmancy apt in London.  Ask yourself why a man of such caliber ran away like a mouse.  Never to be heard from ever again.

The next PNC residential candidate for 2020.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Rai was never cheated out of anything.  He chose the CIA paycheck which he is still living on happily ever after in his schmancy apt in London.  Ask yourself why a man of such caliber ran away like a mouse.  Never to be heard from ever again.

The man chose money before morals. He sold his people out. He was also power hungry. I remembered that he was bitter after Brindley Benn was elected. Remember the word "Rajput"? Rai was labeled Rajput, not sure if by himself or someone else. Maybe Gilly can recall this.